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Northern Ireland24270 Posts
On August 02 2019 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 06:44 GGzerG wrote:On August 02 2019 06:02 GTR wrote:On August 02 2019 05:25 Muliphein wrote:
Yeah, all we knew about Flash back then is that he cheesed several big name players, beating them. I also distinctly remember watch Klazart cast that Flash vs Bisu game on Monty Hall.
I think only after Flash beat Boxer on Python in a longer game people started to respect Flash. And then he was suddenly there, as if he always had been a good player.
Jaedong' rise was a lot more gradual. wtf are you on about, boxer beat flash. I remember that day like it was yesterday - boxer did same insane bio timing vs nal_ra on nemesis (which was by far a P favoured map) and then came back for the ace match to save the day for ace. flash began to gain wide respect when he figured out how to beat storks carrier build by optimising oov's 2-1 timing push to the thinnest of margins. Any chance you can find this VOD ? youtu.beCasted by the legendary Klazart
Great casting, guys had to work that much harder to fill in the viewer who isn’t super au fait with Brood War, and this one is a fantastic example of a good job in that sense.
Watched quite a few VoDs over the years with Klazart casting, does he ever do any of it any more? Guy was bloody good at it
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On August 01 2019 13:28 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 13:50 GTR wrote:
For as good flash was rated at the time, iirc he didn't pass courage until his third or fourth time so yeah. I thought Flash had a deal with his mom that he would get a pro-license within 3 months (and win a SL a year after), otherwise he would quit. I seem to recall hearing Flash got a license within a month.. if true, I'm assuming that means he passed courage on his first try.
There is an old Jangbi interview where he says that he beat Flash in a Courage tournament.
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/249746-interview-jin-air-osl-ro16-tiebreakers-winner
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On August 03 2019 07:20 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2019 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On August 02 2019 06:44 GGzerG wrote:On August 02 2019 06:02 GTR wrote:On August 02 2019 05:25 Muliphein wrote:
Yeah, all we knew about Flash back then is that he cheesed several big name players, beating them. I also distinctly remember watch Klazart cast that Flash vs Bisu game on Monty Hall.
I think only after Flash beat Boxer on Python in a longer game people started to respect Flash. And then he was suddenly there, as if he always had been a good player.
Jaedong' rise was a lot more gradual. wtf are you on about, boxer beat flash. I remember that day like it was yesterday - boxer did same insane bio timing vs nal_ra on nemesis (which was by far a P favoured map) and then came back for the ace match to save the day for ace. flash began to gain wide respect when he figured out how to beat storks carrier build by optimising oov's 2-1 timing push to the thinnest of margins. Any chance you can find this VOD ? youtu.beCasted by the legendary Klazart Great casting, guys had to work that much harder to fill in the viewer who isn’t super au fait with Brood War, and this one is a fantastic example of a good job in that sense. Watched quite a few VoDs over the years with Klazart casting, does he ever do any of it any more? Guy was bloody good at it
It has been at least a decade since he has done it, from what I recall. Part of the reason is because, in my humble opinion, as you pointed out - he catered to the casual viewer decently well, but the issue was that his knowledge of the game was at a very low level so he often made mistakes and this attracted the ire of many veterans in the scene. This goes beyond whether people liked his voice or liked his "style" of commentary - he was just straight up wrong sometimes, and disseminating that kind of knowledge prolifically without recourse may have a net negative effect on the foreign BW audience.
If I recall correctly, the above was just one of the factors that contributed to his leaving. The other was the fact that he wanted to become a serious author, and when he published his works on an online writing space that was supposedly reviewed critically by publishers, his endeavors led to not only hilarity but also extremely limited success following his crowd-sourcing of interest. This is, again, just based on my vague recollections from ten years ago so hopefully someone else can either back me up or correct me. Either way, the result was that Klazart neither had the time nor interest to continue pursuing BW commentary, apparently.
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Northern Ireland24270 Posts
On August 03 2019 10:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2019 07:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On August 02 2019 06:44 GGzerG wrote:On August 02 2019 06:02 GTR wrote:On August 02 2019 05:25 Muliphein wrote:
Yeah, all we knew about Flash back then is that he cheesed several big name players, beating them. I also distinctly remember watch Klazart cast that Flash vs Bisu game on Monty Hall.
I think only after Flash beat Boxer on Python in a longer game people started to respect Flash. And then he was suddenly there, as if he always had been a good player.
Jaedong' rise was a lot more gradual. wtf are you on about, boxer beat flash. I remember that day like it was yesterday - boxer did same insane bio timing vs nal_ra on nemesis (which was by far a P favoured map) and then came back for the ace match to save the day for ace. flash began to gain wide respect when he figured out how to beat storks carrier build by optimising oov's 2-1 timing push to the thinnest of margins. Any chance you can find this VOD ? youtu.beCasted by the legendary Klazart Great casting, guys had to work that much harder to fill in the viewer who isn’t super au fait with Brood War, and this one is a fantastic example of a good job in that sense. Watched quite a few VoDs over the years with Klazart casting, does he ever do any of it any more? Guy was bloody good at it It has been at least a decade since he has done it, from what I recall. Part of the reason is because, in my humble opinion, as you pointed out - he catered to the casual viewer decently well, but the issue was that his knowledge of the game was at a very low level so he often made mistakes and this attracted the ire of many veterans in the scene. This goes beyond whether people liked his voice or liked his "style" of commentary - he was just straight up wrong sometimes, and disseminating that kind of knowledge prolifically without recourse may have a net negative effect on the foreign BW audience. If I recall correctly, the above was just one of the factors that contributed to his leaving. The other was the fact that he wanted to become a serious author, and when he published his works on an online writing space that was supposedly reviewed critically by publishers, his endeavors led to not only hilarity but also extremely limited success following his crowd-sourcing of interest. This is, again, just based on my vague recollections from ten years ago so hopefully someone else can either back me up or correct me. Either way, the result was that Klazart neither had the time nor interest to continue pursuing BW commentary, apparently.
The community being critical of casters? :O I can’t believe this!
Such a different era though, always saddens me that I missed it and am discovering it going backwards. I played BW for fun casually when I was 9/10, most of my friends didn’t play PC games and I moved on before stumbling across TL and the community
Frustrating because I think BW is just the best game out there for all sorts of reasons and I’d love to have been playing these last 18 years and it’s bloody hard to catch up when you’re nearing your 30s
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On August 03 2019 10:23 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2019 10:13 Jealous wrote:On August 03 2019 07:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On August 02 2019 06:44 GGzerG wrote:On August 02 2019 06:02 GTR wrote:On August 02 2019 05:25 Muliphein wrote:
Yeah, all we knew about Flash back then is that he cheesed several big name players, beating them. I also distinctly remember watch Klazart cast that Flash vs Bisu game on Monty Hall.
I think only after Flash beat Boxer on Python in a longer game people started to respect Flash. And then he was suddenly there, as if he always had been a good player.
Jaedong' rise was a lot more gradual. wtf are you on about, boxer beat flash. I remember that day like it was yesterday - boxer did same insane bio timing vs nal_ra on nemesis (which was by far a P favoured map) and then came back for the ace match to save the day for ace. flash began to gain wide respect when he figured out how to beat storks carrier build by optimising oov's 2-1 timing push to the thinnest of margins. Any chance you can find this VOD ? youtu.beCasted by the legendary Klazart Great casting, guys had to work that much harder to fill in the viewer who isn’t super au fait with Brood War, and this one is a fantastic example of a good job in that sense. Watched quite a few VoDs over the years with Klazart casting, does he ever do any of it any more? Guy was bloody good at it It has been at least a decade since he has done it, from what I recall. Part of the reason is because, in my humble opinion, as you pointed out - he catered to the casual viewer decently well, but the issue was that his knowledge of the game was at a very low level so he often made mistakes and this attracted the ire of many veterans in the scene. This goes beyond whether people liked his voice or liked his "style" of commentary - he was just straight up wrong sometimes, and disseminating that kind of knowledge prolifically without recourse may have a net negative effect on the foreign BW audience. If I recall correctly, the above was just one of the factors that contributed to his leaving. The other was the fact that he wanted to become a serious author, and when he published his works on an online writing space that was supposedly reviewed critically by publishers, his endeavors led to not only hilarity but also extremely limited success following his crowd-sourcing of interest. This is, again, just based on my vague recollections from ten years ago so hopefully someone else can either back me up or correct me. Either way, the result was that Klazart neither had the time nor interest to continue pursuing BW commentary, apparently. The community being critical of casters? :O I can’t believe this! Such a different era though, always saddens me that I missed it and am discovering it going backwards. I played BW for fun casually when I was 9/10, most of my friends didn’t play PC games and I moved on before stumbling across TL and the community Frustrating because I think BW is just the best game out there for all sorts of reasons and I’d love to have been playing these last 18 years and it’s bloody hard to catch up when you’re nearing your 30s
I feel you bruv, I definitely feel both cursed and blessed to have gone through the past ~15 years of BW's history. I don't want to sound preachy but at the end of the day, if you appreciate the beauty of the game and have fun with it, it shouldn't matter what you missed out on. I doubt very many chess or go players seriously lament the fact that they weren't alive, much less present, in the era of so-and-so grand master. The experience is what you make of it, and as the proverb goes, "The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second-best time is now." So, if you are following, enjoying, improving in, or just casually participating in the community of Brood War now, then I don't think you should feel bad about missing out. The VODs are largely still there because this was still the first premier eSport, the community of veterans is still here to talk about "back in my day before kids ran on my lawn spouting all this nonsense about FlaShes and Fantasies," so on and so forth.
In short, it's not a bad time to be in Brood War. I don't think there is ever such a time.
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Northern Ireland24270 Posts
On August 03 2019 10:29 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2019 10:23 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 03 2019 10:13 Jealous wrote:On August 03 2019 07:20 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 02 2019 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:On August 02 2019 06:44 GGzerG wrote:On August 02 2019 06:02 GTR wrote:On August 02 2019 05:25 Muliphein wrote:
Yeah, all we knew about Flash back then is that he cheesed several big name players, beating them. I also distinctly remember watch Klazart cast that Flash vs Bisu game on Monty Hall.
I think only after Flash beat Boxer on Python in a longer game people started to respect Flash. And then he was suddenly there, as if he always had been a good player.
Jaedong' rise was a lot more gradual. wtf are you on about, boxer beat flash. I remember that day like it was yesterday - boxer did same insane bio timing vs nal_ra on nemesis (which was by far a P favoured map) and then came back for the ace match to save the day for ace. flash began to gain wide respect when he figured out how to beat storks carrier build by optimising oov's 2-1 timing push to the thinnest of margins. Any chance you can find this VOD ? youtu.beCasted by the legendary Klazart Great casting, guys had to work that much harder to fill in the viewer who isn’t super au fait with Brood War, and this one is a fantastic example of a good job in that sense. Watched quite a few VoDs over the years with Klazart casting, does he ever do any of it any more? Guy was bloody good at it It has been at least a decade since he has done it, from what I recall. Part of the reason is because, in my humble opinion, as you pointed out - he catered to the casual viewer decently well, but the issue was that his knowledge of the game was at a very low level so he often made mistakes and this attracted the ire of many veterans in the scene. This goes beyond whether people liked his voice or liked his "style" of commentary - he was just straight up wrong sometimes, and disseminating that kind of knowledge prolifically without recourse may have a net negative effect on the foreign BW audience. If I recall correctly, the above was just one of the factors that contributed to his leaving. The other was the fact that he wanted to become a serious author, and when he published his works on an online writing space that was supposedly reviewed critically by publishers, his endeavors led to not only hilarity but also extremely limited success following his crowd-sourcing of interest. This is, again, just based on my vague recollections from ten years ago so hopefully someone else can either back me up or correct me. Either way, the result was that Klazart neither had the time nor interest to continue pursuing BW commentary, apparently. The community being critical of casters? :O I can’t believe this! Such a different era though, always saddens me that I missed it and am discovering it going backwards. I played BW for fun casually when I was 9/10, most of my friends didn’t play PC games and I moved on before stumbling across TL and the community Frustrating because I think BW is just the best game out there for all sorts of reasons and I’d love to have been playing these last 18 years and it’s bloody hard to catch up when you’re nearing your 30s I feel you bruv, I definitely feel both cursed and blessed to have gone through the past ~15 years of BW's history. I don't want to sound preachy but at the end of the day, if you appreciate the beauty of the game and have fun with it, it shouldn't matter what you missed out on. I doubt very many chess or go players seriously lament the fact that they weren't alive, much less present, in the era of so-and-so grand master. The experience is what you make of it, and as the proverb goes, "The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second-best time is now." So, if you are following, enjoying, improving in, or just casually participating in the community of Brood War now, then I don't think you should feel bad about missing out. The VODs are largely still there because this was still the first premier eSport, the community of veterans is still here to talk about "back in my day before kids ran on my lawn spouting all this nonsense about FlaShes and Fantasies," so on and so forth. In short, it's not a bad time to be in Brood War. I don't think there is ever such a time.
It’s more a life thing, at near 30 and with a youngling I can’t grind out games like in my youth, whereas if I’d known about all this I definitely would have.
The scene is currently great as far as I can tell but my ability to partake in it isn’t what it once would have been, I still plan to give it a decent shot though
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On August 01 2019 13:50 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2019 13:31 Antisocialmunky wrote:On August 01 2019 09:12 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:This is gold. Flash is really like an anime/manga. I remember old boy episode where they revealed Flash's practice nickname is Kira. And those interviews where JD recounted how he first heard about Flash after a teammate lost to him in OSL prelims.. and then that time where Flash recalled a time when he was still an amateur and Bisu destroyed him in a practice session, so he had to start working harder.. On July 30 2019 16:20 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I remember at the height of Flash's dominance, some of the players in KT said they couldn't remember how to win after practicing with Flash. Kinda explained all the Flash reverse all kills during the 'Child Labor Terran' era. Haha, I think that's Hoejja: "If you play 10 games in a day with Flash, you forget how to win a game. You forget how to win! He's that good." And there's the classic from Violet: "After I practiced with Flash, I slumped for around a month." Its kind of funny, Bisu beat Savior and Flash. Savior that nearly destroyed Broodwar as he sank into total apathy while Flash used it to become the next Bonjwa. Bisu kill one bonjwa and created another. No one calls Flash a bonjwa. He is just God. The bonjwa line and discussion ended with Savior, or perhaps more accurately with the failure of Bisu to continue it, and the duality between Jaedong and Flash thereafter.
Good job helping spreading the Truth, if not, people may gona think He is just another bonjwa. Silly, right?
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Wow I always root against Flash because he's so fucking good, but you gotta appreciate these things...he's such a fucking monster.
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This was a good bump imo. I had missed this. Watched it all. NalrA is a good storyteller. Chop chop chop they all went down.
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