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On July 30 2019 13:02 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 12:30 Highgamer wrote:On July 30 2019 12:04 Ideas wrote:
Damn were any other pros just instant fire like flash was? I guess oov right? JD/Stork/Bisu all took a while before they hit their strides IIRC. Not really sure about the earlier eras though. Really makes you wonder how the hell Flash became that good before he joined KT, apart from genuine talent. Of course thousands of hours of practice, his mechanics were praised to be insane from the beginning of his career. But how did he develop that understanding of the game that is just one level above everyone else? As a middle schooler or even earlier. I think, in an interview he said that he was crazy about BW as a kid, thinking about it all day, in school, in the shower, before sleep or s.th. like that. Not just "thinking about", but pondering about every possibility, strategy, counter etc. But I assume he must have also had just the right environement around him, online and irl (friends, PC-bangs), at the time or shortly after he stumbled across the game. Before joining a sponsored team [liquidpedia says "Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007"] he was in By-clan, wasn't he, on Fish or where they played at the time? Thus his aka by.Flash. I think I read somewhere that that clan was know for collecting talent and breeding monstrous rookies at some point - but maybe that is mainly because it brought forth Flash (?). I belive korean clans did a lot to help these aspiring progamers For example, Lee young-ho(FlaSh) was originally in FlaSh clan and went with name www[FlaSh], but the clan leader disbanded and transferred FlaSh to by. clan (that focused more on transitioning gamers to pro-level) to try to help Lee to take the next step to being progamer as the clan leader felt Lee outgrew the clan. FlaSh relunctantly went to by clan but instead took on the username of "FlaSh" to honor the old clan name that became defunct for him to become by.FlaSh, and rest is history Idk the details since i only really began to play 1v1 bw after starcraft remastered and only watched little bit when younger
A ton of top pros from the late kespa era came from the by. clan (just search for "by" in TLPD or liquipedia and see all the names that come up haha): flash, fantasy, hero, snow, hydra, shuttle, movie, rain, etc .
by. was definitely probably the best clan, at least in terms of recruiting players that became pros that still use that clan tag from time to time haha. [gm] seems like the only one that comes close (stork, savior, iris, free) that I can think of but not so many relevant players in the late era. I'm sure there are a ton of great clans from the earlier eras that I can't think of though. clans like [shield] , n_die, inter, and SiZ) also had a couple big names I remember but nowhere near as many top players (or at least proleague A-team regulars) as by. IIRC.
edit - also didn't know that about flash's name. thanks for sharing!!
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On July 30 2019 08:20 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 07:54 jinjin5000 wrote:On July 30 2019 07:32 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
Lol thanks for the translation. It's crazy how in a lot of things the greatest are really insanely skilled from a young age.
I don't remember there being much hype behind Flash before he debuted on tv though? Maybe they kept this under wraps to not embarrass the team? What time period would this have been like late 2006 or early 2007? I remember he started out in tv matches something like 16-2 in proleague/starleague qualifiers only losing to bonjwa Savior and then a game to Boxer.
I can't remember the story behind Flash transfer from Pantech -> KTF but I don't remember it being a big deal. I guess Pantech didn't see his potential and let him go for cheap I believe he was highly regarded even before whole kt and he was offered contract much better than regular recruit would get Ah ok. That would make sense if Nal ra was in the right ballpark regarding his salary as a recruit since normally recruits would not be paid anything close to 50k. I just don't remember hearing anything before he was already playing on TV but could just be the foreigners weren't as in the loop with up and coming players. Then I'm just left wondering why Pantech let him go
Just speculation here, but Pantech were looking of a way out of BW so they probably didn't want to invest in keeping flash, so kt decided to buy him out from them.
Also, they had acquired baby/ty at the time so I think they saw more potential in him than flash.
For as good flash was rated at the time, iirc he didn't pass courage until his third or fourth time so yeah.
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On July 30 2019 13:02 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 12:30 Highgamer wrote:On July 30 2019 12:04 Ideas wrote:
Damn were any other pros just instant fire like flash was? I guess oov right? JD/Stork/Bisu all took a while before they hit their strides IIRC. Not really sure about the earlier eras though. Really makes you wonder how the hell Flash became that good before he joined KT, apart from genuine talent. Of course thousands of hours of practice, his mechanics were praised to be insane from the beginning of his career. But how did he develop that understanding of the game that is just one level above everyone else? As a middle schooler or even earlier. I think, in an interview he said that he was crazy about BW as a kid, thinking about it all day, in school, in the shower, before sleep or s.th. like that. Not just "thinking about", but pondering about every possibility, strategy, counter etc. But I assume he must have also had just the right environement around him, online and irl (friends, PC-bangs), at the time or shortly after he stumbled across the game. Before joining a sponsored team [liquidpedia says "Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007"] he was in By-clan, wasn't he, on Fish or where they played at the time? Thus his aka by.Flash. I think I read somewhere that that clan was know for collecting talent and breeding monstrous rookies at some point - but maybe that is mainly because it brought forth Flash (?). I belive korean clans did a lot to help these aspiring progamers For example, Lee young-ho(FlaSh) was originally in FlaSh clan and went with name www[FlaSh], but the clan leader disbanded and transferred FlaSh to by. clan (that focused more on transitioning gamers to pro-level) to try to help Lee to take the next step to being progamer as the clan leader felt Lee outgrew the clan. FlaSh relunctantly went to by clan but instead took on the username of "FlaSh" to honor the old clan name that became defunct for him to become by.FlaSh, and rest is history Idk the details since i only really began to play 1v1 bw after starcraft remastered and only watched little bit when younger
thx a lot for sharing these infos. I always found this kind of respectful that Flash and others stuck with the by.-tag to honor what was given to them (plus some pride and showing off mb, :p), and learning that he did that even prior by sticking with "FlaSh", making it his nickname even, really seems to fit with the good sides of korean humbleness.
I wonder who that clan-leader was... or who exactly on by.-clan recruited/trained/guided the players, if pushing them to pro-level was a dedicated goal of that clan - and they seamingly had a good method to do it. Must've been iloveoov-esque brilliant coaches (edit: well mb oov was more of a strategy-inventor for already well-rounded players, dunno).
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is there any stories on flash about his amateur days and how and with whom he practiced with to get to THAT level?
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I remember at the height of Flash's dominance, some of the players in KT said they couldn't remember how to win after practicing with Flash. Kinda explained all the Flash reverse all kills during the 'Child Labor Terran' era.
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I love Kang Min, thanks for the translation jinjin!
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hah, thats mad
hope one day well get to see another age with pro teams and storylines as remarkable as this one
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loving these vids jinjin, thank you!
Mind blowing how much info so many fans of starcraft that have been with the game for decades have been missing..
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" *tak tak tak* like slicing vegetables " what a boss
On July 30 2019 13:02 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 12:30 Highgamer wrote:On July 30 2019 12:04 Ideas wrote:
Damn were any other pros just instant fire like flash was? I guess oov right? JD/Stork/Bisu all took a while before they hit their strides IIRC. Not really sure about the earlier eras though. Really makes you wonder how the hell Flash became that good before he joined KT, apart from genuine talent. Of course thousands of hours of practice, his mechanics were praised to be insane from the beginning of his career. But how did he develop that understanding of the game that is just one level above everyone else? As a middle schooler or even earlier. I think, in an interview he said that he was crazy about BW as a kid, thinking about it all day, in school, in the shower, before sleep or s.th. like that. Not just "thinking about", but pondering about every possibility, strategy, counter etc. But I assume he must have also had just the right environement around him, online and irl (friends, PC-bangs), at the time or shortly after he stumbled across the game. Before joining a sponsored team [liquidpedia says "Drafted by Pantech and Curitel in 2007"] he was in By-clan, wasn't he, on Fish or where they played at the time? Thus his aka by.Flash. I think I read somewhere that that clan was know for collecting talent and breeding monstrous rookies at some point - but maybe that is mainly because it brought forth Flash (?). I belive korean clans did a lot to help these aspiring progamers For example, Lee young-ho(FlaSh) was originally in FlaSh clan and went with name www[FlaSh], but the clan leader disbanded and transferred FlaSh to by. clan (that focused more on transitioning gamers to pro-level) to try to help Lee to take the next step to being progamer as the clan leader felt Lee outgrew the clan. FlaSh relunctantly went to by clan but instead took on the username of "FlaSh" to honor the old clan name that became defunct for him to become by.FlaSh, and rest is history Idk the details since i only really began to play 1v1 bw after starcraft remastered and only watched little bit when younger
wow what a story, thanks!
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We need Letmelose's insight on this
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Northern Ireland24270 Posts
There are so many great stories around this legendary game. Keep them coming, such translations are invaluable for us plebs who can’t speak Korean, plus they really help get to know the personalities of all these players.
This kind of flavour, it being the first real eSport, a complicated game of strategy, lots of engaging personalities who can tell a good anecdote, a rather large scandal. The foreign/Korean divide
I see well made professional documentaries on more niche subjects than BW, with a fraction of the additional angles and elements it has.
Hopefully one day someone can make a real solid multi-part history of Brood War documentary.
I reckon we could do a decent job making something as a series as a community, but a real pro job has access to all sorts of footage we’d struggle to obtain, can do interviews more easily etc.
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LOL. The "ah I'm fucked" line had me cracking up man. lol good shit! Thanks jin jin
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This was a great video, its fuckin crazy how this motherfucker walked in at 12 years old and beat everyone else.
on a side note, holy shit flash is still only 27 years old
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Thanks for the translations! Very appreciated!
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This is gold.
Flash is really like an anime/manga.
I remember old boy episode where they revealed Flash's practice nickname is Kira.
And those interviews where JD recounted how he first heard about Flash after a teammate lost to him in OSL prelims.. and then that time where Flash recalled a time when he was still an amateur and Bisu destroyed him in a practice session, so he had to start working harder..
On July 30 2019 16:20 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I remember at the height of Flash's dominance, some of the players in KT said they couldn't remember how to win after practicing with Flash. Kinda explained all the Flash reverse all kills during the 'Child Labor Terran' era.
Haha, I think that's Hoejja: "If you play 10 games in a day with Flash, you forget how to win a game. You forget how to win! He's that good."
And there's the classic from Violet: "After I practiced with Flash, I slumped for around a month."
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Jinjin you're a legend. Thank you!
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On July 30 2019 13:50 GTR wrote:
For as good flash was rated at the time, iirc he didn't pass courage until his third or fourth time so yeah.
I thought Flash had a deal with his mom that he would get a pro-license within 3 months (and win a SL a year after), otherwise he would quit. I seem to recall hearing Flash got a license within a month.. if true, I'm assuming that means he passed courage on his first try.
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On August 01 2019 09:12 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:This is gold. Flash is really like an anime/manga. I remember old boy episode where they revealed Flash's practice nickname is Kira. And those interviews where JD recounted how he first heard about Flash after a teammate lost to him in OSL prelims.. and then that time where Flash recalled a time when he was still an amateur and Bisu destroyed him in a practice session, so he had to start working harder.. Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 16:20 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I remember at the height of Flash's dominance, some of the players in KT said they couldn't remember how to win after practicing with Flash. Kinda explained all the Flash reverse all kills during the 'Child Labor Terran' era. Haha, I think that's Hoejja: "If you play 10 games in a day with Flash, you forget how to win a game. You forget how to win! He's that good." And there's the classic from Violet: "After I practiced with Flash, I slumped for around a month."
Its kind of funny, Bisu beat Savior and Flash. Savior that nearly destroyed Broodwar as he sank into total apathy while Flash used it to become the next Bonjwa.
Bisu kill one bonjwa and created another.
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