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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-27 18:31:47
July 27 2019 17:55 GMT
#1
Hello TL, after 5-6 months of not playing & moving around, I came back to Brood War on a completely new setup, there is nothing really I can do about the new Desk / Chair that I have to get used to, but this basic Lenovo mouse / Keyboard is just not cutting it.

I was wondering if anyone knew specifically what mouse / keyboard that most pro's are using in the ASL / KSL games, and or if anyone had any specific suggestions on what is good now a days & easy to adjust to.

https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/6632-what-is-best-mouse-iyo-for-broodwar

I found this old thread, and many people seem to enjoy the MX300, the keyboard isn't as difficult obviously, I am so used to mechanical keyboards that I will most likely just get another Corsair, def. not a Razer keyboard...although I really like the Razer Abyssus mouse for BW, it is cheap / made for RTS (they say) / and only has the regular left / right click, simple.

Any feedback is appreciated, thanks boys & girls.

EDIT : Keyboard I'd like to get is qsen dt-35 (I forgot about this Keyboard, but Bonyth said this is what he uses, I trust his Protoss judgement) , it seems popular, going to see if there are any retailers here in SoCal near me that carry it.

EDIT 2 : Looks like you have to order the QSEN DT-35 gaming keyboard online, it is on Amazon which is cool, this is the one I found if anyone else is interested, I would like to try a new mouse, I have tried many Razer mice, Steel series, logitech, and more...The best mouse i've used is the Abyssus, although I'd like to experiment with something new.

https://www.amazon.com/QSENN-SEM-DT55-Aluminium-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B01IA9TCGU/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?keywords=qsen dt-35&qid=1564252072&s=gateway&sr=8-2-fkmr1

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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-06 18:30:03
July 27 2019 21:10 GMT
#2
If you want quality gear for BW get a Plum 84 (there's different variations of Plum, Plum 84 has f keys on top of the num keys). It's a hybrid board (half mechanical/half rubber dome) so the keys feel really good to press and cycle through.

Abyssus is a fine mouse for BW if you like the shape/size, there's newer versions of it out. An alternative would be the Logitech G203/102 or Cooler Master MM710 (still not out but it's gonna be great for BW).

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Prodigy-Wired-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B01M26YUKO/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3QZA0BH0WMOVS&keywords=logitech g203&qid=1564261740&s=gateway&sprefix=logitech g203,aps,145&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T4VW9WP/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
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SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-27 21:44:07
July 27 2019 21:37 GMT
#3
I'm using a Final Mouse Air58 (also Razer DeathAdder has always suited me well too) and keyboard 'was' a Kira Mechanical (Kira keyboard) ... lately, I've gone back to a Razer (Razer keyboard) keyboard which I find more comfortable for my wrist. Likely, any keyboard enthusiast would argue the Kira is superior, but comfort is comfort, just like a very light mouse <60g in weight with a good cable (paracord) is also "better" ... but still, I find myself going back to the heavier Razer DeathAdder purely for comfort.

Find your own individual comfort and you'll be better off than gunning for just the 'fancy' things. Good luck.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-27 23:07:00
July 27 2019 23:05 GMT
#4
that's not the dt35 that the pros used to use (lol aluminum body)

this is the right one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009T6FD1W/
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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 00:42:24
July 28 2019 00:39 GMT
#5
Googled and found this list from 2017 (in Korean).

Some examples:
God: DT-35, Zowie Mico
Bisu: DT-35, Logitec Mini Optical + G303 custom mouse
JD: DT-35, fk mini 2

Overall DT-35 and Logitec Mini Optical are the ones used by most.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
July 28 2019 02:27 GMT
#6
I always knew DT-35 is a StarCraft keyboard, all pros on KeSPA played with that but still wonder if it's better than mechanical? Wonder the reason why pros stick with it: just because they used to -OR- membrane is better than mechanical for SC1.
sunbeams are never made like me...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 04:55:01
July 28 2019 04:50 GMT
#7
Awesome, thank you all very much for your really detailed responses, learning how to play on a new setup is like learning how to walk again, although it can be really fun. I'm excited to try the DT-35 for the first time and one of these new mice, thanks again!

EDIT : TT1 I think that Plum keyboard is awesome, I have never used the F keys ever, this would be a good opportunity to use them... I have pretty small hands lol... and that honey comb mouse looks great, how does it compare to the abyssus in terms of weight / accuracy?

@SuGo what is the difference between the two abyssus?

@GTR thanks I wasn't sure, that one just looked a little fancier =P

@outscar yes I have heard of the DT35 alot over my years of BW, but I guess I never really took a change of keyboard too seriously, as I always had a mechanical keyboard, and I felt like the mouse was a little more important to me for control / micro / apm, as I can usually adjust to a keyboard alot easier.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 28 2019 05:08 GMT
#8
On July 28 2019 11:27 outscar wrote:
I always knew DT-35 is a StarCraft keyboard, all pros on KeSPA played with that but still wonder if it's better than mechanical? Wonder the reason why pros stick with it: just because they used to -OR- membrane is better than mechanical for SC1.


in some ways the higher restoration force on the keys is a benefit. The small key spacing helps with smaller hands.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden531 Posts
July 28 2019 05:28 GMT
#9
I've always used 10$ equipment to play. Is there a large difference with a more expensive mouse and keyboard?
-Debaser-
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
July 28 2019 05:35 GMT
#10
On July 28 2019 14:28 A.Alm wrote:
I've always used 10$ equipment to play. Is there a large difference with a more expensive mouse and keyboard?


Honestly only with the mouse, will have a better sensor without accel/decel and better accuracy probably.

Keyboard mainly for feel, mechanical keyboards have never made me play or feel better at the game or typing.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
July 28 2019 07:30 GMT
#11
I use the Razer Abyssus and a QSENN, been liking this combo for a while
Mine gas, build tanks.
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 09:39:04
July 28 2019 09:38 GMT
#12
On July 28 2019 11:27 outscar wrote:
I always knew DT-35 is a StarCraft keyboard, all pros on KeSPA played with that but still wonder if it's better than mechanical? Wonder the reason why pros stick with it: just because they used to -OR- membrane is better than mechanical for SC1.


There's not that many players except flash, bisu and jaedong who still use DT-35.
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 28 2019 13:12 GMT
#13
Scan: RealForce R2 TLSA / FKmini2
eOnzErG: HyperX brand keyboard red switch full keys / some logitech mouse

we both used DT35 before(eOn used it like last year, but threw away after couple months) and last time I used DT35 was 2015.

EDIT : Keyboard I'd like to get is qsen dt-35 (I forgot about this Keyboard, but Bonyth said this is what he uses, I trust his Protoss judgement) , it seems popular, going to see if there are any retailers here in SoCal near me that carry it.


It was popular when the mechanical keyboard wasn't popularized, but I wouldn't recommend you to get this keyboard in 2019 if you can invest more money into the keyboard.
If you want the mechanical keyboard that feels nearly the same as DT35(membrane keyboard), Topre keyboard is awesome choice for you to choose, and that's what I've done.


Looks like you have to order the QSEN DT-35 gaming keyboard online, it is on Amazon which is cool, this is the one I found if anyone else is interested, I would like to try a new mouse, I have tried many Razer mice, Steel series, logitech, and more...The best mouse i've used is the Abyssus, although I'd like to experiment with something new.


choosing a mouse is more important than a keyboard. It is your paint brush, most of the action is done with your mouse.
I've used the same shape of mouse for more than 11 years.
btw, i mind about keyboard layout. Like this.
F1 F2 F3 F4 F1 F2 F3 F4
1 2 3 4 5 vs 2 3 4 5

Corsair Keyboard

vs

RealForce R2 TLSA
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
July 28 2019 15:13 GMT
#14
If the Logitech G303 and Logitech Mini Optical are anything to go by, I'm sure the aforementioned Logitech G203 is great for BW!
blabberrrrr
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 15:28:26
July 28 2019 15:26 GMT
#15
Jesus... Scan, those RealForce keyboards are 250-300$+ lol, I have never in my life even considered spending that much on a keyboard.... Mind = Blown

EDIT : I am really surprised by the price on the RealForce Keyboards wtf...they look like keyboard's I used to use back in 2000
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 28 2019 15:58 GMT
#16
On July 29 2019 00:26 GGzerG wrote:
Jesus... Scan, those RealForce keyboards are 250-300$+ lol, I have never in my life even considered spending that much on a keyboard.... Mind = Blown

EDIT : I am really surprised by the price on the RealForce Keyboards wtf...they look like keyboard's I used to use back in 2000


It's really worth it. feels like membrane keyboard from DT35 + mechanical keyboard + infinite input(? idk what its called)

If you ever need how it sounds like, i can record for you.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
July 28 2019 16:02 GMT
#17
On July 29 2019 00:58 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2019 00:26 GGzerG wrote:
Jesus... Scan, those RealForce keyboards are 250-300$+ lol, I have never in my life even considered spending that much on a keyboard.... Mind = Blown

EDIT : I am really surprised by the price on the RealForce Keyboards wtf...they look like keyboard's I used to use back in 2000


It's really worth it. feels like membrane keyboard from DT35 + mechanical keyboard + infinite input(? idk what its called)

If you ever need how it sounds like, i can record for you.

Yeah that would be cool to hear and see a FP view of your keyboard in a game one time
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4514 Posts
July 28 2019 17:45 GMT
#18
Anyone have an idea where one could order an fk mini 2 mouse?
Team Liquid
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-28 18:26:20
July 28 2019 18:07 GMT
#19
Topre is hit or miss for gaming, it's not for everyone. I personally have a Topre Realforce 45g uniform, i prefer it over mechanical keyboards for BW but i prefer my Plum over it as well.

A bunch of ppl have Plum boards (me/Hawk/Jaeyun/Lumire/Ret etc.), Models just got 1 too so you can ask him for his feedback. I haven't heard any major complaints from anyone. Basically Plum is a membrane feeling board with a bit of actuation force. Comes in either 35g or 45g.

https://www.nizkeyboard.com/product/plum-84-ec-mechanical-keyboard-rgb-or-non-rgb/

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Plum/818123_512715594.html?spm=2114.12010608.0.0.3307600531BXF7 (make sure you get the ones that say "capacitive", capacitive = hybrid topre).

In regards to the FKMini2, here's a pretty good review: https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1675273-fkmini2-review-mattkelly.html
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anXieTyTheBigBoy
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
July 28 2019 19:00 GMT
#20
qsenn dt-35 for membrane, leopold fc750r for mechanical
logitech g9x mouse. its the only way to play
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