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rainnmann
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TornadoSteve
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On July 07 2019 22:45 Dante08 wrote: Has he been secretly practicing? I was wondering this also, the guy look sharp af, at least in those 6 matchs. No way hes microing those corsairs like he did after a 2 years break. Bisu or anyone. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway632 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On July 07 2019 22:45 Dante08 wrote: Has he been secretly practicing? Looks like he's had leave from the army for a short bit before going back so played. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
On July 07 2019 23:19 TornadoSteve wrote: I was wondering this also, the guy look sharp af, at least in those 6 matchs. No way hes microing those corsairs like he did after a 2 years break. Bisu or anyone. They're allowed to play BW in the army. They can't stream though. | ||
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starithm
United States118 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 08 2019 00:18 oxKnu wrote: They're allowed to play BW in the army. They can't stream though. wow really? i guess since military service is obligatory they offer their soldiers some lenience. | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
On July 08 2019 00:51 Alejandrisha wrote: wow really? i guess since military service is obligatory they offer their soldiers some lenience. Obviously they can't play computer games all the time but Scan said that most guys can practice in the evening if they want. | ||
GTR
51432 Posts
edit: his official discharge date is the 10th of august, so mark that on your calendars | ||
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
The killing part is at 50 seconds, where Larva says, "If this is the Bisu I know, a dark templar already left towards the 6 o'clock base." And ten seconds later a dark templar is slaying drones there. | ||
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
On July 08 2019 04:08 GTR wrote: edit: his official discharge date is the 10th of august, so mark that on your calendars You sure? According to that screenshot from his stream September the 4th is his official discharge date: https://i.imgur.com/NCj8mZD.jpg Did that change? | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2392 Posts
On July 08 2019 06:21 9-BiT wrote: I hope he can put up a fight against flash's terran. or Last's, or Sharp's, or Ample's, or JyJ's... | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2259 Posts
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GTR
51432 Posts
On July 08 2019 12:43 AdelSC123 wrote: You sure? According to that screenshot from his stream September the 4th is his official discharge date: https://i.imgur.com/NCj8mZD.jpg Did that change? i was basing my date off his namuwiki page so i dunno if its correct or not. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1930 Posts
On July 08 2019 11:58 RWLabs wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtMxW-rjRpE The killing part is at 50 seconds, where Larva says, "If this is the Bisu I know, a dark templar already left towards the 6 o'clock base." And ten seconds later a dark templar is slaying drones there. that is absolutely hilarious :D wasn't even 10, was like 2-3 secs lol. Pro call by Larva and great reaction by Jaedong aswell. | ||
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geod
Vietnam450 Posts
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JakePlissken
55 Posts
On July 08 2019 04:55 BisuDagger wrote: I honestly think the time off is great for pro-gamers like Bisu, JD, and Flash. The wear and tear and strain on their hands and wrists is bad. The break is an opportunity to rest without people thinking you are washed up or retired. I also think they are reaching an age where you win more with your head then raw mechanics. I've certainly gotten better in my thirties because life has helped me develop a healthy brain for logic and understanding. It will be great to see how this helps Bisu. I think there's still a place for the old legends, but they're just less consistent now. JD has fallen the hardest. It feels bad watching him burn out and get killed early on in these tournaments. Yet when I watch his FPVODs it's clear he still has the killer instinct and is a genius at predicting his opponents, he just suffers late game and his APM slips heavily. Flash skipped ASL7 to rest, which is probably going to help significantly for 8. Bisu was doing well before he left for the army, he surprisingly lost to Sea and Shine in ASL2 and 3, but he was consistently in the top 4. The progamers still have really robust tournament mindsets and don't get as nervous offline. The new era SC2-to-BW pros which have won the last four premiers (Last, Rain, SK), despite their exceptional mechanics, have fallen apart in series play versus the legends in spectacular fashion before (thinking JD 4-0 Rain specifically, or Last vs Flash on numerous occasions). I think they just have two separate ways of looking at the game and preparing for matches, and the new guys have been getting the best of it lately as the legends continue to fatigue. I just hope Bisu kills it when he gets back and doesn't stall out like Zero. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On July 07 2019 23:19 TornadoSteve wrote: I was wondering this also, the guy look sharp af, at least in those 6 matchs. No way hes microing those corsairs like he did after a 2 years break. Bisu or anyone. It's less than 2 years now On July 08 2019 16:19 geod wrote: With all the training he got in Terran Army, i really hope he understands the vsT match-up better now. That's hilarious lul | ||
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JoinTheRain
Bulgaria408 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On July 08 2019 17:01 AntiHack wrote: It's less than 2 years now That's hilarious lul It was two years for Bisu. The rules changed after he was in service so it didn't effect him. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On July 08 2019 19:07 BisuDagger wrote: It was two years for Bisu. The rules changed after he was in service so it didn't effect him. I'd say he left too early, but atleast it means he's back soon now rather than us having to wait even longer! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On July 08 2019 20:50 Qikz wrote: I'd say he left too early, but atleast it means he's back soon now rather than us having to wait even longer! His was a forced summons. He actually delayed it quite a bit too iirc. | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
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yubo56
687 Posts
On July 08 2019 22:43 BisuDagger wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-iYXshBow Hahahaha, https://youtu.be/GH-iYXshBow?t=673 Streamer (JD I assume) tabs back to his third after some heavy hydra aggression to find the entire mineral line dead to a DT and Larva literally falls out of his chair. Really wish I knew Korean and could understand the video damn | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
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rainnmann
4 Posts
On July 09 2019 03:39 superjoppe wrote: Did he say he was Bisu or were there some juicy detective work? That's the Bisu style of bisu build: amazing micro, multitasking, distracing by zealots/corsair then drop/sneaky Dt to kill drones on other base... etc. Conversly, Best has a terrible micro skill among top protoss player. If you didnt recognize this, you must hadn't watched enough Bisu vods. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On July 09 2019 03:44 rainnmann wrote: Conversly, Best has a terrible micro skill among top protoss player. You mean macro? | ||
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Highgamer
1403 Posts
You realized that he wrote Best instead of Bisu there? Best's macro is almost god level. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 08 2019 16:19 geod wrote: With all the training he got in Terran Army, i really hope he understands the vsT match-up better now. They train for TvT though. | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On July 09 2019 05:22 Highgamer wrote: You realized that he wrote Best instead of Bisu there? Best's macro is almost god level. Oh right lol, yeah and that might be why he's the one Flash has the most trouble with | ||
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JakePlissken
55 Posts
That's the Bisu style of bisu build: amazing micro, multitasking, distracing by zealots/corsair then drop/sneaky Dt to kill drones on other base... etc. Conversly, Best has a terrible micro skill among top protoss player. If you didnt recognize this, you must hadn't watched enough Bisu vods. To be fair, when Bisu was hot stuff back in the day, every clown on ICCup was copying this style. They were all awful at it, but it was very common. The multitasking DT style has fallen out of favor, and Bisu was the only one who really mastered it, so if someone is taking down progamers on ladder using it, there's a good chance it's Bisu - that's their reasoning. Plus, all of these players have probably played Bisu hundreds of times in practice and can recognize his play, so their gut feeling is probably right. | ||
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Highgamer
1403 Posts
If you play a lot of BW yourself you know how annoying such a style can be, if you get lured/forced out of your comfort zone by just clever, actually quite logical use of the units one can have. How your game can crumble if the oppo gives you just 2-3 things to juggle at once, where others just do cookie-cutter moves with the same amount/type of units. When I saw JD play vs Bisu I kept thinking "no, don't send ALL the lings there" or "dude, send one ling to scout that OTHER path now", but it's easy to see as an observer and sick hard to stay on top of all that if you're playing, even for a pro seemingly. Surely the people who can pull these styles off repeatedly are gifted with a special talent for this, their micro/macro might even be mediocre but they can see the game with their opponents eyes or something, they have like a brain-region/neural-net that can process that interaction apart from what everyone else has. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 09 2019 07:14 Highgamer wrote: Especially the zealot-harrass-multitasking is just amazing to watch, how he dismantles top players defensive play with just basic units, surgically creates a situation for the corsairs and DTs to strike. If you play a lot of BW yourself you know how annoying such a style can be, if you get lured/forced out of your comfort zone by just clever, actually quite logical use of the units one can have. How your game can crumble if the oppo gives you just 2-3 things to juggle at once, where others just do cookie-cutter moves with the same amount/type of units. When I saw JD play vs Bisu I kept thinking "no, don't send ALL the lings there" or "dude, send one ling to scout that OTHER path now", but it's easy to see as an observer and sick hard to stay on top of all that if you're playing, even for a pro seemingly. Surely the people who can pull these styles off repeatedly are gifted with a special talent for this, their micro/macro might even be mediocre but they can see the game with their opponents eyes or something, they have like a brain-region/neural-net that can process that interaction apart from what everyone else has. bisu has a fingerprint even after military. i am looking forward to seeing his games. i think the scene is wide open for him | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
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rainnmann
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I mean while Best has a god macro skill, on other hand his micro is awful relatively to other top protoss. In PvZ his corsairs were named "dohsairs" by some as a joke, due to his awful corsair microing. Bisu conversely can dodge a scourge trap from JD (watch the games in OP). | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 07 2019 22:45 Dante08 wrote: Has he been secretly practicing? Join army(serving military service) doesn't mean you are completely blocked from the society and using the Internet. Of course we get annual vacation + bonus vacation as a reward. some vacations can be given if your family member is in a danger level to pass away or already passed away due to the incident. Also, extreme poverty can lead to get weaved from joining the army(condition has to be followed. Father died, mom's on a bad health, first son, etc) Anyways, recently I heard we can use cellphones in the army this year of January or so and some troops are letting corpsmen to go out for a short time. It's up to people believe whether or not bisu has practiced. Also think about the past what was happening when fantasy, zero, hyun, hiya were coming back. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1930 Posts
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marwin
Ukraine109 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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marwin
Ukraine109 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On July 09 2019 10:27 BisuDagger wrote: All I want is for a Bisu vs Rain bo5 to happen. That's the dream match with his return. Bisu should be back just in time for BlizzCon, I heard they like showmatches there | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
there, i said it. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On July 09 2019 19:26 GrandSmurf wrote: As a die-hard Flash fan, i want Bisu to trample him. there, i said it. not gonna happen unless he had a radical rethink of his approach in pvt. flash always had bisu's number. | ||
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Highgamer
1403 Posts
On July 09 2019 19:43 ggsimida wrote: not gonna happen unless he had a radical rethink of his approach in pvt. flash always had bisu's number. Unfortunatelly in that last Proleague-Final Bisu didn't take the call, impolite guy... | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
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AdelSC123
France362 Posts
On July 10 2019 00:49 Highgamer wrote: Unfortunatelly in that last Proleague-Final Bisu didn't take the call, impolite guy... Cant believe that this game is 7 years old: | ||
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Lorch
Germany3677 Posts
On July 09 2019 19:43 ggsimida wrote: not gonna happen unless he had a radical rethink of his approach in pvt. flash always had bisu's number. Their record during the professional life of BW was 11-16. That is still in Flash's favor, but far from "flash always had his number". | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
Bisu is great but was always more showman than winner. Let's see him do it in tournament. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On July 10 2019 02:53 Lorch wrote: Their record during the professional life of BW was 11-16. That is still in Flash's favor, but far from "flash always had his number". yeh its ggsimida twisted view about the flash v bisu rivalry he always had that view i guess flash even admitting one of the few players he feels fear from when playing is bisu.. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
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zimp
Hungary951 Posts
On July 09 2019 17:13 marwin wrote: Rush played vs this so called "익명토스" (anonymous toss) an hour ago and compared hot keys in bw chart with the bisu's ones after the game (by his viewers request). And though he didnt set "hotkey selection" option, it was 100% match. it does look like Bisu. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/xSbiqmE.png) | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On July 10 2019 02:53 Lorch wrote: Their record during the professional life of BW was 11-16. That is still in Flash's favor, but far from "flash always had his number". are you so used to him winning 80-20 that 60-40 isn't "had his number". stork had 50-50 btw and bisu wished he had some of his tactical nous. On July 10 2019 04:20 onlystar wrote: yeh its ggsimida twisted view about the flash v bisu rivalry he always had that view i guess flash even admitting one of the few players he feels fear from when playing is bisu.. of course hes gonna fear the one that does him 40-60 instead of 20-80. | ||
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Moopower
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bd.Makin
Chile104 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2259 Posts
thats like 99% Bisu | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On July 10 2019 13:05 bd.Makin wrote: someone can tell me hows bisu pvp compared to rains??... whats the record between them?.. Between 2013 to 2017 Bisu only lost 3 times in PvP and had an 89% winrate. Bisu vs Rain only happened once and it was an epic long macro game that Bisu won. Bisu holds the highest elo of PvP during the kespa era so he holds the crown in PvP, but Rain is pretty darn close to taking it. He also needs one more PvP finals victory in a major tournament to match Bisu's record during the Kespa era. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On July 10 2019 06:11 BisuDagger wrote: Flash is leagues ahead of Bisu if you look at their abilities in a best of series. Remember how long it was before Flash lost a best of to a protoss prior to snow? However I disagree with the above comment. Even if Bisu is perceived as a showman he was a stone cold killer for years in pro league. He holds the highest single season win count and I believe also owns the records in most all kills. In an unprepared best of 1 I would confidently put money on him. That's the scenario in which he beat Flash too. I watched all those Proleague matches. Half the time Bisu wasn't selected for the Ace. Fantasy was, or sometimes even Best. SKT1 was deep enough to have three potential Aces. So you're exaggerating. Yes, Bisu had dominant Proleague seasons. No one ever said he didn't. Even during those dominant seasons, though, he was only sporadically as dominant in BoX, and part of the reason for his dominance was that you had to deal with the two other heavy-hitters in SKT1, especially Fantasy (who had quite the underrated career). Either way, Proleague is over and has been for what, seven years? I guess that's all you have to hold onto. This thread is about Bisu being back *now*, though. No top players are terrified of him in a BoX. And he's always been relatively porous against Terran. Would be interesting to see if he could even beat Last or Sharp consistently in a BoX. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On July 11 2019 03:41 KamMoye wrote: I watched all those Proleague matches. Half the time Bisu wasn't selected for the Ace. Fantasy was, or sometimes even Best. SKT1 was deep enough to have three potential Aces. So you're exaggerating. Yes, Bisu had dominant Proleague seasons. No one ever said he didn't. Even during those dominant seasons, though, he was only sporadically as dominant in BoX, and part of the reason for his dominance was that you had to deal with the two other heavy-hitters in SKT1, especially Fantasy (who had quite the underrated career). Either way, Proleague is over and has been for what, seven years? I guess that's all you have to hold onto. This thread is about Bisu being back *now*, though. No top players are terrified of him in a BoX. And he's always been relatively porous against Terran. Would be interesting to see if he could even beat Last or Sharp consistently in a BoX. Not sure why you try to attack me whenever I post in threads. I work really hard as a contributor for teamliquid and enjoy the fun loving side of this community. I really hope you can find that kind of enjoyment too and engage in fun and constructive conversations with me in the future. Regardless of how you choose to talk to me in the future, I wish you the best. Cheers! | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2392 Posts
Bisu, you suck vs terran and that one sexy double shuttle harass game will not take away all the times you stasis'd the front tank and then A moved your army into a sieged up position. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1930 Posts
On July 11 2019 03:41 KamMoye wrote: No top players are terrified of him in a BoX. gotta love statements like these. Just out of curiosity, which pro's did you ask? | ||
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IRseriousCat-
74 Posts
Just out of curiosity, which pro's did you ask? I lol'd! Everyone is scared of Bisu. | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
But anyway.... if Bisu plays in more ASL games... me and BlindRawr gotta get the TL page backgrounds changed in the game threads again lmao https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/522837-asl3-ro8-ssak-vs-bisu?page=10 for those who missed the greatness of the past. | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
On July 11 2019 01:46 Alejandrisha wrote: if bisu starts streaming a lot of going to have to quit my job for a bit haha :D | ||
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Jaeyun
United States202 Posts
Bisu is always going to be a top, formidable player no matter what, but Flash is in a class by himself. | ||
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kidcrash
United States620 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On July 13 2019 04:24 kidcrash wrote: I hope bisu is practicing pvt and only pvt for the time being. Someone really needs to coach him on engagement tactics and decision making mid to late game. true but if he is coming back from practicing less, he is going to have to work on it all. we all assume he still has the crispest mechanics alongside flash but maybe there is some rust there. albeit it won't take him long to get back to his former shape if he wants to. the whole myth of 21 being an elder progamer has been dismissed (maybe only because the fall of teamhouses and the young players are not getting the coaching they need to break into the scene and unleash their potential?) so i think within a few months of practice he can get back to where he was and that is still top notch now for the scene. really, i think he needs to grind pvp and learn those mind games if he is going to take rain's throne as the undisputed pvp mind reader/destroyer | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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raplacay
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VioleTAK
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VioleTAK
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Champi
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marwin
Ukraine109 Posts
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
On July 22 2019 17:45 marwin wrote: Larva played 2 games vs bisu yesterday on ladder on CB and Block Chain. http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/46179900 Starts from 06:29:38 WOW, the strom/dt drops, relentless, the entire mid/late game he wouldn't give Larva any breathing space, an unstoppable neverending onslaught of perfect harassment. If he can consistently play vs Larva in this form, he can jump right into the next ASL. Incredible absolutely incredible. Thanks for posting that. If you see anymore please post them! <3 | ||
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