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KrsNinja
Norway24 Posts
Been playing since 2001 and have seen my fair share of games. Would be great if we could list the most high quality games we've ever seen in a thread. Not looking at pimpest plays or the most entertaining ones, but simply the best skill and play, Broodwar at its highest level. Any games coming to mind? | ||
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Red.T45
Germany28 Posts
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rand0MPrecisi0n
313 Posts
Maybe someone that speaks korean can find it. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic626 Posts
Larva for Zerg FlaSh for Terran and Sky for Toss his late game vs Zerg and Terran is very sick | ||
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chozen86
United States60 Posts
Jangbi for micro/engagements (esp. storms) Rain for tactical/strategic play (e.g., manipulating enemy army positioning). I think there were quite a few games in the last ASL like this, including a few masterclass PVPs and at least one really good PVT. Can't recall exactly which games though. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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nikolaus8844
109 Posts
My input - most of the iconic games between Flash and JD in the Kespa era.. it's electric to watch them, and for a good reason. Two monsters clashing! There was a game between Jangbi and Nada where the former just put on a clinic as far as storm casting is concerned.. this was quite masterful in my humble opinion. Firebathero vs Saviour on Python was.. perhaps not amidst the very best, but quite a good show too. Of course it will be a crime not to attribute a lot of skill display to Bisu, I just can't happen to recall right at this moment any spectacular games of his. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
flash vs jaedong @ grandline WCG Korea + Show Spoiler + flash vs jaedong @ tau cross WCG 2010 + Show Spoiler + jangbi vs fantasy @ pathfinder jinair OSL finals + Show Spoiler + flash vs bisu @ chain reaction SPL finals + Show Spoiler + jaedong vs snow @ dante's peak PDPop MSL (the whole series is great) + Show Spoiler + in terms of the modern era: effort vs flash entire series of ASL6 finals flash vs snow entire series ASL5 quarterfinals rain vs last entire series ASL7 semifinals mini vs effort entire series ASL7 semifinals hero vs rain entire series ASL5 semifinals | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3122 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2593 Posts
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On May 05 2019 15:36 chongu wrote: Flash vs Bisu, WCG 2009. Awesome micro battle. Dragoons/zealots vs tanks/vultures with mines/marines https://youtu.be/zMH_q6jQbOo?t=552 Lol, I remember my mind was blown the first time I saw that game. Bisu vs Ssak on Camelot was also really nice. His dragoon micro is something else. | ||
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
On May 05 2019 15:36 chongu wrote: Flash vs Bisu, WCG 2009. Awesome micro battle. Dragoons/zealots vs tanks/vultures with mines/marines https://youtu.be/zMH_q6jQbOo?t=552 I think this is the perfect example to see why all modern games can not really belong to this thread. I love and respect every ex-pro still playing the game and demolishing any newcomer, but honestly, they are not pro anymore, and nowhere near level they used to be at. This said, they play with open and fresh mind and it's awesome to see how new strategies approach, queens come to play, etc. But no one can ever execute it like Bisu in this video or like sAviOr in his top shape. We must deal with it and appreciate what they gave to us in the past. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2041 Posts
On May 06 2019 03:53 kaby wrote: I think this is the perfect example to see why all modern games can not really belong to this thread. I love and respect every ex-pro still playing the game and demolishing any newcomer, but honestly, they are not pro anymore, and nowhere near level they used to be at. This said, they play with open and fresh mind and it's awesome to see how new strategies approach, queens come to play, etc. But no one can ever execute it like Bisu in this video or like sAviOr in his top shape. We must deal with it and appreciate what they gave to us in the past. Especially the part where Bisu floats 1500 minerals on 2 bases. Get real, level is way higher now than in 2009, and games like this appear all the time (or better) | ||
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
On May 06 2019 04:52 kogeT wrote: Especially the part where Bisu floats 1500 minerals on 2 bases. Get real, level is way higher now than in 2009, and games like this appear all the time (or better) Yeah, this is why Flash destroyed everyone after coming back from SC2 3 seasons in row before his shape dropped down. And this is why WCG Russia 2008 champion g0rynich easily qualified to the top-16 foreign players in the SC:Remastered Pro Series while playing PUBG every day. And I can hardly imagine that being a top-tier zerg and terran player you can not notice how unclean things like muta micro is being executed nowdays. We still love and watch those players doing their job but cmon. | ||
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Artas1984
135 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On May 05 2019 07:26 Ideas wrote: from kespa era off the top of my head: jangbi vs fantasy @ pathfinder jinair OSL finals + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiIRazYouGw There is a subbed version of that game that I would highly suggest. Kim Carriers casting during that game is pure gold: | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1656 Posts
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kaspa84
Brazil169 Posts
On May 04 2019 22:29 chozen86 wrote: Can't recall exactly which games though. Are you Jaehoon? Tempest vs Light was some amazing micro also. And the infamous power outage Flash vs Jaedong was amazingly highly level. | ||
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mca64
Poland7 Posts
WCG 2004 | ||
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chozen86
United States60 Posts
The multitasking here is absolutely insane. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
On May 06 2019 04:52 kogeT wrote: Especially the part where Bisu floats 1500 minerals on 2 bases. Get real, level is way higher now than in 2009, and games like this appear all the time (or better) Sounds like all of Mini's games these days. On May 14 2019 00:36 Dazed. wrote: bisu vs jaedong on bluestorm i remember being a blast, especially the fpvod from bisu's pov. cant find that vod anymore tho | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
On May 13 2019 23:31 kaspa84 wrote: Are you Jaehoon? Tempest vs Light was some amazing micro also. And the infamous power outage Flash vs Jaedong was amazingly highly level. yeah the power outage game would have probably went down as one of the greatest games ever had the power not went out :\ Also another crazy TvZ I just remembered: Iris vs Savior @ Neo Arkanoid | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On May 06 2019 04:52 kogeT wrote: Especially the part where Bisu floats 1500 minerals on 2 bases. Get real, level is way higher now than in 2009, and games like this appear all the time (or better) Thank you. That stupid clip of shooting some mines with dragoons is sooooooo overrated. I mean it's a nice clip up until the end where he starts losing dragoons to mines anyway but come on... ...oh the person saying that it eclipses all modern games is a sAviOr fan. That explains it. | ||
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allanyushka
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
Please tell me that someone has saved that game in its entirety. | ||
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Miragee
8594 Posts
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
On May 14 2019 11:33 Turbovolver wrote:...oh the person saying that it eclipses all modern games is a sAviOr fan. That explains it. Another day I watched old sAviOr's game and noticed a moment when he was flying over the terran's base with his mutastack. One moment he suddenly faced a lonely marine which wasn't supposed to be there (forgotten by a terran player or something), and sAviOr sniped him with his mutas not slowing for a split second or change route for a split degree. You may not recognize such things and how difficult they are if you are not a zerg player or didn't practice muta micro much. But even then you can see how players like mIsO (decent modern zerg) lose a mutalisk or two just because of coming too close doing a hold position technique or missing shots because doing it too far away. Man, I can't imagine old KeSPA coaches to put a guy like this to play ZvT on Proleague. I'm not a sAviOr's fan from 2005, I didn't even see most of his games from those times and started to watch in 2008. But my point is that if you can't see the perfection the old pros had which the modern players do not have, maybe you just prefer to rather chat on Twitch than actually watch the games carefully. Of course meta shifted much and modern players have much more basic knowledge to work with, but the way they execute it IMHO is miles below from what it used to be. That said, I still watch almost every single ASL and KSL game. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On May 14 2019 19:07 KungKras wrote: The one where Bisu micoes his goons vs an impossible push of tanks and mines. And manages to snipe all the mines. Please tell me that someone has saved that game in its entirety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMH_q6jQbOo hmm why isnt it embedding but ya either way it is this game, bisu vs flash on HBR, some of the best micro you'll ever see | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On May 15 2019 04:57 kaby wrote: Another day I watched old sAviOr's game and noticed a moment when he was flying over the terran's base with his mutastack. One moment he suddenly faced a lonely marine which wasn't supposed to be there (forgotten by a terran player or something), and sAviOr sniped him with his mutas not slowing for a split second or change route for a split degree. You may not recognize such things and how difficult they are if you are not a zerg player or didn't practice muta micro much. But even then you can see how players like mIsO (decent modern zerg) lose a mutalisk or two just because of coming too close doing a hold position technique or missing shots because doing it too far away. Man, I can't imagine old KeSPA coaches to put a guy like this to play ZvT on Proleague. I'm not a sAviOr's fan from 2005, I didn't even see most of his games from those times and started to watch in 2008. But my point is that if you can't see the perfection the old pros had which the modern players do not have, maybe you just prefer to rather chat on Twitch than actually watch the games carefully. Of course meta shifted much and modern players have much more basic knowledge to work with, but the way they execute it IMHO is miles below from what it used to be. That said, I still watch almost every single ASL and KSL game. This is a very confused post. Assuming I am incapable of appreciating true skill (and gross, suggesting I enjoy Twitch chat) all because one time, sAviOr did a really good job of killing a single marine. Are there any good games of sAviOr still around to watch on Youtube? I'd like to watch one that a fan would say really demonstrates his abilities. sAviOr to me is the guy who got embarrassed by FBH's battlecruisers* and match fixed because he started to get overtaken by better players. But this is an open invitation for his fans to link me a game that might change my mind. * Given the proliferation of this strategy in modern TvZ I would like to instead nominate that FBH was a genius ahead of his time  | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On May 15 2019 11:35 Turbovolver wrote: This is a very confused post. Assuming I am incapable of appreciating true skill (and gross, suggesting I enjoy Twitch chat) all because one time, sAviOr did a really good job of killing a single marine. Are there any good games of sAviOr still around to watch on Youtube? I'd like to watch one that a fan would say really demonstrates his abilities. sAviOr to me is the guy who got embarrassed by FBH's battlecruisers* and match fixed because he started to get overtaken by better players. But this is an open invitation for his fans to link me a game that might change my mind. * Given the proliferation of this strategy in modern TvZ I would like to instead nominate that FBH was a genius ahead of his time huge savior fan but also an objective one the most recent accomplishment i can think of was him starting the whole simcity wall-in thing on tornado versus pusan, because i don't remember any zerg really doing this before he did. memory fails me but i can't remember too much before this. https://tl.net/forum/final-edits/226236-god-of-the-battlefield-part-1 this is a great summary of why he's known as one of the greatest of all time. despite what he did afterwards and how he slumped, we cannot take away what he accomplished and how. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On May 15 2019 11:53 konadora wrote: huge savior fan but also an objective one the most recent accomplishment i can think of was him starting the whole simcity wall-in thing on tornado versus pusan, because i don't remember any zerg really doing this before he did. [youtube] memory fails me but i can't remember too much before this. https://tl.net/forum/final-edits/226236-god-of-the-battlefield-part-1 this is a great summary of why he's known as one of the greatest of all time. despite what he did afterwards and how he slumped, we cannot take away what he accomplished and how. Thanks konadora. That was a pretty nice game, and indeed innovating zerg simcity is respectable. I think that article asserts his dominance of the scene well, but the in-depth descriptions of individual plays felt a bit pointless. Everything was exaggerated as an example of Savior's godlike play. For example in one of the examples he puts his army between the Terran's push and the Terran's base, something the same article later argues is the key to a ZvT midgame, but while we're talking about Savior, it's "doing 5 things at once with his army", etc etc. The article points out that he innovated 3hat muta and it gave him inconceivable success in ZvT. So that was useful to know too (I got interested in the scene about right after Savior started slumping post defeat to Bisu). I guess we never got a proper chance to see whether he could maintain his prime because he was consumed by all his other bullshit and terrible attitude. Anyways yeah, this isn't supposed to be an argument about Savior, just wanted to offer my thanks and thoughts. Though I still think anyone who says that games like the one you linked are "the height of Brood War skill", aka better than subsequent games, they're dreaming >_> | ||
Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On May 16 2019 11:03 Turbovolver wrote: its no exaggeration dude. savior was called the maestro because he really played like that, like a conductor. He would always have scourge pop just a second before a dropship came in to land, lurkers would get behind an enemy just in time to ambush the retreating army, yada yada. Tactically the best player in broodwar history.Thanks konadora. That was a pretty nice game, and indeed innovating zerg simcity is respectable. I think that article asserts his dominance of the scene well, but the in-depth descriptions of individual plays felt a bit pointless. Everything was exaggerated as an example of Savior's godlike play. For example in one of the examples he puts his army between the Terran's push and the Terran's base, something the same article later argues is the key to a ZvT midgame, but while we're talking about Savior, it's "doing 5 things at once with his army", etc etc. The article points out that he innovated 3hat muta and it gave him inconceivable success in ZvT. So that was useful to know too (I got interested in the scene about right after Savior started slumping post defeat to Bisu). I guess we never got a proper chance to see whether he could maintain his prime because he was consumed by all his other bullshit and terrible attitude. Anyways yeah, this isn't supposed to be an argument about Savior, just wanted to offer my thanks and thoughts. Though I still think anyone who says that games like the one you linked are "the height of Brood War skill", aka better than subsequent games, they're dreaming >_> something the same article later argues is the key to a ZvT midgame, but while we're talking about Savior, it's "doing 5 things at once with his army", etc etc. Every key feature of zvt, the muta harass, the droning phase, lurker ling backstabs to buy time for hive blah blah, were all created in a systematic way by savior. The reason the article hangs on his tactical play is that is where his specialty lay relative to other zergs. Yes, other zergs do/did that, but they didnt do it as well/depend on it to the same degree. | ||
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Aminus
Bulgaria35 Posts
Apart from all the games here i can only remember seeing hwasin's crazy good micro in some games i cant even link. having in mind all the eye popping moments of micro seeing in the kespa days, something about the skill cap being lower seems to be legit, because its such a rarity nowdays. its about the level of execution, and that can be because there is no strict training schedule of the players, there are no progaming houses and they are grown up men doing many other things in life. Thats why i think nowdays we cant have that level of domination and every player can be defeated when his opponent puts enough time for preparation. However i see so many new builds, because players put their attention more in that to outsmart the other player while macro and micro skills are maintained to an acceptable level to be competitive, rather than practicing one thing a thousand times to perfection. I have many videos to watch from this thread, and it just reminded me of how much passion broodwar had back in the day. | ||
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Artas1984
135 Posts
On Flash's side there was a great ''turtle siege pressure'' by Flash in Stork's main base, but instead of defending it, Stork makes a new secret base and saves all his probes via shuttle while doing counter harassment at the same time in Flash's main base. Also on Storks side we see outstanding reaver control, that only Snow could execute on his best day, Stork's scout kills 3 tanks and some marines, that alone is a must watch. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1656 Posts
On May 15 2019 11:53 konadora wrote: huge savior fan but also an objective one the most recent accomplishment i can think of was him starting the whole simcity wall-in thing on tornado versus pusan, because i don't remember any zerg really doing this before he did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd9g1XGxqM memory fails me but i can't remember too much before this. https://tl.net/forum/final-edits/226236-god-of-the-battlefield-part-1 this is a great summary of why he's known as one of the greatest of all time. despite what he did afterwards and how he slumped, we cannot take away what he accomplished and how. I remembered this game, it was okay and Pusan wasn't so good at that time even for sAviOr it would have been a disappointment to lose vs him. Btw he played this way for the next 4 years on fish server on fs. If he wasn't taking far third he would simply hydra push, very lazy gameplay but efficient, we already lost him at that time as he was making no effort to improve obviously. I believe there should be much better games from him during fish era. Mostly z v p. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
okay found it actually (lol at the fan fanning him after the game) | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19298 Posts
SKY2006 Proleague R2 Zeus vs SoO_STX on Arkanoid. Play: mass mind control versus carriers. Someone please find the full vod. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On May 22 2019 02:13 BisuDagger wrote: Just for fun: SKY2006 Proleague R2 Zeus vs SoO_STX on Arcadia Play: mass mind control versus carriers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG7kM74GzJc&feature=youtu.be&t=81 Someone please find the full vod. Isn't that Arkanoid? | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
But in term of high level of play by both players, this is the best I've watched : 50min of perfection. A pity I can't find it in better quality (but the sAviOr game is worse...). | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19298 Posts
Yup, typo-ed. Arkanoid had insane games but was exhausting at the same time lol. The SC2 version was quite fun too. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17731 Posts
On May 15 2019 11:53 konadora wrote: huge savior fan but also an objective one the most recent accomplishment i can think of was him starting the whole simcity wall-in thing on tornado versus pusan, because i don't remember any zerg really doing this before he did. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kd9g1XGxqM Are you talking about just simcity wall-in for zvp in general or on tornado specifically? Because the first time I remember seeing the whole wall-in thing against speedlot/archon was Shark vs Reach on destination. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17731 Posts
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Ideas
United States8142 Posts
Damn I forgot that Shark not only discovered muta-stacking but also invented (or at least contributed to) modern zerg simcity :O . 2 huge contributions to the game, shame he never really got great results though :\ | ||
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Li_Xin
51 Posts
Game 2 CJ Superfight III on Neo-Arkanoid has always been a favorite of mine. Not sure why everyone always talks about sAviOr vs Iris on this map, when this game was much better. This was when NaDa was the only Terran player capable of doing 'sk terran'. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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