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It must be extremely frustrating for the current active top foreigners to never get invited.
Also I dont think many people are interested in watching free-for-alls, 2v2s, custom maps, and so on... what's the point really ? Why not make a Twitch Open Tournament online where all top foreigners can register and cast it live + some showmatches between - some koreans and top foreigners and/or - top foreigner vs top foreigner ?
People would be ten times more hyped by this imo than the same old "big names casters chit-chat sitting on a couch" format, casting midlyinteresting games. I think viewers are starting to get bored by this kind of show.
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On December 16 2017 22:04 chrisolo wrote:Guys I really cannot understand the hate/overly aggresive criticism in this thread. This is an invitational by people who gathered the prize pool and hence can decide whom they want to invite and whom they do not. Their invitational, their rules, their invites. These guys work their asses off and have to argue with their superiors and sponsors to even get to the stage of officially organizing a tournament. People saying they arent going to watch (and hence boycott this event) are not only hurting themselves by not watching an amazing tournament but also hurt the whole SC:R scene in total. The less people are tuning in the less likely it is that we get another LAN event anytime soon. Sure you can bring up the valid criticism that there could be qualifier for this and people like Bonyth, Dewalt, eon and co deserve the attendance of LAN events in SC:R, but think about this. The prizepool of this invitational is 6000 USD, so I guess the total money pool for this event was about 15,000 USD. Can you invite 3 europeans and still have a LAN tournament with a sizeable prize pool when the flight alone costs about 1,500 USD for each of these players? Then you have to pay for the lodging and food for them and still pay the venue costs etc. etc. Could Twitch increase the total money pool for this event? Yes they can, but they will not until it is clear that SC:R can remain a constant high amount of viewer's to satisfy the sponsors. So in conclusion the more people tune into this event the more likely it is that there will be another event that might or might not have qualifiers. Also those people organizing this probably also have a lot of persuading to do and hard work behind the scenes. Let's not hate on them as a community, so they might be discouraged organizing further events in future. So you might tell them that their work is appreciated even though you bring up valid criticism (that is at least what I learned in school that if you want to criticize someone, you always also tell them what they did good). Thank you guys for organizing this invitational and your hard work BTS 
I think that the rage is warranted.
It's great to have viewership and money in the game, but if half or more of the top players quit playing, then what's the point. Why do people quit?
1) there are no tournaments to play in (unless you want to get stompted by Koreans - shout out to cfc, Rus brain cup and sktl)
2) the ladder has been shit
Point 2 only mentioned for fairness of the argument. It's not that these massive tournaments are solely responsible for the problem, but everyone collectively is trying to kill the scene that was active from 2010-2017 minus a select few who are working at the opposite.
There should be a riot, and some of the voices that you've heard complaining in the past are gone, not because they chose to stop giving their input, but because they quit the damn game. (Or were bought out by a pro-korean clan - in rare cases)
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Perhaps the issue comes from the founding. For the format you are proposing it demands a lot more funding, staff and devotion from the casters and organizers. And BW scene can't get more than 1-2k viewers on Twich except if Day9 is streaming.
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I really like Kawaiirice and I've been connecting him with practice partners for this as much as I can (as quite a few top players are aware)... But I don't see how either he or jaeyun will contribute more to viewership than the top 3 of ZOTAC Masters... Michael and DragOn are huge fan favorites for modern bw fans and they would have a legitimate chance vs Draco.
Also, I won't be tuning in, not as a boycott, there is just better things for me to do personally and the lineup isn't enticing enough to change plans...
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I really don't like the trend of inviting the popular players instead of the real best foreigners. Not gonna watch it this time.
I stand with Eon and the other top foreigners. I guess Draco deserves to be on the list though.
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Croatia9475 Posts
On December 16 2017 09:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
What a reality check,been a top foreigner player after sc2 cames out means shit.since remastered 4 big events been made,not a single top foreigner was invited.
Hey, look on the bright side, eventually SC3 will get released and everyone will flock to it. Then few years after that, StarCraft Remastered: Remastered will be made and you will be invited to its tournaments instead of people who didn't switch to SC3.
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I hope Twitch comes to the realization that events like this are an insult to the community. Better off not having events like this if you aren't going to invite the truly talented foreigners. Food for thought. Chew it up. It might be hard for twitch to swallow this but it's the truth.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
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I think it's more of a repeat of starcraft rm release show. Kinda LAN party talk show. They are doing what was proven to be successful the last time.
Just compare the viewership of ESL Italia and Zotac US, you can see the difference.
And imho for the community as a whole it's quite good, as it will attract even more casuals, who in the future will be interested in seeing some serious competition too.
I do feel bad for serious players tho, and I really hope there will be some serious tournament in the near feature with no invites at all.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years".
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The "old boys club"-Where the same group of people push around the message that they are the top players in an effort to make money and retain their "celebrity status" from accomplishments over 7 years ago while screwing over the real talent. I wonder what kind of cut twitch is giving you guys for doing this show.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years".
Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure.
Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive.
We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way.
Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place.
Sound good?
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On December 17 2017 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years". Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure. Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive. We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way. Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place. Sound good?
I mean, I think your analogy is actually pretty bad, you were once the top placement at WCG USA, imagine now that there were 2-3 large NA LAN, none of which invited you that year. They decided that all major LAN events would have players that can't even compete in the top 10 because they have more stream viewers and "better personalities".
You'd be super salty, maybe more than the people posting here, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to be upset.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 17 2017 02:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years". Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure. Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive. We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way. Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place. Sound good? I mean, I think your analogy is actually pretty bad, you were once the top placement at WCG USA, imagine now that there were 2-3 large NA LAN, none of which invited you that year. They decided that all major LAN events would have players that can't even compete in the top 10 because they have more stream viewers and "better personalities". You'd be super salty, maybe more than the people posting here, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to be upset.
That doesn't make my analogy bad. The point of my analogy is some people are upset top foreigners weren't invited to an event that has zero intention of showcasing top foreigners. It's really that silly. If that point doesn't hit home we can agree to disagree.
Read my next tweet. I'd like to help. If people are interested, when the time comes help me help them!
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Ive never really cared much for Broodwar, but I love these casters, I was kind of interested in tuning into this event and seeing if I might actually enjoy Broodwar since I've heard so much about the passionate community and all.
I'll still probably tune in, but I'm way less inclined to actually ever engage in Broodwar outside of my favorite personalities if this thread is at all indicative of the typical Broodwar community.
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On December 17 2017 02:14 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 02:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2017 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years". Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure. Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive. We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way. Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place. Sound good? I mean, I think your analogy is actually pretty bad, you were once the top placement at WCG USA, imagine now that there were 2-3 large NA LAN, none of which invited you that year. They decided that all major LAN events would have players that can't even compete in the top 10 because they have more stream viewers and "better personalities". You'd be super salty, maybe more than the people posting here, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to be upset. That doesn't make my analogy bad. The point of my analogy is some people are upset top foreigners weren't invited to an event that has zero intention of showcasing top foreigners. It's really that silly. If that point doesn't hit home we can agree to disagree. Read my next tweet. I'd like to help. If people are interested, when the time comes help me help them!
Right, I understand that the event is not designed to showcase top foreigner talent and that's not the intent. The problem is, only the TL events are set up to showcase top foreigner talent. That leads the the train of thought that some of these other events have to change or the personalities will become the top talent at a much lower level due to the top foreigners losing interest entirely, there's nothing for them now.
That's my point, I am not encouraging a boycott either. I'm just saying people should express their anger to push changes.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 17 2017 02:16 Zambrah wrote:
Ive never really cared much for Broodwar, but I love these casters, I was kind of interested in tuning into this event and seeing if I might actually enjoy Broodwar since I've heard so much about the passionate community and all.
I'll still probably tune in, but I'm way less inclined to actually ever engage in Broodwar outside of my favorite personalities if this thread is at all indicative of the typical Broodwar community.
To be fair it's really just the same usual suspects shitting up each thread. Plenty of silent majority that are there to have a good time. TL BW community has become a really nasty place. You aren't the first to notice it. I'm gonna keep posting and make content this next year for BW as well. Hoping to draw out some people that may appreciate that. Still love this game and like anything else I can endure the haters
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 17 2017 02:18 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 02:14 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 02:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2017 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years". Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure. Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive. We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way. Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place. Sound good? I mean, I think your analogy is actually pretty bad, you were once the top placement at WCG USA, imagine now that there were 2-3 large NA LAN, none of which invited you that year. They decided that all major LAN events would have players that can't even compete in the top 10 because they have more stream viewers and "better personalities". You'd be super salty, maybe more than the people posting here, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to be upset. That doesn't make my analogy bad. The point of my analogy is some people are upset top foreigners weren't invited to an event that has zero intention of showcasing top foreigners. It's really that silly. If that point doesn't hit home we can agree to disagree. Read my next tweet. I'd like to help. If people are interested, when the time comes help me help them! Right, I understand that the event is not designed to showcase top foreigner talent and that's not the intent. The problem is, only the TL events are set up to showcase top foreigner talent. That leads the the train of thought that some of these other events have to change or the personalities will become the top talent at a much lower level due to the top foreigners losing interest entirely, there's nothing for them now. That's my point, I am not encouraging a boycott either. I'm just saying people should express their anger to push changes.
Ah yes.. encourage people to express "anger" to impact the change you want. Ahhh.. maybe there are more productive ways? Nah? Only anger? Ok then.
Sorry I tried to get in the way of your anger! Hope you enjoy the show anyways. I'm going to try and make some of the content you guys want through my show.. hope you are there to support.
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On December 17 2017 02:21 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2017 02:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2017 02:14 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 02:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2017 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:On December 17 2017 01:46 BisuDagger wrote:On December 17 2017 01:33 iNcontroL wrote:
Hey guys.. just watched the last season of game of thrones and hated it. They had action, violence and a lot of intrigue. Where are the jokes? Why wasn't it a musical? Why did they have the actors they did? I prefer matt Damon. I won't be watching next season if they continue to not have an animated segment each episode. It spits in the face of current top actors that they keep using these no name actors that haven't even done anything before. Like, if this show doesn't have the people I want and isn't the type of show I think it should be I hate it and will talk about how bad those people are.
Still, it's a tough pill to swallow for people who put lot's effort into BW and will never get recognition for it. I spent the past 5 years casting for Brood War and put tons of my own money into the Korean and Foreign scene. When I casted stream to events for AfreecaTV FlashFtw and I were told that tastosis would give our stream just a few words of recognition and it didn't happen. I get it. These guys are busy and this is their living and have put in a ton of sweat equity into this scene, but it'd be really nice if the same names that pop up in every event reached out to the community and at least included those players that are consistently at the top and have earned the right to play on a big stage. Just any effort to show they are trying to engage in the player base would be great. Maybe it's just my personality, but I'd have stopped and said "Twitch I understand the list of people you invited, but it'd be very beneficial on your part to bring in at least two of the top players that have been streaming Starcraft over the last 5 years". Yeah I get that. Working hard and wanting something in return isn't a bad thing for sure. Mocking, angrily posting about how bad the players are and talking about how the people who are putting on an event are dumb and encouraging a boycott are however not productive. We are going to keep saying yes to these events and trying to entertain people not because we think this will get 10 million views or give a chance to show off the best of the best but because we love this game and it's really fun. Looking at this event and shouting it down because it isn't a top foreigner invite is silly. This event isn't about having the best.. so judging it for that is really really dumb. Like my post above.. it would sound silly if we talked about shows that way. Artosis and I are working on a show that talks about sc2 and bw. The angry folk in here.. help me when it comes around to show case the new top bw foreigner talent. I will give them a spotlight and try and help them out. Maybe we can raise money for an event? Showmatches? I'm down. I'd love to give eon and others a place to shine. This event however is not that place. Sound good? I mean, I think your analogy is actually pretty bad, you were once the top placement at WCG USA, imagine now that there were 2-3 large NA LAN, none of which invited you that year. They decided that all major LAN events would have players that can't even compete in the top 10 because they have more stream viewers and "better personalities". You'd be super salty, maybe more than the people posting here, and it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to be upset. That doesn't make my analogy bad. The point of my analogy is some people are upset top foreigners weren't invited to an event that has zero intention of showcasing top foreigners. It's really that silly. If that point doesn't hit home we can agree to disagree. Read my next tweet. I'd like to help. If people are interested, when the time comes help me help them! Right, I understand that the event is not designed to showcase top foreigner talent and that's not the intent. The problem is, only the TL events are set up to showcase top foreigner talent. That leads the the train of thought that some of these other events have to change or the personalities will become the top talent at a much lower level due to the top foreigners losing interest entirely, there's nothing for them now. That's my point, I am not encouraging a boycott either. I'm just saying people should express their anger to push changes. Ah yes.. encourage people to express "anger" to impact the change you want. Ahhh.. maybe there are more productive ways? Nah? Only anger? Ok then. Sorry I tried to get in the way of your anger! Hope you enjoy the show anyways. I'm going to try and make some of the content you guys want through my show.. hope you are there to support.
Sooo, if the content developed isnt appealing to people they should...
Tune in to show their support anyway in hopes that it appeals to them in the future? (Which it never will because if content is successful, people generally re-use the same recipe)
Not tune in and be quiet about it?
Express their thoughts in the thread and tune in?
Express their thoughts in the thread and not tune in?
I'm just saying, none of them are good options, so you can mock me for encouraging people to speak up. It's not an attack on you, so try not to feel offended.
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Some really out-of-touch perspectives being revealed in these comments...
Twitch has done and continues to do plenty of work for competitive, legit esports events. But Twitch is also about community and simply having fun playing games. This event is more of the latter despite the games being legit esports games. The audience looking for legit non-Korean BW competitions is so small now. There are more people who would like to be entertained by Day[9] and friends than people who are interested in seeing top foreigner BW players compete.
If you're a fan of StarCraft, you should be happy that this event is StarCraft-themed rather than some other theme. I know it may seem like this event is misguided, but if that's how you feel, then the truth is that your preferences are in a very small minority and this event wasn't designed exactly for you.
Top BW players: I absolutely respect your hobby and the skill you've achieved, but at some point you must be at peace with the fact that your dedication to BW means that you are playing the game you prefer rather than playing the most competitive game. It is silly to bemoan the fact that the people responsible for organizing successful events are not putting faith in "top foreigner BW tournament" as a hot item in 2017. If you truly seek competition, there are better games to play than BW. If you keep practicing and waiting, I'm sure something will come along for BW, but the scene is very unlikely to flourish. It never really did outside of Korea even before SC2, not in the way you're hoping it will now.
I sincerely hope people continue to play BW competitively for their own fulfillment and enjoyment. But for the most talented players who continue to practice hard and hope for some kind of payoff or career in gaming, you ought to switch games. I wouldn't even suggest SC2. Play one of the actually big esports. If it's not about money and career, then organize your own competitions, just for the sake of fun and competition. That's what the people participating in this event did for years. The fact that is it essentially free to stream/broadcast an event now already puts you lightyears ahead of us back then. Hell, people were doing events before there were replays. The only way people heard about the games was from play-by-play reports written by observers. Look at this shit: http://classic.battle.net/scc/br/
A negative attitude toward events like this is not helpful. Events like this help foster a bigger potential audience for a serious tournament in the future. When it comes, if it's not successful, another event will be even less likely. You might be better off in the long run by having events like this first to set up the success of the event you want.
Have a positive attitude and enjoy this event for what it is. I think it will be a lot of fun. I know most of you will have fun and it's just the vocal minority that want to have their voices heard in this thread. But I truly hope they can come around and enjoy this event too.
edit: Just to be perfectly clear about my most pragmatic and useful advice for the people who want a purely merit-based foreigner BW event: It benefits you for this event to be as successful as possible. The success of this event increases the chances you get what you want. I know you're disappointed that this event isn't the event you want, but refusing to support it and having a negative attitude towards it does not help you! Your preferences are already known. You don't need to express your preferences via negative posts and boycotts. You need to build up interest in BW any way you can, including making this event a success. It is virtually inevitable that the event you want will happen and in the meantime you need to behave in a way that maximizes the chances of that event being a success when it does happen. Don't fill Twitch chat, etc, with negativity! Embrace everyone and whatever attention this event brings and plan for the future.
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