EPTOn December 16 2017 12:17 outscar wrote:
Let's hope Incontrol won't ruin this one.
Let's hope Incontrol won't ruin this one.
I'm ruining this one too and there is nothing you or that stupid dog can do to stop me!
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'm ruining this one too and there is nothing you or that stupid dog can do to stop me! | ||
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BWCL
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On December 16 2017 14:07 uT)WhistleR wrote: id rather see skills then peronality this. | ||
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noname_
466 Posts
On December 16 2017 11:24 niteReloaded wrote: maybe what they're admitting between the lines is: "foreign SC simply isn't fun anymore, so we gotta squeeze that nostalgia juice." ? watching foreign SC for me has sometimes felt like watching the paralympics. Even korean SC won't appeal to me that much if more top players leave (like bisu had to). :// What a comparison. Foreign BW is rather more like amateur 110 hurdles in my eyes, sure you won`t see times under 14 seconds, sure some will fall on the first hurdle, some may lose despite having an insormountable lead, but it`s all fun. | ||
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TT1
Canada10035 Posts
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Orite
Germany143 Posts
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Poegim
Poland268 Posts
On December 16 2017 18:36 TT1 wrote: where @liquidret at, draco needs some competition Ret said at his blog like month ago he throws sc in favor of sc2. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
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Cryoc
Germany912 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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deus_073
Romania187 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
Exception:  DracoWe gonna see Tastosis + incontrol do their circle-jerking memory lane nostalgia thing once again; missing all important pieces of action in the game, patting each other's shoulder and feeling very self-important. HINT: that special tactics reference doesn't get funnier after you heard it 200 times. Jesus, i loved White-Ra but today i'd rather see a caster talk about eon's or bonyth or dewalt's personality. Watch some Sayle if you wanna see some quality casts. On December 16 2017 09:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: What a reality check,been a top foreigner player after sc2 cames out means shit.since remastered 4 big events been made,not a single top foreigner was invited. yep. Must be incredible frustrating to you and other top foreigners, i feel for you! I should hope so, but i have zero faith you are right. It has been 3/4 of a year with SC:R now and we see the same iteration of the same BS again. i doubt there's legitimate interest to show foreign talent. On December 16 2017 12:57 halomonian wrote: as much as I love the nostalgia and getting to see day, arty, tasteless and geoff in the couch, i think its about time that they use their influence to get the current top foreigners some mainstream screen time. people like dewaltoss, eonzerg, sziky and many others who played this game through thick and thin Don't think they give a flying fuck about it tbh. Not that it matters, casters don't determine who is invited or not. On December 16 2017 19:10 Cryoc wrote: People should just take it for what it is, a talk show where some BW is occasionally played on the side for some reason. Like when the TV is on and no one pays attention to it. This event would draw the same amount of viewers, even if they played nothing at all. That's right. And im not gonna watch it either. If i need some BW entertainment that day, im sure i'll find Eon's stream  | ||
GTR
51576 Posts
On December 16 2017 17:47 Piste wrote: As a long time bw spectator I can see why Nony, Draco and White-Ra got invited. But I dont see why Jaeyun and Kawaiirice got invited over better or more well known players. Are they ex SC2 pros or something? they live on the west coast and probably were the only players available of a decent skill level on short notice | ||
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blackmanpl
68 Posts
of a decent skill level 'Decent' is a strong word to describe a bunch of players who have the same skill level as a newbie picking the game for the first time ^^ User was warned for this post | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway642 Posts
I think it's great that events like these are arranged. One of the things I enjoy about Remastered and that keeps me coming back, is precisely about nostalgia. And the players there (for the most part) are people who gives me that "fix". However, I do agree that simply discarding the best currents players and sticking to nostalgia is detrimental for progress. We won't be able to create a new scene, we'll simply be enjoying the sunset of our old one. If we don't lay the foundation for the next, there's nothing left. And that makes it rather understandable that many people are frustrated. Nevertheless, I don't agree that it's productive if this thread ends up with several pages of going in circles between "omg nostalgia noobs again" vs "stfu just enjoy it or don't watch if it's such a pain". I'm going to enjoy this event. I probably won't be able to watch it live, but I'm sure as hell gonna watch the VODs. Probably even of the SC2-content too, even though I don't really play it anymore. And should there come events where the new talent is playing, I'd love to watch that as well! Although when it comes to that, I think the more important focus should be "How can I contribute to make it happen"? There's already tournaments about. But we have all the tools to make an event happen. We just need people to make it happen. I'd love to help out, with what little I can, and if there's some more as well, there's no end to what we can make happen! So please. Search for solutions and what's best for the community, which I strongly believe to be stretching a friendly hand to the people you might not like, but would like to make room for nonetheless. | ||
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Cvitak46
Croatia52 Posts
I think this is a talk show that includes showmatches among friends, with a goal to have fun, have a laugh and play some BW. It is the same thing we would do with our friends at homemade LAN party. But this one is done by best casting duo in the world, included with best streamer in the world and a guy who has such personality that you love him or hate him. And accidentally they all have big fan base and they are all friends in RL. So if possible stop whining and complaining and take this show as it is and try to have fun watching  | ||
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ortseam
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So yeah, I too would prefer to have an actual tournament with proper qualifiers, this doesn't make this event any bad though, since it's intended to be different in the first place. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
This is an invitational by people who gathered the prize pool and hence can decide whom they want to invite and whom they do not. Their invitational, their rules, their invites. These guys work their asses off and have to argue with their superiors and sponsors to even get to the stage of officially organizing a tournament. People saying they arent going to watch (and hence boycott this event) are not only hurting themselves by not watching an amazing tournament but also hurt the whole SC:R scene in total. The less people are tuning in the less likely it is that we get another LAN event anytime soon. Sure you can bring up the valid criticism that there could be qualifier for this and people like Bonyth, Dewalt, eon and co deserve the attendance of LAN events in SC:R, but think about this. The prizepool of this invitational is 6000 USD, so I guess the total money pool for this event was about 15,000 USD. Can you invite 3 europeans and still have a LAN tournament with a sizeable prize pool when the flight alone costs about 1,500 USD for each of these players? Then you have to pay for the lodging and food for them and still pay the venue costs etc. etc. Could Twitch increase the total money pool for this event? Yes they can, but they will not until it is clear that SC:R can remain a constant high amount of viewer's to satisfy the sponsors. So in conclusion the more people tune into this event the more likely it is that there will be another event that might or might not have qualifiers. Also those people organizing this probably also have a lot of persuading to do and hard work behind the scenes. Let's not hate on them as a community, so they might be discouraged organizing further events in future. So you might tell them that their work is appreciated even though you bring up valid criticism (that is at least what I learned in school that if you want to criticize someone, you always also tell them what they did good). Thank you guys for organizing this invitational and your hard work BTS | ||
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deus_073
Romania187 Posts
As far as the casting, I can't believe I'm saying it, but I think I'd rather have Sayle. I love the old guard, but man ... they can go off the rails and never come back to relevant stuff. And when Day9 tries to chime in, I feel none of the other co-casters have his back. It's hard to explain, but the dynamic isn't there for me. | ||
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asel
Germany1601 Posts
Imagine in 2010 TSL 2 would've been invite only with FroZ, FiSheYe, Grrr.... and Artosis. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 16 2017 22:24 asel wrote: Well I can understand eonzerg's point. As an active BW player it must feel like a joke that you make such a nostalgia tourney with one of the biggest prize pools in foreign broodwar for the last 5 years. If anything broodwar tourneys have more like one-tenth of this prize pool. Still only one semi active player is invited. It feels like the current broodwar scene is completely ignored. Imagine in 2010 TSL 2 would've been invite only with FroZ, FiSheYe, Grrr.... and Artosis. yeah that comparison is about right.. Funny to imagine actually,  | ||
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