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Liquid`Drone
Norway28869 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
and there is less playing because the game is less comfortable to play because of the much too low quality of the online interface despite the public server thing which is huge tourneys tend to be quite closed, I rarely participate and this level of quality by the way IS really low. it's so bad it makes the 90s look like the future or smtg "harder better faster stronger" when we're freaking 20 years away from that. How does technology go backwards and you sell a remaster of the game that steps so far back as to fail working properly or consistantly in so many critical, yet basic elements of interface? of course we have every right to be pissed for that considering what the point of making SC:R was in the first place and that... we paid for it's gotten to a point where in 2017, some companies make it look like interfaces are advanced or modern by adding a bunch of superficial aspects and actually limiting the functionalities to a bare minimum. So you end up with something that looks modern, but is actually pretty basic shit. And then you have another layer of shit with even what's actually implemented doesn't even work consistently or is unable to respond at a normal speed or both, so that the functionalities that do remain end up being a lot less efficient anyway. What a time to be a gamer. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On November 13 2017 00:03 ReachTheSky wrote: The community tried to make it great with our own servers etc. Blizzard took that all away and re-released a sub-par game. Do not support blizzard. Bro, you do realize that those servers would have all gone to shit whether or not blizz had initial problems with SC:R release? If SC:R was perfect, those servers would have all gone down the drain. So how can you say that blizzard "took them away"? Those servers ONLY survived (they actually kicked ass for a long time) because Blizzard couldn't provide a better product. But now think, what does it say when a "dishonest" and buggy SC:R has single-handedly taken away the majority of the playerbase of all those servers and brought them to Bnet? It means blizz has provided something that those servers cannot and people like it. There haven't been this many people playing BW since the old days. That's a fact. Yes, SC:R has actually brought a lot more people back in and made it easier for people to play. What the community tried to do on their own for many years was great, but SC:R has made a tremendous impact as well and in a very short amount of time. They accomplished what the third party servers were trying to do and gave us HD as well (which is something no server was close to doing). I am not sure how that is splitting/dispersing the community. Imo, it actually brought everyone together under a single server. Yes, SC:R has a long way to go to be up to Blizz quality standards and what they released should definitely raise outcries. But to blindly say that this is all because of some maleficence on blizzard's part and that SC:R is a complete dud is farcical behavior. It does nothing for progressive discussion and only pits us against each other. I understand that some people have a deep mistrust of Blizzard and we won't ever agree, but ONE thing that we can surely agree and do together is to complain and constantly badger Blizzard about fixing the goddamn bugs, lag, lack of features, etc. Support doesn't simply mean giving $$$ and playing the game. Support can be telling Blizzard what is wrong with the game and what they need to fix. Tangible things that the devs actually have the power to work on. You ain't going anywhere if you're trying to mend Blizzard's "greedy" or "dishonest" culture, the devs can't do shit about that. But they can fix the freaking UI and so let's give them hell until they do. This is a great time to support blizzard in this manner, it's not a time to give up and quit. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 13 2017 15:56 Golgotha wrote: Bro, you do realize that those servers would have all gone to shit whether or not blizz had initial problems with SC:R release? If SC:R was perfect, those servers would have all gone down the drain. So how can you say that blizzard "took them away"? Those servers ONLY survived (they actually kicked ass for a long time) because Blizzard couldn't provide a better product. But now think, what does it say when a "dishonest" and buggy SC:R has single-handedly taken away the majority of the playerbase of all those servers and brought them to Bnet? It means blizz has provided something that those servers cannot and people like it. There haven't been this many people playing BW since the old days. That's a fact. Yes, SC:R has actually brought a lot more people back in and made it easier for people to play. What the community tried to do on their own for many years was great, but SC:R has made a tremendous impact as well and in a very short amount of time. They accomplished what the third party servers were trying to do and gave us HD as well (which is something no server was close to doing). I am not sure how that is splitting/dispersing the community. Imo, it actually brought everyone together under a single server. Yes, SC:R has a long way to go to be up to Blizz quality standards and what they released should definitely raise outcries. But to blindly say that this is all because of some maleficence on blizzard's part and that SC:R is a complete dud is farcical behavior. It does nothing for progressive discussion and only pits us against each other. I understand that some people have a deep mistrust of Blizzard and we won't ever agree, but ONE thing that we can surely agree and do together is to complain and constantly badger Blizzard about fixing the goddamn bugs, lag, lack of features, etc. Support doesn't simply mean giving $$$ and playing the game. Support can be telling Blizzard what is wrong with the game and what they need to fix. Tangible things that the devs actually have the power to work on. You ain't going anywhere if you're trying to mend Blizzard's "greedy" or "dishonest" culture, the devs can't do shit about that. But they can fix the freaking UI and so let's give them hell until they do. This is a great time to support blizzard in this manner, it's not a time to give up and quit. Blizzard has known about bugs and the shitty ladder problem for quite some time now, they haven't bothered to fix it. I'm beginning to think they don't care. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 13 2017 15:56 Golgotha wrote: Bro, you do realize that those servers would have all gone to shit whether or not blizz had initial problems with SC:R release? If SC:R was perfect, those servers would have all gone down the drain. So how can you say that blizzard "took them away"? Those servers ONLY survived (they actually kicked ass for a long time) because Blizzard couldn't provide a better product. But now think, what does it say when a "dishonest" and buggy SC:R has single-handedly taken away the majority of the playerbase of all those servers and brought them to Bnet? It means blizz has provided something that those servers cannot and people like it. There haven't been this many people playing BW since the old days. That's a fact. Yes, SC:R has actually brought a lot more people back in and made it easier for people to play. What the community tried to do on their own for many years was great, but SC:R has made a tremendous impact as well and in a very short amount of time. They accomplished what the third party servers were trying to do and gave us HD as well (which is something no server was close to doing). I am not sure how that is splitting/dispersing the community. Imo, it actually brought everyone together under a single server. Yes, SC:R has a long way to go to be up to Blizz quality standards and what they released should definitely raise outcries. But to blindly say that this is all because of some maleficence on blizzard's part and that SC:R is a complete dud is farcical behavior. It does nothing for progressive discussion and only pits us against each other. I understand that some people have a deep mistrust of Blizzard and we won't ever agree, but ONE thing that we can surely agree and do together is to complain and constantly badger Blizzard about fixing the goddamn bugs, lag, lack of features, etc. Support doesn't simply mean giving $$$ and playing the game. Support can be telling Blizzard what is wrong with the game and what they need to fix. Tangible things that the devs actually have the power to work on. You ain't going anywhere if you're trying to mend Blizzard's "greedy" or "dishonest" culture, the devs can't do shit about that. But they can fix the freaking UI and so let's give them hell until they do. This is a great time to support blizzard in this manner, it's not a time to give up and quit. no i don't realize or think that.. i think that fish would be alive and well if it wasn't for scr, and i could actually still play broodwar without having to resort to iccup.. i also don't see this "blizzard stamp of quality" that you keep alluding to, because i haven't seen a quality product from blizzard in about a decade. maybe i'm bitter because of the battered housewife relationship that was SC2 with its players, but i will believe absolutely none of blizzard's promises until they're in client and running for like a month. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 13 2017 14:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: I participated in WCG 2004, and it was probably my greatest brood war experience. And no, we haven't had anything like it for years. But the italian esports tourney and the Zotac tournament in the US are actually the closest things we've had for a decade - both tournaments throwing more money to the nonkorean community than any WCG cept 2003 ever did (not factoring in travel costs). I'm saying that SC:R has made the nonkorean tournament scene significantly better and indisputably so than it has been since SC2 was released, so since 2009 or whatever. And with the exception of WCG, 2001-2009 were also much worse than it is right now. And both as a player and a spectator, I'd rather have 4 tournaments per week with average prize pools of $100 than 1 tournament per year with $35000 for the top 3 (where koreans won between $20000 the entire prize pool every single year). In addition, it wasn't even possible to really follow the tourneys back then, some players would smuggle out replays, but there was no live broadcast.. You make it seem like the scene is growing, but it's actually the opposite. Here are the latest attendance numbers from the TL opens. This is just numbers from the TL opens, i'm sure other tournaments have taken a huge hit as well. It also only says how many registered, the number of players who attended is more than likely lower. I believe this 66%+ decline is largely due to blizzards inability to address issues with their game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/527355-tl-open-1 (Wiki)Team Liquid Open 1 175 registered (Wiki)Notforu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/527585-tl-open-2 (Wiki)Team Liquid Open 2 89 registered Ty2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/527829-tl-open-3 (Wiki)Team Liquid Open 3 87 registered (Wiki)Bonyth http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/527829-tl-open-4 (Wiki)Team Liquid Open 4 70 registered (Wiki)TrutaCz http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/528466-tl-open-5 (Wiki)Team Liquid Open 5 55 registered (Wiki)Bonyth | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On November 13 2017 12:34 SchAmToo wrote: tldr; CONTENT. I think podcasts are an awesome idea. They sort of became an integral part of competitive video game scenes and I think having one for StarCraft: Remastered would be excellent. Completely agree with interviews as well. I didn't really put a ton of thought or consideration towards building the community in social ways such as these. I think it makes a lot of sense, to be honest. I am also in agreement with Eriador's posts about there being a ton of opportunities and tournaments at the moment. It was something I even mentioned on my stream earlier that it is absolutely insane that Zotac is sponsoring a $20,000 tournament for the Americas when there isn't a ton of hard competition. There are now four clan leagues that I know of (SKTL, PATL, Gambit Cup, BWCL) as well as tournaments on a semi-regular basis (Clash for Char, Have At You, TLOpen, Zotac, ESL Weeklys, and a healthy dose of showmatches and invitationals). Even Ty2 has said in the SCC discord how action packed his weekend was. He participated in 4 events on Sunday alone, with a total of 14 matches. I think it is great how many opportunities we have, and I think podcasts, interviews, etc. would be an awesome addition to our already steady tournaments and events. Having something more personal and bringing personalities into the scene would be awesome. I miss the old foreign days when there were friendly and not-so friendly rivalries between players. As for Ty2/Eon/Trutacz/Bonyth/Dewalt/Dandy/Terror, I think it'd be awesome to hear some of their input on the matches they play and on their opponents because at the moment, these guys clash every week, and the only real dilemma is if trutacz and eonzerg can find their "g" key when they lose. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
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A.Alm
Sweden557 Posts
I played only against europeans on iccup with no more than 60 seconds wait-time per game, and iccup had a possibility for re-matching the same player (going bo7 or something). | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12043 Posts
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
What can you do as a community to improve StarCraft? Just as anyone can do with anything. Change your attitudes, get rid of the toxic people who can't. Do the best that you can with what you have and be honest with yourself. Be positive, make videos, get involved with tournaments, organize a LAN, report game bugs, use social media or [insert any of the countless of ways to talk to people on the internet] to find more people to play with, write some builds or articles, be welcoming to other people (especially new players). All of you seem more than passionate enough to make any of those happen if you really wanted to improve StarCraft and help it last another 20+ years, yet here it is, another thread filled with arguments about how SC:R/Blizzard/Activision destroyed blah blah blah. SC:R happened, the team is small (and was always going to be small, even I know that and I hardly know anything about this stuff), fish doesn't exist anymore, things aren't perfect, there are bugs, BW is free now, things aren't exactly the same as they used to be. Great. Things change. Get over it. Move on. Go do something meaningful. I know you're capable of it, and if you want things to get better, you have to do something about it. You, there, reading this, have to make something happen if you want things to improve. If your response to any of that is "why should I __ for a game that sucks", "why would we __ for a company that screwed us over", "this community doesn't deserve __", then leave. You obviously don't want anything to do with any of this unless it involves you acting like a fountain of hatred and bullshit. If you don't like the new menu, the staff, nor the new furnishings, (and you have nothing positive to say nor give that doesn't involve the aforementioned fountain,) then stop eating at fuckin' Tony's Kitchen. At this point, ol' Tony could care less about your business anyway. For everyone else, do what you can. A helluva lot of you genuinely love the game, and you particular passionate, positive, and supremely knowledgable people are the greatest thing any community can ever have. You are the only reason I even wonder about watching BW these days with everything else going on in my life, or keep looking at these threads. You are what get new people hooked and involved. You help make peoples' lives better in a way that nobody and nothing else in the entire universe can. If you have the means, then go make something. If not, well, really it just comes down to doing your best, being the best version of yourself that you can be. Or, if you don't believe me, then by all means continue making posts like half of the ones in this thread and see how that keeps going for all of you. It's your place after all, I'm just some random kid who's been walking by Tony's Kitchen on the way home every weekend since first grade, watching how it's changed over the years. | ||
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Netto.
Poland523 Posts
On November 13 2017 23:20 Qikz wrote: One thing I don't get here is do people really have to play ladder? Why not just host custom games like we did on iCCUP. I'm considering doing that just so I can play more maps. Because 99% of people who join such custom games are very low level pleyers or new players and it is difficult to get a decent level game there at some point. On iccup at least you immediately had displayed rank of player who joined your lobby. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
also expressing disatisfaction might get blizzard to move their ass instead of accepting getting screwed over and it possibly just staying that way, which is why your suggestion to "get rid" of those who won't "move on" is ridiculous that's what you get, not gonna do fake positivity | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On November 13 2017 23:20 Qikz wrote: One thing I don't get here is do people really have to play ladder? Why not just host custom games like we did on iCCUP. I'm considering doing that just so I can play more maps. whisper and friends list doesn't work, how are you meant to tell people the game name lol | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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Tanzklaue
Germany1420 Posts
maybe also be more open to accept new people into your just for fun 2v2v2v2 BGH games. | ||
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mca64..
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lestye
United States4214 Posts
On November 14 2017 01:48 mca64.. wrote: If Shitzzard offer me a job then i could clean this shit out. https://careers.blizzard.com/en-us/openings/all/classic-games/all/all/1 | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19368 Posts
...and scandalous photos of pro-gamers. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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