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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 10:43:23
November 14 2017 10:33 GMT
#121
On November 14 2017 09:17 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 09:02 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 14:06 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 05:26 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages

Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them.


Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit.

what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?


Brain server, fish server, all the servers from back in the day... It's no secret at all.

so there is no evidence. great.


Dude there was a thread within the last 30 days of blizzard shutting down a server lol. If you want to see evidence go look for it, I don't have time to do YOUR research for you. Don't be lazy.

Dont dude me. You are the lazy fuck if you just read the first post of a thread and consider that as evidence. I visit tl regularly and if proof isnt posted here i doubt it is on another english website.

I saw that thread from radiofish and, it didnt have any evidence of blizzard being behind it. It just looks to me people here want to believe like its blizzards doing without any evidence. Blizzard is just guilty as charged. lol.

So i ask again, is there any conclusive evidence that blizzard is behind the shutdowns of fish, brain etc. Probably not. But people here dont care about truth and more about jumping on the blizzard hate bandwagon like you.


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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
November 14 2017 13:48 GMT
#122
On November 14 2017 19:33 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 09:17 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 14 2017 09:02 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 14:06 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 05:26 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages

Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them.


Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit.

what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?


Brain server, fish server, all the servers from back in the day... It's no secret at all.

so there is no evidence. great.


Dude there was a thread within the last 30 days of blizzard shutting down a server lol. If you want to see evidence go look for it, I don't have time to do YOUR research for you. Don't be lazy.

Dont dude me. You are the lazy fuck if you just read the first post of a thread and consider that as evidence.

please excuse us, your majesty, but the incoming ban is long overdue.
Michael Probu
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
November 14 2017 15:56 GMT
#123
the lag on remastered is much much worse than fish was... laddering on fish i would maybe get 1/100 or 1/200 games where the opponent would just leave from lag, where as like every game on remastered ladder feels like i'm playing in downtown lima on a toaster
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
PorkSoda
Profile Joined September 2015
170 Posts
November 14 2017 17:20 GMT
#124
On November 14 2017 09:17 ReachTheSky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2017 09:02 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 14:06 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 05:26 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:
On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages

Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them.


Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit.

what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?


Brain server, fish server, all the servers from back in the day... It's no secret at all.

so there is no evidence. great.


Dude there was a thread within the last 30 days of blizzard shutting down a server lol. If you want to see evidence go look for it, I don't have time to do YOUR research for you. Don't be lazy.

There's no evidence that Blizzard was directly responsible for the closure of Brain server.
killanator
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States549 Posts
November 14 2017 17:31 GMT
#125
I do definitely think that we in the next couple of years will need to come up with our own solutions to problems Blizz will aparrently not solve for us...but

We also need to figure out how to get a younger generation, even a smaller one, into the best computer game ever made. At least it is free now, but most younglings are attracted by the flashy BS of LoL. If only a fraction could see the greatness that is BW...how can we show them?
DJ, put it back on!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
November 14 2017 18:12 GMT
#126
On November 15 2017 02:31 killanator wrote:
I do definitely think that we in the next couple of years will need to come up with our own solutions to problems Blizz will aparrently not solve for us...but

We also need to figure out how to get a younger generation, even a smaller one, into the best computer game ever made. At least it is free now, but most younglings are attracted by the flashy BS of LoL. If only a fraction could see the greatness that is BW...how can we show them?

Have kids. Raise them on Starcraft. Do your part and either start knocking women up or getting knocked up, whichever your human anatomy is capable of. My 6 month old has already had the privilege of watching Bisu get curb stomped by Flash and Bag'O'Builds.
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 19:17:03
November 14 2017 18:47 GMT
#127
On November 15 2017 02:20 PorkSoda wrote:
There's no evidence that Blizzard was directly responsible for the closure of Brain server.


SC:R is released in August, Fish and Brain close two months later. Both servers were running for almost 10 years. I guess you could stretch the phrase "directly responsible", but I think most people can see where the responsibility lies.

Now people are saying this may have been the last ASL... I see a pattern, we have 3 great ASL, then SC:R is released.
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1430 Posts
November 14 2017 19:07 GMT
#128
You know what to do... ^_._^
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SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
November 14 2017 21:08 GMT
#129
Am I incorrect in that not only did those servers lag less, but they also had ways to allow both Mouse Click + Keyboard Press to not interfere with each other. Or at least let the mod not be banned on those servers? I miss being able to do that in ICCUP.
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Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
November 14 2017 21:35 GMT
#130
Whine at Blizzard more. I can't even play ladder, it's too laggy.
PorkSoda
Profile Joined September 2015
170 Posts
November 14 2017 22:35 GMT
#131
On November 15 2017 03:47 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 02:20 PorkSoda wrote:
There's no evidence that Blizzard was directly responsible for the closure of Brain server.


SC:R is released in August, Fish and Brain close two months later. Both servers were running for almost 10 years. I guess you could stretch the phrase "directly responsible", but I think most people can see where the responsibility lies.

Now people are saying this may have been the last ASL... I see a pattern, we have 3 great ASL, then SC:R is released.

Blizz can be held responsible for what happened to fish if what fishradio said can be trusted. But the Korean government is specifically targeting private gaming servers. Both fish and brain would have been vulnerable to closure legislation against these types of servers went into effect this year. It's likely that neither would have survived because they were both well known.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 00:28:58
November 14 2017 23:03 GMT
#132
I did the only thing i could do to help improve BW, i made a post on blizz's forum

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20759398611

Here's the post if u dont wanna click the link, it's best to keep the discussion on their site tho:

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One of the most important aspects of BW which has suffered quite a bit (and there's been very little discussion about this) since the release of SCR is the social aspect of the game.

1) The foreign scene has been split into 3 different servers and imo we don't have the player base to support 3 servers worth of pub games (team games/ums's etc.). This is a non issue for koreans because they have a centralized server and a massive player base.

Having a consolidated server like ICCup did wonders for the foreign scene because it connected everyone and gave people a sense of community. It allowed them to have an active scene for 6-7 years post SC2 which is quite a feat for a 20 year old game with no dev support. What makes BW such a fun game is being able to join channels like ladder 1x1 or ladder 2x2 (on ICCup) and chatting with other players (as well as being able to play pub games etc.).

Sadly the player base is now split into 3 servers, can you imagine being a new player and trying to host or play a UMS game? It takes so long to find enough players to start a game, i don't think that's the type of 1st time experience we want newer BW players to have.

When someone logs into b.net they just sit in their regional channel, why can't we update the default channels (better options, maybe give it a new look) under the channel section to enhance the users social experience?

With the new ladder system coming out wouldn't it be neat to have different chat channels for w/e ladder rank you are (and lock the channels in order to incentivize people to rank up, make it feel like an achievement) in order to help players find other people to talk to and friend add? That's just 1 example of what we could be doing to help players connect with one another.

Tie the matchmaking system to a ladder channel, this would make laddering a more enjoyable (and less isolating) experience.

2) Segregated regional friend list. Not being able to stay in touch with your friends from EU (or your NA friends if you're European) is another big blow to the social aspect of the game. The BW scene is a niche community so a lot of the players have known each other for a long time. NA players have a lot of EU/KR friends and vice versa.

Not being able to stay in touch with your cross region friends via bnet makes for a more isolating gaming experience. We also lost cool features like friend notifications, whenever someone used to come online or join a game bnet would give you a notification.

I love the new friend tab and having the ability to follow friends into a game but those old features made you feel more connected to your friends. Friend message (/f m) was another really useful feature but i remember reading that the dev team was working on bringing it back, i'm not 100% sure about that tho.

Those are just a few things that i wanted to bring to light. In my opinion the social experience of a player is what ties him to a game so we should always look for ways of improving it.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
November 14 2017 23:12 GMT
#133
Did you then delete it? Cuz that link isn't working and I also can't see any new topic by tt1. :p
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 23:14:11
November 14 2017 23:13 GMT
#134
i edited something and it deleted my post, good thing i still had the page open

re-posted the link
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
November 14 2017 23:46 GMT
#135
REPLIED AS WELL, GOOD WORK
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-14 23:55:34
November 14 2017 23:53 GMT
#136
ERI UR POST IS GOOD, MAYBE COPY PASTE IT INTO THE FANCY BLUE THREAD?
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
November 15 2017 00:12 GMT
#137
Made a response also from my perspective.
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dM-White
Profile Joined February 2007
Chile340 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 00:26:39
November 15 2017 00:21 GMT
#138
I tried to made a response also from my poor english hahaha, good topic TT1
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-15 00:43:51
November 15 2017 00:31 GMT
#139
On November 15 2017 09:12 Qikz wrote:
Made a response also from my perspective.


sorry the link in my post is the wrong thread, copy paste ur post into this thread:

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20759398611

On November 15 2017 09:21 dM-White wrote:
I tried to made a response also from my poor english hahaha, good topic TT1


understood you perfectly, give yourself some more credit . thx for the contribution <3
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
dM-White
Profile Joined February 2007
Chile340 Posts
November 15 2017 01:01 GMT
#140
On November 15 2017 09:31 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 09:12 Qikz wrote:
Made a response also from my perspective.


sorry the link in my post is the wrong thread, copy paste ur post into this thread:

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20759398611

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2017 09:21 dM-White wrote:
I tried to made a response also from my poor english hahaha, good topic TT1


understood you perfectly, give yourself some more credit . thx for the contribution <3


All we want its our game to be enjoyable as it was before ... , i think that blizz need to delete scr from the blizz launcher and just make one server for us (west-east-europe) im so convinced that is the main problem with chat and old friends commands.... the fcking bnet2.0
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