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On November 12 2017 19:47 iFU.pauline wrote:
I give them credit for drastically improving mouse cursor, aside of that, we lost iccup and fish in the process and that is a big blow to the community, players are now all dispersed. The battle.net // ladder experience is of lower quality plain and simple. I guess this is an opinion from a westerner perspective because it seems Korean are having a good time due to their high number of players.
we haven't lost ICCup. Log on and play some games now, if you feel like it.
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I think he`s right: we basically lost it, since it`s became a desert - even by one month after SC:R. I can`t haphazard a guess how many players left there though, but I guess not that many. Everyone who was willing or wanted to stay with the StarCraft comminity was "forced" to switch over to BW:R because the sheer number of the players migrated there.
I can`t understand this though, since from the open beta it was pretty obvious that SC:R has a poor quality, yet, the major switch happened nonetheless, because of hype, because shortsightedness of the majority. Everyone who voiced the concerns were ignored. The issues we`re having now are consequences of the community`s own fault.
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How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages :-).
I enjoy it. I didn't play SC for 8 years, SC:R brought me back. Now I'm a BW noobie with 1800 MMR. What can we do as a community? Host tournaments, participate in tournaments, create interesting coverage and content and promote it. Thus bringing more people in -> more people -> better ladder 
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Honestly, we just need to extract the good parts of the new graphics from SC:R, get the OpenBW guys to fix the crappy parts of the new graphics, make the SB guys create a version 1.16 with the new fx version, and then just mass-migrate to SB. Easy peasy, problem solved!
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Edit: Nevermind, I was wrong. Remastered is buggy garbage.
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The community tried to make it great with our own servers etc. Blizzard took that all away and re-released a sub-par game. Do not support blizzard.
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On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages :-). I enjoy it. I didn't play SC for 8 years, SC:R brought me back. Now I'm a BW noobie with 1800 MMR. What can we do as a community? Host tournaments, participate in tournaments, create interesting coverage and content and promote it. Thus bringing more people in -> more people -> better ladder
This is the best comment so far
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On November 13 2017 02:34 ajmbek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages :-). I enjoy it. I didn't play SC for 8 years, SC:R brought me back. Now I'm a BW noobie with 1800 MMR. What can we do as a community? Host tournaments, participate in tournaments, create interesting coverage and content and promote it. Thus bringing more people in -> more people -> better ladder This is the best comment so far
Why would we want to host tournaments for a game that wasn't even properly released/properly maintained? Nearly all the old players that came back have already left due to blizzards inability to deliver/maintain a quality product. They basically said f*ck you to everyone and expect the fanbase to act like mindless drones and accept it. I regret purchasing SC:R even though I love SC.
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On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages
Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them.
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On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them.
Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit.
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Tony's Kitchen former fan
I don't like how they changed the menu, I've been a long-time customer, there are too many problems with it, the fish was burnt, the side dish tasted like it was microwaved, and the fact they've mislabeled their organic bread felt like they disrespect their customers. I feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
Tony's Kitchen apologist
Stop whining like a bitch, lmao. In my experience this is the best meal I've ever had since 1998. So what if they reduced the quality for higher profit. Tony's Kitchen saw a business incentive in remastering their menu.
No shit there are technical problems with the new menu, but what does your trivial speculation and distrust of Tony's Kitchen and their mislabeled ingredients have anything to do with fixing problems? What did you exactly expect? Tony's Kitchen to maintain the same level of quality for a 20 year old restaurant? I have a shitton of complaints against the new meals but I ain't gonna sit there and cry Tony's Kitchen is "disrespecting" me. Is everything a slap in the face to you, are you so easily hurt? But I guess you gotta relieve your pent up angst somewhere, so good luck on your crusade.
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On November 13 2017 03:51 Lazare1969 wrote:
Tony's Kitchen former fan
I don't like how they changed the menu, I've been a long-time customer, there are too many problems with it, the fish was burnt, the side dish tasted like it was microwaved, and the fact they've mislabeled their organic bread felt like they disrespect their customers. I feel like I didn't get my money's worth.
Tony's Kitchen apologist
Stop whining like a bitch, lmao. In my experience this is the best meal I've ever had since 1998. So what if they reduced the quality for higher profit. Tony's Kitchen saw a business incentive in remastering their menu.
No shit there are technical problems with the new menu, but what does your trivial speculation and distrust of Tony's Kitchen and their mislabeled ingredients have anything to do with fixing problems? What did you exactly expect? Tony's Kitchen to maintain the same level of quality for a 20 year old restaurant? I have a shitton of complaints against the new meals but I ain't gonna sit there and cry Tony's Kitchen is "disrespecting" me. Is everything a slap in the face to you, are you so easily hurt? But I guess you gotta relieve your pent up angst somewhere, so good luck on your crusade.
They made promises and failed to deliver. The ladder is unplayable for me. I have every right to be pissed off. What did I expect? I expected the "remaster" to be an improved version. Playability is marginally worse. It's the most important part of the game. Who gives a shit if they gave it a facelift if it isn't running properly. Easily hurt? They failed to deliver bud. Sorry but i'm not just gonna bend over and take up the poop shoot. The problems are on BLIZZARD'S END. There is nothing this community can or should do at this point to make up for blizzard's incompetence. It's up to BLIZZARD to make things right, not the community. Oh, Also, I don't care what you would do, We aren't the same type of people(I'm not an armchair though you seem comfortable being one).
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Norway28792 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:30 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2017 02:34 ajmbek wrote:On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages :-). I enjoy it. I didn't play SC for 8 years, SC:R brought me back. Now I'm a BW noobie with 1800 MMR. What can we do as a community? Host tournaments, participate in tournaments, create interesting coverage and content and promote it. Thus bringing more people in -> more people -> better ladder This is the best comment so far Why would we want to host tournaments for a game that wasn't even properly released/properly maintained? Nearly all the old players that came back have already left due to blizzards inability to deliver/maintain a quality product. They basically said f*ck you to everyone and expect the fanbase to act like mindless drones and accept it. I regret purchasing SC:R even though I love SC.
Amount of nonkorean tournaments has exploded in 2017 following the release of SC:R. In all of 2016 you had like, the teamliquid legacy starleague, the crispy cup, and some netwars tourney. Maybe some defiler.ru tourneys but it seems like they weren't that active in 2016. In the past 6 months, we started off with a bunch of haveatyou tourneys, then the filthy cup came along, then ESL started hosting weekly tourneys, clan SK has been hosting like 2-3 per week, (I think like 40 tourneys total by now), TLOpens are going, the italian ESports was the tournament on european soil with the highest prize pool ever, Zotac Cup in the US is the biggest we've seen for like a decade and yesterday's qualifier had viewer numbers peaking around 2500, Clash for Char is running every week and is super entertaining, RUS Brain Cup has started, [ReD] invitationals are running.. there are like four different team leagues that have been started/restarted (PATL, Gambit Cup, SK Team League, BWCL). I genuinely believe that for people outside korea who want to play or watch tournaments, the past 6 months has literally been the best period of the past 19 years - and I was active during every 'golden era' of the past. Player numbers have dwindled a bit for several of these, but I think viewership numbers are fairly consistent, and I have a couple friends who never really played bw but who started watching tournament streams and think it's amazingly entertaining.
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On November 13 2017 04:05 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2017 03:30 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 13 2017 02:34 ajmbek wrote:On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages :-). I enjoy it. I didn't play SC for 8 years, SC:R brought me back. Now I'm a BW noobie with 1800 MMR. What can we do as a community? Host tournaments, participate in tournaments, create interesting coverage and content and promote it. Thus bringing more people in -> more people -> better ladder This is the best comment so far Why would we want to host tournaments for a game that wasn't even properly released/properly maintained? Nearly all the old players that came back have already left due to blizzards inability to deliver/maintain a quality product. They basically said f*ck you to everyone and expect the fanbase to act like mindless drones and accept it. I regret purchasing SC:R even though I love SC. Amount of nonkorean tournaments has exploded in 2017 following the release of SC:R. In all of 2016 you had like, the teamliquid legacy starleague, the crispy cup, and some netwars tourney. Maybe some defiler.ru tourneys but it seems like they weren't that active in 2016. In the past 6 months, we started off with a bunch of haveatyou tourneys, then the filthy cup came along, then ESL started hosting weekly tourneys, clan SK has been hosting like 2-3 per week, (I think like 40 tourneys total by now), TLOpens are going, the italian ESports was the tournament on european soil with the highest prize pool ever, Zotac Cup in the US is the biggest we've seen for like a decade and yesterday's qualifier had viewer numbers peaking around 2500, Clash for Char is running every week and is super entertaining, there are like four different team leagues that have been started/restarted (PATL, Gambit Cup, SK Team League, BWCL). I genuinely believe that for people outside korea who want to play or watch tournaments, the past 6 months has literally been the best period of the past 19 years - and I was active during every 'golden era' of the past. Player numbers have dwindled a bit for several of these, but I think viewership numbers are fairly consistent, and I have a couple friends who never really played bw but who started watching tournament streams and think it's amazingly entertaining.
I was also active during the golden era, it was better then for sure. We had actual lans/wcg etc. Also, at least the game was playable back then. Nowadays the ladder lags like hell and apparently users on TL will shame you if you speak up about it lol. It's like the very opposite of "community" lol. Oh how times have changed. It is not wise to turn a blind eye to the elephant when it's staring at you in the face. The game needs serious fixing.
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Norway28792 Posts
WCG was literally one tournament per year. That was amazing for sure though, no argument there. And I'm sure there are some regions where the LAN scene was thriving and that that is missing now - I myself attended a lot of lan parties between 1998 and 2001, but that's not at all applicable to a global scene. The current tournament frequency however gives us something like 200+ online tournaments with prize money per year, not including team leagues. It's never been even close to that in the past.
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On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them. Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit.
what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?
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On November 13 2017 05:26 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them. Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit. what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?
lol do you understand the word "effectively?" I'm a fan of SC:R, but he's completely right about that.
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Hi! I know i'm new around this scene but I used to be in the StarCraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm scenes for a long time and grew quite a reputation in both of them. I'm close friends with a lot of people at Blizzard, esports in general, and the like and have a few ideas the community can use to help build our relationship with Blizzard to be a better one.
tldr; CONTENT.
- Podcasts
Blizzard actually loves well rounded, likable people in a podcast talking about their games. From the higher-ups to the engineers and CM's, they love a place they can go and listen to people talk about their game. I used to be part of a podcast for Heroes of the Storm where we picked apart and talked about every little thing that was going on in the game. Blizz especially used to love us for our patchnotes overviews because we gave very honest feedback on things. I used to honestly think Blizz hated us because how much we would openly criticize their decisions, but upon meeting their engineers themselves, I found out they loved the critical thinking aspect.
- More Player Interviews
Player interviews put into videos or large well published segments is another thing that, if promoted correctly, is something people will look at and get info from. Right now aside from korean players no one outside of those of us who watch tons of tournaments know who the stars of NA/SA/EU are. If we make more videos involving these players and put them in public places like bnet forums and reddit, and also talk about them more, it'll help get things across like TT1 not wanting to play anymore.
- BNet posts.
I don't know if you all saw, but someone cornered engineers at BlizzCon and the engineer said they only pay attention to BNet forum posts (lol?) because they don't know where else to look. I think we need to work on that sort of thing.
I'm a TO/Commentator/personality willing to help, but we all have to realize we can't do this relying on a small amount of people. The community has to start putting out a lot of content to show Blizz we are: invested, interested, and not just a bunch of people on a forum complaining
<3 Schamtoo
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On November 13 2017 05:26 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2017 03:47 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 13 2017 03:32 404AlphaSquad wrote:On November 12 2017 22:42 Dantak wrote:
How "What can we as a community do to improve StarCraft" turned into "What's bad with SC:R" in 3 pages Its the only thing that people do around here. Just whining and bitching about SC:R and blizzards secret agenda to ruin their favorite game. Its what you get after 19 years of inbred jokes and circle-jerking each others importance in a niche RTS forum of an even more niche game on the decline. There is bound to be some illusion of grandeur for most, even though nobody actually cares about them. Every single long time BW player has a right to be pissed off. They effectively killed off all the old servers and released a sub-par product. BW was fine for years and then blizzard had to do their thing and they turned it into a pile of shit. what server did they shut down and what proof do you have of it?
Brain server, fish server, all the servers from back in the day... It's no secret at all.
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On November 13 2017 04:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
WCG was literally one tournament per year. That was amazing for sure though, no argument there. And I'm sure there are some regions where the LAN scene was thriving and that that is missing now - I myself attended a lot of lan parties between 1998 and 2001, but that's not at all applicable to a global scene. The current tournament frequency however gives us something like 200+ online tournaments with prize money per year, not including team leagues. It's never been even close to that in the past.
WCG actually meant something. It was THE tournament that was open to the world. We don't have anything close to that anymore and haven't for years. I think it's accurate to say the majority of us played mainly for the prestige/glory back in the day. The online tournaments with prize money is great, i'm not knocking it at all, however, there isn't a tournament open to the world(that also wouldn't have insane lag issues because blizzard makes bad development decisions) that carries the same level of meaning/prestige. I resent blizzard for what they've done. They should have just left BW alone.
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