Looking for advice on some replays (P)

On August 27 2017 12:36 Frauenarzt wrote:
i dont wanna watch those reps so i will just answer to ur last questions (2gate pvp sux) (dt sux)

1) if u fe and z upgrades hatch early(on 2 base) its pretty obvious the only options are fast muta or fast lurker/drop but u could still scout it somehow if u run in with zeal or whatever
2) send 2 probes after that one ling = gg ? probably u have to micro the probe which gets attacked first once but thats it.
otherwise u would have to wait for the ling to attack ur mineral probes and u have to counterattack everytime and send them back when he runs away which probably wouldnt let u focus on the more important parts of the game
3) i just play 1 gate gas and scout with my first pylon probe vs all randoms

On August 28 2017 02:57 FlaShFTW wrote:
Hey I do a series called "analyze this!". PM me the replays you want specifically analyzed, maybe 2 is fine, and be specific about what you want help with. I'm making a new series to help newer players get better at the game and understand their mistakes.

On August 28 2017 03:59 FlaShFTW wrote:
I haven't looked at any since I've been busy and would like to receive a replay to cast rather than look for one from your 8 to cast. You know your games better than I do, so pick a few you want to see analyzed in depth and I can help you from there.

On August 28 2017 08:31 RealZork wrote:
Hi I had time to watch 3 games so far I focused on games you lost.

1. PvP you said you can play your DT more conservatively which I agree with. I would normally put one in the nat and one on the side and try to sneak in if the army moves out. Good thing about DT pvp is it doesn't notify opponent when you 1 shot probes so you can do massive damage. The reason he went robo and obs without scouting your citadel is because 2 gate robo expo is a strong safe build pvp on fighting spirit many people go that build so DT isn't the best idea usually.

Despite losing the 2 DT you take an early expo and if he doesn't pressure you are ahead. What you should do here is make 2 more gateways and pump goons then tech in some high Templar with the added income. You make a robo instead but since we know our opponent went robo one it's super unlikely he will make DT or dt drop you. And you stay on 2 gates for a very long time. At 9 mins he has 4 gateway and you have 2 and you can see his goon army is starting to get much bigger than yours. Another thing is utilizing your Templar tech and making high templars and storm. Psi storm is really good vs mass goon which your opponent is making.

You made some cannon in main which I wouldn't recommend but can be ok late game when storm drops are on the table.

I know people don't like hearing this but macro is the main issue here. 2 gate can't compete with 4 even with non stop production and 4 can't compete with 8. If your money gets over 1000 just build tons of gates. 8 or more. Ideally as a beginner you want to focus on spending your money on more gateways and more units if you can't spend it all with 6 gateways make 12 it's makes a huge difference to be able to build 15 dragoon rather than bank 2k minerals. All in all your probe production is great you need to practice building army quicker. I made a YouTube video about practicing macro and maxing army check it out it will help you.

4. PvZ you need to transfer a few probes to the expansion when it finishes. When losing your scouting probe pvz send another one out immediately scout for third and then go check main again. Your corsair is idle outside his base for a min not a huge deal but will help you spot those pesky mutualisk. Once you do scout Muta you NEED a canon in main near minerals and gas and one behind or near minerals at your 2nd base. You should also send all zeals to attack and pressure when mutha arrive in main. This will force Zerg to pull muta back or lose their expo it will help you buy time for more said and canon. Also transfer probes that are being attacked that don't have canon for defense transfer back when safe.

Again you need more gateways. It's ok if your macro slips and your money racks up but you need more gateways to spend that money asap. Make a rule of thumb i.e. 1000 minerals make 4 more gateway or something like that.

You are too focused on Sair DT and attack straight on the front door and lose all sairs. Sair DT is good for denying expos and harassing but the proper army composition for direct engagement is a mix of zeal goon and 4-5 high Templar.

In PvZ Zerg needs gas badly so always look to scout 3rd and 4th and put pressure on them or deny them. If you can do that and take a 3rd base yourself and keep your money down you will crush this Zerg.

5. PvZ this game you need to transfer some probe to your first expo as well. You make a lot of zeal early send a probe to scout what Zerg is up to. Again check for expos and natural. If he takes a base far you can pressure it easily with early zealot. Send those seals to his second base at 6:55 he has very little defense you can walk in and kill. If alternatively you see a bunch of defense no worries just back off. You have to pressure Zerg don't let him tech to lurkers freely like that. Soon after you attack his natural and he has 1 lurker 2 hydra but no wall. This is a great opportunity to run straight in his main. Instead the zeals get distracted and most die to the lurker.

You see muta but you need to add canon to your main just 1 or 2 would help a lot.

I know there's more things to talk about later in the game but I can see a pattern here that you need to work on. When you take your second base you lose focus on macro and it piles up as the game progresses. Your probe production is great but your army production needs work. Next time you play do this 2 gates 1 base 6 gates 2 base 10-12 gates 3 base and even more if you have 4 base. PvP make high Templar and goon vs goon and plz actively search for and deny third. Take a third shortly after your second or anytime you think your opponent is distracted. Transfer probes and make sure to protect them with 1-2 canon if you see Muta.

Hope this helps I'll do a video review as promised later!

On August 29 2017 04:37 RealZork wrote:
In the PvP game I didn't mean don't go expo after DT or mass gates if it fails. I meant to say even though your DT did no damage and you lost the ability to threaten him, you have an expo that puts you ahead unless he attacks. He was passive so you got it up free. Also I wouldn't recommend going reaver after DT. 1. Storm drops are a lot better and 2. It's apm intensive to try to harass but you need those actions to spend your income right now. You can incorporate reavers later and harassing but focus on building first it's more important.

On August 27 2017 06:55 SartPls wrote:

1) How the hell do I Scout for, or defend against, early game lurker Drops in my main? I legit just stand there and do nothing while trying to Panic-tech to observers at a time where I really shouldn't do that, but yeah.
2) If a Zerg tries a runby with Lings early, and gets one through into my main, before my first Zealot is out... Is it, at my Levels of micromanagement, worth trying to surround him and kill him with Probes? Or should I just "ignore" him, Focus on mining and wait for the Zealot to Pop out?
3) Is there any secret strategy or advice on what to do if you face someone who picked Random? Not knowing which race I face Limits me so much imo.

Once again, thanks a lot for any Reply already, and sorry for the Long post!

On August 29 2017 09:47 SartPls wrote:
I think I just played the craziest game of my life

PvP Ultra late game

On August 29 2017 20:12 Legionnaire wrote:
The first 10 minutes is all that really matters. Particularly for those who are learning.

Some of these things will seem petty. But i'm just listing the things i saw.

A) set your rally point closer to the minerals. You set it below the gas, hence quite far from the minerals. Set it close to the minerals but on the side (so that when you come back to it, they are easy to select without disrupting the other mining probes).
B) you let your probe die when scouting. Just gazillion shift click it around the base in big squares. else run it around.
C) you saw that he had a super late gas. Or even more basic - He was doing a totally different build to you (as you already had gas). Yet you didn't continue to scout, you didn't see what he was doing. Scouting really let you down. What would you do if he proxy gated you in your main?
D) Click on your nexus. Watch the probes building for the first 5 mins. there are gaps. (you did pretty good - but thats still something to work on)
E) your third pylon was in a useless location. Putting it next to the 2nd random location pylon adds nothing. You either add it in a diff location to get more building placement options. Or double up on your own gateway (so that you can survive if they try to kill that 1 pylon powering your production buildings)
F) Once again - your pylon in his base, saw that he didn't mine any gas until you had already mined 400. Yet you didn't try to find out why. Its either a rush of some sort. Or a fast expansion. You dont know which, so you can't counter properly.
G) You appear to dt rush as your default build. Its a win/lose gamble build. Not good for learning how to play.
H) Your pylon building is not optimal (in a timing sense) you had 25/41. Early game, you dont want to be wasting minerals on unnecessary pylons if you dont need to.
I) your dt rush build is very very slow. It took 38 seconds between your gate and cyber. and 19 seconds between cyber and citadel. Based on that your dts should have been almost a minute faster.
J) Your next scouting moment was only the dts arriving at his canon'd expansion. If you had sent a probe early you probably would have seen it, and could have killed it with your entire army (with dts behind).

At this point you are a long way behind. He blind countered you. And you had every opportunity to see it and failed to do so.

K) you are 59/98 in pylons why. you should be 59/ 6x
L) Build your random pylons around the edges of the base, they will give you vision in case of drops
M) You stopped making probes at a lot of times from the 4th - 10th minute
N) You built a random canon at your exp on the right for what reason? to stop a drop? a dt run by? yet nothing in the main. I'd rather a random canon in the main than that.
O) Your dt drop should have killed his nexus. It should have killed almost everything in his base on the left hand side. You lost 1/4 of the dts to a single canon. If you'd attacked the canon he would have had nothing on that side and you would have killed it all. Oh god. you lost all the dts for nothing.
P) its 12 minute mark. And you have no probes at your exp. and you are just building random canons around the place like him. Dont build random canons unless they have a purpose. Build units instead. Dragoons can chase down shuttles. Canons can't. I can run my shuttle around canons and can never die vs them. But i can't vs dragoons.
Q) You aren't spending minerals. You have almost 2k minerals. at the 12 min mark... when you have no probes...
R) Learn the default: 1 expansion = 6 gateways. 2 expansions = 10 gateways rule. That way you can spend money.

This is only 12 minutes into the game. If you did the above better. You would be almost 40 supply ahead of him at this point and he would have no base. (i did fast forward to the end just so i'd see which player you were. It did look like a fun comeback game)

In short:
- Just focus on building probes always. Forever. Until the end of time. Multi queued if you need to. More more more.
- Focus on scouting.
- Focus on countering their build. (you need to know what it is first)
- Focus on non dt builds (or faster dt builds)
- Focus on better base building placement and building timings.
- Getting more gateways out in conjunction with expansions.
- Spending your money.

Good luck.

On August 29 2017 16:43 GeckoXp wrote:
2) Don't worry too much about a single ling. Things get shitty when it's 3+ Speedlings and you have nothing to show for. Aside from that, always remember lower rated players usually don't get anything from their one ling in your eco. Even if you drop two probes, they usually do the same economy wise, as they focus on killing probes and forget to do their own thing. The more calm you are, the easier it will be for you to figure out how to cope with runbys. It really does depend on the situation at hand, so both can be correct: use Probes to stack and attack or wait for the first or even second Zealot (if he threatens to bust you with mass lings).


1) Scout for what is missing. Two hatcheries, Lair up and no third expansion gives you the hint. In this scenario two cannons in the main base and another one covering your expo minerals. Regardless of his follow up, he won't have much room to attack. He also invested in a gas heavy build, so he can't follow up, but you can do. If it really is a drop, all you have to watch out for is to not lose the initial cannons and slowly get to obs tech and mass Range Goon + Zealots.

3) Playing vs random is bullshit, as you will always be behind. It's a game of rock/papers/scissors. Rule of thumb here: it most likely comes down to a micro heavy game for Protoss vs R. Go for any one gate Core build, on large maps you might only get one Zealot, on smaller maps two or even three Zealots are the way to go. Adapt from what you scout. Again, same advice as before: lower rated random players are usually not too good either, so just surviving to the mid game is almost a guaranteed win.

On August 30 2017 10:25 Jealous wrote:
Just want to make the point that posting your victories has been frowned upon, generally, when looking for analysis of your replays.