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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On March 15 2018 05:45 Freakling wrote: What Afreeca is doing right now seems just desperate and chaotic, for whatever reason. The reason is it's fun and fans are eager to see the novelty. Goodness, people are acting like Sparkle is a permanent, FS level addition to the scene. It'll probably be gone after this season, well before play on it gets boring. | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
If you have any infromation that im not seeing on the stats of this maps I'd like to know. It is one of the most statistically balanced maps period, tau cross and blue storm are pretty high too, although I beleive that Blue storm is T favored. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/237_Fighting Spirit  Fighting SpiritThey dont have 100% accurate info calculated from every single game ever, but yes, Fighting Sprit is balanced very well. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 14 2018 20:54 Bakuryu wrote: and now a map where both get a natural base and then there is this single abandonned base in bottom right corner, but 7!!!! bases behind the gates. you dont even need to defend your natural, just take all the bases behind the gates..... but hey, atleast the bottom right base has a whooping 6 mineral patches. (top left has more bases than bottom right has mineral patches T_T) i dont even know what i should say anymore...... the map needs big changes just to be playable. and when that time comes, there will be max 2 weeks to actually prepare. great What is even your complaint? I don't even understand what you think is wrong about the map. If you have a gripe about a map at least have one that is reasonable, for example that you think it favors a particular race, or you think the games will be boring. Are you really complaining that one player can just "take all the bases" on the top left of the map as if both players won't be trying to do that? | ||
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ggsimida
1156 Posts
(perceived or otherwise) map imbalance being the key reason you lose is one of the most frustrating thing to conceive for a hardcore ladder player what seems fun and exciting for the casual spectator may be drab and shitty for the hardcore player and vice versa. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 14 2018 19:16 Terrorbladder wrote: Hahaha what the hell is this let me see. There's only one ground path between the two naturals. Only 1 resource node between them. 3 disabled installation doors separate the two bases and the ground paths from the rest of the map. Looks like another Z map, Z pretty much has a 3rd uncontested gas, and they can use units from Hatcheries to attack other expansions in the "locked" zone while P and T will have to use drops to attack. eh... a toss can just as easily float a probe through those gates as a zerg can a drone. Gateways/cannons also build faster than hatcheries so it's not like a zerg can get to the "other side" and crank out units before a protoss can establish a foothold. Zerg can build 1 of his first 3 hatcheries on the other side, true. But if a Protoss wanted to they could build 4 of their first 5 gateways on that side. Protoss fast expoing to the other side would be the end of the 3hatch hydra bust. Zerg can not bust into the main with cannons on that ramp and they definitely aren't busting the fast expo on the other side if they only have 1 of their first 3 hatcheries on that side. With corsair to dominate the air, a greedy fast expo, and the ability to throw down a bunch of cheap gateways on the other side of the map, I like P a lot more over Z on this map. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
Match fixing in WEGL, ASL5 Ro24. He has been suspected as matchfixing from SonicLeague to now. Also, Sky introduce matchfixing broker to Larva, but Larva was not related in matchfixing. 2 more players will be inspected. | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina246 Posts
On March 15 2018 12:33 K.H.J wrote: Sky is arressted on a warrant today. Match fixing in WEGL, ASL5 Ro24. wait, what? he matchfixed during WEGL and in the Ro24 of ASL5? come on this is ridiculous, another match fixing scandal is just starting? please no... so he lost to shutle on purpose? that game looked like a straight build order win from Shutle, in case match fixing hapened Shutle may be involved too? This gotta be not true...  | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina246 Posts
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
edit: undermines the competitive integrity of the whole league... you suck Sky | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina246 Posts
|Maybe it would be adecuate to just assume we humans are little sad broken beeings, understand BW is just another thing humans do and thus this garbage is just expectable and get over it, I dont know... | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On March 15 2018 11:34 Gorgonoth wrote: If you have any infromation that im not seeing on the stats of this maps I'd like to know. It is one of the most statistically balanced maps period, tau cross and blue storm are pretty high too, although I beleive that Blue storm is T favored. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/237_Fighting Spirit Fighting SpiritThey dont have 100% accurate info calculated from every single game ever, but yes, Fighting Sprit is balanced very well. fs is pretty massively t>z since the mech switch was figured out check modern matches via korean amateur on tlpd or sponbbang | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina246 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10721 Posts
On March 15 2018 13:29 LocoBolon wrote: And now all the shit all the toxicness that comes with it all the unclassy demeaning, detrimental wave of garbage that is to come and of which I'm already part of with my hate comments it's making me sooooo depresed. This is soo fucking pathetic, over and over again. I think you will survive, these sort of things happen in professional sports all the time, especially with all of these young gamers in eSports, and how the BW scene has no pro teams and such right now, i'm not surprised this is happening really. I still will love the game and continue to play, it is just sad. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12041 Posts
On March 15 2018 12:57 LocoBolon wrote: wait, what? he matchfixed during WEGL and in the Ro24 of ASL5? come on this is ridiculous, another match fixing scandal is just starting? please no... so he lost to shutle on purpose? that game looked like a straight build order win from Shutle, in case match fixing hapened Shutle may be involved too? This gotta be not true... What in any of this has got anything to do with Shuttle? Please do not start throwing accusations around when there's no need to. The llast thing we want is TL to turn into a witch hunt. | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On March 15 2018 17:58 tanngard wrote: I really had faith in you Sky. You were the ONLY new name protoss that got something really good going for you. God damn you are so talented and we protoss fans needed to believe in you. Quite a few new names have emerged in post kespa era, but for some freak reason they have pretty much never been protoss users. I cared about you because i thought you cared about bw. Because you were the sole representative of protoss "new blood". And now you gone and shit all over the effort you put into this game and all the people who had faith in you. I can't believe it. Why even root for Sky when there's Rain! They entered the BW scene around the same time back in 2010 | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On March 15 2018 19:23 orvinreyes wrote: Why even root for Sky when there's Rain! They entered the BW scene around the same time back in 2010 Because he was still a new name for a lot of people watching ASL and he was improving steadily and had yet to prove himself since before the sonic era really got rolling. I pretty much root for any protoss player, so of course i love Rain. | ||
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Freakling
Germany1533 Posts
On March 15 2018 10:27 darktreb wrote: Novelty just for novelty's sake and fun from watching the chaos unfold? Never a good idea. If for some reason Sparkle (or some other of these maps) became a reappearing standard over multiple seasons, that would at least be testament to its virtues as a map and that something went terribly right with Afreeca's map policies.The reason is it's fun and fans are eager to see the novelty. Goodness, people are acting like Sparkle is a permanent, FS level addition to the scene. It'll probably be gone after this season, well before play on it gets boring. But how long do you think an audience will keep interested in this kind of development if ultimately the competitive aspect suffers from it? Virtually no one wants the era of grinding FS/CB ad nauseam to continue forever, in fact most people don't want to see games on these maps any more, so don't pretend this is what people take exception to. There are just better, more organic ways to incentivise change and evolve meta and map pool. We now have an absurd situation where Afreeca and the Korean map making scene are still years behind the curve when it comes to even observing their own stated basic quality standards for map execution, but want to revolutionize the game with maps that look overall poorly thought out and hastily thrown together. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6967 Posts
On March 15 2018 20:53 Freakling wrote: Novelty just for novelty's sake and fun from watching the chaos unfold? Never a good idea. If for some reason Sparkle (or some other of these maps) became a reappearing standard over multiple seasons, that would at least be testament to its virtues as a map and that something went terribly right with Afreeca's map policies. But how long do you think an audience will keep interested in this kind of development if ultimately the competitive aspect suffers from it? Virtually no one wants the era of grinding FS/CB ad nauseam to continue forever, in fact most people don't want to see games on these maps any more, so don't pretend this is what people take exception to. There are just better, more organic ways to incentivise change and evolve meta and map pool. We now have an absurd situation where Afreeca and the Korean map making scene are still years behind the curve when it comes to even observing their own stated basic quality standards for map execution, but want to revolutionize the game with maps that look overall poorly thought out and hastily thrown together. but most of foreigner maps are a copy paste of FS CB,look at Jukado maps,they are always some FS variation,and nothing wrong with that,at some point i thought FS was the perfection of maps and proly like chess will be the only map relevant,then mech switch did happen,so a map likes dantes peak is a better option.the new maps are chaos yes,i dont even think they are looking at balance anymore.Flash is gonna win ASL 5,atleast lets make it different. | ||
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