• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:14
CET 11:14
KST 19:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !8Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle screp: Command line app to parse SC rep files How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1442 users

Up to date build orders?

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
muzzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States640 Posts
March 27 2017 16:16 GMT
#1
So with BW being revitalized, I am looking for a source of current build orders/strategy. Anyone have good recommendations? I'll probably either play Z or T, if that helps at all.

Been many years since I played BW even somewhat seriously, so I have forgotten pretty much all builds...
ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
March 27 2017 16:37 GMT
#2
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_Strategy
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Terran_Strategy
JANGBI never forget
muzzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States640 Posts
March 27 2017 16:55 GMT
#3
Ah, of course, liquipedia. Didn't know if that was current for BW. I know it was often a bit out of date with SC2.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 27 2017 16:56 GMT
#4
liquipedia is crap. im sorry but it's crap at the moment. i would do a search query in the bw strat section. i've asked so many questions on here and i am sure you will find great and a bit more indepth stuff.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
March 27 2017 16:59 GMT
#5
On March 28 2017 01:55 muzzy wrote:
Ah, of course, liquipedia. Didn't know if that was current for BW. I know it was often a bit out of date with SC2.

It's a great starting point for sure. Grab a build order and learn the starting stages. Watching reps and on maps that feature similar build orders will help a ton too. In regards to strategy it's such a broad subject I suggest what was written in the previous sentence, watching tons of reps on the same map until you understand what the player of you race was going for. And also, hit up Brood War strategy forum with all your questions as it is actually quite active.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ionONE
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany605 Posts
March 27 2017 17:01 GMT
#6
But it explains the basics for each match up, considering he didn't play for years i don´t think its "crap".
You have to start somewhere and build orders even have annotations/supply count etc next to it.
JANGBI never forget
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
March 27 2017 17:24 GMT
#7
I second that liquipedia is bad atm, however there's no alternative. Best you can do is go to zimp's replay thread and download some pro reps for the race you want. Most games have standard BOs anyways (at least if they're on FS), so you can watch, write it down and learn
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
March 27 2017 17:24 GMT
#8
Use the simple questions thread as well
Netto.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland523 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 17:30:11
March 27 2017 17:27 GMT
#9
I agree that liquipedia is bad atm, however there is this pretty section on the ride side of the website presenting all kinds of Brood War Korean progamers. In my opinion it is the best learning place right now.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-27 17:39:27
March 27 2017 17:39 GMT
#10
For the people saying Liquipedia is crap: what is wrong with it, and how would you go about fixing it?

I'm curious because as a person who has played and watched the game for a long time, I think it is a great place to pick up some optimized build orders. Some pages are a little minimal or lacking in application/theory of build selection, or are "outdated" in the sense that those builds are less popular nowadays without that being indicated on the page. I agree with that. But to a newcomer, doing a good Siege Expand is accessible because of Liquipedia, despite it perhaps being a little less "modern" or "optimal" than an FD.

People slinging their slime at Liquipedia can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. The choice is yours.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States347 Posts
March 27 2017 17:50 GMT
#11
You only need three things to learn build orders:

1) Replays - this thread has pro and semi-pro games from the last few years of the Kespa era as well as high level amateur replays from the SOSPA era.

2) Afreeca FPVODS - a vod archive of recent ladder games and sponsored matches between ex-pros streamed on Afreeca for free!

3) A notepad + pen.

Besides that, like people said, use the simple questions thread for questions on why you lost and perhaps join some of the lower level leagues like CPL or Rookie league (see BW tours section).
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
March 27 2017 17:55 GMT
#12
The solution to a bad Liquipedia is to just edit it yourself lol. You'd have to do some research and put in some time but it's can be done. But you have to confidently know your stuff.

Another great thing to do to learn build orders is to look at pro streams and write down what they do. Take into account what are adaptations and what is the actual build. But if you follow Flashs openings in Tvz and TvP for example you will realize you are setting yourself up for an inherent advantage over any player who is not doing an efficient build against you.

Some ideas for some basic builds you can look into

I think learning 5rax in Tvz is important
Also learning how to set up for a mech switch, maybe doing a 4rax +1 weapons
2 port Wraiths tvz
Fantasy build tvz (1 fact 1 starport into mech, building 4 vults and then into dropship, expand while you harass, defend with mines)

Zerg 9pool, overpool, 12 hatch, etc.
3 hatch spire into hydras zvt
3 hatch lurkers zvt
2 hatch spire aggressive play

5hatch spire against traditional bisubuild zvp
Don't know too much zvp

TvP has a lot of openings
2 fact
FD push
Fast expand 14cc (really greedy)
1% of games you can go deep6 to keep things fresh lol
Siege expand
There are plenty more...
www.broodwarmaps.net
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1660 Posts
March 27 2017 17:58 GMT
#13
pool5 is known for its longevity
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10253 Posts
March 27 2017 17:59 GMT
#14
One thing I'd like to add into consideration with the post above: be realistic when selecting build orders.


Just because Flash can get away with a 14cc vs. A pool - first Zerg, you may not. Because you are not Flash. Try to use critical thinking or the search function on TL to determine what builds suit your playstyle and skill level.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
March 27 2017 18:10 GMT
#15
I think it is Liquipedia is slightly outdated :/ . Try to watch some FPStreams here: https://bwstreams.appspot.com/ or recordings here: http://korhal.info.pl/#/korhal and you will see the current meta. Try to steal some BOs :D
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4338 Posts
March 27 2017 18:44 GMT
#16
There are more MODERN build orders I agree but for brand new players who will be vs other brand new players, this is a great jumping off location.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 197
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3526
Rain 1659
actioN 745
Bisu 664
Calm 542
Pusan 337
Shuttle 301
Mini 233
Soma 231
Killer 183
[ Show more ]
Horang2 159
Rush 111
sorry 70
Dewaltoss 63
Bale 44
Mind 43
soO 39
Mong 37
ggaemo 36
JYJ 31
NaDa 25
Barracks 24
Sacsri 16
Noble 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
910 9
Terrorterran 8
SilentControl 6
Shinee 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe156
League of Legends
JimRising 416
C9.Mang0402
Counter-Strike
summit1g6496
olofmeister1206
shoxiejesuss728
allub175
Other Games
ceh9628
crisheroes352
XaKoH 157
Trikslyr20
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen21
League of Legends
• Jankos2379
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
46m
ByuN vs Creator
Clem vs Rogue
Scarlett vs Spirit
ShoWTimE vs Cure
OSC
3h 46m
Big Brain Bouts
6h 46m
YoungYakov vs Jumy
TriGGeR vs Spirit
The PiG Daily
10h 46m
SHIN vs ByuN
Reynor vs Classic
TBD vs herO
Maru vs SHIN
TBD vs Classic
CranKy Ducklings
23h 46m
WardiTV 2025
1d
Reynor vs MaxPax
SHIN vs TBD
Solar vs herO
Classic vs TBD
SC Evo League
1d 2h
Ladder Legends
1d 8h
BSL 21
1d 9h
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.