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Hungary3932 Posts
On December 20 2016 12:30 EmuSirius wrote: I am trying to make a little BW enhanced mod named "StarCraft Caprice",here are some features I thought: [...] 4. slight game balance change I'd seriously reconsider doing this. You're opening a can of worms, and the graphical updates would make this a very interesting mod on their own. | ||
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LML
Germany1771 Posts
On December 21 2016 03:51 thezanursic wrote: If I had to change something, I'd buff Dark Archons, Queens and Ghosts a bit, soo that they saw SOME competative play. Those units might as well not exist in the competative sense. Increase starting energy of all those units by 50. Increase Ghosts HP by a bit, don't see this having a negative impact on the game, worst case scenario Queens become legit option in lategame PvZ 1. Dark Archons and Queens both see competitive play. 2. The reason Queens and Ghosts are not used more is because it just adds more complexity, having to use the abilities on top of controlling a lot of units is too much even if you have 300APM. 3. If you want units to have more starting energy simply research the max energy upgrade, it may only give 12.5 more energy, but that's more than enough in most cases. And having units come out spell ready would be ridiculous in too many cases. | ||
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ilsamsamchil
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On December 21 2016 08:38 ilsamsamchil wrote: my eye hurts after scrolling down I had the same feeling. | ||
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notgayDragon
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
On December 21 2016 05:12 538 wrote: I'd seriously reconsider doing this. You're opening a can of worms, and the graphical updates would make this a very interesting mod on their own. Agreed. Once you touch game balance it is essentially no longer the BW that people love (but then again this is a mod). In the end the option is up to you if you want to fiddle with balance, but even changing numbers slightly makes the game different than BW. If you for some reason want to change more complex things (like pathing or unit properties or even tile properties, etc.), there's no telling what the side effects could be. Maybe changing one little AI behavior leads to unforeseeable ramifications somewhere else in the game... how would you know for certain that it did or did not change anything? Another point: Even if the game could be balanced better, doing so leads a big chance that less people will be interested in using the mod. Even if it's better, less people will touch it... because it won't be BW anymore. BW game balance is a sacred thing to some people. I kinda see it like the dilemma for those in the hip hop community: sell out for the popularity/money/fame, or stay faithful to yourself but be ok with not blowing up or your work not catching on. Except here, it's less certain if game balance is even needed (could go either way, honestly). And yes, the color saturation is a bit much. | ||
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thezanursic
5492 Posts
On December 21 2016 05:22 LML wrote: 1. Dark Archons and Queens both see competitive play. 2. The reason Queens and Ghosts are not used more is because it just adds more complexity, having to use the abilities on top of controlling a lot of units is too much even if you have 300APM. 3. If you want units to have more starting energy simply research the max energy upgrade, it may only give 12.5 more energy, but that's more than enough in most cases. And having units come out spell ready would be ridiculous in too many cases. No we don't Queens sometimes get used but not often enough precisely because it takes too long for the firstbroodling. I believe that even with 50 extra energy it would still take a few seconds before they could get used. And Dark Archon are a joke BM unit. Starting energy is literally the most liberal buff possible. If you think that this would make queens OP you've clearly never played BW | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
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LML
Germany1771 Posts
On December 21 2016 17:00 thezanursic wrote: No we don't Queens sometimes get used but not often enough precisely because it takes too long for the firstbroodling. I believe that even with 50 extra energy it would still take a few seconds before they could get used. And Dark Archon are a joke BM unit. Starting energy is literally the most liberal buff possible. If you think that this would make queens OP you've clearly never played BW Dark Archon a joke BM unit? Maybe on D-, but in PvP and PvZ Dark Archons are used to counter high templars and defilers | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10219 Posts
On December 20 2016 12:47 [[Starlight]] wrote: Not entirely true. But it is true that of the ppl who want even slight balance changes, they can never seem to agree on what those should be. So, Blizzard would have to make any of those type of changes. The only balance changes should be making scouts either faster or cost 25 minerals less. Any more than that and brood war is no longer the same anymore. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On December 21 2016 17:00 thezanursic wrote: No we don't Queens sometimes get used but not often enough precisely because it takes too long for the firstbroodling. I believe that even with 50 extra energy it would still take a few seconds before they could get used. And Dark Archon are a joke BM unit. Starting energy is literally the most liberal buff possible. If you think that this would make queens OP you've clearly never played BW imo this balance change would be terrible, really terrible. Zerg has so many larva comapared to lets say terrans factories with machine shops. So if every queen of yours can trade against one tank, you will win. What a lame gameplay this would be. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On December 21 2016 18:47 FlaShFTW wrote: The only balance changes should be making scouts either faster or cost 25 minerals less. Any more than that and brood war is no longer the same anymore. This. Making scouts slightly faster would actually be cool imo. | ||
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LML
Germany1771 Posts
On December 21 2016 19:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This. Making scouts slightly faster would actually be cool imo. they have an upgrade for that | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50534 Posts
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No Swear
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 21 2016 19:04 Foxxan wrote: imo this balance change would be terrible, really terrible. Zerg has so many larva comapared to lets say terrans factories with machine shops. So if every queen of yours can trade against one tank, you will win. What a lame gameplay this would be. I doubt that would happen considering how gas reliant zerg is. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On December 21 2016 17:00 thezanursic wrote: No we don't Queens sometimes get used but not often enough precisely because it takes too long for the firstbroodling. I believe that even with 50 extra energy it would still take a few seconds before they could get used. And Dark Archon are a joke BM unit. Starting energy is literally the most liberal buff possible. If you think that this would make queens OP you've clearly never played BW We just saw Queens being used this season by Effort to counter mech, and it has been shown to be effective already in the pro scene... | ||
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thezanursic
5492 Posts
On December 21 2016 18:36 LML wrote: Dark Archon a joke BM unit? Maybe on D-, but in PvP and PvZ Dark Archons are used to counter high templars and defilers http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Dark_Archon#Notable_Games Here is an extensive list of games where Dark Archons were used. You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10219 Posts
Someone plays with scouts a lot  but for real i had no idea haha. Then yeah make them like 25 minerals cheaper haha | ||
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