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On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote:
Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill).
Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Not sure who you are exactly talking to. I agree the part where you said no one won't care. Other parts, no. You can't compare from their generation to current generation, and if you are comparing me with foreign players, no thx. It's not i'm disliking foreigners. It's just not right to compare Koreans with foreigners like SC2.
I'm going to assume you are talking about me so, let me say something to you.
idk what made you to assume I'm looking forward to get fames/respects and try to be funny and provoke someone?
People were here to see a nice showmatch after I made a statement that dong is not A/S rank zerg, and I should be able to take down koget 14-0.
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People do care or this thread would never have existed. The show match was awesome and I think Scan proved if he took it a little bit more seriously, he would have 14-0'd Koget. (I only saw the first loss though, maybe I'm wrong about Koget not being able to take a single game).
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On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote:
Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill).
Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
This was just an unnecessary post and actually isn't even true.
1) Scan played 4am his time. I'm pretty sure no one can play full caliber when it's actually time to sleep. He did this so him and koget could agree on a time to play. This is considered good sportsmanship / being GM.
2) You say "all good foreigners stopped playing" ... Sure, SOME of the good foreigners from past did stop playing, of course. But you do realize players from this generation are actually just as good IF not better. If you recall there was old school vs. new school tournament 1-2 years ago. Old-school players even trained for several months and they got completely demolished. The styles are different, game play is different, etc. Can't make the comparison and all I'm saying is, don't discredit players of today. You will be very surprised.
3) You say "for their pure skill." - So foreigners achieving/maintaining E/D rank Fish is not "pure skill?" What Scan has achieved is not "pure skill" ? This statement literally made no sense at all lol.
4) Scan isn't trying to be funny or provoking as Mistrzzz used to be. Understand the context of this showmatch and why it happened. Scan simply said that dong222 14-0 koget isn't really that impressive and also mainly to prove he's not a B rank zerg. If you ask me, even though Scan did lose a few matches out of 14, I think he still proved his overall point. This is Scan's off race playing at 4am and he only dropped what, 3 matches? I'd say Scan proved his point pretty well.
Bye.
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The actual show match was fun, then the inevitable off-topic flame show up randomly for some reasons =/.
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Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.
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On October 10 2016 01:03 Jae Zedong wrote:
Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.
He didn't win the bet. But he did prove to an extent that dong222 isn't B rank zerg. Scan was winning pretty easily as well with OFF RACE at 4am.... We don't know if dong222 played in same condition and it's also safe to assume that Zerg is Dong's main race. So the conditions will never be exact.
I didn't say Scan proved it 100%, I said he "proved it pretty well." I'm standing by this.
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On October 10 2016 01:09 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 01:03 Jae Zedong wrote:
Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned. He didn't win the bet. But he did prove to an extent that dong222 isn't B rank zerg. Scan was winning pretty easily as well with OFF RACE at 4am.... We don't know if dong222 played in same condition and it's also safe to assume that Zerg is Dong's main race. So the conditions will never be exact. I didn't say Scan proved it 100%, I said he "proved it pretty well." I'm standing by this.
Dong is 92-0. We have no reason to believe he isn't a B zerg except Scan's visual inspection of his Muta micro. As if Muta microing on iccup from Korea with 1 second lag proves anything.
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Why people hating so much. It was mainly for laughs and giggles and a few dollar bills. Everyone won. We got our entertainment, koget got his money, scan got more popular/recognition.
Although scan didn't get the money he got something that i would consider more valuable and that is recognition and followers.
Nice matches guys, thanks for stepping up and actually going through it, was extremely fun to watch.
Haters will hate for personal reasons. Best thing to do is ignore these people and enjoy your day cause nothing good will come from arguing. More often than not salty people are very arrogant and near impossible to sway to see things from your point of view.
Thanks for the show fellas!
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Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
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On October 10 2016 01:15 Cheesefome wrote:
Why people hating so much. It was mainly for laughs and giggles and a few dollar bills. Everyone won. We got our entertainment, koget got his money, scan got more popular/recognition.
Although scan didn't get the money he got something that i would consider more valuable and that is recognition and followers.
Nice matches guys, thanks for stepping up and actually going through it, was extremely fun to watch.
Haters will hate for personal reasons. Best thing to do is ignore these people and enjoy your day cause nothing good will come from arguing. More often than not salty people are very arrogant and near impossible to sway to see things from your point of view.
Thanks for the show fellas!
This.
Scan, don't waste your time on ungrateful people who don't know their asshole from their earhole. The event was a huge success for everyone involved IMO, and would love to see more.
EDIT: Also if there is any more support for Bonyth vs. Scan besides mca64, I'll make the thread. Bonyth, if you're seeing this, would you be interested?
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Norway28815 Posts
protossgg I'm not really commenting on 'old school vs new school foreigner skill' or whatever, but if you think the oldschool players 'trained for several months', you're incredibly off. I think for mostly everyone competing, the preparation lasted between 2 days and 2 weeks, with more players being on the low end of that. The oldschool players who did the best in the tourney also coincided heavily with the oldschool players who had been playing sc2 professionally - basically, the players who never really stopped playing rts were the ones who did by far the best.
not just that, but the old school vs new school 'tournament' was basically a king of the hill vs sziky, where sziky first beat 4 of the old school players, and then 3 of the best new school players - and sziky was one of the top dogs even before sc2 was released.
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Actually I don't want to hate anyone. I don't even care if he is on Flash lvl or if he has the skill of some bnet fastmap player.
I just think it looks pretty dumb to hijack a thread and say that a guy who went 92-0 isn't near being good.
On top of that making a statement like "from what i saw on the replays I am sure I can beat the guy who lost vs the 92-0 guy 14-0 with my offrace".
Then - AFTER FAILING - complaining about having to play offrace (which was his and noone else idea?) and about the time of the showmatch (after agreeing and being offered other times!), makes him just look like a bad loser.
All I am saying is, that the way he acts makes him look a really bad loser.
Finally, in my personal opinion the only haters are the people who keep saying that 92-0 is not impressive at all.
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It was a nice showmatch, thanks a lot to both players and people who chipped in.
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Norway28815 Posts
also would like to thank both players, I was enjoying watching! 
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On October 10 2016 01:44 AmstAff wrote:
Actually I don't want to hate anyone. I don't even care if he is on Flash lvl or if he has the skill of some bnet fastmap player.
I just think it looks pretty dumb to hijack a thread and say that a guy who went 92-0 isn't near being good.
On top of that making a statement like "from what i saw on the replays I am sure I can beat the guy who lost vs the 92-0 guy 14-0 with my offrace".
Then - AFTER FAILING - complaining about having to play offrace (which was his and noone else idea?) and about the time of the showmatch (after agreeing and being offered other times!), makes him just look like a bad loser.
All I am saying is, that the way he acts makes him look a really bad loser.
Finally, in my personal opinion the only haters are the people who keep saying that 92-0 is not impressive at all.
This. I don't care how good Scan is, and 11-3 as offrace is certainly impressive.
But dong's win ratio of 92-0 is so off-the-charts good that it's silly to claim he's average (by Korean standards) just by watching him microing with high ping. Not dropping a single game out of 92 certainly indicates exceptional skill.
Hell, even something like 92-5 would have been an entirely different ball park than 92-0.
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Time for Scan to proove another point and go 92-0 by himself on ladder. If he uses his main I think he can do it no problemo. I don't know about offracing as zerg - lag will ruin everything.
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I haven't watched bw in a long time but this was fun so thanks to koget and scan.
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On October 10 2016 01:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
It is pretty easy to outmicro someone, if you use that lowlatency program where you will always have minimum response time, independent of the latency settings. Koget had to play with high latency settings while scan had instant response time, not exactly impressive in my opinion.
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On October 10 2016 03:10 Cryoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 01:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ... It is pretty easy to outmicro someone, if you use that lowlatency program where you will always have minimum response time, independent of the latency settings. Koget had to play with high latency settings while scan had instant response time, not exactly impressive in my opinion.
Scan wasnt using that program.and that program doesnt work the way do u think it works.this lowlatency hack only causes big lag kor vs foreigner.and mostly is the most hard for zerg no inverse
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On October 10 2016 00:46 B-royal wrote:
People do care or this thread would never have existed. The show match was awesome and I think Scan proved if he took it a little bit more seriously, he would have 14-0'd Koget. (I only saw the first loss though, maybe I'm wrong about Koget not being able to take a single game).
not really. he didn't prove that.
He had the chance to prove that but he didn't take it, choosing to not play seriously and 'losing because he looked at the wrong monitor for too long'
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