In course of ongoing discussions about who the yet undefeated and infamous iCCup player dong222 is, and if it might be Scan, people put word and money on the theory that Scan wouldn't be able to defeat kogeT 14 to 0 in a Zerg versus Terran (Scan off-racing as Zerg), just like dong222 during his flawless winning streak did. Both, Scan and kogeT, are willing to find that out!
As far as rules and conditions go, please leave all your ideas and suggestions in the comments!
Format:
Matchup: (Z) Scan vs (T) kogeT
Rules: Scan must win 14 matches in a row to win the prizepool; kogeT can take it from him by winning 1 match. A draw gets voided.
Prizepool: $120 go to the winner of the challange!
Streams: BisuDagger, FlaShFTW and iloveav all offered to cast. I will notify all casters as soon as a time is set. In any case BisuDagger will cast the replays, but if latency and time allows one of them might also be able to livecast.
Poll: Would kogeT be able to take one match from Scan in a TvZ?
Yes (74)
52%
Scan ain't that gosu (23)
16%
Scan is dong222 (18)
13%
No (14)
10%
Maybe if he cheeses (13)
9%
142 total votes
Your vote: Would kogeT be able to take one match from Scan in a TvZ?
(Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Maybe if he cheeses (Vote): Scan ain't that gosu (Vote): Scan is dong222
♥ Huge thanks to the donors mca64, DiMiaN, DSK and calgar, both players Scan and kogeT and the whole of the Brood War TL.net community for making this showmatch possible and as enjoyable as it can get!
If the game is balanced and they are actually close to skill then it would be very improbable that Scan would win 14:0 considering the ZvT matchup's statistics and map statistics. Otherwise, this isn't even a real showmatch cuz it would be like an A+ iCCup player playing vs a B rank player or something.
On October 03 2016 07:34 Th1rdEye wrote: If the game is balanced and they are actually close to skill then it would be very improbable that Scan would win 14:0 considering the ZvT matchup's statistics and map statistics. Otherwise, this isn't even a real showmatch cuz it would be like an A+ iCCup player playing vs a B rank player or something.
Both players are very high skilled and by iCCup ranks it would be more like A+ vs Olympic. In my opinion Scan has an clear edge in skill, especially in their offraces, but imo Scan, really both players, would need to give it their all and thus make for some interesting matches.
To me, seeing Scan as a clear favorite, it would be exciting to see if kogeT really can take a game from him and the conditions would be somewhat justified.
But yea, you're right, it enables a lot of ground for discussion if that's fair and what not, but at the end that's really up to the betters/donors.
e/ I don't know what kogeTs Fish rank is or if he's even laddering there.
On October 03 2016 07:21 Orite wrote: 14 to 0 in a Zerg versus Terran (both players offracing, Scan as Zerg and kogeT as Terran),
Isn't KogeT main Terran so he isn't offracing?
From what I figure he only plays/played Terran instead of ZvZ. He might play Terran a lot more by now, but I'd say for both players it's an incredibly strong off-race.
On October 03 2016 07:21 Orite wrote: 14 to 0 in a Zerg versus Terran (both players offracing, Scan as Zerg and kogeT as Terran),
Isn't KogeT main Terran so he isn't offracing?
From what I figure he only plays/played Terran instead of ZvZ. He might play Terran a lot more by now, but I'd say for both players it's an incredibly strong off-race.
Oh you are probably right. The only games I've seen of his are TvZ's makes sense.
On October 03 2016 08:20 BisuDagger wrote: Date and time please. If you sends reps, ill cast this on my Tuesdays casts.
Awesome! Will definetely notify you as soon as things are set.
On October 03 2016 09:42 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Can we donate to raise the prizepool?
Absolutely! Raising the stakes is very welcome, but as a little disclaimer: exact conditions of the showmatch might not have 100% settled yet.
On October 03 2016 08:47 FyRe_DragOn wrote: koget is 100% terran and has been for like 2 years or something. I favor koget here, taking 1 game out of 14 should be doable lol
I didn't know that. I'll leave the op as is for now though.
I would also lobby that the OP be updated. I dunno if its some sort of TLPD auto formatting but having them playing in the showmatch the opposite of what is bolded next to their names is quite confusing especially since I knew before I opened the thread what races they said they were going to be playing.
Agree with Jealous they should play all 14 IMO.
Scan is obv quite good but kogeT only has to take 1 game out of 14 to spoil Scan's efforts so it will be interesting.
I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
A- on iccup now is approximately F rank on fish (which you start at, similar to D on iccup, if you can maintain F fish you can probably make A- iccup). Scan is B rank on fish, koget im not sure if he plays fish but maybe D? so several ranks lower. So you could compare it to an A- iccup guy 14-0ing a C- iccup player, which I think is easily possible. Although, at higher ranks there is less margin for error as there would be with the A-/C- situation, and also scan is offracing so I say koget will take it.
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
A- on iccup now is approximately F rank on fish (which you start at, similar to D on iccup, if you can maintain F fish you can probably make A- iccup). Scan is B rank on fish, koget im not sure if he plays fish but maybe D? so several ranks lower. So you could compare it to an A- iccup guy 14-0ing a C- iccup player, which I think is easily possible. Although, at higher ranks there is less margin for error as there would be with the A-/C- situation, and also scan is offracing so I say koget will take it.
Uh that is insane. What ranks are below F on Fish?
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
A- on iccup now is approximately F rank on fish (which you start at, similar to D on iccup, if you can maintain F fish you can probably make A- iccup). Scan is B rank on fish, koget im not sure if he plays fish but maybe D? so several ranks lower. So you could compare it to an A- iccup guy 14-0ing a C- iccup player, which I think is easily possible. Although, at higher ranks there is less margin for error as there would be with the A-/C- situation, and also scan is offracing so I say koget will take it.
Uh that is insane. What ranks are below F on Fish?
Lol Scan zvt is C rank fish and by big margin better than any foreign zerg,i remember when marwin was active he couldnt win him... And marwin was pretty much close to sziky lvl.
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
Back in 2009 on the TSL2 ladder Scan hit A- while kogeT hit A with a far superior record. When did Scan's ego inflate so hard? At least have some respect.
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
A- on iccup now is approximately F rank on fish (which you start at, similar to D on iccup, if you can maintain F fish you can probably make A- iccup). Scan is B rank on fish, koget im not sure if he plays fish but maybe D? so several ranks lower. So you could compare it to an A- iccup guy 14-0ing a C- iccup player, which I think is easily possible. Although, at higher ranks there is less margin for error as there would be with the A-/C- situation, and also scan is offracing so I say koget will take it.
nono, F on fish is like being super grand master (elo of at least 3100++) in chess, except that you have to play a more complicated game like chess. something like go, but far more complicated, like brood war on stereoids or something. to simply register on fish you have to fight a horde of ebola infected super demons with just a toothpick and afterwards run through a dark forest filled with hungry bears, just to find the secred registration code in the temple of doom. i think if you can maintain F on fish you're probably able to cure HIV and be elected president of the free world.
On October 03 2016 20:26 LaStScan wrote: The maps should be set as same as dong222 has played against koget. idk how many FS and jade games they have played. someone go count it. thx.
He is definitely going to win 1 game out of 14. 14 games is a looong looong time. Enough time to make a mistake, get tired, get lazy, whatever. I am pretty sure he can win at least 1 match.
On October 03 2016 12:45 SCC-Faust wrote: I haven't played brood war in many years, who is Scan? And I didn't realize the gap between good foreign players and Koreans was so far. Like, I realize foreigners don't fair well against Korean pros... Blizzcon comes to mind when the only person who seemed to put up a decent game was Testie vs Bisu. But for an A- ICCup guy getting 14-0'd seems really silly to me.
A- on iccup now is approximately F rank on fish (which you start at, similar to D on iccup, if you can maintain F fish you can probably make A- iccup). Scan is B rank on fish, koget im not sure if he plays fish but maybe D? so several ranks lower. So you could compare it to an A- iccup guy 14-0ing a C- iccup player, which I think is easily possible. Although, at higher ranks there is less margin for error as there would be with the A-/C- situation, and also scan is offracing so I say koget will take it.
Wow, you know a lot about Fish, man. Thanks for this explanation.
I think Scan wins 14-0 just as easily as dong222 did. Also, the only person off-racing here is Scan. Koget actually does play Terran lol, at least for the last 2-3 years now... so you can't say it's his off-race, that's just ridiculous.
Also not to mention, Scan probably doesn't try that hard typically, vs the iccup players. Now there's some money behind (albeit small, but money nonetheless), a whole thread dedicated to their match, etc. There's pride here. Scan will try all 14 games like you probably haven't seen him / how he plays his matches on Fish. Scan mentioned the whole 14-0 thing and how he can beat koget only because he wanted to prove a point that the dong222 guy isn't above a C-level on Fish. Scan was simply making a point of comparison. So, for Scan, this is really just proving that dong222 isn't above that level.
OP updated. Let me know if I missed out on something so far.
On October 03 2016 22:46 kogeT wrote: I'm also OK playing all 14 games despite the result. (mb not in one run though)
Would be great if Scan is willing to play all matches despite the results as well.
On October 03 2016 22:46 kogeT wrote: What about possible donors, have they settled on terms?
DiMiaN is settled and he confirmed his $20 go to the winner of the challange ♥ Still awaiting word from mca64 and PharaphobiaSC but it'll be figured out very soon.
How to beat a better player? I've thought about the day I'm matched up in a best of 20 against Flash (1 win for me takes all), with Bisu in the stands watching me with pride. This is my only chance to impress him! Here's the wining strategy.
1. For the first 15 games play like an absolute retard. Place buildings poorly. Only build like 10 workers per base. Make 1 control group of units in 5 minutes and then attack with the just one unit at a time. Don't micro. Keep apm below 30. Get a gas, but only at your natural. 2. Game 16, go balls to the wall. Proxy 2 gate that son of a bitch and roll him over fast. GG.
On October 03 2016 23:21 BisuDagger wrote: How to beat a better player? I've thought about the day I'm matched up in a best of 20 against Flash (1 win for me takes all), with Bisu in the stands watching me with pride. This is my only chance to impress him! Here's the wining strategy.
1. For the first 15 games play like an absolute retard. Place buildings poorly. Only build like 10 workers per base. Make 1 control group of units in 5 minutes and then attack with the just one unit at a time. Don't micro. Keep apm below 30. Get a gas, but only at your natural. 2. Game 16, go balls to the wall. Proxy 2 gate that son of a bitch and roll him over fast. GG.
1 game should be doable, but scan's so good I think he might just win 14 games. Let's get this going as soon as possible! This is really exciting haha.
On October 04 2016 00:37 Ruff_kz wrote: "Rules: Scan must win 14 matches in a row to win the prizepool; kogeT can take it from him by winning 1 match."
Remember, there can be a draw. In that case kogeT will be the winner too.
How can there be a draw? If they don't finish the 14 matches to find a real outcome?
On October 04 2016 00:37 Ruff_kz wrote: "Rules: Scan must win 14 matches in a row to win the prizepool; kogeT can take it from him by winning 1 match."
Remember, there can be a draw. In that case kogeT will be the winner too.
How can there be a draw? If they don't finish the 14 matches to find a real outcome?
if a game ends in a stalemate then it ends in a draw.
On October 04 2016 00:37 Ruff_kz wrote: "Rules: Scan must win 14 matches in a row to win the prizepool; kogeT can take it from him by winning 1 match."
Remember, there can be a draw. In that case kogeT will be the winner too.
How can there be a draw? If they don't finish the 14 matches to find a real outcome?
if a game ends in a stalemate then it ends in a draw.
But should that really result in a win of the challange for kogeT or should the match get nullified? Any suggestions?
About possible time.. I can play most of the days, but as I have a small kid it's usually impossible to play before 20:00 CET. I know this may be a big issue for scan due to time zone difference, but I also believe that this would be the best time for most of the viewers.
On October 04 2016 01:18 kogeT wrote: So it's easy, I just have to kill all his drones and lift my buildings...
Haha yea, it definetely enables for some new strategies, and imo it should be given another thought if this rule really should be applied in a showmatch like this, which encourages all kinds of "foul" play. I'm very tired so here's another poll for now:
Poll: Should a draw result in a challange win for kogeT?
Yes (29)
51%
No (28)
49%
57 total votes
Your vote: Should a draw result in a challange win for kogeT?
No, Flash played Zerg. But that doesn't matter. Flash's zerg slaps down other progamer's main races often. I see it all the time in his stream lol. He was owning Sky ZvP just a week ago.
On October 04 2016 02:58 kogeT wrote: About possible time.. I can play most of the days, but as I have a small kid it's usually impossible to play before 20:00 CET. I know this may be a big issue for scan due to time zone difference, but I also believe that this would be the best time for most of the viewers.
On October 04 2016 02:58 kogeT wrote: About possible time.. I can play most of the days, but as I have a small kid it's usually impossible to play before 20:00 CET. I know this may be a big issue for scan due to time zone difference, but I also believe that this would be the best time for most of the viewers.
On October 04 2016 02:58 kogeT wrote: About possible time.. I can play most of the days, but as I have a small kid it's usually impossible to play before 20:00 CET. I know this may be a big issue for scan due to time zone difference, but I also believe that this would be the best time for most of the viewers.
Streams: BisuDagger, FlaShFTW and iloveav all offered to cast. I will notify all casters as soon as a time is set. It would be great if both players also stream the FPV on their Twitch streams.
I would prefer to play on low latency network. I want the same condition as koget played against dong222. High lat muta micro is going to be very ugly btw.
On October 05 2016 06:03 LaStScan wrote: Streams: BisuDagger, FlaShFTW and iloveav all offered to cast. I will notify all casters as soon as a time is set. It would be great if both players also stream the FPV on their Twitch streams.
I would prefer to play on low latency network. I want the same condition as koget played against dong222. High lat muta micro is going to be very ugly btw.
I don't think it's necessary for you and koget to stream, but I think almost everyone would love to watch BisuDagger, FlaShFTW or iloveav (one of them) casting the games live. One observer should be ok right?
BisuDagger will cast the replays when he finds time, but in case someone will be around to livecast you can maybe just try out if it adds to any lag. If it does then maybe you could send the replay after every match or something like that.
On October 05 2016 05:41 DSK wrote: I'll put $60.00 into the pot just to make it a nice round number
On October 05 2016 06:03 LaStScan wrote: Streams: BisuDagger, FlaShFTW and iloveav all offered to cast. I will notify all casters as soon as a time is set. It would be great if both players also stream the FPV on their Twitch streams.
I would prefer to play on low latency network. I want the same condition as koget played against dong222. High lat muta micro is going to be very ugly btw.
I usually dont have lag problems (mostly only a problem if there is lag present between the players already), but we can always test before the showmatch and mare sure the caster who has the least added lag casts the games.
On October 05 2016 06:03 LaStScan wrote: Streams: BisuDagger, FlaShFTW and iloveav all offered to cast. I will notify all casters as soon as a time is set. It would be great if both players also stream the FPV on their Twitch streams.
I would prefer to play on low latency network. I want the same condition as koget played against dong222. High lat muta micro is going to be very ugly btw.
I usually dont have lag problems (mostly only a problem if there is lag present between the players already), but we can always test before the showmatch and mare sure the caster who has the least added lag casts the games.
Yeah, I shouldn't cast these live at the moment. I'm updating my third world internet (finally!) to the fastest speed possible on Thursday.
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
Don't judge people based on their records. Do you guys remember mvpwisdom from icc a few seasons ago?
He got B last season on Fish PURELY abusing like never before. They just play people who are lesser ranks / look at opponents record before deciding on game / dodge pro gamers / etc... Don't get hyped over records on fish, there's lots of scum roaming the seas.
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
I saw 9mutal[hyo]. I think i only played 1 or 2 games against him in my life. Its so get a game with hyo clan members becuz most of them are stats abuser.
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
I saw 9mutal[hyo]. I think i only played 1 or 2 games against him in my life. Its so get a game with hyo clan members becuz most of them are stats abuser.
Scan, I thought you lived in USA for some time period, no? You moved back to Korea recently?
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
I saw 9mutal[hyo]. I think i only played 1 or 2 games against him in my life. Its so get a game with hyo clan members becuz most of them are stats abuser.
Scan, I thought you lived in USA for some time period, no? You moved back to Korea recently?
I graduated and returned to Korea. I just received 4급(rank4) at the military administration.
Rank 1 2 3 are given to ppl who can go to the army(soldier marine airforce). Rank 4 is for public interest/common goods(i used dictionary for the words. Might not be accurate). Rank 5 is for supporting during the war. Rank 6 = excuse. Rank 7 =needs to retest (some ppl didnt take the exams seriously)
Ppl who are curious about my placement, it has to do with my back problem (scoliosis).
Im currently at the airport. Wheres koget? Can he play today when i get back home?
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
Don't judge people based on their records. Do you guys remember mvpwisdom from icc a few seasons ago?
He got B last season on Fish PURELY abusing like never before. They just play people who are lesser ranks / look at opponents record before deciding on game / dodge pro gamers / etc... Don't get hyped over records on fish, there's lots of scum roaming the seas.
i just love how nothing is ever good enough. First he is a noob who is C max and iccup stats mean nothing, now when he has a 80% win rate in fish then "fish ranks mean nothing", he is an abuser because that clan is full of abusers so he definitely is aswell, and was always an abuser and has never played the ladder legit.
On October 05 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: ladder stats still amazing tho.
Hyo clan is very well known for ladder abusers. They probably have skills, but doing it in a wrong way.
That is not a Hyo clan account though.
I saw 9mutal[hyo]. I think i only played 1 or 2 games against him in my life. Its so get a game with hyo clan members becuz most of them are stats abuser.
On October 06 2016 06:40 LaStScan wrote: Rank 4 is for public interest/common goods
Sucks. For how long you gotta do that?
It seems kogeT is mainly able to play around 20 CET, so that's like 3 am in Korea, but lets see.
Everyone might have more time available on the weekend?
On October 05 2016 07:55 mca64Launcher_ wrote: both players should live stream unless they has problem with net etc. Thats my rule for 20$ donate
Or that.. both players stream on twitch, and the commentators only cast the replays asap.
Even though it may be a little unfair for Scan, because it makes for different conditions than dong222 had to play vs kogeT, if we assume dong222 didn't stream the games.
On October 06 2016 07:09 abuse wrote: i just love how nothing is ever good enough. First he is a noob who is C max and iccup stats mean nothing, now when he has a 80% win rate in fish then "fish ranks mean nothing", he is an abuser because that clan is full of abusers so he definitely is aswell, and was always an abuser and has never played the ladder legit.
It's just another step in bringing us closer to the truth :D
On October 05 2016 07:55 mca64Launcher_ wrote: both players should live stream unless they has problem with net etc. Thats my rule for 20$ donate
Or that.. both players stream on twitch, and the commentators only cast the replays asap.
Even though it may be a little unfair for Scan, because it makes for different conditions than dong222 had to play vs kogeT, if we assume dong222 didn't stream the games.
On October 06 2016 07:09 abuse wrote: i just love how nothing is ever good enough. First he is a noob who is C max and iccup stats mean nothing, now when he has a 80% win rate in fish then "fish ranks mean nothing", he is an abuser because that clan is full of abusers so he definitely is aswell, and was always an abuser and has never played the ladder legit.
It's just another step in bringing us closer to the truth :D
Can't you just exchange phone numbers by PM and arrange via whatsapp? I mean you're both adults. This back n forth messaging in this thread while the other dude is offline is just
On October 06 2016 10:02 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yeah, the hype is quickly waning.
I literally came back to either say that or check the replays that i hoped were already posted.
Hype is wearing off.
This reminds me of multiple tournaments between gamers where they try their best to avoid each other. They never finish the m/us and it ends up just dying out and forgotten.
On October 06 2016 09:51 Peeano wrote: Can't you just exchange phone numbers by PM and arrange via whatsapp? I mean you're both adults. This back n forth messaging in this thread while the other dude is offline is just
Well, I even msged him multiple times on skype and said on the posts. I also asked trutacz to contact koget(which he did), but koget doesn't reply.
On October 06 2016 10:25 Orite wrote: kogeT has family. I'm sure he wants to play as soon as he can and if Scan will have time I'm certain it will happen within the upcoming days.
Everyone has their own family. I have a part time job in korea. I mean if he can post something on TL (like replying that he cant play tonight), why cant he get on Skype or fb to msg me? Trutacz did my favor, but idk if koget has read trutaczs msg on fb. + Show Spoiler +
Btw, lets try not to imply that koget has a life and i dont cuz it can misslead and offend someone even though you weren't planning to do so.
Yea well, didn't mean it that way. I just tried to be considerate of him having a little kid, because well, kids. I'm glad I don't have one right now or i wouldn't be able to stay up late today. With writing " if Scan will have time" I tried to say that I have no idea if you do or do not have time upcoming days, and I just hope for a fast coincidence that you both find a good time asap.
I can only play 20-23:30CET. Other times I would have to strech hard to play few games, and its really 50% capability when my little kid is around and constantly fighting for my attention.
What I can suggest is also morning cet on any of these days: 19, 20, 21 Oct as ill be on holiday and can play eaisly.
On October 06 2016 21:05 outscar wrote: I don't know how Scan gets so simple nicknames, Drone, Hatchery and now Cafe lol - that one should've taken long time before.
There are like a gazillion of words in the English language dude.
On October 07 2016 11:02 calgar wrote: Can I chip in $20 more for the prize pool? Who would I paypal to do that?
Definitely appreciated! I didn't see the need to have a trustee, because all donors are trusted members to begin with. So if you're sure you wanna donate to the prizepool just announce it here and I will add it to the OP
As soon as we have a winner their PayPal will be posted here and/or send via PM and all donors can directly send their amount to the winner asap.
Saturday 20.30 CET... *Mentally sets this time as occupied* I should be able to stream this (what I mean is that I might be able to stream it live if there are no objections, or from replays if there is lag present or the players prefer to have no obs).
On October 07 2016 19:38 iloveav wrote: Saturday 20.30 CET... *Mentally sets this time as occupied* I should be able to stream this (what I mean is that I might be able to stream it live if there are no objections, or from replays if there is lag present or the players prefer to have no obs).
I think u forgot u are about to cast "best of nation league " at saturday.
On October 08 2016 02:07 Orite wrote: e/ please someone add it to the calendar, it keeps saying 'invalid stream URL' to me, but doesn't provide any information what I'm doing wrong.
I submitted the event, now it's up to a moderator to validate it. I also go the URL error, I found out it comes from https:// instead of http://
On October 07 2016 11:02 calgar wrote: Can I chip in $20 more for the prize pool? Who would I paypal to do that?
Definitely appreciated! I didn't see the need to have a trustee, because all donors are trusted members to begin with. So if you're sure you wanna donate to the prizepool just announce it here and I will add it to the OP
As soon as we have a winner their PayPal will be posted here and/or send via PM and all donors can directly send their amount to the winner asap.
On October 07 2016 19:38 iloveav wrote: Saturday 20.30 CET... *Mentally sets this time as occupied* I should be able to stream this (what I mean is that I might be able to stream it live if there are no objections, or from replays if there is lag present or the players prefer to have no obs).
I think u forgot u are about to cast "best of nation league " at saturday.
o, mvp is a good example of ladder 'abusing' This guy hit B rank at Fish probably by killing a lot of E-ranks there. Meanwhile I'm 6-0 (+/- 2 wins) against him and I'm just a D rank.
What i'm trying to say, player's skill is not determined by ladder stats only. So that guy, dong222, might be good, gosu player or he might be just an average player.
On October 03 2016 16:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Lol Scan zvt is C rank fish and by big margin better than any foreign zerg,i remember when marwin was active he couldnt win him... And marwin was pretty much close to sziky lvl.
On October 03 2016 16:19 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Lol Scan zvt is C rank fish and by big margin better than any foreign zerg,i remember when marwin was active he couldnt win him... And marwin was pretty much close to sziky lvl.
Are you sure that Scan is better than Sziky?
defiler tour reps might answer for you. I played all races.
I think that this showmatch would not prove anything as Scan will be severely disadvantaged in this Showmatch vs koget cuz koget is playing his main race while Scan is not. Also ZvT with possible lag... Also the time of the playing is not very comfortable for scan. I would be more interested to see Sziky vs Scan on actual LAN settings playing - same PC room or same country internet connection. Because there will be no lag, which is detrimental for z in zvt, I think there's a good chance Sziky will have the upper hand.
On October 08 2016 23:02 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I think that this showmatch would not prove anything as Scan will be severely disadvantaged in this Showmatch vs koget cuz koget is playing his main race while Scan is not. Also ZvT with possible lag... Also the time of the playing is not very comfortable for scan. I would be more interested to see Sziky vs Scan on actual LAN settings playing - same PC room or same country internet connection. Because there will be no lag, which is detrimental for z in zvt, I think there's a good chance Sziky will have the upper hand.
except that sziky doesnt play bw anymore,the last time he did was in some nationwars and loss to gargoyle.i guess he will need like 1-2 months atleast to recovery a bit.
On October 08 2016 23:02 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I think that this showmatch would not prove anything as Scan will be severely disadvantaged in this Showmatch vs koget cuz koget is playing his main race while Scan is not. Also ZvT with possible lag... Also the time of the playing is not very comfortable for scan. I would be more interested to see Sziky vs Scan on actual LAN settings playing - same PC room or same country internet connection. Because there will be no lag, which is detrimental for z in zvt, I think there's a good chance Sziky will have the upper hand.
But Scan hit C on Fish with Zerg, no? If his off-race is higher ranked than koget (and we assume that both are legit players who don't dodge), then it's still a valid premise.
On October 08 2016 23:02 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I think that this showmatch would not prove anything as Scan will be severely disadvantaged in this Showmatch vs koget cuz koget is playing his main race while Scan is not. Also ZvT with possible lag... Also the time of the playing is not very comfortable for scan. I would be more interested to see Sziky vs Scan on actual LAN settings playing - same PC room or same country internet connection. Because there will be no lag, which is detrimental for z in zvt, I think there's a good chance Sziky will have the upper hand.
except that sziky doesnt play bw anymore,the last time he did was in some nationwars and loss to gargoyle.i guess he will need like 1-2 months atleast to recovery a bit.
Yeah, Sziky will have to practice and recover his skills. Now he won't have a chance.
On October 08 2016 23:02 LRM)TechnicS wrote: I think that this showmatch would not prove anything as Scan will be severely disadvantaged in this Showmatch vs koget cuz koget is playing his main race while Scan is not. Also ZvT with possible lag... Also the time of the playing is not very comfortable for scan. I would be more interested to see Sziky vs Scan on actual LAN settings playing - same PC room or same country internet connection. Because there will be no lag, which is detrimental for z in zvt, I think there's a good chance Sziky will have the upper hand.
But Scan hit C on Fish with Zerg, no? If his off-race is higher ranked than koget (and we assume that both are legit players who don't dodge), then it's still a valid premise.
yeah but dong's main is z and scan is t and if Scan reached C with Z on fish, he played with good ZvT settings mostly. Now they won't have that good of a connection I think... It will be a somewhat interesting showmatch and it will prove that Scan's offrace is better than dong222's main if he wins 14:0.
But then again... they can't resemble the conditions under which koget played vs dong222. Koget played game after game to try and outplay his opponent. He wanted to win him as many games as possible and they didn't know in advance how many games they would play so the mind games were based on the previous games alone. He didn't want to just take a single game and run. Now money are on the line and koget might feel the temptation to want to win "the event". They know in advance that the target amount of games is 14 so the mind games change and koget might play differently than he would vs dong222 and try the occassional 14cc or proxy barracks which he wouldnt vs dong222.
Exactly so. I also believe Koget must have had a bad day when he played against dong222. There is no way to not snipe once an opponent, even if its Effort, while being in good shape.
Scan is a Terran user and 2v2 random user so he will have no problems with ZvT until they play on high latency. High latency and ZvT changes too much, because the matchup depends on muta micro. If koget practiced some, and thought about the series, he will most likely take 1-3 games. If he is going to play random builds like vs dong222, it might go directly 14-0. Korean players are good against unprepared builds.
^Yes, and Scan replied in the thread after KogeT wrote:
On October 07 2016 19:07 kogeT wrote: This Saturday, 20:30 CET.
So if anything, Scan could still have pointed out there that there was miscommunication at that time (which he didn't.) Edit: as for KogeT saying CET instead of CEST, it shouldn't matter as there currently isn't even any CET.
LaStScan Profile PM Joined May 2011 Korea (South)453 Posts October 07 2016 03:50 CEST #161 On October 07 2016 07:42 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote +
20:30 CET
Your time:
21:30 CEST (+02:00)
Your as in you, the person reading this post.
2030cet is 330kst.. LaStScan Profile PM Joined May 2011 Korea (South)453 Posts October 07 2016 09:10 CEST #165 On October 07 2016 15:47 kogeT wrote: Show nested quote +
Scan , I understand your struggle with playing that late. If it helps, i suggest 19,20 or 21 Oct 10-16cet
Uh.. No. I don't like to change schedule frequently. stick to one decision as we made earlier...
kogeT Profile PM Joined September 2013 Poland546 Posts Last Edited: 2016-10-07 12:07:39 October 07 2016 12:07 CEST #167 This Saturday, 20:30 CET.
then Scan no more answers about this,he was still posting in the thread,so either he missed it or he didnt agree by the result of no showing. specially that Scan was playing sc2 some before going offline.
There currently isn't even any CET. Why would he not read KogeT's msg? Why would he ignore it if he did? It was also added as an event on the calendar.
I mentioned way earlier in the thread that they should have just exchange phonenumbers
A lot of people in Scan's chat were saying that they want to see Scan vs. LancerX, Trutacz wanted to play too, and some other foreigners... I think it would be a great series of showmatches - "14 vs. Scan!" Or something
Scan on stream said he would play anyone if there were donations so if there are people who aren't broke students like me out there, maybe you have a foreigner you'd like to see Scan vs.? ^^
On October 09 2016 07:39 LRM)TechnicS wrote: did they really play only 1 standard zvt game so far? it's 10-2 for scan now... were koget vs dong222 games all like that?
On October 09 2016 08:19 Jealous wrote: Thank you to Scan and KogeT for a fun series!
A lot of people in Scan's chat were saying that they want to see Scan vs. LancerX, Trutacz wanted to play too, and some other foreigners... I think it would be a great series of showmatches - "14 vs. Scan!" Or something
Scan on stream said he would play anyone if there were donations so if there are people who aren't broke students like me out there, maybe you have a foreigner you'd like to see Scan vs.? ^^
Anyway, congratulations KogeT, WP! GGs
I'd put in $50 for any one of them vs scan if they were up for it.
Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Not sure who you are exactly talking to. I agree the part where you said no one won't care. Other parts, no. You can't compare from their generation to current generation, and if you are comparing me with foreign players, no thx. It's not i'm disliking foreigners. It's just not right to compare Koreans with foreigners like SC2.
I'm going to assume you are talking about me so, let me say something to you.
idk what made you to assume I'm looking forward to get fames/respects and try to be funny and provoke someone? People were here to see a nice showmatch after I made a statement that dong is not A/S rank zerg, and I should be able to take down koget 14-0.
People do care or this thread would never have existed. The show match was awesome and I think Scan proved if he took it a little bit more seriously, he would have 14-0'd Koget. (I only saw the first loss though, maybe I'm wrong about Koget not being able to take a single game).
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
This was just an unnecessary post and actually isn't even true.
1) Scan played 4am his time. I'm pretty sure no one can play full caliber when it's actually time to sleep. He did this so him and koget could agree on a time to play. This is considered good sportsmanship / being GM.
2) You say "all good foreigners stopped playing" ... Sure, SOME of the good foreigners from past did stop playing, of course. But you do realize players from this generation are actually just as good IF not better. If you recall there was old school vs. new school tournament 1-2 years ago. Old-school players even trained for several months and they got completely demolished. The styles are different, game play is different, etc. Can't make the comparison and all I'm saying is, don't discredit players of today. You will be very surprised.
3) You say "for their pure skill." - So foreigners achieving/maintaining E/D rank Fish is not "pure skill?" What Scan has achieved is not "pure skill" ? This statement literally made no sense at all lol.
4) Scan isn't trying to be funny or provoking as Mistrzzz used to be. Understand the context of this showmatch and why it happened. Scan simply said that dong222 14-0 koget isn't really that impressive and also mainly to prove he's not a B rank zerg. If you ask me, even though Scan did lose a few matches out of 14, I think he still proved his overall point. This is Scan's off race playing at 4am and he only dropped what, 3 matches? I'd say Scan proved his point pretty well.
On October 10 2016 01:03 Jae Zedong wrote: Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.
He didn't win the bet. But he did prove to an extent that dong222 isn't B rank zerg. Scan was winning pretty easily as well with OFF RACE at 4am.... We don't know if dong222 played in same condition and it's also safe to assume that Zerg is Dong's main race. So the conditions will never be exact.
I didn't say Scan proved it 100%, I said he "proved it pretty well." I'm standing by this.
On October 10 2016 01:03 Jae Zedong wrote: Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.
He didn't win the bet. But he did prove to an extent that dong222 isn't B rank zerg. Scan was winning pretty easily as well with OFF RACE at 4am.... We don't know if dong222 played in same condition and it's also safe to assume that Zerg is Dong's main race. So the conditions will never be exact.
I didn't say Scan proved it 100%, I said he "proved it pretty well." I'm standing by this.
Dong is 92-0. We have no reason to believe he isn't a B zerg except Scan's visual inspection of his Muta micro. As if Muta microing on iccup from Korea with 1 second lag proves anything.
Why people hating so much. It was mainly for laughs and giggles and a few dollar bills. Everyone won. We got our entertainment, koget got his money, scan got more popular/recognition.
Although scan didn't get the money he got something that i would consider more valuable and that is recognition and followers.
Nice matches guys, thanks for stepping up and actually going through it, was extremely fun to watch.
Haters will hate for personal reasons. Best thing to do is ignore these people and enjoy your day cause nothing good will come from arguing. More often than not salty people are very arrogant and near impossible to sway to see things from your point of view.
Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
On October 10 2016 01:15 Cheesefome wrote: Why people hating so much. It was mainly for laughs and giggles and a few dollar bills. Everyone won. We got our entertainment, koget got his money, scan got more popular/recognition.
Although scan didn't get the money he got something that i would consider more valuable and that is recognition and followers.
Nice matches guys, thanks for stepping up and actually going through it, was extremely fun to watch.
Haters will hate for personal reasons. Best thing to do is ignore these people and enjoy your day cause nothing good will come from arguing. More often than not salty people are very arrogant and near impossible to sway to see things from your point of view.
Thanks for the show fellas!
This.
Scan, don't waste your time on ungrateful people who don't know their asshole from their earhole. The event was a huge success for everyone involved IMO, and would love to see more.
EDIT: Also if there is any more support for Bonyth vs. Scan besides mca64, I'll make the thread. Bonyth, if you're seeing this, would you be interested?
protossgg I'm not really commenting on 'old school vs new school foreigner skill' or whatever, but if you think the oldschool players 'trained for several months', you're incredibly off. I think for mostly everyone competing, the preparation lasted between 2 days and 2 weeks, with more players being on the low end of that. The oldschool players who did the best in the tourney also coincided heavily with the oldschool players who had been playing sc2 professionally - basically, the players who never really stopped playing rts were the ones who did by far the best.
not just that, but the old school vs new school 'tournament' was basically a king of the hill vs sziky, where sziky first beat 4 of the old school players, and then 3 of the best new school players - and sziky was one of the top dogs even before sc2 was released.
Actually I don't want to hate anyone. I don't even care if he is on Flash lvl or if he has the skill of some bnet fastmap player.
I just think it looks pretty dumb to hijack a thread and say that a guy who went 92-0 isn't near being good. On top of that making a statement like "from what i saw on the replays I am sure I can beat the guy who lost vs the 92-0 guy 14-0 with my offrace". Then - AFTER FAILING - complaining about having to play offrace (which was his and noone else idea?) and about the time of the showmatch (after agreeing and being offered other times!), makes him just look like a bad loser.
All I am saying is, that the way he acts makes him look a really bad loser. Finally, in my personal opinion the only haters are the people who keep saying that 92-0 is not impressive at all.
On October 10 2016 01:44 AmstAff wrote: Actually I don't want to hate anyone. I don't even care if he is on Flash lvl or if he has the skill of some bnet fastmap player.
I just think it looks pretty dumb to hijack a thread and say that a guy who went 92-0 isn't near being good. On top of that making a statement like "from what i saw on the replays I am sure I can beat the guy who lost vs the 92-0 guy 14-0 with my offrace". Then - AFTER FAILING - complaining about having to play offrace (which was his and noone else idea?) and about the time of the showmatch (after agreeing and being offered other times!), makes him just look like a bad loser.
All I am saying is, that the way he acts makes him look a really bad loser. Finally, in my personal opinion the only haters are the people who keep saying that 92-0 is not impressive at all.
This. I don't care how good Scan is, and 11-3 as offrace is certainly impressive.
But dong's win ratio of 92-0 is so off-the-charts good that it's silly to claim he's average (by Korean standards) just by watching him microing with high ping. Not dropping a single game out of 92 certainly indicates exceptional skill.
Hell, even something like 92-5 would have been an entirely different ball park than 92-0.
Time for Scan to proove another point and go 92-0 by himself on ladder. If he uses his main I think he can do it no problemo. I don't know about offracing as zerg - lag will ruin everything.
On October 10 2016 01:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
It is pretty easy to outmicro someone, if you use that lowlatency program where you will always have minimum response time, independent of the latency settings. Koget had to play with high latency settings while scan had instant response time, not exactly impressive in my opinion.
On October 10 2016 01:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
It is pretty easy to outmicro someone, if you use that lowlatency program where you will always have minimum response time, independent of the latency settings. Koget had to play with high latency settings while scan had instant response time, not exactly impressive in my opinion.
Scan wasnt using that program.and that program doesnt work the way do u think it works.this lowlatency hack only causes big lag kor vs foreigner.and mostly is the most hard for zerg no inverse
On October 10 2016 00:46 B-royal wrote: People do care or this thread would never have existed. The show match was awesome and I think Scan proved if he took it a little bit more seriously, he would have 14-0'd Koget. (I only saw the first loss though, maybe I'm wrong about Koget not being able to take a single game).
not really. he didn't prove that. He had the chance to prove that but he didn't take it, choosing to not play seriously and 'losing because he looked at the wrong monitor for too long'
On October 10 2016 01:03 Jae Zedong wrote: Translating Scan's 11-3 ratio into dong's 92 wins would make the score 92-25. And 92-25 is a pretty damn far cry from 92-0.
Scan didn't prove anything as far as I'm concerned.
He didn't win the bet. But he did prove to an extent that dong222 isn't B rank zerg. Scan was winning pretty easily as well with OFF RACE at 4am.... We don't know if dong222 played in same condition and it's also safe to assume that Zerg is Dong's main race. So the conditions will never be exact.
I didn't say Scan proved it 100%, I said he "proved it pretty well." I'm standing by this.
man you just never give up, do you.
On October 10 2016 01:44 AmstAff wrote: Actually I don't want to hate anyone. I don't even care if he is on Flash lvl or if he has the skill of some bnet fastmap player.
I just think it looks pretty dumb to hijack a thread and say that a guy who went 92-0 isn't near being good. On top of that making a statement like "from what i saw on the replays I am sure I can beat the guy who lost vs the 92-0 guy 14-0 with my offrace". Then - AFTER FAILING - complaining about having to play offrace (which was his and noone else idea?) and about the time of the showmatch (after agreeing and being offered other times!), makes him just look like a bad loser.
All I am saying is, that the way he acts makes him look a really bad loser. Finally, in my personal opinion the only haters are the people who keep saying that 92-0 is not impressive at all.
you sir have displayed my sentiments 100%. a cookie for you.
On October 10 2016 01:15 Cheesefome wrote: Why people hating so much. It was mainly for laughs and giggles and a few dollar bills. Everyone won. We got our entertainment, koget got his money, scan got more popular/recognition.
Although scan didn't get the money he got something that i would consider more valuable and that is recognition and followers.
Nice matches guys, thanks for stepping up and actually going through it, was extremely fun to watch.
Haters will hate for personal reasons. Best thing to do is ignore these people and enjoy your day cause nothing good will come from arguing. More often than not salty people are very arrogant and near impossible to sway to see things from your point of view.
Thanks for the show fellas!
This.
Scan, don't waste your time on ungrateful people who don't know their asshole from their earhole. The event was a huge success for everyone involved IMO, and would love to see more.
EDIT: Also if there is any more support for Bonyth vs. Scan besides mca64, I'll make the thread. Bonyth, if you're seeing this, would you be interested?
Funny thing about show matches like Koget vs Scan is that Scan's opponents look really bad or at least mentally challanged. But yeah, I am interested to play against Scan main race for a change :D Friday would be the best time for me to play.
On October 09 2016 09:50 LaStScan wrote: No award for me? i think i showed great games at 4am~ KST ^^.
Next time I recommend that you break down the prize pool to something like 80% to the winner and 20% to the loser (or maybe 75%-25%). That way, all the players get something for their time and effort.
Also, just my 2 cents for the dong222 case. It's really impossible to judge how skilled he is until he gets his first loss. If Scan's Zerg got to C on Fish, and he went 11-3 vs. KogeT, all we can say about dong222 is that he's at least C or better on Fish.
On October 10 2016 01:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Scan played at 4 am with zerg and pretty much everygame was 1 side ,u could see the difference of skill even if koget was lagging scan still outmicroed him,no only that scan was looking in everygame his second monitor chat saying thx for subs and few donations and very very distracted by the chat.if scan played serious i cant tell but i can see Scan winning koget 20-0 with his offrace,even his apm was low ...
It is pretty easy to outmicro someone, if you use that lowlatency program where you will always have minimum response time, independent of the latency settings. Koget had to play with high latency settings while scan had instant response time, not exactly impressive in my opinion.
Scan wasnt using that program.and that program doesnt work the way do u think it works.this lowlatency hack only causes big lag kor vs foreigner.and mostly is the most hard for zerg no inverse
It surely looked like it, though. During his muta micro it looks like much lower delay than high lat.
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Those "good" foreigners struggled even with novice korean players if Draco losing to pre-pro Fantasy 2-3 is any indicator.
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
This was just an unnecessary post and actually isn't even true.
1) Scan played 4am his time. I'm pretty sure no one can play full caliber when it's actually time to sleep. He did this so him and koget could agree on a time to play. This is considered good sportsmanship / being GM.
2) You say "all good foreigners stopped playing" ... Sure, SOME of the good foreigners from past did stop playing, of course. But you do realize players from this generation are actually just as good IF not better. If you recall there was old school vs. new school tournament 1-2 years ago. Old-school players even trained for several months and they got completely demolished. The styles are different, game play is different, etc. Can't make the comparison and all I'm saying is, don't discredit players of today. You will be very surprised.
3) You say "for their pure skill." - So foreigners achieving/maintaining E/D rank Fish is not "pure skill?" What Scan has achieved is not "pure skill" ? This statement literally made no sense at all lol.
4) Scan isn't trying to be funny or provoking as Mistrzzz used to be. Understand the context of this showmatch and why it happened. Scan simply said that dong222 14-0 koget isn't really that impressive and also mainly to prove he's not a B rank zerg. If you ask me, even though Scan did lose a few matches out of 14, I think he still proved his overall point. This is Scan's off race playing at 4am and he only dropped what, 3 matches? I'd say Scan proved his point pretty well.
Bye.
are you his alt name or something
cause god damn you are all over his dick its cringe worthy
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
This was just an unnecessary post and actually isn't even true.
1) Scan played 4am his time. I'm pretty sure no one can play full caliber when it's actually time to sleep. He did this so him and koget could agree on a time to play. This is considered good sportsmanship / being GM.
2) You say "all good foreigners stopped playing" ... Sure, SOME of the good foreigners from past did stop playing, of course. But you do realize players from this generation are actually just as good IF not better. If you recall there was old school vs. new school tournament 1-2 years ago. Old-school players even trained for several months and they got completely demolished. The styles are different, game play is different, etc. Can't make the comparison and all I'm saying is, don't discredit players of today. You will be very surprised.
3) You say "for their pure skill." - So foreigners achieving/maintaining E/D rank Fish is not "pure skill?" What Scan has achieved is not "pure skill" ? This statement literally made no sense at all lol.
4) Scan isn't trying to be funny or provoking as Mistrzzz used to be. Understand the context of this showmatch and why it happened. Scan simply said that dong222 14-0 koget isn't really that impressive and also mainly to prove he's not a B rank zerg. If you ask me, even though Scan did lose a few matches out of 14, I think he still proved his overall point. This is Scan's off race playing at 4am and he only dropped what, 3 matches? I'd say Scan proved his point pretty well.
Bye.
are you his alt name or something
cause god damn you are all over his dick its cringe worthy
No, I don't care about Scan nor do I care about koget. I'm simply making my opinion based on the games that I saw and I just agree with Scan's initial reasoning as to 'why' he did play the match. And I'm simply being open minded to know that it's hard to play at 4am. You can interpret it however you want though.
I actually don't care at all about the foreign scene or any anything that even happens on iccup. Only reason I even cared remotely to see these results were because there was a 'fish' element to it.
And as already stated several times; congrats to both players, it drew many viewers, and everyone had fun. It is what it is.
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Those "good" foreigners struggled even with novice korean players if Draco losing to pre-pro Fantasy 2-3 is any indicator.
not true, ToT) won a bunch of clan wars vs top korean west clans, with Daezang, Bisu, Sea, Fantasy just to name a few playing for shield and gnh. Androide beat Silent_Control in wcg 2005. White-ra beat boxer. Fisheye lost 1-2 to ogogo. Testie was playing really close games at the time vs top koreans, and got an invite from CJ Entus.
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Those "good" foreigners struggled even with novice korean players if Draco losing to pre-pro Fantasy 2-3 is any indicator.
not true, ToT) won a bunch of clan wars vs top korean west clans, with Daezang, Bisu, Sea, Fantasy just to name a few playing for shield and gnh. Androide beat Silent_Control in wcg 2005. White-ra beat boxer. Fisheye lost 1-2 to ogogo. Testie was playing really close games at the time vs top koreans, and got an invite from CJ Entus.
LOL, Draco wins vs Midas and lose vs iloveoov 1:2 in time when these guys was in top5 Kespa, what are you talking about. Do u see any foreigner who can take a game in serious tournament from top5 korea now?
On October 10 2016 19:04 aFF]ZuluNAtion[ wrote: LOL, Draco wins vs Midas and lose vs iloveoov 1:2 in time when these guys was in top5 Kespa, what are you talking about. Do u see any foreigner who can take a game in serious tournament from top5 korea now?
very true
from what I was told also Draco had pretty close warm up games with iloveoov (before the group round even started) there in Italy if I remember correctly. though I recall stories of Bulgaria's DIDI8 beating BoxeR 5-1 in warm up games in that WCG2001 or 2002 where BoxeR won him on Legacy of Char from behind
Thanks everyone for tuning in and cheering for players. Also big thanks to the donators.
As for my games, I had an easy task - win 1 game - and that's how I prepared my games. (plenty of all-ins/semi all-ins mixed with some strong timings in mid game). I would have played differently knowing I'm playing ladder or for the win.
On a major offtopic, Androide and Draco are the most note-worthy IMO as the best foreigner performers vs top koreans on WCG tournaments On topic - I liked watching the games, splitting the prizepool would be a good idea. Re vs koget, or games vs eon or trutacz or bonyth or lancerx would be great too. They are the most active foreigners atm.
On October 10 2016 20:28 kogeT wrote: Thanks everyone for tuning in and cheering for players. Also big thanks to the donators.
As for my games, I had an easy task - win 1 game - and that's how I prepared my games. (plenty of all-ins/semi all-ins mixed with some strong timings in mid game). I would have played differently knowing I'm playing ladder or for the win.
Maybe rematch will happen soon..
i wish you played more standard in the games with significantly less all-ins or semi all-ins. that way you would have represented playing vs dong222 better the very least... I think you would have one game without the allins as Scan played many games with ovepool/12pool thinking you would be going for proxy rax or something
On October 10 2016 00:13 AmstAff wrote: Somehow this is funny and sad at the same time. Seriously, all good foreigners stopped playing this game even if you are the best now and will go 14-0 or 100-0 noone will really care. You will never get the respect people like Testie, Mondragon, Fisheye, White-ra, Androide etc got (for their pure skill). Also you are not even half as funny/provoking as Mistrzzz was.
Those "good" foreigners struggled even with novice korean players if Draco losing to pre-pro Fantasy 2-3 is any indicator.
not true, ToT) won a bunch of clan wars vs top korean west clans, with Daezang, Bisu, Sea, Fantasy just to name a few playing for shield and gnh. Androide beat Silent_Control in wcg 2005. White-ra beat boxer. Fisheye lost 1-2 to ogogo. Testie was playing really close games at the time vs top koreans, and got an invite from CJ Entus.
Mondragon defeated baby Bisu in ToT vs Shield clanwar.
On October 10 2016 20:28 kogeT wrote: Thanks everyone for tuning in and cheering for players. Also big thanks to the donators.
As for my games, I had an easy task - win 1 game - and that's how I prepared my games. (plenty of all-ins/semi all-ins mixed with some strong timings in mid game). I would have played differently knowing I'm playing ladder or for the win.
Maybe rematch will happen soon..
what we know for sure is you chose to play more standard games against me than dong222
I kept telling you to go att+1 5 rax, but you were stubborn with valk lol.
This was a fun series to watch though Scan taking it easy and losing that first game was a downer. I quit watching after that but from what I watched, it was pretty entertaining. I think Scan could've easily taken this series if he played his main or if he played Zerg seriously (btw, why do you take a third on the low ground?). Thanking 10+ subscribers in a row etc... are all distractions that he could've done without but hey, that wasn't what caused his downfall lol. Anyways, ggs. Hope there are more series planned
Awesome showmatch! Hopefully there are more of these in the future.... Also, please limit the rapping to like 5min max, else the cast becomes unlistenable.
On October 11 2016 16:06 The Intrepid wrote: Awesome showmatch! Hopefully there are more of these in the future.... Also, please limit the rapping to like 5min max, else the cast becomes unlistenable.
On October 11 2016 22:37 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote: Question: Why didn't Scan use his main race anyway? Wining 14 straight games was enough of a burden tbh´.
The premise of the argument was that dong222 was a Zerg player who beat koget 14 times in a row on ladder. Everyone was amazed by him. Scan said that it was nothing amazing, and that he could beat koget with his Zerg 14 times in a row just to prove it.
On October 10 2016 20:28 kogeT wrote: Thanks everyone for tuning in and cheering for players. Also big thanks to the donators.
As for my games, I had an easy task - win 1 game - and that's how I prepared my games. (plenty of all-ins/semi all-ins mixed with some strong timings in mid game). I would have played differently knowing I'm playing ladder or for the win.
Maybe rematch will happen soon..
what we know for sure is you chose to play more standard games against me than dong222
I kept telling you to go att+1 5 rax, but you were stubborn with valk lol.
is this really the case? I autoassumed that koget played super standard vs dong222 and tried to outplay him most games with the standard 1rax expo bio into mech switch but couldnt
On October 10 2016 20:28 kogeT wrote: Thanks everyone for tuning in and cheering for players. Also big thanks to the donators.
As for my games, I had an easy task - win 1 game - and that's how I prepared my games. (plenty of all-ins/semi all-ins mixed with some strong timings in mid game). I would have played differently knowing I'm playing ladder or for the win.
Maybe rematch will happen soon..
what we know for sure is you chose to play more standard games against me than dong222
I kept telling you to go att+1 5 rax, but you were stubborn with valk lol.
is this really the case? I autoassumed that koget played super standard vs dong222 and tried to outplay him most games with the standard 1rax expo bio into mech switch but couldnt
I might be willing to support the cause if we get 2 players who actually try their best in the games. (READ: have the ability to only look at monitor where the starcraft game is running and prepare builds/strats to have the highest chance of success)
On October 12 2016 15:19 abuse wrote: I might be willing to support the cause if we get 2 players who actually try their best in the games. (READ: have the ability to only look at monitor where the starcraft game is running and prepare builds/strats to have the highest chance of success)
Bonyth said he was down, as did Scan. So let's get a list of donors and I'll start a thread?
On October 12 2016 15:19 abuse wrote: I might be willing to support the cause if we get 2 players who actually try their best in the games. (READ: have the ability to only look at monitor where the starcraft game is running and prepare builds/strats to have the highest chance of success)
Bonyth said he was down, as did Scan. So let's get a list of donors and I'll start a thread?
I'm messaging around a bit to get something going for this weekend. Bonyth doesn't have time this weekend and I don't know if Scan does anyways.
Next weekend everyone has time and from what it seems so far for the next weekend either we could get going: Scan vs Bonyth or Scan vs kogeT Rematch or both :D
For this weekend, maybe we can get going Scan vs trutacz or eonzerg, but I haven't talk to either yet.
I think if Scan is confident that his Terran can beat any foreigner 14-0, then the format should continue. If not, then a different kind of showmatch would be great Someone said Trutacz is out of practice and playing other games, and iirc eonzerg said he was unavailable too? I'd love to see TvP Bonyth though.
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