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Orite
Germany140 Posts
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1960 Posts
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Highgamer
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On September 04 2016 12:54 idegelchik wrote: + Show Spoiler + haha  i love to play vs D D+ C-. new season = new account, and gogogo to punish d ranks![[image loading]](https://i0.wp.com/files.sharenator.com/EvilJew01_Where_does_Evil_come_from-s343x400-101593.png) I want to report this but don't have a report-button. If a kindred spirit would be so kind. It's on page 1 all the way down. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On September 04 2016 16:26 trutaCz wrote: you can simply ban anyone who is above d- and enjoy your precious points, have fun personal experience from fish? :p | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
yes i ban everyone, thats why i am able to improve | ||
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Filco
France154 Posts
On September 04 2016 06:16 Scarbo wrote: So, season starts again, which means you get to lose 20 games in a row to C/B/A players. Since there's no function to see which rank the guy was last season, noobs vanish, lowering your chances to get a good game even more. 10/10 would get raped again 100% accurate. I wrote a thread like a year and a half ago about fake ranking and people starting at D level every new season. Not only bw is incredibly hard as a game to play, but the level of players who have been playing for so long is an incredible source of discouragement. I switched to bw like two or three years ago. I am now a decent C player. But the "fake ranking", the smurf mentality and the start or iffcup season (that glorious moment when B players were starting with the same amount of points than the big noob that I was, all of this almost had me quit. My passion for the game made me go through the dozens of losses. Trust me a new comer would never. What you need to do is to check every single player on iccup and see what there previous season was. When I saw C+ or B and he joined my D game, I would instantly ban him. Then I found real D and D+ players, and that gave me the minimum mechanics and skills to improve, as well as a minimum PLEASURE PLAYING A GAME. Starting to play brood war, or just having a desire to play it casualy from time to time, and facing people who like to smash noobs (how retarded is that?) will destroy the bw experience of about 80% people. you can simply ban anyone who is above d- and enjoy your precious points, have fun Yes that's it, that's the mentality we should get rid of. especialy coming from a guy who plays on fish or who would be A+ on iccup. What's wrong with people wanting to enjoy playing ... a GAME??????????????????????????????????????? What about we start having a positive attitude towards beginners or casual players and stop this "hooo we are such an elite" kind of BS? Very good players should be an example, not the symbol of that. Iccup is the only single ladder about which strong players will find an excuse to play against weaker people : "don't cry noob" or "how will you progress if you don't play vs A+ as D- ?" My answer to that is what about you guys try to play against people who are your level? Common show some dignity. What about you show some encouragment for those who want to enjoy the game instead of giving them every single reason to stop playing it? | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1666 Posts
On September 04 2016 19:09 Filco wrote: 100% accurate. I wrote a thread like a year and a half ago about fake ranking and people starting at D level every new season. Not only bw is incredibly hard as a game to play, but the level of players who have been playing for so long is an incredible source of discouragement. I switched to bw like two or three years ago. I am now a decent C player. But the "fake ranking", the smurf mentality and the start or iffcup season (that glorious moment when B players were starting with the same amount of points than the big noob that I was, all of this almost had me quit. My passion for the game made me go through the dozens of losses. Trust me a new comer would never. What you need to do is to check every single player on iccup and see what there previous season was. When I saw C+ or B and he joined my D game, I would instantly ban him. Then I found real D and D+ players, and that gave me the minimum mechanics and skills to improve, as well as a minimum PLEASURE PLAYING A GAME. Starting to play brood war, or just having a desire to play it casualy from time to time, and facing people who like to smash noobs (how retarded is that?) will destroy the bw experience of about 80% people. Yes that's it, that's the mentality we should get rid of. especialy coming from a guy who plays on fish or who would be A+ on iccup. What's wrong with people wanting to enjoy playing ... a GAME??????????????????????????????????????? What about we start having a positive attitude towards beginners or casual players and stop this "hooo we are such an elite" kind of BS? Very good players should be an example, not the symbol of that. Iccup is the only single ladder about which strong players will find an excuse to play against weaker people : "don't cry noob" or "how will you progress if you don't play vs A+ as D- ?" My answer to that is what about you guys try to play against people who are your level? Common show some dignity. What about you show some encouragment for those who want to enjoy the game instead of giving them every single reason to stop playing it? I really shouldn't quote myself, but I will, because it's really relevant: On September 04 2016 07:48 ImbaTosS wrote: So seriously, you expect people to get to their correct level by playing only against other players of their level from the get-go? Do you understand how a ranking system works? Also, I'll quote you back at yourself because it's amusingly relevant: On September 04 2016 19:09 Filco wrote: Common show some dignity. Aside from all that, what you are talking about is a melee system, not a ladder system. I would agree with you that a healthy melee scene would be a major positive to encourage those who, like you, don't wish to have the troubles which come with a ladder system. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6632 Posts
On September 04 2016 10:16 Scarbo wrote: If they added a way to just see the win-loss of the opponent that would already be a major improvement. There's a huge difference between a 2k player with 10-0 and a 2k player with 20-20. They used to have that but they removed it for a reason, because everyone was just dodging people with good records. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6448 Posts
On September 04 2016 19:09 Filco wrote: 100% accurate. I wrote a thread like a year and a half ago about fake ranking and people starting at D level every new season. Not only bw is incredibly hard as a game to play, but the level of players who have been playing for so long is an incredible source of discouragement. I switched to bw like two or three years ago. I am now a decent C player. But the "fake ranking", the smurf mentality and the start or iffcup season (that glorious moment when B players were starting with the same amount of points than the big noob that I was, all of this almost had me quit. My passion for the game made me go through the dozens of losses. Trust me a new comer would never. What you need to do is to check every single player on iccup and see what there previous season was. When I saw C+ or B and he joined my D game, I would instantly ban him. Then I found real D and D+ players, and that gave me the minimum mechanics and skills to improve, as well as a minimum PLEASURE PLAYING A GAME. Starting to play brood war, or just having a desire to play it casualy from time to time, and facing people who like to smash noobs (how retarded is that?) will destroy the bw experience of about 80% people. Yes that's it, that's the mentality we should get rid of. especialy coming from a guy who plays on fish or who would be A+ on iccup. What's wrong with people wanting to enjoy playing ... a GAME??????????????????????????????????????? What about we start having a positive attitude towards beginners or casual players and stop this "hooo we are such an elite" kind of BS? Very good players should be an example, not the symbol of that. Iccup is the only single ladder about which strong players will find an excuse to play against weaker people : "don't cry noob" or "how will you progress if you don't play vs A+ as D- ?" My answer to that is what about you guys try to play against people who are your level? Common show some dignity. What about you show some encouragment for those who want to enjoy the game instead of giving them every single reason to stop playing it? hello,i think your are doing it wrong.if you really want to enjoy the game i recommend you to find 3 4 friends and play each other,the ladder is just a very stressful experience specially for new corners.also with all the material,liquipedia/fpvods/replays, anyone on D rank is no sense.(maybe lazyness,maybe no time)but again why someone like this will go to the crueless ladder and no play melee or ums games,i myself when i first started i joined a noob team and played with them,when i first played ladder i was already C- no more than C rank,and from this i keep improving and learning,i also recommend you to learn right away fkeys,this just make your life much easier,gl hf | ||
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Scarbo
294 Posts
On September 04 2016 21:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hello,i think your are doing it wrong.if you really want to enjoy the game i recommend you to find 3 4 friends and play each other,the ladder is just a very stressful experience specially for new corners.also with all the material,liquipedia/fpvods/replays, anyone on D rank is no sense.(maybe lazyness,maybe no time)but again why someone like this will go to the crueless ladder and no play melee or ums games,i myself when i first started i joined a noob team and played with them,when i first played ladder i was already C- no more than C rank,and from this i keep improving and learning,i also recommend you to learn right away fkeys,this just make your life much easier,gl hf Gonna have to disagree with you there. Liquipedia is outdated and as far as vods or replays go, it's mostly pros doing normal builds, against pros doing normal builds. For example, it would take a considerable amount of time, if at all possible, to find a replay of a pro doing a 2-hatch lurker build, which is very common at lower levels. This is very discouraging to noobs. | ||
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Scarbo
294 Posts
On September 04 2016 21:06 jello_biafra wrote: They used to have that but they removed it for a reason, because everyone was just dodging people with good records. So you're saying people with good records were forced to play against opponents of a much higher skill level and thus get crushed? You see the irony here? | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 04 2016 22:08 Scarbo wrote: So you're saying people with good records were forced to play against opponents of a much higher skill level and thus get crushed? You see the irony here? Nah he's just saying that what you suggested (display the record) had already been tried and it didn't work. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6448 Posts
On September 04 2016 22:06 Scarbo wrote: 2h lurker is not a new uild,this build is even more old than the 3h variation,im pretty sure all the material on lisuipedia is enoughto out you from d ranks,we all started atsome point from 0 .Gonna have to disagree with you there. Liquipedia is outdated and as far as vods or replays go, it's mostly pros doing normal builds, against pros doing normal builds. For example, it would take a considerable amount of time, if at all possible, to find a replay of a pro doing a 2-hatch lurker build, which is very common at lower levels. This is very discouraging to noobs. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation476 Posts
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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