Season start on iccup = time to quit for a month

On September 04 2016 07:55 Esp1noza wrote:
Agree with Scarbo, it's annoying and system could be improved.
Always trying to check iccup rank on the site, but it could be hard to do fast enough.

On September 04 2016 09:43 Sero wrote:
I think you should play on Gameranger instead. There's only a few meanies who might beat you. ;(

On September 04 2016 16:26 trutaCz wrote:
you can simply ban anyone who is above d- and enjoy your precious points, have fun

On September 04 2016 17:49 Endymion wrote:

personal experience from fish? :p

On September 04 2016 06:16 Scarbo wrote:
So, season starts again, which means you get to lose 20 games in a row to C/B/A players. Since there's no function to see which rank the guy was last season, noobs vanish, lowering your chances to get a good game even more. 10/10 would get raped again

you can simply ban anyone who is above d- and enjoy your precious points, have fun

On September 04 2016 19:09 Filco wrote:


100% accurate. I wrote a thread like a year and a half ago about fake ranking and people starting at D level every new season. Not only bw is incredibly hard as a game to play, but the level of players who have been playing for so long is an incredible source of discouragement. I switched to bw like two or three years ago. I am now a decent C player. But the "fake ranking", the smurf mentality and the start or iffcup season (that glorious moment when B players were starting with the same amount of points than the big noob that I was, all of this almost had me quit. My passion for the game made me go through the dozens of losses. Trust me a new comer would never.

What you need to do is to check every single player on iccup and see what there previous season was. When I saw C+ or B and he joined my D game, I would instantly ban him. Then I found real D and D+ players, and that gave me the minimum mechanics and skills to improve, as well as a minimum PLEASURE PLAYING A GAME. Starting to play brood war, or just having a desire to play it casualy from time to time, and facing people who like to smash noobs (how retarded is that?) will destroy the bw experience of about 80% people.



Yes that's it, that's the mentality we should get rid of. especialy coming from a guy who plays on fish or who would be A+ on iccup. What's wrong with people wanting to enjoy playing ... a GAME???????????????????????????????????????
What about we start having a positive attitude towards beginners or casual players and stop this "hooo we are such an elite" kind of BS? Very good players should be an example, not the symbol of that.

Iccup is the only single ladder about which strong players will find an excuse to play against weaker people : "don't cry noob" or "how will you progress if you don't play vs A+ as D- ?" My answer to that is what about you guys try to play against people who are your level? Common show some dignity. What about you show some encouragment for those who want to enjoy the game instead of giving them every single reason to stop playing it?

On September 04 2016 07:48 ImbaTosS wrote:
So seriously, you expect people to get to their correct level by playing only against other players of their level from the get-go? Do you understand how a ranking system works?

On September 04 2016 19:09 Filco wrote:
Common show some dignity.

On September 04 2016 10:16 Scarbo wrote:


If they added a way to just see the win-loss of the opponent that would already be a major improvement. There's a huge difference between a 2k player with 10-0 and a 2k player with 20-20.

On September 04 2016 21:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


hello,i think your are doing it wrong.if you really want to enjoy the game i recommend you to find 3 4 friends and play each other,the ladder is just a very stressful experience specially for new corners.also with all the material,liquipedia/fpvods/replays, anyone on D rank is no sense.(maybe lazyness,maybe no time)but again why someone like this will go to the crueless ladder and no play melee or ums games,i myself when i first started i joined a noob team and played with them,when i first played ladder i was already C- no more than C rank,and from this i keep improving and learning,i also recommend you to learn right away fkeys,this just make your life much easier,gl hf

On September 04 2016 21:06 jello_biafra wrote:

They used to have that but they removed it for a reason, because everyone was just dodging people with good records.

On September 05 2016 01:01 GGzerG wrote:
Just be thankful you have an outlet to play BW on still, and stop bitching.

On September 05 2016 02:22 Scarbo wrote:


An outlet to get raped. That's just what I need! LOL.

On September 04 2016 23:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
2h lurker is not a new uild,this build is even more old than the 3h variation,im pretty sure all the material on lisuipedia is enoughto out you from d ranks,we all started atsome point from 0 .

On September 05 2016 02:55 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
You are free to find players on your skill level to practice with instead of laddering. Guess what the purpose of laddering is? To see when you hit your ceiling. This whining is getting ridiculous. If you feel to bad for ladder then train off ladder. If you enjoy learning from better opponents then go play some ladder, you will eventually meet players that are much better and that's the great thing.

On September 05 2016 04:23 GGzerG wrote:


When I was your age we walked 50 miles in the snow barefoot too a PC Bang to get raped by Koreans 12 hours a day, grow some hair on your chest boy.

/rl 1000 3000

On September 05 2016 17:28 GGzerG wrote:
The problem is that people are scared to lose to opponents way better than them, when in all actuality if the person is relatively smart they will learn much more from losing to a higher ranked player than to a lower ranked player, just by studying timings / execution and build orders. Unfortunately people are so simple minded they would rather play easy games that are longer so they can have fun instead of improve faster.

That is just one of the reasons Koreans are better than foreigners, stop complaining and play the game.

On September 05 2016 16:53 letian wrote:
I am starting to wonder how this thread even got that far.

On September 06 2016 02:55 r33k wrote:

Whining and one dude flamebaiting

On September 05 2016 01:01 GGzerG wrote:

In the beginning of the season in SC2 and most games, it is just as difficult..

On September 06 2016 03:15 opisska wrote:


This is not true for SC2. The MMR does not get reset between seasons and thus you are playing always the same people regardless of the phase of the season. The placement in league is irrelevant for the matchmaking.

On September 06 2016 02:35 Highgamer wrote:


What a bunch of snobbish crap

"Learn from losing, no fun, aight?"

With all due respect, consider this:

If you come home from a day at work, and you're tired, you feel like doing some BW... then you don't want to play games to study, you want a little thrill but not a beating.

Also: For every foreigner-owning-korean there are probably a few koreans who're just as good/bad as your average Iccup-b00n. They just have more players, waaay more players. That can watch professionally commentated BW 24/7.

On September 06 2016 08:10 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:



Well, if you want to play it casually, go ahead, join some hunters, or play with a friend (or stranger for that matter) who's on your exact skill level. Laddering is meant to be competitive. Is it so hard to wrap your head around that?

On September 06 2016 16:20 Highgamer wrote:


No, YOU cannot wrap your head around the point of this discussion.
Every competitive sport in the world has leagues for players of different skill level where you can compete against people of your caliber until you get better. Sometimes you invite the big ones to test yourself, but you can also join a competitive environment of your level where you meet random opponents.

"Ladder is competitive" means exactly this, and not: "Ladder is where Messi's Barcelona beats FC Doodletown in disguise if he wants to"

On September 07 2016 05:01 endy wrote:


What a terrible analogy. Not only in soccer they play in a league (La Liga) which is totally different from a ladder, but when they play in the Copa del Rey (tournament with all 4 divisions), I'm pretty sure that 4th division clubs are happy to face a legendary team and see it as a super interesting challenge.

On September 07 2016 05:01 endy wrote:


What a terrible analogy. Not only in soccer they play in a league (La Liga) which is totally different from a ladder, but when they play in the Copa del Rey (tournament with all 4 divisions), I'm pretty sure that 4th division clubs are happy to face a legendary team and see it as a super interesting challenge.

On September 07 2016 08:20 endy wrote:


I don't know, when I first started to play Starcraft online in 2005 I really didn't mind losing. I absolutely loved how challenging the game was. It was just regular battlenet and I played a mix of FMP, hunters, 1v1 on regular maps, UMS. Over 10 years later, I'm still not even good and I'm still totally fine with the current system.

You have the right not to like how ladder works, but as said many times before you also can play non-ladder games. I guess we simply have a very different mindset which explains why so many players are fine with the current system (not only top players by the way), and also a fair number players who, like you, find it problematic. I promise you we're not a bunch of old and mean veterans trying to bash noobs with smurf accounts. On the contrary, fresh blood is the best thing that can happen to the game we love, we just don't understand why losing wasn't an issue for us and it is for you.

Actually, assuming you're Highgamer on iccup, you have a pretty decent record. Out of the 12 games you played, there was one C+ high, one B- high, and one B last season. You defeated both the C+ and the B guys. A few C- high and all others were D/D+ high. Didn't beating the C+ and B guys give you a lot of satisfaction? It definitely should have. There's really no evidence supporting smurf doing noob bashing, unless you're checking everyone's record before you start the game, but then you would have banned the guy who was B last season, instead you beat him, that's awesome!

On September 08 2016 12:09 Th1rdEye wrote:
How is it fair that TL allows people to use the word "rape" in the context that they do? Like OP and few posters down. I know someone who would be very upset with seeing the word used like that, and I don't use it either. You know, some people have actually been raped

On September 08 2016 12:59 Ars0n_ wrote:
I have no fun playing d- ranked people yet somehow b rank players have tons of fun beating up on noobies when there is no challenge or risk for losing? I just dont get it.

On September 09 2016 15:38 endy wrote:


It's not that simple. Last time it was discussed on TL it sparked a 30+ pages debate.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/143803-rape-and-game-culture

On September 09 2016 15:38 endy wrote:


It's not that simple. Last time it was discussed on TL it sparked a 30+ pages debate.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/143803-rape-and-game-culture

On September 09 2016 23:55 Dazed_Spy wrote:
The fact that a lot of people can whine for extended periods of time does not complicate the fundamental issue, at all.

On September 10 2016 00:36 ProMeTheus112 wrote:

you don't have to care but you also could care, btw it sounds like you have emotional issues and whine about someone who makes a call to care

On September 10 2016 00:40 Dazed_Spy wrote:
'you disagree that saying rape is a bad thing, so I think you have emotional issues'

K.

On September 09 2016 20:30 endy wrote:


Yeah but unless you make them wear masks you'd always know who's on the field, so it was probably bad to use soccer in an analogy in the first place because well, smurfing isn't possible at all in soccer. It doesn't really matter anyway because it turns out Highgamer was agreed with my next post and was just playing the devil's advocate for Scarbo.