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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
July 13 2016 21:57 GMT
#41
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
July 13 2016 22:00 GMT
#42
On July 14 2016 06:57 Essbee wrote:
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?

This gave me a great idea. If the foreign community could vote on their top 3 new maps that'd be a huge help.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 22:08:50
July 13 2016 22:07 GMT
#43
On July 14 2016 07:00 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 06:57 Essbee wrote:
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?

This gave me a great idea. If the foreign community could vote on their top 3 new maps that'd be a huge help.


What do you have in mind?

And I wonder if Tasteless could help with this.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
July 13 2016 22:54 GMT
#44
On July 14 2016 07:07 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 07:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 14 2016 06:57 Essbee wrote:
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?

This gave me a great idea. If the foreign community could vote on their top 3 new maps that'd be a huge help.


What do you have in mind?

And I wonder if Tasteless could help with this.

I am working closely with KCM. Recently there was a foreign fund raiser to hold a KCM legends match. We are working hard to reboot the series. I think I can have him use the foreign maps during the foreign sponsored day.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 23:06:25
July 13 2016 23:06 GMT
#45
On July 14 2016 07:54 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 07:07 Essbee wrote:
On July 14 2016 07:00 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 14 2016 06:57 Essbee wrote:
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?

This gave me a great idea. If the foreign community could vote on their top 3 new maps that'd be a huge help.


What do you have in mind?

And I wonder if Tasteless could help with this.

I am working closely with KCM. Recently there was a foreign fund raiser to hold a KCM legends match. We are working hard to reboot the series. I think I can have him use the foreign maps during the foreign sponsored day.


Yeah I donated for that Would be good to see it again.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4986 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-19 03:58:17
July 14 2016 01:17 GMT
#46
Wall ins for Taebaek Mountains:
T11;
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Allows add-on placement. (Without the add-on it is still ling tight!)

T7;
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On the right side of the depot it's not ling tight. Adding another depot on top won't change that.

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I would advice against this option, because Marines will pop outside your wall.


P11;
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Workers and DTs can pass via the bottom, but not via the top.

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Dragoons can fit through the gap + allows for decent cannon placement vs. hydra bust.
Note: Place the zealot closer to the gateway than the cliff or it won't be ling tight.

P7;
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Workers and DTs can pass via the bottom, but not via the top.

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Dragoons can fit through the gap + allows for decent cannon placement vs. hydra bust.


Protoss wall ins do not take in account for 'what if Zerg runs in via the back, destroys the temples, mines out the minerals or uses burrow jump?'

Full Album

I will try to post wall ins for Overwatch within 24 48 hours in similar format.
If you have tips for improvement on formatting please PM me!
FBH #1!
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
July 14 2016 08:43 GMT
#47
@Peeano: The new map versions are actually not protected, you could save a lot of time by using SCMDraft to test walls (using the debug/enable debug+show unit collision sizes options).

On July 14 2016 06:57 Essbee wrote:
Is there any actual way we could get the korean organizers/players to know about the great foreign mapmakers we have in our community? They should definitely check the maps that have been made and consider them. Overwatch is such a goddamn joke. I wouldn't mind if it was original and unorthodox in term of balance because it has the potential to bring epic games (see Pathfinder) but it just feels like a totally worse FS kinda clone (or Jade). Hard to believe they would choose such a map for the ASL....

Maybe they could host some sort of mapping competition and judge them (players and organizers)?

It's not as if Korea lacked talented map makers of their own. Just look at the maps of LatiAs, Noah2nd, twos/single[nemec](he's used different pseudonyms) or Herb, just to name a few who have been recently active (and that's not to speak of the thriving map making community there was before SC2). And as I understand it, all of them have taken steps to promote their own maps and inform about the flaws of designated "official" maps like these. But it seems like the message simply does not get through. Seems like, whenever they want a new "official" map for an upcoming competition, Korean tournament hosts, no matter whether they are Sonic, or whoever is responsible on Afreeca right now, just keep to asking some former "pro mapper" to hastily patch together some more or less badly-made and completely untested map (and by untested I mean that you cannot even just start a game on them and be sure your mining workers won't bug out).
Maybe they figure that mappers are just too biassed and jealous when their own maps are not being picked. It is a bad reason to dismiss actual solid arguments for though.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 12:04:01
July 14 2016 11:51 GMT
#48
Lol those mains in TaekB TvZ. I guess they want zergs to win, since they've been doing poorly lately. I'd suspect mech, but its not that easy to get a third, but once it gets going hydras will be useless, only mutas and drops will be able to do something, but valks and tanks are good vs that.

Its not like its bad zvp either. High ground/choke lurkers? Yes please.

Its gonna be ridiculous tvt with those high grounds all around the mains and expos. I suspect wraiths/drops will be used more often by some people.

TvP its gonna be easy for terran to attack/defend, and easy fpr toss to take expos. These can balance out, or not, depending on the playstyles and openers. Carriers and recalls will be funny, as well as late game terran pushes.

Pvp will be full of allins/reaver drops vs defensive goons and high ground hoging with dragoons. 3 gate goons will be funny.
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-14 13:43:54
July 14 2016 13:19 GMT
#49
Cant get the name Traybake Mountains out of my head.
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@Seeker Did you see this map?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/510359-map-4overwatch_094
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
July 15 2016 02:19 GMT
#50
On July 14 2016 22:19 CardinalAllin wrote:
Cant get the name Traybake Mountains out of my head.
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@Seeker Did you see this map?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/510359-map-4overwatch_094

No I haven't before. Is this a different one? Which one came out first?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
July 15 2016 02:26 GMT
#51
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
July 15 2016 02:38 GMT
#52
On July 15 2016 11:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.

Yeah. I'll talk with KCM once we finalize the sponsor stuff. I'd love for CardinalAllin and Freakling to get their maps played on by Free, Flash, Zero, etc...
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 04:05:57
July 15 2016 04:05 GMT
#53
On July 15 2016 11:38 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 11:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.

Yeah. I'll talk with KCM once we finalize the sponsor stuff. I'd love for CardinalAllin and Freakling to get their maps played on by Free, Flash, Zero, etc...

if you need a good highly tested, tournament proven map, look no further than this one right here.
vibeo gane,
Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 09:45:09
July 15 2016 09:42 GMT
#54
@Seeker
Ragnaroks Overwatch was revealed:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/509887-new-official-map-overwatch-090

LatiAs saw it, then created and posted his map within 24 hours incredibly.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/509912-map-4overwatch_09
See my post in that thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/509912-map-4overwatch_09#17

He then tweaked the map and made a new thread which is the one I linked earlier:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/510359-map-4overwatch_094
LatiAs mentioned exams and hasnt been visible since.
I made some tweaks to his map for my own enjoyment but you can download it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/510359-map-4overwatch_094#6

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@BisuDagger Thats very kind thankyou! I'll PM you.
Star Tale Public Domain project. Maps: (2)Gates Of Memphis, (2)Marshmallow Toast, (4)Bubbles, (4)Clay Fields, (6)Numbskull Desert. Also the Vaylu Public Domain Tileset. Also Ramp Palettes, Brood War guides and some fun stuff. Links in my profile
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
July 15 2016 09:50 GMT
#55
On July 15 2016 13:05 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 11:38 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 15 2016 11:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.

Yeah. I'll talk with KCM once we finalize the sponsor stuff. I'd love for CardinalAllin and Freakling to get their maps played on by Free, Flash, Zero, etc...

if you need a good highly tested, tournament proven map, look no further than this one right here.

Protoss were crying over it...

However, if they are looking for an Overwatch map, I am sure we could come up with a version that has the logo on it...
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 15:26:31
July 15 2016 15:14 GMT
#56
if i were in charge in would rename our twilight overwatch map + use cardinal's version of latias' overwatch map and then send both maps to some korean who could help us...... and that as fast as possible (preferably yesterday)
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
July 15 2016 15:42 GMT
#57
On July 16 2016 00:14 Bakuryu wrote:
if i were in charge in would rename our twilight overwatch map + use cardinal's version of latias' overwatch map and then send both maps to some korean who could help us...... and that as fast as possible (preferably yesterday)

i made that map back in 2013, so if anything i think blizz should rename their game instead
vibeo gane,
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
July 15 2016 15:48 GMT
#58
On July 15 2016 13:05 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 11:38 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 15 2016 11:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.

Yeah. I'll talk with KCM once we finalize the sponsor stuff. I'd love for CardinalAllin and Freakling to get their maps played on by Free, Flash, Zero, etc...

if you need a good highly tested, tournament proven map, look no further than this one right here.

lol sure this map was played in leagues but this map was actually terrible for non terran users :D
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 17:15:56
July 15 2016 16:34 GMT
#59
^Come on, there were nice TvZs at least.
On July 16 2016 00:42 -NegativeZero- wrote:i made that map back in 2013, so if anything i think blizz should rename their game instead
Didn't you rip the name off Half Life? Maybe Valve should take legal action ;D
On July 16 2016 00:14 Bakuryu wrote:
if i were in charge in would rename our twilight overwatch map + use cardinal's version of latias' overwatch map and then send both maps to some korean who could help us...... and that as fast as possible (preferably yesterday)
I am pretty sure LatiAs already advertised his map himself...
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
July 15 2016 17:29 GMT
#60
On July 15 2016 13:05 -NegativeZero- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 11:38 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 15 2016 11:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
both came out about the same time, latiAs has some great maps which definitely need a push, lets see if we can make that happen BisuDagger.

Yeah. I'll talk with KCM once we finalize the sponsor stuff. I'd love for CardinalAllin and Freakling to get their maps played on by Free, Flash, Zero, etc...

if you need a good highly tested, tournament proven map, look no further than this one right here.


I fucking adore that map! Don't know why iCCup didn't add it to pack long ago when everybody pleased with it.

NegativeZero congratz also with getting your map into sc2 ladder. I miss your SC2 to BW ports.
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