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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 16 2016 02:42 GMT
#401
Have you guys started inviting people?
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 16 2016 03:41 GMT
#402
I'm curious, will there be a ranking system at all like iccup, or is there currently no plans for ranks?
When I think of something else, something will go here
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 16 2016 03:44 GMT
#403
On May 16 2016 11:19 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 09:37 xboi209 wrote:
On May 16 2016 09:22 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 16 2016 06:57 GGzerG wrote:
I wonder how long this thread will be open and people will praise / talk about this thing they haven't experienced yet, and then when it will actually be launched, I really hope this doesn't fail like Birdie's thing, kind of concerned to be honest.

You see what sucks is that birdie knew this was being worked on (yes he was told by us) and kept up with his thread promising the world anyways. Shield battery was done behind closed doors and required no praise before the product was real.

AFAIK, he was only told 2 things:
1. The name is "ShieldBattery"
2. Give up

With that in mind, he decided to continue with his server, which in my opinion, was a reasonable choice.

I was a part of Birdie's DRTL team and so when people in the bw skype groups were saying that Birdie should join forces with TL to create his server, I tried (in a rather cagey way) to recruit him for Shield Battery, linking a development video because I was failing at describing the project with words, but I don't think the project was very clear from that video. I hadn't consulted with any of the other BW staff, so it really could have blown up in my face, but fortunately Birdie is a cool dude and kept quiet about the entire thing, despite me basically leaking it. Gah. Still remember that panic feeling, when I confessed what I had done in the Shield Battery thread. I think tec or 2pac talked a little with Birdie after, but the reality is (and what I hadn't realized being little more than an observer) is at that stage there really wasn't more for another coder to do that tec and 2pac weren't already doing.

I think Birdie got too much flak for his attempt at starting a server- I don't know how much his abandoning his project was influenced by knowing there was another project more or less endorsed by TL, but he took a lot of shots from the community and never leaked the existence of Shield Battery once. So my hat is off to Birdie (Of course I already thought he was a great guy, being my team leader and all.)


The community also kind of showed the interest in such a project early on. In a sense, the flak Birdie got showed how much the community needs a new server. Well poor Birdie, but his sacrifice was not in vain :D
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MarineCA1
Profile Joined June 2015
93 Posts
May 16 2016 03:54 GMT
#404
On May 16 2016 12:41 blade55555 wrote:
I'm curious, will there be a ranking system at all like iccup, or is there currently no plans for ranks?


Yes , its confirmed.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11347 Posts
May 16 2016 05:11 GMT
#405
On May 16 2016 12:41 blade55555 wrote:
I'm curious, will there be a ranking system at all like iccup, or is there currently no plans for ranks?

I don't know if this is still the case, I remember a couple years back some big discussions on what absolutely must be included at launch, whereas other things that can be added as we go. I suspect this is still the case- tec and 2pac can correct me if I'm wrong, but it will be functional, but bare bones at the beginning. I say this because we kept quite for years so we didn't over hype until we had something, but people shouldn't be expecting a Blizzard Overwatch style beta and over hype at the end. Excited, yes; over hype, no. There will still be lots to do after launch (as I understand it, unless things have changed.) We are discussing ranked play, however.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
May 16 2016 05:38 GMT
#406
When the invites comin?
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
May 16 2016 05:53 GMT
#407
HOly COW!
Flash returns...
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
May 16 2016 06:46 GMT
#408
On May 16 2016 12:41 blade55555 wrote:
I'm curious, will there be a ranking system at all like iccup, or is there currently no plans for ranks?


There will be ranked play, and what exactly that's going to look like is in discussion presently. A solid ranked system is obviously a very high priority for me personally =)
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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
May 16 2016 07:04 GMT
#409
On May 16 2016 11:19 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 09:37 xboi209 wrote:
On May 16 2016 09:22 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 16 2016 06:57 GGzerG wrote:
I wonder how long this thread will be open and people will praise / talk about this thing they haven't experienced yet, and then when it will actually be launched, I really hope this doesn't fail like Birdie's thing, kind of concerned to be honest.

You see what sucks is that birdie knew this was being worked on (yes he was told by us) and kept up with his thread promising the world anyways. Shield battery was done behind closed doors and required no praise before the product was real.

AFAIK, he was only told 2 things:
1. The name is "ShieldBattery"
2. Give up

With that in mind, he decided to continue with his server, which in my opinion, was a reasonable choice.

I was a part of Birdie's DRTL team and so when people in the bw skype groups were saying that Birdie should join forces with TL to create his server, I tried (in a rather cagey way) to recruit him for Shield Battery, linking a development video because I was failing at describing the project with words, but I don't think the project was very clear from that video. I hadn't consulted with any of the other BW staff, so it really could have blown up in my face, but fortunately Birdie is a cool dude and kept quiet about the entire thing, despite me basically leaking it. Gah. Still remember that panic feeling, when I confessed what I had done in the Shield Battery thread. I think tec or 2pac talked a little with Birdie after, but the reality is (and what I hadn't realized being little more than an observer) is at that stage there really wasn't more for another coder to do that tec and 2pac weren't already doing.

I think Birdie got too much flak for his attempt at starting a server- I don't know how much his abandoning his project was influenced by knowing there was another project more or less endorsed by TL, but he took a lot of shots from the community and never leaked the existence of Shield Battery once. So my hat is off to Birdie (Of course I already thought he was a great guy, being my team leader and all.)

It was abandoned entirely due to lack of activity from all of the developers, which weren't many.

On a side note, IMO, Birdie got too much flak for "announcing" the server. In reality, he opened up a thread asking if people were interested in a new server and if people were, he would begin on one. With response from the TL community, it was pretty obvious from even a 5 year old that people were in fact interested, so there was no reason to hide that he began working on a new server. And actually, it would be counterproductive to so, the announcement helped draw people like me into the project, because otherwise, he probably would have been working by himself.
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Rei_Rice
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany82 Posts
May 16 2016 08:47 GMT
#410
On May 16 2016 03:46 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 00:10 Ty2 wrote:
I don't really think this server is going to revitalize the BW community to tremendous effect. The game is the main part of what makes for the BW experience so I suspect that because it's not changing neither will the community. I think everyone's overhyping how big of a deal the server is and when it finally does come the effect is gonna be underwhelming. I think there will be a short-lived influx of people playing but then they'll stop playing much like history has shown of people who play a variety of video games or people who get burnt out trying to be solely competitive. They just won't stick to Brood War. My comments aren't to undermine the effort put into the server though, and I do appreciate the tremendous work that's been accomplished so far. I'm just saying people will play BW not for any peripheral features, but for the game itself. It's like a restaurant; a restaurant can have horrible decor, lackluster service, and have a bad location, but as long as the food is phenomenal then people will still come.


Few people in the world love this game more than I do, few people have had brood war be as big part of their lives as what the case is for me. Absolutely love the game, always have, I still play it with some frequency.

There was however a 3 year period where I didn't touch the game even once. And it had nothing to do with the game itself, the reason was that I couldn't fix my internet in a way that enabled me to create games. Eventually I purchased software from portforward.net and was able, and then I started playing again.

Then I had another long hiatus after I got windows 7, because I was unable to play the game without it stretching out to the sides of my screen, and I didn't want to play in windowed mode. Eventually that also got fixed, and I started playing again.

Then I got windows 10, and suddenly, whatever I did to fix the windows 7 stretching problem stopped working, so I stopped playing. Then I loved the game so much that I started playing again with windowed mode, but it has always been kinda annoying to me. Once I tried shieldbattery, and noticed that my entire glorious screen from top to bottom was entirely dedicated to brood war, without it being stretched, with perfect black bars on the sides of the monitor, I was so happy with how it looked that I did something I hadn't done for more than a decade - I played 1v7 computer because it just.. felt so good to have the full screen brood war experience again.

Now, obviously activity is not going back to where it was in 2003 or whatever. And Brood War is still an incredibly demanding game, tiresome even, and the people who used to play it religiously are now mostly too old to still do so. But look at the resurgence of cs:go. Perfect competitive gameplay is incredibly hard to design - games that nailed it 15-20 years ago have not necessarily been improved upon since that time. Brood War is still a legendary game, and I can bet you there are thousands of players who, over the past decade, have wanted to play it again, but been discouraged by having to download a launcher and anti-hack software to log on to a private server only to find that they aren't able to create games, maybe their screen got all stretched out and they weren't dedicated enough to try to fix the issue, that they had to wait 5+ minutes to find a game, that they couldn't play their old favorite ums because nobody was around to create it. If a fraction of those players come back every half year for 3 week period of times each, we'll have enough for a server with reasonable activity. I myself know many younger gamers who never really played bw who have never had the chance to really try it out because after they learned of its legendary status as a game, they would need to spend more than an hour trying to make it work properly for their system. That is far too big of a hurdle for most people who want to try a new game - it's even discouraging for people who used to play it and loved it. With this, they can be introduced to it.



Almost the same story for me. Never thought there is someone else who had such problems with the windowed mode :D
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 16 2016 08:51 GMT
#411
On May 16 2016 16:04 xboi209 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 11:19 Falling wrote:
On May 16 2016 09:37 xboi209 wrote:
On May 16 2016 09:22 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 16 2016 06:57 GGzerG wrote:
I wonder how long this thread will be open and people will praise / talk about this thing they haven't experienced yet, and then when it will actually be launched, I really hope this doesn't fail like Birdie's thing, kind of concerned to be honest.

You see what sucks is that birdie knew this was being worked on (yes he was told by us) and kept up with his thread promising the world anyways. Shield battery was done behind closed doors and required no praise before the product was real.

AFAIK, he was only told 2 things:
1. The name is "ShieldBattery"
2. Give up

With that in mind, he decided to continue with his server, which in my opinion, was a reasonable choice.

I was a part of Birdie's DRTL team and so when people in the bw skype groups were saying that Birdie should join forces with TL to create his server, I tried (in a rather cagey way) to recruit him for Shield Battery, linking a development video because I was failing at describing the project with words, but I don't think the project was very clear from that video. I hadn't consulted with any of the other BW staff, so it really could have blown up in my face, but fortunately Birdie is a cool dude and kept quiet about the entire thing, despite me basically leaking it. Gah. Still remember that panic feeling, when I confessed what I had done in the Shield Battery thread. I think tec or 2pac talked a little with Birdie after, but the reality is (and what I hadn't realized being little more than an observer) is at that stage there really wasn't more for another coder to do that tec and 2pac weren't already doing.

I think Birdie got too much flak for his attempt at starting a server- I don't know how much his abandoning his project was influenced by knowing there was another project more or less endorsed by TL, but he took a lot of shots from the community and never leaked the existence of Shield Battery once. So my hat is off to Birdie (Of course I already thought he was a great guy, being my team leader and all.)

It was abandoned entirely due to lack of activity from all of the developers, which weren't many.

On a side note, IMO, Birdie got too much flak for "announcing" the server. In reality, he opened up a thread asking if people were interested in a new server and if people were, he would begin on one. With response from the TL community, it was pretty obvious from even a 5 year old that people were in fact interested, so there was no reason to hide that he began working on a new server. And actually, it would be counterproductive to so, the announcement helped draw people like me into the project, because otherwise, he probably would have been working by himself.


There was nothing wrong with what you described. I think what was really annoying was tons of discussions about meaningless details while core functions were far from being done (or some even started).

Commonly known as "bike-shedding".

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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 16 2016 09:22 GMT
#412
People took my thread as a promise of a server, rather than looking for interest and discussion of what was wanted. I was always very careful to never promise anything because I knew that the chances of completion were fairly low, given the kind of project and my lack of experience. I knew of tec27's project and thought it sounded very promising but had no idea whether it would ever happen, which is why we continued with StarServer.

This sounds very promising, congratulations to tec27 and team for getting this far. I look forward to playing on the new server.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
May 16 2016 11:15 GMT
#413
On May 16 2016 18:22 Birdie wrote:
People took my thread as a promise of a server, rather than looking for interest and discussion of what was wanted. I was always very careful to never promise anything because I knew that the chances of completion were fairly low, given the kind of project and my lack of experience. I knew of tec27's project and thought it sounded very promising but had no idea whether it would ever happen, which is why we continued with StarServer.

This sounds very promising, congratulations to tec27 and team for getting this far. I look forward to playing on the new server.

Regardless of the outcome of that server, you are still awesome Birdie!
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2016 11:57 GMT
#414
On May 16 2016 18:22 Birdie wrote:
People took my thread as a promise of a server, rather than looking for interest and discussion of what was wanted. I was always very careful to never promise anything because I knew that the chances of completion were fairly low, given the kind of project and my lack of experience. I knew of tec27's project and thought it sounded very promising but had no idea whether it would ever happen, which is why we continued with StarServer.

This sounds very promising, congratulations to tec27 and team for getting this far. I look forward to playing on the new server.


Dude, good job for trying, really. We are just lucky that there was another similar project being developed and one of them succeeded. If it was not starserver, then shieldbattery was trying to achieve basically the same thing, so it's just a win for all sc1 fans (us) and it's good to know that something that you already brought to the public in 2013 can actually be done for real, and we have the proof here with this project.
Holint_Casazr
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Germany72 Posts
May 16 2016 12:09 GMT
#415
I never played BW (or any RTS for that matter, besides a bit of C&C and AoE 10 years back), but always liked watching it since around 08/09, following the scene, be it korean pros or foreigners, thinking to myself "come on, just try it" but never bothered, with all the stuff i've read about matchmaking, port-forwarding difficult to find D----- games etc.

This sounds very, very amazing and I look forward to playing my first ever game of BW/Starcraft (and losing a hundred times), if/when this goes open beta!
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2016 12:12 GMT
#416
On May 16 2016 21:09 Holint_Casazr wrote:
I never played BW (or any RTS for that matter, besides a bit of C&C and AoE 10 years back), but always liked watching it since around 08/09, following the scene, be it korean pros or foreigners, thinking to myself "come on, just try it" but never bothered, with all the stuff i've read about matchmaking, port-forwarding difficult to find D----- games etc.

This sounds very, very amazing and I look forward to playing my first ever game of BW/Starcraft (and losing a hundred times), if/when this goes open beta!


I recommend convincing a friend who has never played bw and learn with you, it creates a small rivalry between you two and you can help each other by reviewing your replays and improving together. It can be more satisfying than playing alone and just losing non-stop
Skyblueone
Profile Joined June 2012
Belgium155 Posts
May 16 2016 14:01 GMT
#417
If your are not inviting people you are going to kill the hype.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1356 Posts
May 16 2016 14:16 GMT
#418
sounds fun, invite please
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ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
May 16 2016 15:14 GMT
#419
Come on could you send the invites so general public could test it more? It would speed up the process.
I mean, you made it public, people sent you requests, let them have it now.

GL with project, I'm in!
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1761 Posts
May 16 2016 15:15 GMT
#420
Invite the oldest TL users first!
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