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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 15 2007 12:15 GMT
#21
haha .kaz you speak of this so called "SportsCenter"?

oh one thing that can also work, is to have the vods of these "lower" games available on the OGN webpage, instead of through the TV airtimes. That would be a good compromise I think, with fans able to tune into their favorite players' games?
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-15 12:27:45
March 15 2007 12:21 GMT
#22
On March 15 2007 21:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
haha .kaz you speak of this so called "SportsCenter"?

oh one thing that can also work, is to have the vods of these "lower" games available on the OGN webpage, instead of through the TV airtimes. That would be a good compromise I think, with fans able to tune into their favorite players' games?


Haha, shh, im not really a sports fan i couldn't think of the name

On March 15 2007 21:14 himurakenshin wrote:
I think teams should be the main part of starcraft progaming, not induvidual leagues. Induvidual leagues should only be for champion players. Starcraft should be shown as more as a team sport. Proleague should be the number one starcraft source. OSL and MSL should only be once a year.


You just hit the nail on the head kid. We need more 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 games. Im tired of 1v1's, with minimal action, when you could have a 4v4. An action packed, 8 amazing 300+ apm players on huge maps having epic battles all over the map, not a single second of downtime. Even more amazing? An 8 player Pro FFA. While 1v1's do show skill and rank, wouldn't it be alot funner to see 4x the players, strats, harass, micro, macro? I guess thats for another time and place, wink wink hint hint someone start the thread before i do.
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
ShcShc
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada912 Posts
March 15 2007 12:29 GMT
#23
On March 15 2007 20:47 MYM.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 20:39 Kennigit wrote:
No but i think they need to start forced retirement or something. Seeing the same players over and over making leagues is kind of boring.

Actually wait i have a better idea. Rookie tournament where all the rookies for teams battle off for best new progamer status (draco would have to be included in this )


YOU HAVE A STAR ON YOUR NAME AFTER THIS POST? REVOKED.

Jesus fucking christ I want to slap the shit out of you right now for making a post so blatantly fucking stupid my head damn near exploded.

"Hey, thanks for working so hard and putting off everything in your life to make it this far for shitty pay (for most people). You've been playing too long though sir, in your lengthy 2 year career. GTFO."


XD.
Wow. nicely said..
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13528 Posts
March 15 2007 12:29 GMT
#24
Team games are boring imo compared to 1v1. 2v2 isn't so bad, but could you imagine a 3v3 or 4v4? Mass zeal + ling + mnm battles. =[
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
March 15 2007 12:33 GMT
#25
On March 15 2007 21:21 .kaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
haha .kaz you speak of this so called "SportsCenter"?

oh one thing that can also work, is to have the vods of these "lower" games available on the OGN webpage, instead of through the TV airtimes. That would be a good compromise I think, with fans able to tune into their favorite players' games?


Haha, shh, im not really a sports fan i couldn't think of the name

Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:14 himurakenshin wrote:
I think teams should be the main part of starcraft progaming, not induvidual leagues. Induvidual leagues should only be for champion players. Starcraft should be shown as more as a team sport. Proleague should be the number one starcraft source. OSL and MSL should only be once a year.


You just hit the nail on the head kid. We need more 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 games. Im tired of 1v1's, with minimal action, when you could have a 4v4. An action packed, 8 amazing 300+ apm players on huge maps having epic battles all over the map, not a single second of downtime. Even more amazing? An 8 player Pro FFA. While 1v1's do show skill and rank, wouldn't it be alot funner to see 4x the players, strats, harass, micro, macro? I guess thats for another time and place, wink wink hint hint someone start the thread before i do.
anything bigger than 2v2 stops being competitive, there's absolutely nothing you can do to save someone in a 4v1 rush situation
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 15 2007 12:33 GMT
#26
i would much prefer something along these lines with a system of promotions/relegation for the OSL. I never really realized it until looking at the PSL draw and results that it almost is a huge game of rock scissors paper on who you see in starleagues. I thought about this for the proleague previously, using amateur teams as well as the pro teams, but i think it might be a much better idea in the single leagues.
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berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-15 12:37:06
March 15 2007 12:34 GMT
#27
On March 15 2007 21:29 ShcShc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 20:47 MYM.Testie wrote:
On March 15 2007 20:39 Kennigit wrote:
No but i think they need to start forced retirement or something. Seeing the same players over and over making leagues is kind of boring.

Actually wait i have a better idea. Rookie tournament where all the rookies for teams battle off for best new progamer status (draco would have to be included in this )


YOU HAVE A STAR ON YOUR NAME AFTER THIS POST? REVOKED.

Jesus fucking christ I want to slap the shit out of you right now for making a post so blatantly fucking stupid my head damn near exploded.

"Hey, thanks for working so hard and putting off everything in your life to make it this far for shitty pay (for most people). You've been playing too long though sir, in your lengthy 2 year career. GTFO."


XD.
Wow. nicely said..


Wow, just when I thought Testie's post couldn't get worse someone actually congratulates him on his post? If he was anyone else would they be allowed to talk to people like this?

I highly doubt that he was saying after 2 years ship the guys out because they are still there. Just because Testie is good at starcraft doesn't give him a right to be a complete asshole
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2007 12:38 GMT
#28
no, sc is an individualized game, maybe have the individual play be more diversified and interesting, the team plays introduce only drama, nothing else.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
March 15 2007 12:38 GMT
#29
On March 15 2007 21:33 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:21 .kaz wrote:
On March 15 2007 21:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
haha .kaz you speak of this so called "SportsCenter"?

oh one thing that can also work, is to have the vods of these "lower" games available on the OGN webpage, instead of through the TV airtimes. That would be a good compromise I think, with fans able to tune into their favorite players' games?


Haha, shh, im not really a sports fan i couldn't think of the name

On March 15 2007 21:14 himurakenshin wrote:
I think teams should be the main part of starcraft progaming, not induvidual leagues. Induvidual leagues should only be for champion players. Starcraft should be shown as more as a team sport. Proleague should be the number one starcraft source. OSL and MSL should only be once a year.


You just hit the nail on the head kid. We need more 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 games. Im tired of 1v1's, with minimal action, when you could have a 4v4. An action packed, 8 amazing 300+ apm players on huge maps having epic battles all over the map, not a single second of downtime. Even more amazing? An 8 player Pro FFA. While 1v1's do show skill and rank, wouldn't it be alot funner to see 4x the players, strats, harass, micro, macro? I guess thats for another time and place, wink wink hint hint someone start the thread before i do.
anything bigger than 2v2 stops being competitive, there's absolutely nothing you can do to save someone in a 4v1 rush situation


Very true, but 4v1 rush, that means its 3 people with good economy and decent army vs 4 with absolutly nothing but early rush units. It would quickly become 3v3 or 3v2..
Pressure - "rock is the defender of justice" 이병민 / 박영민 Hwaiting~
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2007 12:42 GMT
#30
On March 15 2007 21:38 .kaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:33 Zanno wrote:
On March 15 2007 21:21 .kaz wrote:
On March 15 2007 21:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
haha .kaz you speak of this so called "SportsCenter"?

oh one thing that can also work, is to have the vods of these "lower" games available on the OGN webpage, instead of through the TV airtimes. That would be a good compromise I think, with fans able to tune into their favorite players' games?


Haha, shh, im not really a sports fan i couldn't think of the name

On March 15 2007 21:14 himurakenshin wrote:
I think teams should be the main part of starcraft progaming, not induvidual leagues. Induvidual leagues should only be for champion players. Starcraft should be shown as more as a team sport. Proleague should be the number one starcraft source. OSL and MSL should only be once a year.


You just hit the nail on the head kid. We need more 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 games. Im tired of 1v1's, with minimal action, when you could have a 4v4. An action packed, 8 amazing 300+ apm players on huge maps having epic battles all over the map, not a single second of downtime. Even more amazing? An 8 player Pro FFA. While 1v1's do show skill and rank, wouldn't it be alot funner to see 4x the players, strats, harass, micro, macro? I guess thats for another time and place, wink wink hint hint someone start the thread before i do.
anything bigger than 2v2 stops being competitive, there's absolutely nothing you can do to save someone in a 4v1 rush situation


Very true, but 4v1 rush, that means its 3 people with good economy and decent army vs 4 with absolutly nothing but early rush units. It would quickly become 3v3 or 3v2..
then we'll have no noticeable strategic improvement to speak of. taking into account limited power of the televised view of the game it would become chaotic.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
March 15 2007 13:14 GMT
#31
On March 15 2007 21:08 .kaz wrote:
Ok, i have a question for you guys. How many of you watch sports channels after there are a ton of football (american), soccer, hockey, basketball, baseball, tennis, etc. games have been on and you weren't able to watch them all? Ok, im sure atleast everyone has seen one or two sports shows, and instead of showing the entire games, they show small clips of the "gg plays" and the final scores and who won, going through like 30 games in 10 minutes so you know the highlights and winners of each game, WTF can't OGN and MBC make a 1 hour show every week to just highlight all the games so instead of having to watch all of them you could just tune in and stay up to date..? This would eliminate the problem with only showing certain games (for the most part) and this way even if you missed the game you don't have to go download a VOD, you can just watch a quick highlight and get up to date.


I wouldn't watch it. In sports highlight, people can be doing similar activities but the faces aren't the same. In BW, the units are the same and the micro isn't so much different at that level. It lacks personality.
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
March 15 2007 13:28 GMT
#32
They should make the PSL groups round-robin BO3 in groups of 8, top two from each group advance. It would take longer but it's not like there's a compelling need to rush through it all in one day anyway, and it would be a good way to reduce the luck factor.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
March 15 2007 13:30 GMT
#33
On March 15 2007 21:34 bErAtEd- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:29 ShcShc wrote:
On March 15 2007 20:47 MYM.Testie wrote:
On March 15 2007 20:39 Kennigit wrote:
No but i think they need to start forced retirement or something. Seeing the same players over and over making leagues is kind of boring.

Actually wait i have a better idea. Rookie tournament where all the rookies for teams battle off for best new progamer status (draco would have to be included in this )


YOU HAVE A STAR ON YOUR NAME AFTER THIS POST? REVOKED.

Jesus fucking christ I want to slap the shit out of you right now for making a post so blatantly fucking stupid my head damn near exploded.

"Hey, thanks for working so hard and putting off everything in your life to make it this far for shitty pay (for most people). You've been playing too long though sir, in your lengthy 2 year career. GTFO."


XD.
Wow. nicely said..


Wow, just when I thought Testie's post couldn't get worse someone actually congratulates him on his post? If he was anyone else would they be allowed to talk to people like this?

I highly doubt that he was saying after 2 years ship the guys out because they are still there. Just because Testie is good at starcraft doesn't give him a right to be a complete asshole

Testie was right this time, forcibily kicking "old" players out of the leagues is an incredibly bad idea.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27178 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-15 13:40:28
March 15 2007 13:32 GMT
#34
His way of saying the idea was wrong was not right though.
ModeratorGodfather
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
March 15 2007 13:33 GMT
#35
On March 15 2007 22:30 gravity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2007 21:34 bErAtEd- wrote:
On March 15 2007 21:29 ShcShc wrote:
On March 15 2007 20:47 MYM.Testie wrote:
On March 15 2007 20:39 Kennigit wrote:
No but i think they need to start forced retirement or something. Seeing the same players over and over making leagues is kind of boring.

Actually wait i have a better idea. Rookie tournament where all the rookies for teams battle off for best new progamer status (draco would have to be included in this )


YOU HAVE A STAR ON YOUR NAME AFTER THIS POST? REVOKED.

Jesus fucking christ I want to slap the shit out of you right now for making a post so blatantly fucking stupid my head damn near exploded.

"Hey, thanks for working so hard and putting off everything in your life to make it this far for shitty pay (for most people). You've been playing too long though sir, in your lengthy 2 year career. GTFO."


XD.
Wow. nicely said..


Wow, just when I thought Testie's post couldn't get worse someone actually congratulates him on his post? If he was anyone else would they be allowed to talk to people like this?

I highly doubt that he was saying after 2 years ship the guys out because they are still there. Just because Testie is good at starcraft doesn't give him a right to be a complete asshole

Testie was right this time, forcibily kicking "old" players out of the leagues is an incredibly bad idea.


How is this completely right? If they are still winning then yes I agree let them play. But do you think that yellow's position was well deserved? He looked horrible! I don't think that Kennigit was saying as soon as someone hits a 3 yr limit remove them from starleagues and don't ever let them come back.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2007 13:37 GMT
#36
you dont force people to retire, the money involved and the people involved do that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
March 15 2007 13:42 GMT
#37
There should be a league where everyone with a progamer license could participate and that longs all the year.. like in tenis.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-03-15 14:08:29
March 15 2007 14:07 GMT
#38
Still, a forced retirement is simply a bad idea. I just went super hyberbole on it because it struck me as that ludicrous of an idea.

Familiar faces is part of what gives fans a chance to be fans. You love to watch your favourite player play in sports. And people really enjoy seeing boxer play. It's not really any different. Sometimes they simply have a certain flare, play style, look, or some trait that makes them stick.

I personally love seeing crocop / fedor fights because they show that it's a real art form if you pay close attention. Or love seeing how Iverson draws double and triple teams to himself in basketball then either blow past them or make a hole in openings and pass it out.

Forcing a retirement in careers that haven't even lasted long as it's a completely new game / aspect is just too silly of an idea to take seriously at any level on any sport. Imo it'd be catoring to a very very very small minority, and would definitely lower the caliber of the games if you force all the best to simply quit after an arbitrary amount of time. It simply takes away from the sport.

The field of good players they had to go through to be at that point is what makes people respect consistent users in starleague so much and gives an air of true professionalism to the game. It's hard enough to get to a starleague given the field of players as it is.

Opening other leagues, where more matches can be played is imo a great idea and takes nothing away from the sport but simply provides more for it and creates even more interest. Win win situation really. More games for fans. More players get to play. More advertisements means more sponsorship, more money, more everything, no?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
March 15 2007 14:15 GMT
#39
On March 15 2007 23:07 MYM.Testie wrote:
Still, a forced retirement is simply a bad idea. I just went super hyberbole on it because it struck me as that ludicrous of an idea.

Familiar faces is part of what gives fans a chance to be fans. You love to watch your favourite player play in sports. And people really enjoy seeing boxer play. It's not really any different. Sometimes they simply have a certain flare, play style, look, or some trait that makes them stick.

I personally love seeing crocop / fedor fights because they show that it's a real art form if you pay close attention. Or love seeing how Iverson draws double and triple teams to himself in basketball then either blow past them or make a hole in openings and pass it out.

Forcing a retirement in careers that haven't even lasted long as it's a completely new game / aspect is just too silly of an idea to take seriously at any level on any sport. Imo it'd be catoring to a very very very small minority, and would definitely lower the caliber of the games if you force all the best to simply quit after an arbitrary amount of time. It simply takes away from the sport.

The field of good players they had to go through to be at that point is what makes people respect consistent users in starleague so much and gives an air of true professionalism to the game. It's hard enough to get to a starleague given the field of players as it is.

Opening other leagues, where more matches can be played is imo a great idea and takes nothing away from the sport but simply provides more for it and creates even more interest. Win win situation really. More games for fans. More players get to play. More advertisements means more sponsorship, more money, more everything, no?


Thanks for the response. I followed everything really well until you started talking about Iverson.

What you said implied defense in the NBA - something which I never knew existed
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
March 15 2007 16:09 GMT
#40
superfight 6 should be something crazy like groups of 3 person ffa
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