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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 08:57:38
March 22 2016 08:56 GMT
#21
On March 22 2016 17:49 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 17:46 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:21 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 10:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 21 2016 06:07 prech wrote:
On March 21 2016 02:00 StarN wrote:
Hey guys I'm working on a presentation and I wasn't able to figure out how to get TLPD to show me OSL win-loss records for TvP PvZ and ZvT

That is, is there a (mostly) completed win-loss statistic for every OSL game played (in Brood War)?

Alas, didn't separate based on the league itself (OSL, MSL, etc,), but cumulatively for the Korean leagues --

For individual standard leagues (non-show matches):
v 1254-1042 or 54.6%
v 1192-1139 or 51.1%
v 1871-1597 or 54.0%

For team standard leagues (non-show matches)
v 709-644 or 52.4%
v 742-702 or 51.4%
v 800-684 or 53.9%


Yup, there's still a bit of imba. Not a whole lot, but some.

I thought maps were supposed to take care of ALL of that? Some ppl say so, anyway.



This is over the course of what, 13 years of competitive play? How much has the meta shifted in one race's favor, how much have the maps changed? Lol.

Was way ahead of ya there, mon Capitaine Obvious. See post #8. 'Lol'.


But you ignored the maps doe. We all know that if the maps had been more balanced, Jaedong would win 8 finals in a row.

So Flash never beat Jaedong, it was all just the mean ol' maps' doing??




It's really KeSPA and mapmaker's fault, but Flash is not free of blame either.

Source

Ah, okay, so you're just mad at that guy in the other thread and want to rub it in. Got it.


User was warned for being hilarious
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
March 22 2016 08:56 GMT
#22
On March 22 2016 17:49 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 17:46 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:21 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 10:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 21 2016 06:07 prech wrote:
On March 21 2016 02:00 StarN wrote:
Hey guys I'm working on a presentation and I wasn't able to figure out how to get TLPD to show me OSL win-loss records for TvP PvZ and ZvT

That is, is there a (mostly) completed win-loss statistic for every OSL game played (in Brood War)?

Alas, didn't separate based on the league itself (OSL, MSL, etc,), but cumulatively for the Korean leagues --

For individual standard leagues (non-show matches):
v 1254-1042 or 54.6%
v 1192-1139 or 51.1%
v 1871-1597 or 54.0%

For team standard leagues (non-show matches)
v 709-644 or 52.4%
v 742-702 or 51.4%
v 800-684 or 53.9%


Yup, there's still a bit of imba. Not a whole lot, but some.

I thought maps were supposed to take care of ALL of that? Some ppl say so, anyway.



This is over the course of what, 13 years of competitive play? How much has the meta shifted in one race's favor, how much have the maps changed? Lol.

Was way ahead of ya there, mon Capitaine Obvious. See post #8. 'Lol'.


But you ignored the maps doe. We all know that if the maps had been more balanced, Jaedong would win 8 finals in a row.

So Flash never beat Jaedong, it was all just the mean ol' maps' doing??




It's really KeSPA and mapmaker's fault, but Flash is not free of blame either.

Source

yes he is. and you have no way of proving that JD lost all those finals just becouse of maps
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10323 Posts
March 22 2016 08:58 GMT
#23
On March 22 2016 17:56 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 17:49 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 17:46 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:21 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 10:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 21 2016 06:07 prech wrote:
On March 21 2016 02:00 StarN wrote:
Hey guys I'm working on a presentation and I wasn't able to figure out how to get TLPD to show me OSL win-loss records for TvP PvZ and ZvT

That is, is there a (mostly) completed win-loss statistic for every OSL game played (in Brood War)?

Alas, didn't separate based on the league itself (OSL, MSL, etc,), but cumulatively for the Korean leagues --

For individual standard leagues (non-show matches):
v 1254-1042 or 54.6%
v 1192-1139 or 51.1%
v 1871-1597 or 54.0%

For team standard leagues (non-show matches)
v 709-644 or 52.4%
v 742-702 or 51.4%
v 800-684 or 53.9%


Yup, there's still a bit of imba. Not a whole lot, but some.

I thought maps were supposed to take care of ALL of that? Some ppl say so, anyway.



This is over the course of what, 13 years of competitive play? How much has the meta shifted in one race's favor, how much have the maps changed? Lol.

Was way ahead of ya there, mon Capitaine Obvious. See post #8. 'Lol'.


But you ignored the maps doe. We all know that if the maps had been more balanced, Jaedong would win 8 finals in a row.

So Flash never beat Jaedong, it was all just the mean ol' maps' doing??




It's really KeSPA and mapmaker's fault, but Flash is not free of blame either.

Source

Ah, okay, so you're just mad at that guy in the other thread and want to rub it in. Got it.



Guess I shoulda added a /s at the end of the initial post to be more obvious ):
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 12:57:51
March 22 2016 09:09 GMT
#24
On March 22 2016 17:58 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 17:56 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 17:49 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 17:46 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:42 Jealous wrote:
On March 22 2016 16:21 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 22 2016 10:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On March 21 2016 06:07 prech wrote:
On March 21 2016 02:00 StarN wrote:
Hey guys I'm working on a presentation and I wasn't able to figure out how to get TLPD to show me OSL win-loss records for TvP PvZ and ZvT

That is, is there a (mostly) completed win-loss statistic for every OSL game played (in Brood War)?

Alas, didn't separate based on the league itself (OSL, MSL, etc,), but cumulatively for the Korean leagues --

For individual standard leagues (non-show matches):
v 1254-1042 or 54.6%
v 1192-1139 or 51.1%
v 1871-1597 or 54.0%

For team standard leagues (non-show matches)
v 709-644 or 52.4%
v 742-702 or 51.4%
v 800-684 or 53.9%


Yup, there's still a bit of imba. Not a whole lot, but some.

I thought maps were supposed to take care of ALL of that? Some ppl say so, anyway.



This is over the course of what, 13 years of competitive play? How much has the meta shifted in one race's favor, how much have the maps changed? Lol.

Was way ahead of ya there, mon Capitaine Obvious. See post #8. 'Lol'.


But you ignored the maps doe. We all know that if the maps had been more balanced, Jaedong would win 8 finals in a row.

So Flash never beat Jaedong, it was all just the mean ol' maps' doing??




It's really KeSPA and mapmaker's fault, but Flash is not free of blame either.

Source

Ah, okay, so you're just mad at that guy in the other thread and want to rub it in. Got it.



Guess I shoulda added a /s at the end of the initial post to be more obvious ):


Sarcasm can be a tough art to master.


User was warned for being hilarious
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
March 22 2016 17:04 GMT
#25
Thank you Prech for helping me! Very interesting findings.
Retired BW Noob
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary959 Posts
March 22 2016 18:57 GMT
#26
On March 22 2016 11:22 puppykiller wrote:
I would like to see the race statistics of iccup games :3


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