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I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but:
Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement.
Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I can't remember him blocking units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers)
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On March 09 2016 05:35 Highgamer wrote:I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but: Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement. Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I haven't seen him block units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers)
This is the truth.
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That Flash ZvT vs Best gave me a heart attack watching
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On March 09 2016 05:35 Highgamer wrote:I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but: Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement. Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I can't remember him blocking units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers)
Yeah it's true, but given that he's been away for a long time. I think this is one of the things he will improve upon once he gets really back into the game. He said his hand speed is lacking, maybe with more speed he'll be able to take more time building stuff in the correct order.
As terran, for example. Simcity can do wonders. Flash's simcity was always very good, now it's not outstanding.
I guess it's because he haven't had time to practice on this and forgot about some building placements on fighting spirit. But if you intend to mech switch, you can place your barracks in a way that helps placing factories later on and so on...
Either way, I think what you say is true for now. But as the monster evolves, we might see some difference.
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On March 09 2016 08:26 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2016 05:35 Highgamer wrote:I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but: Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement. Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I can't remember him blocking units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers) Yeah it's true, but given that he's been away for a long time. I think this is one of the things he will improve upon once he gets really back into the game. He said his hand speed is lacking, maybe with more speed he'll be able to take more time building stuff in the correct order. As terran, for example. Simcity can do wonders. Flash's simcity was always very good, now it's not outstanding. I guess it's because he haven't had time to practice on this and forgot about some building placements on fighting spirit. But if you intend to mech switch, you can place your barracks in a way that helps placing factories later on and so on... Either way, I think what you say is true for now. But as the monster evolves, we might see some difference.
I think it takes time to get his intuition back. Given that he just came back, he doesn't have godlike intuition that allows for maphack scans anymore. However the more he plays, the more he can make decisions by pure instinct without thinking much about it, which allows for better building placement. Flash is still as intelligent as ever, but in his prime his decision making was effortless because it came from his instinct rather than thought.
If you remember the old WCG documentary with Xellos, what progamers and casuals distinguish is the instinct. Flash had this at a godtier in his prime which distinguished him from everyone else. It wasn't because of his micro or macro where others are arguably better in.
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I don't think a mere human can appreciate and recognize Flash's playing style. Maybe in the future, the advanced artificial intelligences may have a shot. But just maybe.
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On March 09 2016 05:35 Highgamer wrote:I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but: Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement. Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I can't remember him blocking units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers)
And here I thought it was just better for defending vs drops 
Especially vs recalls, that kind of erratic building placement trips up units and doesn't give them as efficient an aggregate of attack. It's like 20 AI pylons. Vs Zerg making tight corridors is pretty good vs lings, and makes defilers less effective.
Organized building placement just makes it easier to macro and know where to put stuff without screwing up your pathing.
I have to admit the way Flash places is factories after lifting off rax would be hard for most players to deal with. But it has legitimate advantages. If your buildings are all over the place, you're less likely to get dominated by two really good dark swarms.
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On March 09 2016 05:35 Highgamer wrote:I'm not saying "Flash does it so it must be perfect", of course he could place his buildings more neatly, but: Sometimes you can see him literally throw depots and stuff down in the blink of an eye as if his attention was 99,9% somewhere else, which doesn't buy him much time in the end, but it saves attention, he doesn't have to interupt his thought (I'd say: it saves something like the "semi-active-brain-time" that is required to place a building neatly). We all know Flash has one of the best macros out there and to me it seems that he is jumping between places much more, doing things in even smaller steps than other progamers. He drops supply-filler-depots and factories just passing by, only checking "does it block?". He also makes better decisions than his opponents regularly, and maybe all that wouldn't be possible if he strifed for perfect building-placement. Look at it from this angle: Flash - quite obviously - doesn't need better building placement to be the best, so why would he bother about the hand full of games he looses through this with hundreds of wins only he could get with his messy + Show Spoiler +building-placement? I think Flash's sometimes "sloppy" building-placement is not the reason for, but a consequence of his superior thought about macro-timings, economy-setups and strategic decisions... (and I can't remember him blocking units more than, ye, in that one or two games people can link... actually Flash is infamous for his perfect building-placement when it matters, walls, turrets, bunkers)
Placing supply depots hap haphazardly in the middle of unit movement or micro is a classic Flash thing to do.
You can see it in old games from his professional debut.
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Thanks OP for posting the vods on the first page you're such a hero!
Btw does anyone know what JD is doing right now? Would be awesome to see him stream as well.
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isnt jd still playing sc2?
its a pity because a tbls reunion on afreeca would be awesome
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On March 10 2016 10:26 evilfatsh1t wrote:
isnt jd still playing sc2?
its a pity because a tbls reunion on afreeca would be awesome
military beckons for both of them (stork and jd)...
and just before or right after that, fan requests will make them try their hands on afreeca streaming, you can bet on it.
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world champions in major esports games not being exempt from military is ludicrous. tbls should be able skip military under the condition that they stream bw together on afreeca. if they dont, then they can go to the army
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Thanks a lot, I wish they had the English version...
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On March 10 2016 10:20 Dante08 wrote:
Thanks OP for posting the vods on the first page you're such a hero!
Btw does anyone know what JD is doing right now? Would be awesome to see him stream as well.
He is earning money being a SC2 player.
Earning because there are no results that one can be happy with.
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Looks like Young Ho went out before streaming.
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has he played any game today ?
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anyone knows who he is playing against? ZvP
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