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[KSL] Enter Mind

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shaggles
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland108 Posts
February 06 2015 19:09 GMT
#8
Although I really enjoyed the serious meta-gaming performance of Kwanro, that allowed him to overcome Killer's play, I would prefer Zero to win this game and face Mind in the finals. I am just very curious about that 2 base hive play Zero played against Mong. I haven't seen anything like that (at least for a long time), and I wonder, whether it is a legit strategy, or Zero just got lucky twice in a row (?). Also, if you happen to know any notable games, where this 2 base hive was executed, please let me know.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19208 Posts
February 06 2015 19:15 GMT
#9
On February 07 2015 04:09 shaggles wrote:
Although I really enjoyed the serious meta-gaming performance of Kwanro, that allowed him to overcome Killer's play, I would prefer Zero to win this game and face Mind in the finals. I am just very curious about that 2 base hive play Zero played against Mong. I haven't seen anything like that (at least for a long time), and I wonder, whether it is a legit strategy, or Zero just got lucky twice in a row (?). Also, if you happen to know any notable games, where this 2 base hive was executed, please let me know.

He faced Mong again in the 41SL this morning. You should watch the vods on that!
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
February 06 2015 19:22 GMT
#10
Brood War is so fucking fun
Damn, man
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
February 06 2015 19:43 GMT
#11
Zerooooo. I'm starting to believe again. I'd really love to see a breakdown on his new strategy against terran. I wonder what situations he uses it in, and why it seems to work better.
Exitor45
Profile Joined August 2012
United States72 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-06 22:22:18
February 06 2015 22:21 GMT
#12
These set gif files to show the highlights are great, really helps make the write up more enjoyable. Keep it up!
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6505 Posts
February 06 2015 22:25 GMT
#13
people talking about new strategy.what a facepalm,killer and many other zergs do it often and there is not many solutions if the terran play to denied the third,so he made some extra sunks and goes for the terran expansion to hurt a bit,killing scvs and sniping marines.I remember Jaedong at some point just send two drones to 2 differents locations,so if the terran comes to one he cancel and make another one,and it also gives extra time to the lurkers,but the expo is late anyways.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2212 Posts
February 06 2015 22:57 GMT
#14
SSL/KSL coverage is so good, and the embedded gifs are awesome, good job!
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
February 06 2015 23:19 GMT
#15
Good article, but I think not calling it Inter Mind was a missed opportunity.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
February 07 2015 00:45 GMT
#16
This is mind's tournament to lose.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
February 07 2015 01:08 GMT
#17
On February 07 2015 07:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
people talking about new strategy.what a facepalm,killer and many other zergs do it often and there is not many solutions if the terran play to denied the third,so he made some extra sunks and goes for the terran expansion to hurt a bit,killing scvs and sniping marines.I remember Jaedong at some point just send two drones to 2 differents locations,so if the terran comes to one he cancel and make another one,and it also gives extra time to the lurkers,but the expo is late anyways.

Hmm, interesting. One thing I'm not clear about though, is he researches hive before morphing any lurkers, which definitely seems different from the classic ZvT 3 hatch build I learned. Is this really so common? Is it specific to play against double cc?
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 07 2015 01:37 GMT
#18
Hero can't win Mind but Zero will beat Kwanro and then Zero will beat Mind. I am willing to bet my children on it.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
February 07 2015 03:31 GMT
#19
On February 07 2015 10:37 dRaW wrote:
Hero can't win Mind but Zero will beat Kwanro and then Zero will beat Mind. I am willing to bet my children on it.

ZerO ZvT is looking really good in 2015, but ZerO did lose 1-3 to Fengzi in Chinese OSL ._.
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SWAT-Kat
Profile Joined July 2011
United States311 Posts
February 07 2015 03:45 GMT
#20
So is a rating of "R+" basically like receiving a participation ribbon back in elementary school?
Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
February 07 2015 06:46 GMT
#21
Even if I can't catch any of these live, I definitely need to check out the VoDs for these, from the sounds of it!
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
February 07 2015 06:58 GMT
#22
Wow zero vs mong was a great series!

When mech 1-1 upgrades finished, Mong attacked 12 with his tanks while his vultures go to 11. The vultures run into spines and get annihilated quickly.


I can't help but to scream when I saw that

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Hungry_Ghost
Profile Joined January 2015
Korea (South)46 Posts
February 07 2015 08:49 GMT
#23
:D nice
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shaggles
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland108 Posts
February 07 2015 10:46 GMT
#24
On February 07 2015 07:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
people talking about new strategy.what a facepalm,killer and many other zergs do it often and there is not many solutions if the terran play to denied the third,so he made some extra sunks and goes for the terran expansion to hurt a bit,killing scvs and sniping marines.I remember Jaedong at some point just send two drones to 2 differents locations,so if the terran comes to one he cancel and make another one,and it also gives extra time to the lurkers,but the expo is late anyways.

From what I have seen, the "some extra sunks" were deliberate, and the play looked different from the usual intention "make 3rd - terran gets aggresive - secure with lurkers on the ramp - hope terran insists on forcing ramp preferably without tanks and vessels - oh shit, there is drop on my...". I dont say it is brand new strategy, just didn't see that in a hundreds of games that I watched recently. So if you can link to any of actual games played, it would be more productive than facepalming. Thank you.
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myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
February 07 2015 12:50 GMT
#25
There were only two other zergs who could perform that level of play in mech ZvT, Soulkey and JD.
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1239 Posts
February 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#26
Kinda scary to see Bisu do so horribly, reminds me of the just-before-SC2 days where he was cannon rushing all the freaking time
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 09 2015 19:53 GMT
#27
On February 07 2015 10:08 nbaker wrote:
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On February 07 2015 07:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
people talking about new strategy.what a facepalm,killer and many other zergs do it often and there is not many solutions if the terran play to denied the third,so he made some extra sunks and goes for the terran expansion to hurt a bit,killing scvs and sniping marines.I remember Jaedong at some point just send two drones to 2 differents locations,so if the terran comes to one he cancel and make another one,and it also gives extra time to the lurkers,but the expo is late anyways.

Hmm, interesting. One thing I'm not clear about though, is he researches hive before morphing any lurkers, which definitely seems different from the classic ZvT 3 hatch build I learned. Is this really so common? Is it specific to play against double cc?

No, you're right here. Zero was using a pretty peculiar and definitely planned out strategy in the later two games against Mong. His hive timings relative to his third and lurker timings is something I haven't really seen in a really long time. Super early and really fragile.
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