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On February 04 2014 07:07 dRaW wrote:


Sorry but that's not correct. Sayle was already casting and this was the time when people were more active. There had already been a Gambit Cup season 1 which was ran much more smoothly than when Eywa came along. Eywa then became exceedingly arrogant for no reason (since he didn't run a particularly good league and he had many excuses/reasons for under performing instead of just not promising stuff he couldn't live up to). Ultimately people who knew his true nature didn't even waste time when he announced "the biggest foreign tour of all time" which crashed and burned.

Very curious who would accept an "invite-only" tour unless the money was upfront to a third party, not handled by Eywa or there was some actual credibility to this claim, once again by another party.

On February 04 2014 07:29 2Pacalypse- wrote:

He offered TL to hold the prize pool to increase the legitimacy of the tournament.

Also, we desperately need more foreign BW events and yet most people are still being bitter and negative all the time. I don't get it.

On February 04 2014 07:07 dRaW wrote:
Very curious who would accept an "invite-only" tour unless the money was upfront to a third party, not handled by Eywa or there was some actual credibility to this claim, once again by another party.

On February 04 2014 09:21 GeckoXp wrote:
Nobody says he should be banned. However, giving him an additional moderation bonus because he has $$$ should not happen. That happened already over and over again. Quality > Quantity.

On February 04 2014 09:32 2Pacalypse- wrote:

What moderation bonus? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about. Your whole previous post reeks of some non-important propaganda and has very little to do with things OP is saying.

All you're doing here is posting your biased unconstructive opinion and derailing the thread, which contributes nothing.

On February 04 2014 09:45 BigFan wrote:
Maybe someone can explain to me why Eywa seems to have some haters. I wasn't as involved in the scene back then although I do recall a blog from Nina challenging him and such way back. From what I understand, he made promises and couldn't keep them. That's all I'm getting from the posts above at least.

On February 04 2014 09:47 GeckoXp wrote:
Suddenly it's forbidden to make a slight remark about all that, that alone is worth a warning.

On February 04 2014 09:47 GeckoXp wrote:
Now, consider Pucca's case, I'm still really angry about it when I come to think about it. You know what the guy invested (non monetarely) into this scene well after he was exposed so hard on this site. I don't know how many people indirectly had a benefit off his work and still ridicule him over nothing. I know you know, because I know in which Skype groups you were. Still, it's etiquette to summon his name around here, you get away with it, because he apparently doesn't randomly throw money around. I really don't get that.

On February 04 2014 09:47 GeckoXp wrote:
This isn't only about the moderation, it's about the naive way people are having when they welcome back their fallen "heroes". That's where my "negativity" and "derailing" comes from. People should know who they're asked to trust again. It's not even the first time he publicly apologizes and then starts to fall back into his old behaviour. Hell, HE HIMSELF SAID IN THE OP THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

On February 04 2014 09:47 GeckoXp wrote:
This reminds me so much at the avalanche of people welcoming back the most notorious hackers, just to get screwed again.

On February 04 2014 10:07 Eywa- wrote:

As I said in the OP, I have no intention of hiding or pretending I didn't do what happened before. The division of haters was created before most of the things which I knock myself for. Not that I can say I didn't play a part in that, the division of haters is as much a feat of mine as it is of theirs, I did not come back to make war with them. For a very brief and summarized history:

First event was a king of the hill which probably no one remembers hosted on iCCup with the help of the iCCup staff

I offered my services to LRM)Game in ISL1 for write ups and interviews at the semi-final level. - This is the point where Nina, Gecko and I became opposed... Just getting more severe over the ages because there was ultimatum offered from both sides, and I chose one over the other. There was unnecessary bm on both sides, worsening over the years.

I was interested in organizing and so, I partnered with Game to benefit from his skill set making the justin.tv king of the hill

Following the good reception of that, I created twitch.tv king of the hill

After that, joe kim was going to make a clan league, but didn't think it had enough steam to take off, so he abandoned the project. This was a project that I took on, beginning the first season of Gambit's Cup... 2 Other seasons would follow, increasing in prize pool, however, in terms of season, the order of quality was probably 3, 1, 2... The second season was a disaster due to length, there is no denying that. in terms of playoffs, the best season was 2, 3, 1 in my opinion however... which is unfortunate that I believe the best potential was lost.

In between Gambit's Cup 2 and 3 I also played a major organization role in Altitude Nation Wars.

Despite popular belief, I have done the majority of my work on my own, the development in skill of organization would be credited majorly to game, which in of itself is a huge time saver. Unfortunately, due to this association, I would also gain a lot of enemies because generally, teams thought that I favored LRM in clan events, which to be fair... I wanted them to win, which made me have to moderate them extra hard in most cases. This ended up creating a lot of enemies, including some on LRM itself because they were generally the ones feeling the stress.

Past this point, things get really rocky...

I started up several leagues simultaneously, which didn't work because I had no time to run them (Ladder league) and (European LAN). I met a ton of controversy and eventually (becoming my biggest mistake to the BW community) essentially told them to screw themselves.

After this, I went ahead and started the Liquid Pasture Community League which is a community Dota 2 league which was taken over by leloup (much thanks to him) at season 2 due to my inability to remain active. This is the only league which I built the foundation for remaining it is currently in season 4.

On July 17th, 2013... I requested to Heyoka to terminate my account.


I am a strong believer in that for my case, 80% of success is just showing up applies... Coming into the scene, I was a nobody with no experience in running anything, I learned what I could and when things worked out, people cheer, when they don't, people boo. The problem I had before was that there was no detachment, as you can see by what I have above + the fact that I used to play Brood War, Brood War was a lifestyle for me... My temperament got progressively worse to the point where I convinced people to do stuff for the sole sake of mocking them for it, one more famous than any others involving iCCup.

On February 04 2014 07:29 2Pacalypse- wrote:

He offered TL to hold the prize pool to increase the legitimacy of the tournament.

Also, we desperately need more foreign BW events and yet most people are still being bitter and negative all the time. I don't get it.

On February 04 2014 08:59 L_Master wrote:


I'm not sure I understand. The tournament is, afaik, online; in other words there are no expenses involved. What reason would there to be not to participate? Worst possible case is there was no prize pool and you got to play some decent series against good players much like any other day on icc/fish.

On February 04 2014 10:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:

Interesting. Tell us more about big injustices in the world that you've witnessed.

On February 04 2014 10:32 BigFan wrote:

thanks for the summary. Explains things a lot better so I have an idea of what's going on. All I can really say is don't let the hate get to you and keep working at what tourneys you have in mind to the best of your abilities. Best of luck!

On February 04 2014 11:28 dRaW wrote:
The last organized tour, he didn't show up and expected all the players to organize themselves into groups, play the games, report the games, etc. There was no update, no cast, no forum posts, nothing so it was time wasted. Sure you can say, "Oh I practiced vs good players and did this and that" but most players in the BW community actually want some injected competitive spirit and we get a bit demoralized when these situations arise.

On February 04 2014 15:29 chrisolo wrote:


You should not only listen to one side of the story, there is MUCH more than that to it. Ask yourself why people like DraW dislikes him? Do you think the post of Eywa tells the whole truth? Not even close.

I, for myself, think he should be given one more chance, but he has to prove that ALL of the prizemoney he is promising is transferred to a 3rd party (TL admin or whatever). Then we could talk about it.

Also I do not see why an invitational should be any more legitimate than a open to all series? If you only invite your friends to play, then go ahead, but do not make a topic about it (I do not question Invitationals in general, but in Eywa's case, you never can be sure).

On February 04 2014 16:25 GeckoXp wrote:


You might think differently if it was you the OP would've targeted over 2+ years around multiple pages with great success. May I remind you it ended so badly, that he convinced his follower (who already posted here) to write fake suicide notes. Nevermind, it's going to be my last post. There is this minimal change that his come back might be positive.



That would be one side. His last ~3 threads to BW related topics speak for themselves.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370149

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387231

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387307

Let's see what he does now and what results he delivers. I still think he could've invested in one of these organizations/funds

- SBWI
- defiler.ru
- BWCL / inCup (former bw4ever)
- reps LAN fund
- TLS prize pool

instead of insisting to run it on his own behalf to build up trust again and underline his intentions. All of the above proved they're capable.

On February 04 2014 11:28 dRaW wrote:


If someone else hosted the tournament and said "sponsored by Eywa" I think it would be better than him opening a thread and saying he will organize events. TBH the negativity isn't unreasonable considering his attendance and updating of event information wasn't anywhere near punctual. For someone who needs a lot of help but is very concerned on doing everything himself, he should work harder rather than come back and bark his big talk again. Further, saying you are sorry with half ass threads like these don't admit any sort of guilt, if he REALLY wanted to redeem himself, he would've just had someone else open up a thread and everything ALREADY TO GO, then have somewhere noted that he was overshadowing/sponsoring/organized everything. I do however appreciate your confirmation.



The last organized tour, he didn't show up and expected all the players to organize themselves into groups, play the games, report the games, etc. There was no update, no cast, no forum posts, nothing so it was time wasted. Sure you can say, "Oh I practiced vs good players and did this and that" but most players in the BW community actually want some injected competitive spirit and we get a bit demoralized when these situations arise.

Switching shifts, I think we need to change the approach a bit. Consider we try to recruit/market/volunteer to behind the scenes efforts. Example: Thread work, casters, statistic updates, video hype, interviews etc. We have many great people who already do this and I couldn't possibly name them all but they could use the help. I find that when the event has well timed updates and run smoothly, more people participate and it makes the players want to actually try harder to perform well.

Conclusion, I'll wait to see how it unfolds but improvement in infrastructure should be taken into consideration before always throwing tournaments at players/viewers. (it really killed us in STL, but was fantastic in TLS)

On February 04 2014 22:24 2Pacalypse- wrote:

This is all valid criticism, which actually I've been advocating for a long time. I'm also a fan of just doing things instead of announcements of doing things (hence my signature quote).

I'm just saying that it would be better for the foreign BW scene if this happen, than if it doesn't happen. Shutting it down from the get-go because of your personal hatred towards a person in charge is not the best way to go about things. Giving people context on who's behind it is important (not with cheap pot shots though), so everyone can decide for themselves how much they want to invest their interest in this.