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Tru_m4n
162 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:28 lemmata wrote: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They were being incredibly irresponsible by inviting Savior. Savior's current skill is below the level of 2nd class ex-pros on Afreeca at the moment, so he wasn't invited for his skills. I get the feeling that one of the sponsors is an irrational Savior crazy. Revealing the poster's child-like one-dimensional "my ball" reasoning. Having a match-fixer participate in e-sports hurts the public image of all e-sports. KeSPA banned Savior from e-sports events under the governance of KeSPA. Bans are meaningless if they have loopholes. If players can expect not to be sanctioned in the increasing lucrative Chinese market, then KeSPA's ban loses some of its bite. Incentives people! The premise underlying the call for Blizzard action was that scnTV is alleged not to have obtain a license. PS: I am not trying to reason with Savior crazies. They can't be reasoned with... This post is for the amusement of rational people only. So many things wrong with this post. 1. If sAviOr didn't have skill necessary to compete, he wouldn't have won the 2 vs 2 tournament, fallacious logic one. 2. Beside sAviOr weren't invited to lose games just for the hell of it. Its not like the organization invited him to lose games but to compete honorably which again he did so with result. 3. Second quotation is just attacking the poster while reiterating first point, completely useless. Seriousness fuck Kespa and Blizzard for what they did. BW died because of THEM. If SC2 weren't pushed at all in Korea with pressure, BW progaming would still have persisted. 4. scnTV is doing good for the BW scene. "Good is good if it is good for me." I don't care whether or not Kespa did great things for BW in the past. Why don't you try living in the present, Kespa is gone from BW forever (unless otherwise). Fuck other E-sports, I ONLY care about BW. And that's pretty much what Kespa is doing right now, they are bored so they decide to use some of that time to eliminate other competition from SC2. By getting rid of scnTV, you are essentially shrinking the BW scene. I'm flabbergasted that any BW fan would even begin to stupidly think that's beneficial for the scene. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:28 lemmata wrote: Revealing the poster's child-like one-dimensional "my ball" reasoning. Having a match-fixer participate in e-sports hurts the public image of all e-sports. KeSPA banned Savior from e-sports events under the governance of KeSPA. Bans are meaningless if they have loopholes. If players can expect not to be sanctioned in the increasing lucrative Chinese market, then KeSPA's ban loses some of its bite. Incentives people! But the "hurts eSports argument" is not one dimensional? Cheating, hacks and match fixing are not a first time issue in "eSports", nor is KeSPA any more important for "eSports" than the Chinese scene. It might be relevant for the Korean market, but for the international one it might as well not matter at all. I'm not even speaking of all other genres aside from RTS, I highly doubt the average fighting game / mobile phone stuff / FPS player / sponsor has heard about savior and how he single handedly brought KeSPA to its knees. eSports is a nice phrase to hide behind, not more. Literally the only person to act butthurt with a reason here would be Sonic, who surprisingly, is the only person to act calm and rational. Hats off, again. I'd also like to know what KeSPA thinks Blizzard should be doing right now. If they really do press charges or try to force the Chinese, they can't possibly know about the outcome. While Korean is a more Western society with its laws, China really isn't. I have no idea how the structure of SCNTV is, but I doubt they're as easily going down as KeSPA was, they're not that depended on Irvine. If Blizzad ignores KeSPA, KeSPA looks like an idiot. If Blizzard goes after SCNTV and gets ignored, no Chinese organizer will take them seriously. If they fail to succeed, it ends the same - only, and only if, Blizzard manages to really take down SCNTV in court, this might work out, all over a title they care little about today. This isn't the holy cow wow, or its ugly sister SCII, it's a dead game in their eyes. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
It's not as easy as saying 'it's good for chinese bw so it's good for bw'. You have to think about the bigger picture as well, in the very least, savior is clearly dividing the scene. The PR damage to korean BW scene should also be obvious enough. I'll admit I'm not capable of judging if one is more important than the other, but I don't need much time to decide if I want to support sonic or savior. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On December 03 2013 02:17 ReachTheSky wrote: savior fucked up and did his time, it's time to let go of the past. I think Kespa is too harsh, and they really changed the way of thinking of many people here. Gaming is his profession and taking away from him, what else can he do... I just feel this happened in history before, thinking it is okay to be harsh to some people because of government propaganda. I mean, every1 is the same as Savior, they will fucked up from time to time in their life. When u did something bad, u will feel bad and hope for forgiveness. Maybe baffled, why the world is full of hate. Ah, I feel like preaching something.. But anyway, let's start now, have a big heart. Let Savior start anew. Okay?  Pretty sure something good will come in ur life, if u do that. kekeke. Unless he did the same thing 2nd time. I believe he deserve 2nd chance. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10888 Posts
On December 03 2013 02:17 ReachTheSky wrote: savior fucked up and did his time, it's time to let go of the past. umm....no, the guy single handedly destroyed BW Esports, and now it is still ok for him to make 25K off BW ? Nah man just nah, he needs to be exiled so this game can regrow and flourish the way it used to. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On December 03 2013 02:17 ReachTheSky wrote: savior fucked up and did his time, it's time to let go of the past. 1) The guy never did any "time". As soon as he was kicked out he started afreeca streaming and continued making money. Moreover, BW was ended shortly after he was banned, so it's not like he has been banned from KeSPA events for that long. Moreover, most sports bans for violations are lengthy: 2-4+ years is not at all uncommon. 2) Much more importantly, the guy has no fucking remorse at all. He has literally not even apologized for matchfixing. He is sorry...that he got caught. I really don't think he has any issues with what he actually did. In addition to not apologizing he has taken actions that are directly harmful to BW (streaming on Afreeca, which has directly decreased the credibility of other Afreeca streams; if this doesn't make sense, see iloveoov comments) as well as bashed BW saying something like "only idiots play 2D games in this day and age". I'm for second chances (except for doping in athletics...but that is for another day). However, I have NO reason to believe Savior has changed whatsoever. Let him back in, and chances are he will go right back to matchfixing if the opportunity presented itself. If Savior had prostrated himself with apology, left BW alone for a while and generally been remorseful and was just now asking to return...I could see myself considering it. Don't forget that saviors reputation is tarnished, and his return will make it MUCH more difficult to attract sponsors and establish a good reputation for BW. Even if you blindy love savior, I think you have to ask yourself is it worth it to bring this guy back, knowing that just his presence is likely to prevent, or even reverse, the progress that has been made in the last year? | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19395 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:02 GGzerG wrote: umm....no, the guy single handedly destroyed BW Esports, and now it is still ok for him to make 25K off BW ? Nah man just nah, he needs to be exiled so this game can regrow and flourish the way it used to. Why do people keep blaming saviour for the death of BW lol... | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1779 Posts
In this case a sponsored tourney in China has nothing to do with this, if they are not happy about this news which is understandable, all I can say is "too bad for them", it's also their right to complain to Blizzard if they want. And Op, seriously posting a thread like this... if you just want people whining like you, make a private channel and baby cry with your friends. sAviOr's case is settled already, if you are not happy about this, try to do something about it maybe, cut off his hands or kill him so your wish will be exhausted. Seriously at this point, it's called a troll... Btw, those games were very entertaining  | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19395 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:18 iFU.pauline wrote: sAviOr was banned from professional e-sport scene in Korea if I recall? In this case a sponsored tourney in China has nothing to do with this, if they are not happy about this news which is understandable, all I can say is "too bad for them", it's also their right to complain to Blizzard if they want. And Op, seriously posting a thread like this... if you just want people whining like you, make a private channel and baby cry with your friends. sAviOr's case is settled already, if you are not happy about this, try to do something about it maybe, cut off his hands or kill him so your wish will be exhausted. Seriously at this point, it's called a troll... Btw, those games were very entertaining You gotta admit, these threads are reviving the BW community. Look how many pages they get. Kespa is so genius. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:17 sharkie wrote: Why do people keep blaming saviour for the death of BW lol... I don't blame him for the death of BW, I blame him for ruining the promising careers of numerous players (including his own) as well as damaging the esports scene, as well as not responding apologetically later on when he's had ample opportunity to. Most rational observers feel the exact same way. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:17 sharkie wrote: Why do people keep blaming saviour for the death of BW lol... “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” -Kespa/Blizzard | ||
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Lordanubis
United Kingdom198 Posts
A lot of people need to move on from the Savior situation still. At the end of the day it's really none of the fans business whether he plays in tournaments (or even the game at all) anymore. In the same vein, if it isn't under their jurisdiction that he's doing it it's none of KeSPA's business either. Blizzard don't exist to be an enforcement body for crimes that they never pursued any interest towards to date either, so again - not really their concern. Did he do a lot of damage to the scene? Yes, though not alone. Has his behaviour over that fact been admirable? No, it hasn't. But by continuing to draw attention to it and produce thread after thread about it, not letting the issue fade from the public eye, people aren't really doing anything other than give Savior publicity intentionally or not and making the community seem very bitter and unfriendly. There is an awful lot of positivity in the BW scene right now thanks to Sonic. People should be talking about that, not continually reigniting the flames of hate against Savior whenever an opportunity arises. So sure the guy may have played in a tournament again and won some money (legally, I might add), but let it go - all running the fact over the coals like this does is make more uninformed people curious, which gives him more attention (it's how I came to read up on him) and feeds the flames MORE when these people's interest upsets those still angry at Savior. Unless it starts damaging the shoots of recovery that are growing for BW as a whole, lets move on. Learn from the past, but don't stay continually mired in it. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1779 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:22 BisuDagger wrote: You gotta admit, these threads are reviving the BW community. Look how many pages they get. Kespa is so genius. This thread is reviving the bad side of brood war and it's not savior's fault in this case... | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On December 03 2013 03:24 Caihead wrote: I don't blame him for the death of BW, I blame him for ruining the promising careers of numerous players (including his own) as well as damaging the esports scene, as well as not responding apologetically later on when he's had ample opportunity to. Most rational observers feel the exact same way. Oh definitely, I agree with you on these points. But there are serious people out there who believe we'd still have real professional BW (MSL/OSL) like we used to when saviour hadn't matchfixed. That's just crazy to believe. | ||
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