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On December 03 2013 00:31 Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 00:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 03 2013 00:18 Stratos wrote:
All I'm saying is that this seems more like some kind of a plan for at least media play rather than just random shouting from KeSPA cuz they're bored or butthurt.
Really? Because everything so far points to it being exactly that. Everything being the fact that there's a fast confirmation that Blizzard is investigating the matter?
Where is this confirmation? I asked for something from Blizzard but apparently you can't do anything except quote the nwes post. If this is all you can do, then there have been literally zero comments from Blizzard about the matter, and no evidence showing that Blizzard cares or even knows about what KeSPA is doing.
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i can see ww3 happening because of kespa.
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On December 02 2013 23:59 shaftofpleasure wrote:I like how Savior is being bashed for having won a game that he was convicted for intentionally losing it to make money. a little Ironic  haha it sounds like a fast food joint.
I guess he intentionally lost because people expected him to win back when he did it. I doubt people expected him to win this time around so hypothetically, if he would match fix again he'd probably arrange it so that he wins.
KeSPA seems to get a lot of flak in here even though they kept running BW all the way until 2012 even long after SC2 was released. With all their faults to me that doesn't seem exactly like the kind of behavior you'd expect from an organisation that's instantly trying to jump at the slightest opportunity of profits from a new game.
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I hope they succeed. Savior should not be allowed to taint this game anymore and the Chinese should understand.
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On December 03 2013 00:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 00:31 Stratos wrote:On December 03 2013 00:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 03 2013 00:18 Stratos wrote:
All I'm saying is that this seems more like some kind of a plan for at least media play rather than just random shouting from KeSPA cuz they're bored or butthurt.
Really? Because everything so far points to it being exactly that. Everything being the fact that there's a fast confirmation that Blizzard is investigating the matter? Where is this confirmation? There have been literally zero comments from Blizzard about the matter, and no evidence showing that Blizzard cares or even knows about what KeSPA is doing.
I assume if someone from KeSPA says Blizzard weren't aware of this and they're currently investigating it in an interview for a news site, it's true. Is there any reason I shouldn't?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50577 Posts
man this issue is so dumb, maybe I should get KeSPA to ask Blizzard to stop this thread at Page 7
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On December 03 2013 00:52 Stratos wrote:
Is there any reason I shouldn't?
Yes, because it's KeSPA.
It would not surprise me one bit if this news post was the first time Blizzard heard about this, at which point they will politely tell KeSPA to fuck off.
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Like Blizzard can do anything
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wow.so many guys here.i'd like to say some truth: the sponsor is a hardcore bw lover.savior was the one that the sponsor specificly wanted him to play.and savior played dam good on 2v2 BW Asia Open.Asia Open was a great succes and the biggest BW event in China.that's all!
I WILL UPLOAD THE VODS ON TL IF SCNTV FINISH RECODING THEM.
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On December 03 2013 00:55 s_k_911 wrote:
wow.so many guys here.i'd like to say some truth: savior was the one that the sponsor wanted him to play.and savior played dam good on 2v2 BW Asia Open.that's all!
I WILL UPLOAD THE VODS ON TL IF SCNTV FINISH RECODING THEM.
thank you
savior is a massive wiener, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see how he plays after all these years.
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On December 02 2013 23:35 2Pacalypse- wrote:
I don't think he was saying that it's a good move by KeSPA, but rather just provided an explanation on why they might have done it anyways. You're right on your other points though, and I actually wouldn't be surprised if KeSPA did this on purpose to increase the media attention of savior's participation in Chinese events in a way to discredit the existing BW scene, no matter how small it is, and screw up the potential sponsorship of SOSPA events.
It's really about that as far as im concerned. As we could see from the oov statement, Kespa is showing interest at throwing shit at contemporary broodwar in order to discredit it and fight back an entertainment that threatens their marketshare with sc2 in Korea majorly.
I don't believe contacting Blizzard officially about Savior is an expression of genuine concern, it's done for the sake of discrediting contemporary BW. Now Sonic is doing things proper and doesn't give them a huge deal of space to attack, but the ASIA BW Open is just an open invitation for the Sc2 industry to throw shit our way.
I do personally, by no means, agree that Savior should be playing in international tournaments with prizemoney, in fact i propose the opposite. But it should be up to BW sponsors and organizers to push this, not to Kespa or Blizzard who have done nothing but harm to Broodwar since they abandoned it.
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Even thought scnTV have invited a matchfixer, the overall gesture of the tournament was based on good intentions.
This whole situation is based upon one variable: whether or not Kespa is thinking about introducing BW back into its program.
If they are, then they have the privilege to influence the scene.
If not, then they better stay the fuck out of it because all they are doing is to bring negative upon the BW scene, so they can go fuck themselves like how they did when they decided to kill BW with Blizzard.
Beside Blizzard can't do anything in this case (unless the rumor of scnTV not getting license is correct). You can punish an organization for inviting a certain player, the organization can do w/e it pleases.
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On December 03 2013 00:57 suicideyear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 00:55 s_k_911 wrote:
wow.so many guys here.i'd like to say some truth: savior was the one that the sponsor wanted him to play.and savior played dam good on 2v2 BW Asia Open.that's all!
I WILL UPLOAD THE VODS ON TL IF SCNTV FINISH RECODING THEM. thank you savior is a massive wiener, but i'd be lying if i said i didn't want to see how he plays after all these years.
we are just oudience! scntv is just orgniser who bring equipments!only we can do is choose to watch or not. but i (and most chinese bw lovers)really enjoyed the threeday's show!
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On December 03 2013 00:58 Xiphos wrote:
Even thought scnTV have invited a matchfixer, the overall gesture of the tournament was based on good intentions.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. They were being incredibly irresponsible by inviting Savior. Savior's current skill is below the level of 2nd class ex-pros on Afreeca at the moment, so he wasn't invited for his skills. I get the feeling that one of the sponsors is an irrational Savior crazy.
This whole situation is based upon one variable: whether or not Kespa is thinking about introducing BW back into its program.
If they are, then they have the privilege to influence the scene.
If not, then they better stay the fuck out of it because all they are doing is to bring negative upon the BW scene, so they can go fuck themselves like how they did when they decided to kill BW with Blizzard.
Revealing the poster's child-like one-dimensional "my ball" reasoning. Having a match-fixer participate in e-sports hurts the public image of all e-sports. KeSPA banned Savior from e-sports events under the governance of KeSPA. Bans are meaningless if they have loopholes. If players can expect not to be sanctioned in the increasing lucrative Chinese market, then KeSPA's ban loses some of its bite. Incentives people!
On December 03 2013 00:58 Xiphos wrote:Beside Blizzard can't do anything in this case (unless the rumor of scnTV not getting license is correct). You can punish an organization for inviting a certain player, the organization can do w/e it pleases.
The premise underlying the call for Blizzard action was that scnTV is alleged not to have obtain a license.
PS: I am not trying to reason with Savior crazies. They can't be reasoned with... This post is for the amusement of rational people only.
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if BW ever comes back, I do not want kespa running shit again. all the pro streams will disappear and they will puppet string all the players again.
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honestly i don't really care if savior plays in CN league, as long as it revives BW. KeSPA can't do anything about some organizations inviting Savior to play in their league. Like why does KeSPA care about this, when it's not even their tournament. I'm pretty sure scnTV has some awareness about what Savior went through.
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Guess how many pages will this thread make before it gets closed.
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On December 03 2013 01:30 Golgotha wrote:
if BW ever comes back, I do not want kespa running shit again. all the pro streams will disappear and they will puppet string all the players again.
at least they did a better job than blizzard did
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On December 03 2013 01:36 LTY wrote:
honestly i don't really care if savior plays in CN league, as long as it revives BW. KeSPA can't do anything about some organizations inviting Savior to play in their league. Like why does KeSPA care about this, when it's not even their tournament. I'm pretty sure scnTV has some awareness about what Savior went through.
The problem is that this is more harmful to the potential revival of BW, rather than helpful.
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