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DES Retirement Interview With Bisu - Page 4

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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8695 Posts
October 01 2013 00:47 GMT
#61
i cried
Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
October 01 2013 00:51 GMT
#62
On October 01 2013 09:34 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 05:17 digmouse wrote:
But Proleague rapidly loses fandom after transitioning into SC2. After less than a month, there were only half the fans coming to watch the games.

"Not only me, the other players felt this too. Seeing the emply stadium, the motives of playing just isn't there anymore. Without an audience in sight, we lose our meaning to play the matches."

A lot of people, including Bisu, were surprised by the declining of viewership. At first Bisu thought fans might come back slowly, but one day he realized they left for good. The players with the most fans like him, knows about this feeling more than anyone.

"Fans are leaving, what's the meaning of me stay here to play? I feel hollow in my heart, a feeling I never had during Brood War times, being a pro-gamer no longer ignites the fire in my heart."

Bisu came up with the thought of retiring near the end of the the season. He finally realized, the support of fans is what keeps him continuing his career.


This part is fucking gutwrenching to read. It makes me very bitter.


Same here
@Diaresta Huk//Jaedong//Taeja ★EGTL★ ♥Stephano♥ | "Agent 3154, welcome back."
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 00:52:53
October 01 2013 00:52 GMT
#63
On October 01 2013 08:45 iamho wrote:
"To be honest I won't be surprised if Flash hyung and Stork hyung retire right now. Anyone who knows them won't be surprised. The burden on us is beyond imagination."


Wow. I figured most of the BW players didn't like SC2 much, but it really surprises me that they dislike SC2 to that extent. I wonder what'll happen if all of TBLS ends up retiring - would we get a reinvigorated BW scene?

I don't think it's dislike as much as SCII changed what made them progamers, the cheer of the fans. That was their drive to improve their play but it wasn't there anymore after PL became only SCII.

On October 01 2013 09:34 HawaiianPig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 05:17 digmouse wrote:
But Proleague rapidly loses fandom after transitioning into SC2. After less than a month, there were only half the fans coming to watch the games.

"Not only me, the other players felt this too. Seeing the emply stadium, the motives of playing just isn't there anymore. Without an audience in sight, we lose our meaning to play the matches."

A lot of people, including Bisu, were surprised by the declining of viewership. At first Bisu thought fans might come back slowly, but one day he realized they left for good. The players with the most fans like him, knows about this feeling more than anyone.

"Fans are leaving, what's the meaning of me stay here to play? I feel hollow in my heart, a feeling I never had during Brood War times, being a pro-gamer no longer ignites the fire in my heart."

Bisu came up with the thought of retiring near the end of the the season. He finally realized, the support of fans is what keeps him continuing his career.


This part is fucking gutwrenching to read. It makes me very bitter.

I got goosebumps from reading it again It's still sad to think how much the Korean scene has changes since SCII's inception.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
RYZmooN
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada575 Posts
October 01 2013 00:57 GMT
#64
You'll always be the best protoss in my heart!
BISU DAGGER HWATING!!!!!
SKT T1 HWATING!!!
How do u doto?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 01 2013 00:58 GMT
#65
Sounds like he really misses the stage that was worth putting in the hours of practice for. I'm glad he is starting to feel like he's in a better place though. It is better for him to put in an amount of effort he feels is proportional to what he's receiving. Streaming for fans and SSL might not be a packed studio, but he can also take it a little easier and just have fun. It really seems like when he saw the diminished crowd, he was asking himself why he was working so hard for this.

It would be easy to suspect he's a glory hunter, but I think that's not really it at all. There's just a point at which you realise you don't really care about the games either.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
October 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#66
I cried on this interview

Laugh all you want! Not only that bisu is my crush and my idol but just like what he said bw died and the fans continue to decline. It's really saddening. I am also guilty about this. After sc2, i don't watch a lot of games already, it's not as fun as before. I miss the old days of glory of broodwar
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 01 2013 01:11 GMT
#67
It's interesting that he says Flash and Stork are likely to retire back to BW, but leaves out Jaedong. I guess JD is happy on EG?

But yeah, I don't know what the hell all these KeSPA pros are doing not retiring. Anyone in KeSPA who liked SC2 would've switched early on. Soulkey, Sun/Rain, and Bogus/Innovation are at least winning things, but what are the rest of them doing but playing a game they don't like and can't get any results in? None of TLBS have managed to win a premier tournament, and no one anywhere cares about Proleague since Koreans don't like SC2 and foreigners don't like Supernovamaniac.

Good for BW, I guess. I imagine SSL will continue to have slow growth, though if it gets a good English cast from an established SC2 name, BW's foreign scene could really take off compared to what it was pre-collapse.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
October 01 2013 01:23 GMT
#68
Funny they gave up SC1 and its fans for SC2 and its global fans because of the lack of sponsors and the 2 most recent WCS KR sponsors are both korean online shops that would've benefited from BW more because they wouldn't really get any buyers from the global fanbase.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
October 01 2013 01:25 GMT
#69
Bisu, do SSL!!!
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
October 01 2013 01:36 GMT
#70
Bisuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Im happy he retired, watching basically one if not the best proleague players of the past few years barely come out to play anymore, and get beaten up whenever he did was so depressing. Now I get to watch him play BW daily? Sounds like a deal to me, and I think a lot of people feel that way given the number of viewers whenever he is on stream.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 01 2013 01:45 GMT
#71
On October 01 2013 10:11 Ribbon wrote:
It's interesting that he says Flash and Stork are likely to retire back to BW, but leaves out Jaedong. I guess JD is happy on EG?

But yeah, I don't know what the hell all these KeSPA pros are doing not retiring. Anyone in KeSPA who liked SC2 would've switched early on. Soulkey, Sun/Rain, and Bogus/Innovation are at least winning things, but what are the rest of them doing but playing a game they don't like and can't get any results in? None of TLBS have managed to win a premier tournament, and no one anywhere cares about Proleague since Koreans don't like SC2 and foreigners don't like Supernovamaniac.

Good for BW, I guess. I imagine SSL will continue to have slow growth, though if it gets a good English cast from an established SC2 name, BW's foreign scene could really take off compared to what it was pre-collapse.

ya, it's been mentioned that Jaedong enjoys his time on EG and he is generating the team a lot of publicity. He's also made 2nd place at Dreamhack three times now if I recall correctly and almost won WCS AM and WCS Season 2 finals(lost to a terran both times ><). He's making a decent amount on top of his salary at EG and I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to stay for another year at least. Stork isn't doing that well tbh. He just got through Code A qualifiers for the first time and as for Flash, he makes RO16 then loses lol so who knows.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
October 01 2013 02:05 GMT
#72
I think the difference between jaedong and the others is that, unlike them, his team had disbanded and he was playing on a half assed team that was basically the punching bag of the league. He arguably has a better situation now than he did in BW, ignoring the fact that he has to play a different game, so it makes sense that of all of them, he's the least likely to retire.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11363 Posts
October 01 2013 02:16 GMT
#73
Bisu isn't fully getting used to BW yet, but he will improve for the fans that want to see the old him. After recovering a bit he might consider playing in SSL.

Better words I could not hear. Bisu fighting!

I just love watching his stream. I have so missed being disappointed I missed a Bisu game.
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Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 02:19:14
October 01 2013 02:17 GMT
#74
I picked up broodwar last weekend. I've never played before but I am learning. I missed all of BW as I was too young to play it but interviews like this tell me there was a lot of passion and legendary times that I missed not knowing that game; things that are missing in SC 2.

I've only heard stories of his feats and have never seen a live game of his (I've watched plenty of vods ) yet he is still a gaming idol of mine despite me missing his best years.

PS I caught his snipealot games last weekend and MY GOD is he GOOD and HOLY SHIT is that game fun to watch even in 2013. After class, while im relaxing, or in the line at chipotle, Broodwar is the game I am watching on twitch.tv because I would love to see Bisu playing his protoss any day of the week
My life for Auir | FLASH . JD . BISU . HERO . Nony . Incontrol . FIGHTING
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 01 2013 03:06 GMT
#75
SSL please. PLEASE
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10196 Posts
October 01 2013 03:09 GMT
#76
even though i hate him for all those times he beat flash in the final set of like every proleague, i still love and miss him all the same.

welcome back to bw bisu <3
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 01 2013 03:17 GMT
#77
Also, remember: eSF/KeSPA trade lock ends tomorrow. I imagine a final big spate of retirements are inbound.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 01 2013 03:29 GMT
#78
On October 01 2013 12:17 Ribbon wrote:
Also, remember: eSF/KeSPA trade lock ends tomorrow. I imagine a final big spate of retirements are inbound.

actually, someone was saying its Oct 8th although not sure if that's true or not. If we go by Korean time, it's already tommorrow
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
October 01 2013 03:36 GMT
#79
On October 01 2013 05:17 digmouse wrote:
...but I don't really meant to stay a lurker...

Holy fuck does that mean after Hydras evolve into Lurkers, Lurkers can evolve again? Meta-breaking discovery

But in seriousness that part about playing for the fans and the fans disappearing and all the people who switched just not loving it anymore was heartbreaking :'( I hope whatever TBLS decide on they find joy in their decision...also hoping Bisu gets back in his former shape soon so he can stomp all the SSLs and SRTs (okay maybe not stomp but at least win)
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
October 01 2013 03:40 GMT
#80
On October 01 2013 05:31 eonrulz wrote:
I missed all of Brood War, and I will never understand just what made Bisu so much better than his peers. Nor will I understand the amount of love his fans give him.

But reading this makes me sad that I did miss out on the legends. That I will miss out on seeing Bisu and Stork and all the other BW players at the height of their prowess. That I won't ever experience the same level of community, and spirit, that made the BW era such a huge success.

Thank you, Bisu, for your dedication to both Starcraft and to your fans.

Also, thanks for the translation!


mechanics. hes micro and macro are clean and crisp, hes screen transitions are smooth. bisu was also the pioneer for pvz, he understood dt tech better than anyone, the use of corsair/dt combo.
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