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Quoting this again to keep it alive!
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On October 09 2013 00:14 pheer wrote:Quoting this again to keep it alive!
You have a really creepy smiley for a country -_-
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hes watching you. obviously usa
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On October 09 2013 00:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
hes watching you. obviously usa
Or North Korea or China. We don't know which one of these three.
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On October 08 2013 18:39 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 17:00 thezanursic wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer)
SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW.
While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss.
The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer.
I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss. Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke) 74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%) Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu. If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation. that is like saying leta, sea, soulkey, free, stats or any other a-class proleaguer would have eventually won a starleague if there were 10 more msl/osl. bisu was a PL only player, he didn't have it in him to win another individual championship
No that's not the same. Leta, Sea, Soulkey, Stats and Free had good results, but none of them were on the level of Flash (I'm talking about PL performance right now). FlasH had a 74 ish % winrate for the last 3 years of BW and do you know what? He won like 2 MSLs and 2 OSLs during that time. If Bisu had peaked (at least statistically) during a period where there were 4-6 starleagues per year he would have been the definitive favorite to win those.
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On October 09 2013 00:14 pheer wrote:Quoting this again to keep it alive!
Yeah please keep posting the vods. I missed two days and I need to catch up!
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On October 08 2013 18:47 icystorage wrote:
yes. Leta wouldve won OSLs and MSLs
one can dream
Leta during the last two years 37 wins - 31 losses (54.41%)
I know these are just statistics, but comparing Leta to Bisu is kind of silly
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While Bisu chats a lot, he's also been playing a decent amount of games every day. I have yesterday games uploaded but I really need you guys to help me by reporting the best games or the list will soon grow too much for anyone to actually make use of it. I'll probably only list the top games anyway, maybe release the rest when he's done streaming and sort them somehow (by match-ups, builds etc.) for educational purposes.
Here's some FPV highlights and recommended games btw if you don't check blogs http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=431493
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what does getting balloons mean?
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balloons are donations from viewers
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http://s.163.com/13/1008/23/9AN0O5BB00314Q8T.html
http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000000388&date=20131008&page=1
Another Oov interview, only translating the Bisu question using the Chinese translation.
Let's talk about Bisu's retirement.
+ Show Spoiler +First of all I think it's regrettable. Because he did not retire at his peak, it's even more unfortunate. I've recently heard that he was streaming matches vs Savior, if this it's true then he is in the same boat as Savior. After the match fixing scandal broke out, 3 B-teamers came to me in tears asking if they will be able to continue. Bisu seem to be in good terms with Savior, if this is true the he has fallen to Savior's level, this also includes other younger players. I know a lot of retired players started streaming. If they really care about Esport and the younger generation, then I don't think they should do this. As for "Is Bisu going to play Savior", the thought of this makes me very angry. I sincerely do not wish this to happen.
Can someone that reads Korean please confirm if Oov is really saying what I think he is saying.
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On October 09 2013 10:19 forumtext wrote:http://s.163.com/13/1008/23/9AN0O5BB00314Q8T.htmlhttp://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000000388&date=20131008&page=1Another Oov interview, only translating the Bisu question using the Chinese translation. Let's talk about Bisu's retirement.+ Show Spoiler +First of all I think it's regrettable. Because he did not retire at his peak, it's even more unfortunate. I've recently heard that he was streaming matches vs Savior, if this it's true then he is in the same boat as Savior. After the match fixing scandal broke out, 3 B-teamers came to me in tears asking if they will be able to continue. Bisu seem to be in good terms with Savior, if this is true the he has fallen to Savior's level, this also includes other younger players. I know a lot of retired players started streaming. If they really care about Esport and the younger generation, then I don't think they should do this. As for "Is Bisu going to play Savior", the thought of this makes me very angry. I sincerely do not wish this to happen. Can someone that reads Korean please confirm if Oov is really saying what I think he is saying.
I don't understand what's oov's POV here ? A man needs to eat.
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Don't try to make money with Savior by playing Broodwar together. I guess that's pretty reasonable.
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On October 09 2013 10:29 vndestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 10:19 forumtext wrote:http://s.163.com/13/1008/23/9AN0O5BB00314Q8T.htmlhttp://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000000388&date=20131008&page=1Another Oov interview, only translating the Bisu question using the Chinese translation. Let's talk about Bisu's retirement.+ Show Spoiler +First of all I think it's regrettable. Because he did not retire at his peak, it's even more unfortunate. I've recently heard that he was streaming matches vs Savior, if this it's true then he is in the same boat as Savior. After the match fixing scandal broke out, 3 B-teamers came to me in tears asking if they will be able to continue. Bisu seem to be in good terms with Savior, if this is true the he has fallen to Savior's level, this also includes other younger players. I know a lot of retired players started streaming. If they really care about Esport and the younger generation, then I don't think they should do this. As for "Is Bisu going to play Savior", the thought of this makes me very angry. I sincerely do not wish this to happen. Can someone that reads Korean please confirm if Oov is really saying what I think he is saying. I don't understand what's oov's POV here ? A man needs to eat.
dont wanna encourage younger generation that betting scandal = not that bad. they want everything distracted from it.
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On October 09 2013 10:49 MDMA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 10:29 vndestiny wrote:On October 09 2013 10:19 forumtext wrote:http://s.163.com/13/1008/23/9AN0O5BB00314Q8T.htmlhttp://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000000388&date=20131008&page=1Another Oov interview, only translating the Bisu question using the Chinese translation. Let's talk about Bisu's retirement.+ Show Spoiler +First of all I think it's regrettable. Because he did not retire at his peak, it's even more unfortunate. I've recently heard that he was streaming matches vs Savior, if this it's true then he is in the same boat as Savior. After the match fixing scandal broke out, 3 B-teamers came to me in tears asking if they will be able to continue. Bisu seem to be in good terms with Savior, if this is true the he has fallen to Savior's level, this also includes other younger players. I know a lot of retired players started streaming. If they really care about Esport and the younger generation, then I don't think they should do this. As for "Is Bisu going to play Savior", the thought of this makes me very angry. I sincerely do not wish this to happen. Can someone that reads Korean please confirm if Oov is really saying what I think he is saying. I don't understand what's oov's POV here ? A man needs to eat. dont wanna encourage younger generation that betting scandal = not that bad. they want everything distracted from it.
I think he's talking about how oov seems to be saying that retired players shouldn't stream. The savior part is separate.
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
There are a few mistakes in the translation but they are minor. The gist of it is that oov is pissed off that bisu is even considering playing vs savior.
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now anyone that plays with savior is hated on? i continue to be amazed by the masses of people that never made a mistake in their lives, or that did and feel they should be exiled forever as a result of it. he was nothing more than a kid when this happened and people are still fuming mad over it, really mystifies me.
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On October 09 2013 10:53 snipealot wrote:
There are a few mistakes in the translation but they are minor. The gist of it is that oov is pissed off that bisu is even considering playing vs savior.
Can you please tell me if Oov is pissed at them playing Savior or he is pissed at them streaming? The Chinese translation was not very clear on that part.
Thanks
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On October 09 2013 10:53 snipealot wrote:
There are a few mistakes in the translation but they are minor. The gist of it is that oov is pissed off that bisu is even considering playing vs savior.
I guess I can see oov's reasoning behind it, not wanting any recognition going to savior after what he did but it still does make me sad 
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really it displays that oov is immature. if you cannot forgive a child for something they did wrong years ago and have never repeated since there is certainly a question about your maturity. as you grow older you realize that nobody is perfect and you must learn to accept the mistakes of others if they show a change. i used to rob everyone possible to get a drug fix and now i am a student that shows the utmost respect to others and is extremely polite to all. should i be continuously punished for my wrongdoings in the past? will that not force me back into the same old patterns?
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