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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
November 06 2019 14:59 GMT
#2021
On November 06 2019 23:53 Zaibakk wrote:
Is this Effort or what? O.o

www.youtube.com


APM 450+, of coure it's EffOrt! They let him to practice from army now seems likely.
sunbeams are never made like me...
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
November 06 2019 16:24 GMT
#2022
On November 06 2019 23:45 SuGo wrote:
Unpopular opinion:

Bisu can't hide behind "he's still getting in shape" -- he's played TONS of matches and been practicing for months. His PvT still struggles as it always did, and even in PvZ which is his bread and butter, he is doing 'OK' at best ...

24-23 vs Action
19-24 vs Zero
18-12 vs Larva
34-38 vs Soma

Truth is, this won't ever be the Bisu we remember from 10 years past. A lot of the other pros have gotten significantly better and especially the modern ZvP has insanely strong players now. Zergs are very good vs P.

Anyways, it would be great to see him in a major tournament out of respect and pride for who he is, but I don't think he's going to be any real threat. I still enjoy watching him obviously, but I've come to accept that he isn't who he was (and that's ok, people have gotten a lot better, and it's the beauty of BW evolution).

      Does it matter? Stork looks greatly out of shape and still makes it into every tournament. It's hard to imagine Bisu won't play to Stork's level and qualify for tournaments as well. Then at that point the ro32/24/16 is full of drive by chokers that can't perform in tournaments at the same level as they do online. Bisu could be in bad form and still make the ro8 consistently just because of these factors lol. Then 2 years from now we can all claim Bisu has been one of the best players for years because he consistently makes top 8 or top 4 and put our fingers in our ears when people complain about quality of competition or bracket luck lol.
      Honestly, if Bisu collects 3-4 silvers and bronzes in the next two years then he's still the same old Bisu we've had since 2013. It's not like pre-Sonic era he was collecting tournament golds anyway. Even if somehow Bisu doesn't improve, Bisu will most likely be as he always has been and it should be fun to watch.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51453 Posts
November 06 2019 20:37 GMT
#2023
On November 06 2019 23:59 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2019 23:53 Zaibakk wrote:
Is this Effort or what? O.o

www.youtube.com


APM 450+, of coure it's EffOrt! They let him to practice from army now seems likely.


more accurately, effort had a break from his service so he's just laddering during that time.
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-15 17:05:03
December 15 2019 17:04 GMT
#2024
we had a lot of discussion and critique upon bisus return from military, and most of the comments on bisu i can agree with both negative and positive gameplay-wise to sum some up: some finesse in tvp is missing still like we see bisu throw entire maxed out army at terran without a good engagements like let say stork does but yeah thats not bisus strong point in tvp (engagements) also the zvp seems shaky at times i did see some positive points like bisus carrier gameplay in tvp is still one of the best he really has a way of abusing some maps with carrier play...

i just wanted to post a quick update on how bisu is doing but looking more at the spongbang.com he is currently ranked #3
which is maybe a bit surprising i think its better than expected maybe allin all quite a nice spot :

3 Taekyong Kim P 87 60 27 69 % 27 14 65.9 % 0 0 0 % 33 13 71.7 % 1300.5

see the rankings at:http://sponbbang.com/bj/

and flash is placed #1 ofcourse what else can you expect from god himself
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10154 Posts
December 15 2019 18:12 GMT
#2025
On December 16 2019 02:04 onlystar wrote:
we had a lot of discussion and critique upon bisus return from military, and most of the comments on bisu i can agree with both negative and positive gameplay-wise to sum some up: some finesse in tvp is missing still like we see bisu throw entire maxed out army at terran without a good engagements like let say stork does but yeah thats not bisus strong point in tvp (engagements) also the zvp seems shaky at times i did see some positive points like bisus carrier gameplay in tvp is still one of the best he really has a way of abusing some maps with carrier play...

i just wanted to post a quick update on how bisu is doing but looking more at the spongbang.com he is currently ranked #3
which is maybe a bit surprising i think its better than expected maybe allin all quite a nice spot :

3 Taekyong Kim P 87 60 27 69 % 27 14 65.9 % 0 0 0 % 33 13 71.7 % 1300.5

see the rankings at:http://sponbbang.com/bj/

and flash is placed #1 ofcourse what else can you expect from god himself

Bisu's Carrier play was actually much derided during the KeSPA era. His Carrier play was never as strong as other top Protosses, even on maps where it should be - except for a few notable games.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-15 19:06:53
December 15 2019 19:04 GMT
#2026
On December 16 2019 03:12 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2019 02:04 onlystar wrote:
we had a lot of discussion and critique upon bisus return from military, and most of the comments on bisu i can agree with both negative and positive gameplay-wise to sum some up: some finesse in tvp is missing still like we see bisu throw entire maxed out army at terran without a good engagements like let say stork does but yeah thats not bisus strong point in tvp (engagements) also the zvp seems shaky at times i did see some positive points like bisus carrier gameplay in tvp is still one of the best he really has a way of abusing some maps with carrier play...

i just wanted to post a quick update on how bisu is doing but looking more at the spongbang.com he is currently ranked #3
which is maybe a bit surprising i think its better than expected maybe allin all quite a nice spot :

3 Taekyong Kim P 87 60 27 69 % 27 14 65.9 % 0 0 0 % 33 13 71.7 % 1300.5

see the rankings at:http://sponbbang.com/bj/

and flash is placed #1 ofcourse what else can you expect from god himself

Bisu's Carrier play was actually much derided during the KeSPA era. His Carrier play was never as strong as other top Protosses, even on maps where it should be - except for a few notable games.


yeah i was talking about his streaming days carrier pvt like with the shuttle 4zealot drop to kill turrets+first 2 carriers to harass

i phrased that the wrong way by saying his carrier play is still one of the best i mean this sorta newly style carrier tvp we seen from him the last 4ish years is just still going strong
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10154 Posts
December 16 2019 02:00 GMT
#2027
On December 16 2019 04:04 onlystar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2019 03:12 Jealous wrote:
On December 16 2019 02:04 onlystar wrote:
we had a lot of discussion and critique upon bisus return from military, and most of the comments on bisu i can agree with both negative and positive gameplay-wise to sum some up: some finesse in tvp is missing still like we see bisu throw entire maxed out army at terran without a good engagements like let say stork does but yeah thats not bisus strong point in tvp (engagements) also the zvp seems shaky at times i did see some positive points like bisus carrier gameplay in tvp is still one of the best he really has a way of abusing some maps with carrier play...

i just wanted to post a quick update on how bisu is doing but looking more at the spongbang.com he is currently ranked #3
which is maybe a bit surprising i think its better than expected maybe allin all quite a nice spot :

3 Taekyong Kim P 87 60 27 69 % 27 14 65.9 % 0 0 0 % 33 13 71.7 % 1300.5

see the rankings at:http://sponbbang.com/bj/

and flash is placed #1 ofcourse what else can you expect from god himself

Bisu's Carrier play was actually much derided during the KeSPA era. His Carrier play was never as strong as other top Protosses, even on maps where it should be - except for a few notable games.


yeah i was talking about his streaming days carrier pvt like with the shuttle 4zealot drop to kill turrets+first 2 carriers to harass

i phrased that the wrong way by saying his carrier play is still one of the best i mean this sorta newly style carrier tvp we seen from him the last 4ish years is just still going strong

Fair point, my apologies for misunderstanding.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
sc19980331
Profile Joined March 2017
China1609 Posts
January 17 2020 06:08 GMT
#2028
It seems Bisu is still on vacation from last Christmas.
http://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2019-12&month2=2020-01&map_id=0&bj_id=19
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4103 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-02 08:49:38
February 02 2021 08:26 GMT
#2029
A moment that surprised me at 14:20 in a game between Flash and Bisu. A single mine is being triggered, but it gets killed about a frame before it could detonate and kill a dragoon. I didn't understand what killed the mine until I rewatched the moment at 0.25 speed.
I timestamped the video at 14:15 for the lead-up.


Also saved as GIFs just in case.
https://gyazo.com/460e8024d82a1bcd85c8338b35f604b5
https://gyazo.com/112adbecc1b2cf06dcbed8be1a70a2a9

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Basically the dragoons in the back shoot the spider mine just in time. Bisu seems to control the whole group as one, in which case the dragoons in the back shouldn't be able to shoot. But I think he actually only retreats the foremost dragoons while the rest are still on attack move. The combination of simultaneous retreat and attack move by separate groups barely results in a successful shot.
I wonder if this could perhaps be a useful technique besides the hold position technique.


Also, another goodie for the BS-recall lovers/haters at 33:10
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1180 Posts
February 02 2021 09:47 GMT
#2030
On January 17 2020 15:08 sc19980331 wrote:
It seems Bisu is still on vacation from last Christmas.
http://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2019-12&month2=2020-01&map_id=0&bj_id=19


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-01&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=19

Not really, seems like this is his level right now.

It's absurd how good he still is at PvZ in the era of Zergs basically whilst in other matchups he is just ordinary.
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