EPTOn October 08 2013 17:00 thezanursic wrote:
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I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss.
Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke)
74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%)
Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu.
If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation.
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On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer)
SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW.
While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss.
The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer.
I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way.
I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer)
SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW.
While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss.
The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer.
I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way.
I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss.
Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke)
74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%)
Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu.
If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation.
that is like saying leta, sea, soulkey, free, stats or any other a-class proleaguer would have eventually won a starleague if there were 10 more msl/osl. bisu was a PL only player, he didn't have it in him to win another individual championship
I came here to recommend it. I'm going to be tired today at work, but so worth it!
