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Xiphos
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
id[kal] just lost a game or two ago against lazy I think | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 08 2013 13:06 Caihead wrote: They abandoned the best Protoss / player at the end of BW that everyone's going to remember for some irrelevant pretty boy that didn't even play in SC2? Yea right bro. hehe shots fired! XD Jangbi was the best protoss by end of BW winning back to back OSL(something Bisu couldn't do ><) but Bisu still gets ranked above Jangbi  | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 08 2013 13:17 Xiphos wrote: Apparently the Chinese viewers on the stream keep saying that yesterday Fantasy played vs Bisu and 2-0'd him. VOD or it didn't happen On October 08 2013 13:42 BigFan wrote: hehe shots fired! XD Jangbi was the best protoss by end of BW winning back to back OSL(something Bisu couldn't do ><) but Bisu still gets ranked above Jangbi Flash Fanboyism is strong with that one. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1196 Posts
On October 08 2013 13:06 Caihead wrote: They abandoned the best Protoss / player at the end of BW that everyone's going to remember for some irrelevant pretty boy that didn't even play in SC2? Yea right bro. Not playing in SC2 sounds like a good thing to me, it's a sign of good taste. Yeah, thats right, I went there! | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:01 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Not playing in SC2 sounds like a good thing to me, it's a sign of good taste. Yeah, thats right, I went there! Jangbi quit with his head held high in top shape and a Code S Ro32 spot, Bisu stuck around in SC2 into HotS till he didn't even get fielded compared to B-line up players and left with a whimper. Yea right, good taste. Not to mention Jangbi actually retired BEFORE Bisu, AND he played in the last OSL's so he was on BW for much longer than Bisu was, so what are you on about. On October 08 2013 14:27 shaftofpleasure wrote: VOD or it didn't happen Flash Fanboyism is strong with that one. I just don't insult players when they have family troubles, call that what you want. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:11 Caihead wrote: Jangbi quit with his head held high in top shape and a Code S Ro32 spot, Bisu stuck around in SC2 into HotS till he didn't even get fielded compared to B-line up players and left with a whimper. Yea right, good taste. Not to mention Jangbi actually retired BEFORE Bisu, AND he played in the last OSL's so he was on BW for much longer than Bisu was, so what are you on about. I just don't insult players when they have family troubles, call that what you want. ?? Bisu was regularly fielded in PL during HOTS. He didn't have the best winrate, true, but he was better than the majority of players. I hope you read his interview, because it was hardly a whimper, but a sense of relief, that accompanied Bisu when he retired. Jangbi is and was a great player... top 5 Protoss of all time for sure, but you're conveniently leaving out the fact that Bisu is part of the vaunted TBLS, is widely considered the Protoss GOAT, and was the slayer of a Bonjwa... so of course people would prefer to watch him over Jangbi. Comparing their streams, I got less downtime watching Bisu as well, because he often watched replays/VODs when tired. And of course, the crispness of the multitasking is just radically different, though I think Jangbi has better reaver micro. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:31 Caladbolg wrote: ?? Bisu was regularly fielded in PL during HOTS. He didn't have the best winrate, true, but he was better than the majority of players. I hope you read his interview, because it was hardly a whimper, but a sense of relief, that accompanied Bisu when he retired. Jangbi is and was a great player... top 5 Protoss of all time for sure, but you're conveniently leaving out the fact that Bisu is part of the vaunted TBLS, is widely considered the Protoss GOAT, and was the slayer of a Bonjwa... so of course people would prefer to watch him over Jangbi. Comparing their streams, I got less downtime watching Bisu as well, because he often watched replays/VODs when tired. And of course, the crispness of the multitasking is just radically different, though I think Jangbi has better reaver micro. You should probably see the nested quote to see why I even made the comment. Just saying. And yes I know who the TBLS is. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
On October 08 2013 13:06 Caihead wrote: They abandoned the best Protoss / player at the end of BW that everyone's going to remember for some irrelevant pretty boy that didn't even play in SC2? Yea right bro. There's so much troll in that post. Have fun feeling that way. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 08 2013 15:59 BisuDagger wrote: There's so much troll in that post. Have fun feeling that way. And there was so much asshole in your post, poking fun at a player when there's family issues is off-limits. On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. Why would you care whether or not someone is a fan boy when you should just be shutting down any asshole who would respond like that to real life family troubles? Priorities on these fucking boards man. Hurts my brain. Let me just cement this for you. On October 08 2013 12:55 BisuDagger wrote: They realized he wasn't Bisu and abandoned him. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1196 Posts
SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW. While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss. The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer. I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
I'm sorry that you are touchy about that subject but I don't think anyone here is implying anything malicious atleast not against Jangbi. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8805 Posts
On October 08 2013 16:05 Caihead wrote: And there was so much asshole in your post, poking fun at a player when there's family issues is off-limits. Why would you care whether or not someone is a fan boy when you should just be shutting down any asshole who would respond like that to real life family troubles? Priorities on these fucking boards man. Hurts my brain. Let me just cement this for you. you need to loosen up. go outside and get some fresh air. being uptight about everything doesnt get you anywhere | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer) SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW. While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss. The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer. I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss. Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke) 74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%) Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu. If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 08 2013 16:05 Caihead wrote: And there was so much asshole in your post, poking fun at a player when there's family issues is off-limits. Why would you care whether or not someone is a fan boy when you should just be shutting down any asshole who would respond like that to real life family troubles? Priorities on these fucking boards man. Hurts my brain. Let me just cement this for you. Dood you need to chill. No one here is against Jangbi .. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1196 Posts
On October 08 2013 16:05 Caihead wrote: Why would you care whether or not someone is a fan boy when you should just be shutting down any asshole who would respond like that to real life family troubles? Priorities on these fucking boards man. Hurts my brain. Let me just cement this for you. I, and most people, seem able to see the humour in it, and BisuDagger being a Bisu fanboy is perfectly relevant. It provides the context that he thinks extremely highly of Bisu, and therefore 'realising he wasn't Bisu' is pretty harsh, that's the joke. I mean having to dissect the joke kinda kills it, but can you really not see that the fanboyism provides the context for this statement not being malicious? On October 08 2013 17:00 thezanursic wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer) SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW. While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss. The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer. I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss. Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke) 74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%) Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu. If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation. Well he did say 'at the end of BW', in that context consistency over a long period of time becomes rather irrelevant. Keep in mind that people judge how good someone is by different standards, alot of people are individual league focused, and many value OSLs more than MSLs sometimes much more so. Personally, I place alot of value in level of play, irrespective of results, whether it is OSL, or MSL or proleague ace match, whether it's vs really good players or fairly bad players. To me, level of play is something self evident you can see from watching the actual game, and I don't place any emphasis on the context or importance of the match, or even if they win or lose (though playing well certainly makes winning more likely), everything other than how well they play is irrelevant to me. But lots of people do emphasize results, quality of the opponent, whether or not it's in starleagues etc, so I can perfectly understand why people would say that Jangbi was better at the end of BW (eg he wasn't overall better by that time, he was just better at the time). Given OSLs are traditionally weighted more than everything else, and he beat some opponents who had seriously impressive vP matchups. I mean for me, undoubtedly, Bisu performed better, even at the end (though even I think Jangbi had better PvT, no matter how you judge it). But I can perfectly understand that people could be having this disagreement if you put in all the weighting for factors I don't personally value much. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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flashimba
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On October 08 2013 17:00 thezanursic wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2013 16:06 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I think the pertinent point isn't whether they got fielded in HOTS, it's that who cares how they performed in sc2? (increasingly, not even the sc2 fanbase seems to be the answer) SC2 and BW are just completely different games, despite the incidental correlation in names, their performance in HOTS pretty much has no relevance to how good they each were, or are, in BW. While there is a genuine argument that Jangbi might well have been better at the end of the professional BW scene with his 2 OSL wins, it's not like Bisu stopped playing, he was still performing fine in the proleague, Jangbi unarguably had the better starleague performance near the end, but looking at the quality of their actual gameplay, Jangbi had better PvT, Bisu had better PvZ. At the end of the day people just value PvZ more because it's the 'hard matchup' for protoss. The argument that Jangbi was in BW longer is just nonsense, Bisu's last official BW game was actually after Jangbi's last official game, they switched out of BW at the same time, eg when Kespa switched over. Bisu's notoriety, and career, started long before Jangbi's, he's been in BW considerably longer. I think your just taking this whole thing a bit seriously tbh, Bisudagger is a well known Bisu fanboy, and I was just pointing out that SC2 is completely irrelevant in a tongue and cheek way. I think that you and the majority of people posting here are missing the point. Bisu is ranked more highly because he was more consistent (2011 anyone?). While I can't say that I've been around during the time when he actually won starleagues. I can say that looking at the statistics and the last SPL and a half he was obviously the one who you could actually depend on beating a lesser player while Jangbi occasionally brought out a flash of brilliance and beat basically anyone, but overall Jangbi seemed to have a lot of ups and downs in his career while Bisu never faltered from being the most consistent protoss. Also people seem to forget that there were only 2 OSLs in 2011 and 2012 and Bisu seemed to in top shape these last two years. (Having a FlaSh level winrate for the last two years is no joke) 74 wins - 26 losses (74.00%) Jangbi - 56 wins - 42 losses (57.14%) Amm yeah not comparable to Bisu. If 2011 and 2012 each had 4 to 6 starleagues (MSL and OSL). I think Bisu would have won one, but this is obviously just speculation. In the end it's pure speculation. Flash had a great winrate in 2011 and 2012 as well and he only managed to win one MSL in 2011. Jangbi won when it counted in the individual leagues. Bisu also won when it counted, at the very end of Proleague. All are great champions in their own way. | ||
BLinD-RawR
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