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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
January 21 2022 05:03 GMT
#8161
Someone may've already mentioned this idea before at some point, I think it's a great idea: lets reduce the awesome of the shock value so there will be less negative feelings. For the same reason we should also make horror movies without the scary so there will be more happiness after the gory.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
January 21 2022 05:06 GMT
#8162
On January 21 2022 12:31 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 11:04 Jealous wrote:
On January 21 2022 10:49 Dante08 wrote:
On January 21 2022 00:03 Jealous wrote:
On January 20 2022 23:48 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 18:38 TMNT wrote:
On January 20 2022 14:39 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 09:39 Essbee wrote:
Look at what Gypsy had to say about balance changes in general (and these in particular) and you have your answer right there.

- emp vs recall, I'm generally ok with emp vs statis but Arbiters being able to recall after emp hits (if Protoss already hit recall) is just bullshit imo. If Terran hits the EMP the recall doesn't go off, simple as that.

How is this bullshit? You both have an arrow. The other guy is shooting a bird. You are shooting him. Your arrow hits him after his arrow is released. Your arrow should kill him but his arrow should still kill the bird.


Pointless to use such an analogy for Starcraft. If you hit an EMP on an Arbiter you should be able to stop a recall, not have an Arbiter still get the recall off 2 seconds later.

Lol I love how you just wrote off the argument as pointless by just restating your initial argument.

On January 20 2022 23:55 Dante08 wrote:
What I'm saying is if I were to change something, it would be to change the mechanics of EMP. For example if the Arbiter gets hit by lockdown the recall would not go off. So the change would along those lines.

They literally casted the spell before you did. The energy is already spent. You were too slow, too late. Get over it.


Yeah makes sense, maybe let's change it so that once the Arbiter casts recall it still goes off even if the Arbiter dies. Or if it gets hit by lockdown or stasis (not that it will ever happen). Since it's already casted it should go off?

Except removing the energy of an Arbiter and destroying/disabling an Arbiter are not at all analogous? How are you so confidently just skipping over this fact?


Yeah that's what I'm saying, since it's a video game if I were to patch it it would be to tweak the mechanics of EMP so that it stops recall if it hits.

I don't think it's that hard to understand?


sinkies and complaining, name a better duo


User was temp banned for this post.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3159 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-21 05:07:49
January 21 2022 05:07 GMT
#8163
Only change I would make is for SCVs to be able to attack units under dark swarm. They are a melee unit after all. I don't think that would break the game.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-21 05:30:27
January 21 2022 05:29 GMT
#8164
On January 21 2022 13:37 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 12:31 Dante08 wrote:
On January 21 2022 11:04 Jealous wrote:
On January 21 2022 10:49 Dante08 wrote:
On January 21 2022 00:03 Jealous wrote:
On January 20 2022 23:48 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 18:38 TMNT wrote:
On January 20 2022 14:39 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 09:39 Essbee wrote:
Look at what Gypsy had to say about balance changes in general (and these in particular) and you have your answer right there.

- emp vs recall, I'm generally ok with emp vs statis but Arbiters being able to recall after emp hits (if Protoss already hit recall) is just bullshit imo. If Terran hits the EMP the recall doesn't go off, simple as that.

How is this bullshit? You both have an arrow. The other guy is shooting a bird. You are shooting him. Your arrow hits him after his arrow is released. Your arrow should kill him but his arrow should still kill the bird.


Pointless to use such an analogy for Starcraft. If you hit an EMP on an Arbiter you should be able to stop a recall, not have an Arbiter still get the recall off 2 seconds later.

Lol I love how you just wrote off the argument as pointless by just restating your initial argument.

On January 20 2022 23:55 Dante08 wrote:
What I'm saying is if I were to change something, it would be to change the mechanics of EMP. For example if the Arbiter gets hit by lockdown the recall would not go off. So the change would along those lines.

They literally casted the spell before you did. The energy is already spent. You were too slow, too late. Get over it.


Yeah makes sense, maybe let's change it so that once the Arbiter casts recall it still goes off even if the Arbiter dies. Or if it gets hit by lockdown or stasis (not that it will ever happen). Since it's already casted it should go off?

Except removing the energy of an Arbiter and destroying/disabling an Arbiter are not at all analogous? How are you so confidently just skipping over this fact?


Yeah that's what I'm saying, since it's a video game if I were to patch it it would be to tweak the mechanics of EMP so that it stops recall if it hits.

I don't think it's that hard to understand?

No, the entire time you've framed this as that it's "bullshit" and you "should be able to stop it" as if this is some universal truth, and not some head canon patch you're plotting. You're entitled to your opinion, just as much as others are entitled to the opinion that your opinion is stupid.

Terran is already the most successful race in the game. Just because it irks you personally as a lower level player doesn't mean that it's something that needs fixing. This has been proven time and again by progamers. Again, as I said above: get over it.


Maybe I could have put my point across another way, but this is the general discussion thread and I was just highlighting a topic for discussion. Maybe we should chill a little!
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-21 05:44:41
January 21 2022 05:29 GMT
#8165
On January 21 2022 14:06 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 12:31 Dante08 wrote:
On January 21 2022 11:04 Jealous wrote:
On January 21 2022 10:49 Dante08 wrote:
On January 21 2022 00:03 Jealous wrote:
On January 20 2022 23:48 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 18:38 TMNT wrote:
On January 20 2022 14:39 Dante08 wrote:
On January 20 2022 09:39 Essbee wrote:
Look at what Gypsy had to say about balance changes in general (and these in particular) and you have your answer right there.

- emp vs recall, I'm generally ok with emp vs statis but Arbiters being able to recall after emp hits (if Protoss already hit recall) is just bullshit imo. If Terran hits the EMP the recall doesn't go off, simple as that.

How is this bullshit? You both have an arrow. The other guy is shooting a bird. You are shooting him. Your arrow hits him after his arrow is released. Your arrow should kill him but his arrow should still kill the bird.


Pointless to use such an analogy for Starcraft. If you hit an EMP on an Arbiter you should be able to stop a recall, not have an Arbiter still get the recall off 2 seconds later.

Lol I love how you just wrote off the argument as pointless by just restating your initial argument.

On January 20 2022 23:55 Dante08 wrote:
What I'm saying is if I were to change something, it would be to change the mechanics of EMP. For example if the Arbiter gets hit by lockdown the recall would not go off. So the change would along those lines.

They literally casted the spell before you did. The energy is already spent. You were too slow, too late. Get over it.


Yeah makes sense, maybe let's change it so that once the Arbiter casts recall it still goes off even if the Arbiter dies. Or if it gets hit by lockdown or stasis (not that it will ever happen). Since it's already casted it should go off?

Except removing the energy of an Arbiter and destroying/disabling an Arbiter are not at all analogous? How are you so confidently just skipping over this fact?


Yeah that's what I'm saying, since it's a video game if I were to patch it it would be to tweak the mechanics of EMP so that it stops recall if it hits.

I don't think it's that hard to understand?


sinkies and complaining, name a better duo


Very cool attacking someone's nationality while yours is anonymous.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-21 05:49:23
January 21 2022 05:48 GMT
#8166
very cool complaining about arbiters while progames show otherwise
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1548 Posts
January 21 2022 09:41 GMT
#8167
On January 21 2022 05:00 marwin wrote:
Come back from Bisu?
Posted today at his afreeca page + Show Spoiler +
https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/82794186
:
"Hello, I'm Taek-Yong Kim.
Coin investment with the wrong idea
After the coin incident, I did not feel the seriousness
I'm really sorry for lying
Even now, I am very ashamed and ashamed of myself as a disciple.
I would like to express my condolences this Sunday at 9pm.
I'm really sorry"
(translated with google translate).
Original text + Show Spoiler +
안녕하세요 김택용입니다
잘못된생각으로 코인투자한것
코인사건이터지고나서 심각성을느끼지못하고
거짓말을해서 정말죄송합니다
지금도 제자신이 굉장히 부끄럽고 창피하네요
이번주 일요일저녁9시에 죄송한마음 전해드리고싶습니다
정말 너무 죄송합니다


This is good!
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
January 21 2022 11:35 GMT
#8168
Since Artosis and Tasteless didnt cast ASTL is there any english cast on internet? I found guy named Namkraft did it but dude is hard to listen (nothing personal if you read this ). Did Scan maybe cast season 3?
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1548 Posts
January 21 2022 12:09 GMT
#8169
Scan wasn't given permission so it's a bit of a risk as Afreecatv might issue a copyright strike. Namkraft took that risk so it's either him or the original Korean audio on Afreeca -- both are linked in the Small VoD Thread 2.0.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27282 Posts
January 21 2022 14:07 GMT
#8170
On January 21 2022 13:43 quaristice wrote:
if i was forced to make changes to bw (which i wouldn't)

then i would make it so that the arbiter's recall startup had a visible animation on the arbiter (think like how science vessels blink). i think this would reduce the amount of feelbad moments for terrans without affecting much otherwise

That seems sensible. It’s a fair interaction as it is but it would look a little less wonky/you’d have feedback quicker as to whether you nailed your EMP or not.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3703 Posts
January 21 2022 17:03 GMT
#8171
On January 21 2022 14:07 NoS-Craig wrote:
Only change I would make is for SCVs to be able to attack units under dark swarm. They are a melee unit after all. I don't think that would break the game.


Afaik they are ranged units with range 0?
So would you change scvs to actual melee (which might break something) or make units with range 0 unaffected by dark swarm (changes darkswarm)?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10360 Posts
January 21 2022 18:25 GMT
#8172
On January 22 2022 02:03 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 14:07 NoS-Craig wrote:
Only change I would make is for SCVs to be able to attack units under dark swarm. They are a melee unit after all. I don't think that would break the game.


Afaik they are ranged units with range 0?
So would you change scvs to actual melee (which might break something) or make units with range 0 unaffected by dark swarm (changes darkswarm)?

It has a range of 1.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
January 21 2022 21:13 GMT
#8173
On January 21 2022 14:07 NoS-Craig wrote:
Only change I would make is for SCVs to be able to attack units under dark swarm. They are a melee unit after all. I don't think that would break the game.


This is a common misconception.

Space construction vehicles are actually ranged units, being less than 1, their range being the shortest in the game. This common misconception comes from the animation, that makes it look as if their attack is melee, as for example a zergling, while it is ranged, go figure
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10834 Posts
January 22 2022 06:29 GMT
#8174
What really throws me off as a color blind person is for instance watching ASL right now ZvZ Sacsri vs byuktube, and it appears it is teal vs green? It is really hard for me to tell being color blind, they look almost identical... T_T
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
confusedzerg
Profile Joined July 2021
Russian Federation102 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-01-22 15:51:34
January 22 2022 15:51 GMT
#8175
On January 21 2022 18:41 moktira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2022 05:00 marwin wrote:
Come back from Bisu?
Posted today at his afreeca page + Show Spoiler +
https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/82794186
:
"Hello, I'm Taek-Yong Kim.
Coin investment with the wrong idea
After the coin incident, I did not feel the seriousness
I'm really sorry for lying
Even now, I am very ashamed and ashamed of myself as a disciple.
I would like to express my condolences this Sunday at 9pm.
I'm really sorry"
(translated with google translate).
Original text + Show Spoiler +
안녕하세요 김택용입니다
잘못된생각으로 코인투자한것
코인사건이터지고나서 심각성을느끼지못하고
거짓말을해서 정말죄송합니다
지금도 제자신이 굉장히 부끄럽고 창피하네요
이번주 일요일저녁9시에 죄송한마음 전해드리고싶습니다
정말 너무 죄송합니다


This is good!


No it is not! He needs to not give a fuck! Just stream and do you. Ignore what teenage koreans say, they should not take finance advice from anyone but books and goldman sachs! Thank you.
I am a Westerner and I like homosexuality. Thank you.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3703 Posts
January 22 2022 16:31 GMT
#8176
I mean if u explain the coin situation to anyone, once you get to the part where no one actually lost any money, people go "wtf?". But Korean culture is different from western culture so it is what it is.
Hoping he can make a comeback, always good to have bisu around
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9134 Posts
January 24 2022 07:52 GMT
#8177
Bisu is streaming right now !

He is starting a game vs Soulkey on Polypoid
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9134 Posts
January 24 2022 08:02 GMT
#8178
OMG! His multitasking is unbelivable!!!

430 APM and he destroyed SK in less than 8 minutes...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9134 Posts
January 24 2022 08:26 GMT
#8179
But SK is amazing too and comes back !

He defeats Bisu with 2-1 !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
quaristice
Profile Joined February 2021
136 Posts
January 27 2022 10:14 GMT
#8180
are there any events for low rank players that don't ban picking random? RSL and CPL both ban random

i'm hovering at the border between E and D rank atm
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