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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10177 Posts
May 06 2021 13:31 GMT
#7701
On May 06 2021 22:21 prosatan wrote:
An amazing game right now between Stork and Killer! Featuring dark archons, a million plagues, failed recalls and a lot of action! I am watching both streams haha

On May 06 2021 22:21 prosatan wrote:

Timestamp in KST for anyone checking later
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
May 06 2021 19:59 GMT
#7702
On May 06 2021 22:31 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 22:21 prosatan wrote:
An amazing game right now between Stork and Killer! Featuring dark archons, a million plagues, failed recalls and a lot of action! I am watching both streams haha

On May 06 2021 22:21 prosatan wrote:

Timestamp in KST for anyone checking later

Jealous I cannot find it right now

I'm sorry

This is Storks youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/SongByungGuTV/videos
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4316 Posts
May 07 2021 04:09 GMT
#7703
Found it, game starts at 2h 58m 10s
https://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/72143218
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
May 07 2021 04:39 GMT
#7704
You indeed have magic powers !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8691 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-07 07:50:05
May 07 2021 07:48 GMT
#7705
bisus latest vid pains me to watch as a long time bisu fanboy.
maybe someone will translate it but the gist of it is that he feels his time is up and doesnt believe he can keep up with the younger players.
watching him in that vid makes me wanna cry almost. its the first time hes publicly admitted that he thinks hes washed up and genuinely feels hes not good enough to compete anymore. he said he felt ashamed of his own performances and skill whilst watching the winners match and had doubts about his own ability by just simply watching that series.
pusan also says that he feels sad/angry for bisu because by just watching bisus movements vs snow he could see that they were the movements of a player that isnt confident anymore and thinking about retirement. he knows that bisu will be taking the loss the hardest and can relate because when he was in that position himself he did the exact same thing in his games.

with flash leaving and jd already having lost his passion for sc even before leaving to the army, stork already being a shadow of his former self, the era of tbls is definitely over. it just sucks to see bisu finally admit defeat and openly say his time is up.

he did say hell play in further competitions this year because he made a pledge to try his best this year, but his efforts to stay competitive this year will be his last.
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China165 Posts
May 07 2021 08:44 GMT
#7706
In fact, Best is older than Bisu, and Queen is only three months younger than Bisu.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8691 Posts
May 07 2021 08:53 GMT
#7707
those werent the players he was referring to
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
May 07 2021 10:49 GMT
#7708
Bisu's issue isn't skill or mechanics, it's purely mental -- he has become a choke artist, and it's unfortunate.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4208 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-07 10:51:44
May 07 2021 10:51 GMT
#7709
On May 07 2021 19:49 Avi-Love wrote:
Bisu's issue isn't skill or mechanics, it's purely mental -- he has become a choke artist, and it's unfortunate.

100% agree.

Real damn shame.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1069 Posts
May 07 2021 11:04 GMT
#7710
Bisu multitasking and micro js still above most if not all ASLers.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8691 Posts
May 07 2021 11:30 GMT
#7711
On May 07 2021 19:49 Avi-Love wrote:
Bisu's issue isn't skill or mechanics, it's purely mental -- he has become a choke artist, and it's unfortunate.

thats whats so sad about this whole thing. i think most people would agree that in non-tourney settings bisu is still top tier but the pressure gets to him in tourneys now and he cant perform. however if bisu also thought this then hed still have the drive or confidence to say that he still has the ability to win a tournament as long as he performs to his best.
now hes openly saying that he doesnt have the ability anymore. whether it be due to the pressure of living up to his own name or if he believes hes objectively not good enough, he has lost faith in himself to compete
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2836 Posts
May 07 2021 12:19 GMT
#7712
Mental or not, a progamer is not gonna get better once he's over 30, plus after spending 1.5 years in the military. The main thing that has kept Bisu going after military is actually his fans. Tbh we should feel thankful Bisu hasn't joined Sea and Rain in streaming LOL and those talkshows (he'll probably join at some point though).



ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-07 13:13:57
May 07 2021 13:13 GMT
#7713
like (P)Bisu was ever a mental juggernaut lol,
but hes still my one of my favorite toss because of his superb mechanics.

(Z)ZerO came back from military in early 2019 (afaik) and took about a year before he won asl9 and 10. similar age as (P)Bisu and used to be a choker too. everyone is different.
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
May 07 2021 14:44 GMT
#7714
On May 07 2021 21:19 TMNT wrote:
Mental or not, a progamer is not gonna get better once he's over 30, plus after spending 1.5 years in the military. The main thing that has kept Bisu going after military is actually his fans. Tbh we should feel thankful Bisu hasn't joined Sea and Rain in streaming LOL and those talkshows (he'll probably join at some point though).





This is pretty clearly not true though, Bisu is a lot better now than he was 6 or 12 months ago. I don't think I've seen post-army Bisu perform better in spons than he is right now -- he's been the best protoss and in the top 3'ish area consistently over the last few months. His PvZ is actually at an absolutely insane level right now, throughout 2021 he has a winning record against every single zerg progamer he has played, and that is significant. The only players he has a losing record vs this year according to sponbbang are: Flash(2-5), Light(18-25), Snow(1-5) and Stork (3-4). Three of those are obviously tiny samples too.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4316 Posts
May 07 2021 19:17 GMT
#7715
Bisu being negative about his own abilities seems to me like something the best players (or those with the greatest potential) simply have to go through. How else do you improve and become/stay the best? Certainly not by being overconfident, I can say that much. But if you doubt your knowledge, then you give yourself a chance to become better.
I can also say that Bisu should be quite confident in his multitasking abilities, he's obviously ahead of the competition in that regard.

I think Bisu should work more closely with Stork and study the theoretical aspects of the game with him, because they have contrasting approaches and both are very good at different things.
I see Stork do smart things that make perfect sense, but his execution can cost him games. He's very thoughtful and observant and he likes to make very careful plans that look really damn good on paper, but unfortunately he tends to fall behind when it's time to have fast and precise execution (at least in PvZ), because he never seems to enter a higher gear. It'd be good if he learned from Bisu when it's time to push APM, because it'd open new doors for him that'd strengthen his overall gameplan. He can keep his APM lower in some situations, but not all the time.
Meanwhile Bisu has great execution, allowing him to keep up with literally anyone, but compared to Stork he seems to be less tactically refined (at least at S-class level). His speed gives him a lot of small edges that build up over time and give him many opportunities. His problem is that he's so focused on being mechanically superior that he doesn't leave himself moments to think ahead from a tactical and positional viewpoint. That isn't to say he's bad at tactics at all, but it's not his strong point relatively speaking.
In terms of strategy alone, both players are at an extremely high level. Their weaknesses are a bit more specific.
If these two players learn from one another, they could probably increase their winrates in their weaker matchups and hence become a lot more fearsome overall. Because just a few % can make all the difference in a series.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
May 09 2021 03:53 GMT
#7716
Flash, Britney, Larva and Rain

Flash is getting ready for the military !

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
May 09 2021 04:30 GMT
#7717
Britney is such a character.
-.-
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-09 19:32:28
May 09 2021 19:03 GMT
#7718
What happened to Sea? Did ASL banned him or he's just not giving a flying fuck about BW anymore? Of course, when you're pulling 30k viewers it's cool to milk those juicy balloons but it's a definitely shame that BEST proleague player and formerly top 3 terran is wasting his time like this...
And any info about AlphaGo I mean Last? His wrists are still fucked up? Such a shame, he almost reached FlaSh's level and now can't even qualify.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
May 09 2021 19:09 GMT
#7719
On May 10 2021 04:03 outscar wrote:
What happened to Sea? Did ASL banned him or he's just not giving a flying fuck about BW anymore? Of course, when you're pulling 30k viewers it's cool to milk those juicy balloons but it's a definitely shame that BEST progamer player and formerly top 3 terran is wasting his time like this...
And any info about AlphaGo I mean Last? His wrists are still fucked up? Such a shame, he almost reached FlaSh's level and now can't even qualify.


Sea quit starcraft for good after failing to qualify for asl11, did a farewell stream and all

Last got a lot of hate from netizens when he couldnt perform well, streams for fun instead
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
May 09 2021 19:34 GMT
#7720
On May 10 2021 04:09 Ziggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2021 04:03 outscar wrote:
What happened to Sea? Did ASL banned him or he's just not giving a flying fuck about BW anymore? Of course, when you're pulling 30k viewers it's cool to milk those juicy balloons but it's a definitely shame that BEST progamer player and formerly top 3 terran is wasting his time like this...
And any info about AlphaGo I mean Last? His wrists are still fucked up? Such a shame, he almost reached FlaSh's level and now can't even qualify.


Sea quit starcraft for good after failing to qualify for asl11, did a farewell stream and all

Last got a lot of hate from netizens when he couldnt perform well, streams for fun instead


Wow I didn't know that Sea quit, sucks honestly.
sunbeams are never made like me...
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