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lsi8505
Profile Joined October 2018
1 Post
October 28 2018 04:17 GMT
#4901
Could Anybody help me?

Now i just started to analysis broodwar replays using parsed named screw (https://github.com/icza/screp)

and I can analyze replay data
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but there are a lot of duplications such as production of probe at first time of game,
because players click to make prove even though they don't have enough money.

I want to get real game data not a player's click record.
Can you guys help me?? how can i get real data ?

[image loading]

Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 02:35:44
October 29 2018 02:35 GMT
#4902
On October 28 2018 13:17 lsi8505 wrote:
Could Anybody help me?

Now i just started to analysis broodwar replays using parsed named screw (https://github.com/icza/screp)


I can't help you but I want to point out that older analyzers like BWChart were also unable to distinguish between the two types of actions.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Tappo
Profile Joined July 2018
101 Posts
October 29 2018 04:49 GMT
#4903
On October 27 2018 13:20 DJONES wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion. Can someone explain to me what is happening in the BW community? Why are Flash and other top players not playing SC2 anymore? (I haven't been keeping up with the scene since everyone switched to SC2...but I'm glad to hear it. BW>>>>>>>>>SC2)

Bad news: Flash still likes and watches/plays Starcraft 2 (One of his stream VOD starts with him watching GSL). Its just that his chat turns into a shitshow the moment he plays Starcraft 2. They mock him for being "too bad"
zerglingling
Profile Joined April 2018
131 Posts
October 29 2018 07:58 GMT
#4904
About the replay problem, nope, that's how RTS games handle thousands of units over the network; the clients only send commands to one another, and unless gremlins happen, everyone's PC simulates the same game in a synchronous and deterministic way.
The primary purpose of replays is to debug issues with this approach, so naturally they only contain the commands.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10387 Posts
October 29 2018 08:12 GMT
#4905
On October 29 2018 16:58 zerglingling wrote:
About the replay problem, nope, that's how RTS games handle thousands of units over the network; the clients only send commands to one another, and unless gremlins happen, everyone's PC simulates the same game in a synchronous and deterministic way.
The primary purpose of replays is to debug issues with this approach, so naturally they only contain the commands.

If your mineral count gets stored, can't you just make something that excludes any action that would cost more minerals than you have?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-30 00:20:23
October 29 2018 15:43 GMT
#4906
On October 29 2018 13:49 Tappo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2018 13:20 DJONES wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion. Can someone explain to me what is happening in the BW community? Why are Flash and other top players not playing SC2 anymore? (I haven't been keeping up with the scene since everyone switched to SC2...but I'm glad to hear it. BW>>>>>>>>>SC2)

Bad news: Flash still likes and watches/plays Starcraft 2 (One of his stream VOD starts with him watching GSL). Its just that his chat turns into a shitshow the moment he plays Starcraft 2. They mock him for being "too bad"


That's funny. Brood War is the superior game and Flash should be playing it.

(If he wants to...but it'd be a disservice to the gaming community to have him not playing Brood War).
facebook.com/DJONESisagod
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-30 13:37:29
October 30 2018 13:31 GMT
#4907
On October 30 2018 00:43 DJONES wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 13:49 Tappo wrote:
On October 27 2018 13:20 DJONES wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion. Can someone explain to me what is happening in the BW community? Why are Flash and other top players not playing SC2 anymore? (I haven't been keeping up with the scene since everyone switched to SC2...but I'm glad to hear it. BW>>>>>>>>>SC2)

Bad news: Flash still likes and watches/plays Starcraft 2 (One of his stream VOD starts with him watching GSL). Its just that his chat turns into a shitshow the moment he plays Starcraft 2. They mock him for being "too bad"


That's funny. Brood War is the superior game and Flash should be playing it.

(If he wants to...but it'd be a disservice to the gaming community to have him not playing Brood War).


oh boy hope he wont feel temtation to prove the trolls wrong here ...

watching flash play bw is a piece of art

T0kamak
Profile Joined October 2018
3 Posts
October 31 2018 13:50 GMT
#4908
I was shocked at how smart, beautiful, interesting and emotional was Effort games. So create Tribute


youtu.be
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
October 31 2018 14:03 GMT
#4909
I Think we need a thread for unimpressed effort meme
zerglingling
Profile Joined April 2018
131 Posts
October 31 2018 17:20 GMT
#4910
On October 29 2018 17:12 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 16:58 zerglingling wrote:
About the replay problem, nope, that's how RTS games handle thousands of units over the network; the clients only send commands to one another, and unless gremlins happen, everyone's PC simulates the same game in a synchronous and deterministic way.
The primary purpose of replays is to debug issues with this approach, so naturally they only contain the commands.

If your mineral count gets stored, can't you just make something that excludes any action that would cost more minerals than you have?

It's not stored, that's the problem. You have to simulate the game with something like OpenBW or use a bwapi plugin, and monitor the state of the match to actually analyze what happens. It is doable, it's just a pain.
A general purpose game analyzer would be a nice thing to have, it would let you harvest BOs and compile all sorts of statistics in an efficient way. You could even have a searchable database of every BW replay that's out there, able to return absurdly specific things like "every match on CB with a dark archon made before the 9th minute", or "history of ZvT win percentages vs 1-1-1 openings".
I'm sure that an analyzer like that would be useful for AI training as well.

What's the current state of 1.2 replays, anyway? Parseable? Playable in Open? Possible to downgrade the format to work with bwapi?
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
October 31 2018 23:16 GMT
#4911
On October 30 2018 22:31 onlystar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 00:43 DJONES wrote:
On October 29 2018 13:49 Tappo wrote:
On October 27 2018 13:20 DJONES wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion. Can someone explain to me what is happening in the BW community? Why are Flash and other top players not playing SC2 anymore? (I haven't been keeping up with the scene since everyone switched to SC2...but I'm glad to hear it. BW>>>>>>>>>SC2)

Bad news: Flash still likes and watches/plays Starcraft 2 (One of his stream VOD starts with him watching GSL). Its just that his chat turns into a shitshow the moment he plays Starcraft 2. They mock him for being "too bad"


That's funny. Brood War is the superior game and Flash should be playing it.

(If he wants to...but it'd be a disservice to the gaming community to have him not playing Brood War).


oh boy hope he wont feel temtation to prove the trolls wrong here ...

watching flash play bw is a piece of art



Yeah he's really good. You guys go a little too far calling him god and shit though 😂😂. As we saw against Effort he's definitely human. Glad Effort won, but I bet if Flash went standard bio he would've won the series easily. I think he was trying to be creative and bring excitement back to Brood War, not knowing that watching his impeccable mechanical play is exciting enough for most people.
facebook.com/DJONESisagod
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 31 2018 23:26 GMT
#4912
Why didn’t he go standard bio then? The guy was playing to win the $30,000.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 23:41:55
October 31 2018 23:41 GMT
#4913
On November 01 2018 08:26 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Why didn’t he go standard bio then? The guy was playing to win the $30,000.

Yea, I second this sentiment. I think it fits Flash's character to pick the strategy that he feels has the highest chance of winning much more than doing something for entertainment value alone, especially in a finals as hype as this one (not to mention the history behind it).
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 01:31:12
November 01 2018 01:24 GMT
#4914
On November 01 2018 08:16 DJONES wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 22:31 onlystar wrote:
On October 30 2018 00:43 DJONES wrote:
On October 29 2018 13:49 Tappo wrote:
On October 27 2018 13:20 DJONES wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion. Can someone explain to me what is happening in the BW community? Why are Flash and other top players not playing SC2 anymore? (I haven't been keeping up with the scene since everyone switched to SC2...but I'm glad to hear it. BW>>>>>>>>>SC2)

Bad news: Flash still likes and watches/plays Starcraft 2 (One of his stream VOD starts with him watching GSL). Its just that his chat turns into a shitshow the moment he plays Starcraft 2. They mock him for being "too bad"


That's funny. Brood War is the superior game and Flash should be playing it.

(If he wants to...but it'd be a disservice to the gaming community to have him not playing Brood War).


oh boy hope he wont feel temtation to prove the trolls wrong here ...

watching flash play bw is a piece of art



Yeah he's really good. You guys go a little too far calling him god and shit though 😂😂. As we saw against Effort he's definitely human. Glad Effort won, but I bet if Flash went standard bio he would've won the series easily. I think he was trying to be creative and bring excitement back to Brood War, not knowing that watching his impeccable mechanical play is exciting enough for most people.


flash went 1-1-1 because you can counter any build/strategy that zerg throws at you (but with a big if you dont suffer any damage/delays early on)

the 1-1-1 so often puts terran in an advantage in midgame but as every zerg/terran player knows the 1-1-1 is fragile which was painful to watch in the finals and semi-finals last vs effort
Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
November 01 2018 12:29 GMT
#4915
Flash often uses finals to try out mech build orders and unstandard stuff he’s just always the guy who’s mentality is “I do what I want”. He would probably have less silvers if this wasn’t the case. He’s been beatin by Jaedong and effort and others and it’s always cause of that
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28897 Posts
November 01 2018 12:40 GMT
#4916
There was a period some months ago where Flash beat Effort something absurd like 46-3 using 111 build every game. It is however very volatile - getting your first vulture surrounded might lose you the game - but there is ample history backing up Flash's choice of strategy. Effort came prepared and did a very good job countering Flash, but a lot of it can be pinned down to very small, but incredibly crucial, micromanagement errors.
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Yanokabo
Profile Joined October 2018
268 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 12:52:59
November 01 2018 12:52 GMT
#4917
Yeah 1-1-1 hinges on getting thru the first 6-7 minutes with only vulture to defense. Your marine counts low, you not building a bunker, so if u can’t micro the vulture vs Ling’s or hydra then the build won’t work at all.
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
November 01 2018 15:30 GMT
#4918
Hey Liquid`Drone! Arthosis was talking about you in his recent interview with "Nice Username"
"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
AntiHack
Profile Joined January 2009
Switzerland553 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-01 15:35:22
November 01 2018 15:30 GMT
#4919
Why KCM events aren't featured on TL? A lack of writers I guess

Sry double post

On October 31 2018 22:50 T0kamak wrote:
I was shocked at how smart, beautiful, interesting and emotional was Effort games. So create Tribute

https://youtu.be/T4-EAFOHyUw
youtu.be



That's good! Thank you for the hard work and passion!
I agree about the music, maybe next time you'll chose a more fitting one :D

"I am very tired of your grammar errors" - Zoler[MB]
DJONES
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States218 Posts
November 03 2018 01:52 GMT
#4920
Not going to argue with people on here about what goes on in Flash's head.
facebook.com/DJONESisagod
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