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BigFan
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[AS]Rattus
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edit: smth like 0,7E/S at least for medic and scanner | ||
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Ideas
United States8162 Posts
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Highgamer
1448 Posts
I guess when those guys retire definitelly or really cut down on the amount that they play, and maybe a new generation steps up and tries to replace them, surely one level or rather several levels lower, that will be a decisive time for whether BW lives on under that condition as a considerable spectator sport or dies (in that regard!) with that Kespa-forged generaion. | ||
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Yanokabo
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BigFan
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On November 07 2018 10:41 Highgamer wrote: I assume Korea, with the size of the player pool, the love for the game and the relative fame for players who make it high up, has quite a bit of fresh blood, young dedicated players who can play watchable games - but I doubt there will ever be a generation like those names you're talking about. The professional training they went through for years just seems unsurmountable, at least so far noone seems to have emerged to get even close... on top of that those ex-pros will take all the attention for as long as they're around. I guess when those guys retire definitelly or really cut down on the amount that they play, and maybe a new generation steps up and tries to replace them, surely one level or rather several levels lower, that will be a decisive time for whether BW lives on under that condition as a considerable spectator sport or dies (in that regard!) with that Kespa-forged generaion. We probably won't see the same high level of play as the pros when they retire, but several amateurs have made it into ASL in 2017, and one did really well against BeSt and Mong. I think the scene will continue, but whether the same amount of people will follow these new players who don't really have a history is anyone's guess. Would be difficult for sure. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 07 2018 12:40 BigFan wrote: I think your underestimating the lack of new players. Yes, new players can rise to the top-- if your very dedicated and smart you can get really solid in broodwar in a year or two, so that doesnt mean much. Those are just a couple people, but the actual state of the game isnt good. It hasnt had cross generational appeal.We probably won't see the same high level of play as the pros when they retire, but several amateurs have made it into ASL in 2017, and one did really well against BeSt and Mong. I think the scene will continue, but whether the same amount of people will follow these new players who don't really have a history is anyone's guess. Would be difficult for sure. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 07 2018 12:50 Dazed. wrote: I think your underestimating the lack of new players. Yes, new players can rise to the top-- if your very dedicated and smart you can get really solid in broodwar in a year or two, so that doesnt mean much. Those are just a couple people, but the actual state of the game isnt good. It hasnt had cross generational appeal. Maybe, but the thing is that you have to keep in mind that sign-ups for qualifiers have topped what was it, 700? That's not to say that all these players are ultra gosu, but I'm sure there will be 24 of them that will be good enough to give us some interesting games even with the expros leaving. Also, I doubt we'll see all the current expros drop at once. Even if they leave for the army, they'll have to eventually earn some income while probably finding a job so we'll likely see some of the play in quals as a fun side thing, kinda like Hiya stopped streaming BW but then qualified for ASL4 and lost 0-2 in his group. Having said that, depending on the game quality and who we lose, there is a chance that BW will lose a lot of support, especially from the hardcore fans who are fans of the expros. From that perspective, it might be really bad T.T Anyways, we can't do much. We'll just have to watch things as they proceed and hope for the best. Edit: Cross generational appeal would be difficult. When people are told about Starcraft, their first thought is that it's really hard, not that it's extremely rewarding and has a great UMS scene. Younger people are also more interested in what's on TV or mobas like LoL or Dota. Can't do much to change that unfortunately. | ||
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angrypofke
Lithuania174 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 07 2018 13:01 BigFan wrote: I dont think its just a matter of them wanting easier games in that simple sense, I think broodwar has really and honestly changed over the years. If you came into the game in 2002 and tried out melee, the game was about rushing/counter rushing, but had macro elements. Thats viscerally interesting to someone who hasnt really explored the game yet, but today, even at very low levels the game is centered around defensive macro. Its just not as interesting an experience for new comers.Maybe, but the thing is that you have to keep in mind that sign-ups for qualifiers have topped what was it, 700? That's not to say that all these players are ultra gosu, but I'm sure there will be 24 of them that will be good enough to give us some interesting games even with the expros leaving. Also, I doubt we'll see all the current expros drop at once. Even if they leave for the army, they'll have to eventually earn some income while probably finding a job so we'll likely see some of the play in quals as a fun side thing, kinda like Hiya stopped streaming BW but then qualified for ASL4 and lost 0-2 in his group. Having said that, depending on the game quality and who we lose, there is a chance that BW will lose a lot of support, especially from the hardcore fans who are fans of the expros. From that perspective, it might be really bad T.T Anyways, we can't do much. We'll just have to watch things as they proceed and hope for the best. Edit: Cross generational appeal would be difficult. When people are told about Starcraft, their first thought is that it's really hard, not that it's extremely rewarding and has a great UMS scene. Younger people are also more interested in what's on TV or mobas like LoL or Dota. Can't do much to change that unfortunately. | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
I really hope we get a few more decent years out of him. | ||
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Yanokabo
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
On November 09 2018 06:19 Yanokabo wrote: I really want Bisu back too. I bet he’s sipping pina coladas ona beach in Australia. The 🐝-suit back in action? That would be cool. Only thing that would be better (in my opinion) is if Jaedong came back and we could see some more classic Flash-JD battles. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On November 09 2018 06:17 oxKnu wrote: When is Bisu finishing up his service? It's been a year and a half right? I really hope we get a few more decent years out of him. Serving from 5th Dec 2017 to 4th Sep 2019 according to this thread. | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
On November 10 2018 01:27 Xxio wrote: Serving from 5th Dec 2017 to 4th Sep 2019 according to this thread. Thanks for the info. I remember somewhere reading that it said the period is not 2-year fixed for all people. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8532 Posts
Although I can't understand a single word, I really enjoy watching this !! | ||
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
On November 11 2018 23:56 prosatan wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSK2_XCO--I Although I can't understand a single word, I really enjoy watching this !! I like watching the Korean streams / commentators even though I can't understand anything either. I love the enthusiasm, but all I hear is "simida" "neh" and "pectory". I guess you can say I speak 3 words of Korean 😂 | ||
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cremice
3 Posts
Are there other pros who have done the same or tried to do the same? | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 15 2018 00:37 cremice wrote: he was originally a bw player, and most of the top pros currently were at least temporarily playing sc2. The reason they did that was essentially kespa/blizzard pressure, and the reason they came back was, A: Some of them preferred bw to sc2, B, sc2's scene isnt doing as well as bw's in korea and C, some of them are just better suited to bw than sc2. I dont follow the sc2 scene but IIRC fantasy is only an "ok" player, but in bw he was top tier, for example. Does anyone know why Rain transitioned from SC2 to BW? Are there other pros who have done the same or tried to do the same? | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On November 11 2018 23:56 prosatan wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSK2_XCO--I Although I can't understand a single word, I really enjoy watching this !! lol, Flash wearing a T-shirt with Russian text "Полный огонь". It means sth like "open fire from all weapons" | ||
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