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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
May 14 2017 15:34 GMT
#3661
On May 14 2017 23:08 Symeon wrote:
Guys, I have been watching ASL and I have a question. Are the matches played on speed that is actually a bit faster than fastest? I have noticed units' move speed and they all do look faster. And I know that it is possible to increase the game speed to be faster than fastest using UMS maps (e.g., all those 2x and 3x fastest maps).


Probably all the pros multitasking and godly apm makes the pace of the game feel faster thus the units themselves, but no, all games are played on fastest setting
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44311 Posts
May 14 2017 16:37 GMT
#3662
I'm not really up to date with BW meta(like ever) but i really enjoy watching pros. A question though like is lategame tvz really switch from bio to mech ? I've watched old bw pro vods and it wasn't like that before. Why ?
this is a quote
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 14 2017 16:50 GMT
#3663
On May 15 2017 01:37 goody153 wrote:
I'm not really up to date with BW meta(like ever) but i really enjoy watching pros. A question though like is lategame tvz really switch from bio to mech ? I've watched old bw pro vods and it wasn't like that before. Why ?

yes, late game TvZ is (mostly) these days 5 rax +1 into mech. Reason is that zerg player are really amazing at using defilers late game and older styles like SK Terran is intensive and has issues with that etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44311 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-14 17:18:04
May 14 2017 17:13 GMT
#3664
On May 15 2017 01:50 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 01:37 goody153 wrote:
I'm not really up to date with BW meta(like ever) but i really enjoy watching pros. A question though like is lategame tvz really switch from bio to mech ? I've watched old bw pro vods and it wasn't like that before. Why ?

yes, late game TvZ is (mostly) these days 5 rax +1 into mech. Reason is that zerg player are really amazing at using defilers late game and older styles like SK Terran is intensive and has issues with that etc...

oh thanks ! i just really liked the old bio+tank terran lategame since tvp is basically mechvP that i was surprised when i saw most terran lategames ending up as mass mechs and zero bio.
this is a quote
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-14 18:13:23
May 14 2017 18:11 GMT
#3665
On May 15 2017 01:37 goody153 wrote:
I'm not really up to date with BW meta(like ever) but i really enjoy watching pros. A question though like is lategame tvz really switch from bio to mech ? I've watched old bw pro vods and it wasn't like that before. Why ?

I think Fantasy vs Zero on neo moon glaive in early 2010 was the first or if not one of the first games that showed the modern bio to mech transition or late mechanic as its more known now. After that more and more terrans began to use it and now its pretty much the standard strategy in tvz.

Imo late mechanic was a kind of natural transition from Flash's tank heavy late game strategy (most famous example is Flash vs Calm on fighting spirit). Zergs were getting better and better with late game defilers + ultras that terrans were experimenting with ways to beat zerg late game. Flash began to use tanks more lategame instead of pure sk terran then Fantasy (and also Sea) came along showing the effectiveness of late mechanic and pretty much every terran after began using it. iirc Flash was actually pretty slow in using it compared to other terrans back then.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44311 Posts
May 14 2017 19:33 GMT
#3666
On May 15 2017 03:11 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 01:37 goody153 wrote:
I'm not really up to date with BW meta(like ever) but i really enjoy watching pros. A question though like is lategame tvz really switch from bio to mech ? I've watched old bw pro vods and it wasn't like that before. Why ?

I think Fantasy vs Zero on neo moon glaive in early 2010 was the first or if not one of the first games that showed the modern bio to mech transition or late mechanic as its more known now. After that more and more terrans began to use it and now its pretty much the standard strategy in tvz.

Imo late mechanic was a kind of natural transition from Flash's tank heavy late game strategy (most famous example is Flash vs Calm on fighting spirit). Zergs were getting better and better with late game defilers + ultras that terrans were experimenting with ways to beat zerg late game. Flash began to use tanks more lategame instead of pure sk terran then Fantasy (and also Sea) came along showing the effectiveness of late mechanic and pretty much every terran after began using it. iirc Flash was actually pretty slow in using it compared to other terrans back then.

i see i see thanks
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19264 Posts
May 14 2017 20:43 GMT
#3667
Flash still does sk. He did it in asl a few weeks ago against someone
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 14 2017 20:47 GMT
#3668
On May 15 2017 05:43 tofucake wrote:
Flash still does sk. He did it in asl a few weeks ago against someone

probably thinking against HyuN on Andromeda.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19264 Posts
May 14 2017 21:09 GMT
#3669
yeah I think so
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RaccyG
Profile Joined May 2017
14 Posts
May 14 2017 21:14 GMT
#3670
I have got two quick questions about SC:R that I didn't find the answers to but maybe one of you guys can answer this

First off, is SC:R going to be played via the Bnet 2.0 launcher like the more recent Blizzard titles (SC2, Hearhstone, etc.)? And if yes, what will happen to LAN play?

From what I understand BW's LAN support is essential for tournament play and also lays the foundation for how ICCup works. Also, it enables people to pirate the game, hence why Blizzard removed LAN support in their modern games as far as I know. Likely they will also take this route with SC:R and I wonder what will become of the community-run servers and how many people would be willing to trade in gameplay at LAN latency for high-definition textures.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-14 21:27:07
May 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#3671
On May 15 2017 06:14 RaccyG wrote:
I have got two quick questions about SC:R that I didn't find the answers to but maybe one of you guys can answer this

First off, is SC:R going to be played via the Bnet 2.0 launcher like the more recent Blizzard titles (SC2, Hearhstone, etc.)? And if yes, what will happen to LAN play?

From what I understand BW's LAN support is essential for tournament play and also lays the foundation for how ICCup works. Also, it enables people to pirate the game, hence why Blizzard removed LAN support in their modern games as far as I know. Likely they will also take this route with SC:R and I wonder what will become of the community-run servers and how many people would be willing to trade in gameplay at LAN latency for high-definition textures.

There is datamined assets that suggests it will be on Blizzard app and I believe there's an interview saying that B.net 2.0 accounts can be used. LAN was promised in the announcement trailer.


"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
May 15 2017 05:04 GMT
#3672
On May 15 2017 05:47 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 05:43 tofucake wrote:
Flash still does sk. He did it in asl a few weeks ago against someone

probably thinking against HyuN on Andromeda.

In that case its more map specific. I think every tvz so far I've saw on Andromeda besides Ssak vs Jaedong was bio instead of late mechanic. I haven't seen enough games of terrans using late mechanic on Andromeda so far to really tell why they don't go late mech on it though.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
May 15 2017 05:35 GMT
#3673
They dont go mech because of two island expansions.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10102 Posts
May 15 2017 08:12 GMT
#3674
is there a reason why people spam their ladder ranks on fish 1.16? its not like they actually play ladder games, all they do is host melee games afterwards..
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
RaccyG
Profile Joined May 2017
14 Posts
May 20 2017 23:12 GMT
#3675
What's the best way to find a specific replay that one is looking for? I used to like BWChart for this but it doesn't work with replays played on 1.18 saying the replays are corrupted. So I wonder, is there an alternative to loading up and checking every replay manually?
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 21 2017 01:37 GMT
#3676
On May 15 2017 17:12 TT1 wrote:
is there a reason why people spam their ladder ranks on fish 1.16? its not like they actually play ladder games, all they do is host melee games afterwards..


Because they want to play the game, but don't want to play on 1.18?


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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10102 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-21 02:18:43
May 21 2017 02:06 GMT
#3677
On May 21 2017 10:37 B-royal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 17:12 TT1 wrote:
is there a reason why people spam their ladder ranks on fish 1.16? its not like they actually play ladder games, all they do is host melee games afterwards..


Because they want to play the game, but don't want to play on 1.18?




Doesnt make much sense to me when i see Bisu spamming for D rank games on Fish, he's never gonna lose any of those games and he's not getting any ladder pts. I know he wants to play games on 1.16 but why not play against good players (almost every korean still uses 1.16) instead of playing low lvl D rank amateurs?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
May 21 2017 02:14 GMT
#3678
Removing LAN for Broodwar, only for Broodwar though is definitely a dealbreaker for a lot of people. Unless of course internet access is perfect globally and is as reliable as air TV signals
https://cinesnipe.com
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 21 2017 02:18 GMT
#3679
LAN wasn't and isn't going to be removed for broodwar, so no reason to worry about that.
When I think of something else, something will go here
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
June 07 2017 14:12 GMT
#3680
wtf last, light, gorush, iris and effort are streaming on twitch right now :o
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