• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:25
CEST 21:25
KST 04:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster11Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation HSC 27 players & groups Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Jumy Talks: Dedication to SC2 in 2025, & more... Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 - 27th July 2025 $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1 SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series EWC 2025 Online Qualifiers (May 28-June 1, June 21-22)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Preserving Battlereports.com ASL20 Preliminary Maps Where is effort ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Social coupon sites UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Pro Gamers Cope with Str…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1373 users

BW General Discussion - Page 178

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 176 177 178 179 180 482 Next
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
April 29 2017 09:42 GMT
#3541
I feel so sad for guemchi

And bisudagger I enjoyed the podcast, you are a very knowledgeable man my friend
www.broodwarmaps.net
K.H.J
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
Korea (South)769 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-29 14:49:05
April 29 2017 14:47 GMT
#3542
Yesterday in korea, there was special BW match.

Two members of the national assembly play BW for promotion of theprsident election.

I want to upload images, but it fails again. TT

If you dont know what's happening, then look for 3527 in this thread.


http://m.news.naver.com/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=154&oid=025&aid=0002711195
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
April 29 2017 16:38 GMT
#3543
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
April 29 2017 16:49 GMT
#3544
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?


Flash vs Jaedong BO5
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
April 29 2017 19:04 GMT
#3545
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?

you recovered well from your climbing injury?
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-29 22:41:53
April 29 2017 22:18 GMT
#3546
On April 30 2017 04:04 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?

you recovered well from your climbing injury?

Haha. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was all fine.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
April 29 2017 22:36 GMT
#3547
On April 30 2017 07:18 kerpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 04:04 Epoxide wrote:
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?

you recovered well from your climbing injury?

Haha. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was all fine.

Glad to hear
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
April 29 2017 22:42 GMT
#3548
On April 30 2017 07:36 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 07:18 kerpal wrote:
On April 30 2017 04:04 Epoxide wrote:
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?

you recovered well from your climbing injury?

Haha. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was all fine.

Glad to hear

How is your drying rack?
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
April 29 2017 22:50 GMT
#3549
On April 30 2017 07:42 kerpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 07:36 Epoxide wrote:
On April 30 2017 07:18 kerpal wrote:
On April 30 2017 04:04 Epoxide wrote:
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?

you recovered well from your climbing injury?

Haha. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was all fine.

Glad to hear

How is your drying rack?

tossed
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1919 Posts
April 30 2017 18:56 GMT
#3550
Calendaraka Foxhan
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
April 30 2017 19:59 GMT
#3551
On May 01 2017 03:56 HaN- wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhqkud5BgQ


Interesting video. There is much to be said about this topic.
www.broodwarmaps.net
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10000 Posts
April 30 2017 20:18 GMT
#3552
are we not counting mines as detectors as well? technically terran has 4 detectors.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
April 30 2017 20:24 GMT
#3553
On April 30 2017 01:49 duke91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?


Flash vs Jaedong BO5

Just watched that. Wow that was intense. Super good games.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
April 30 2017 20:29 GMT
#3554
On May 01 2017 05:24 kerpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2017 01:49 duke91 wrote:
On April 30 2017 01:38 kerpal wrote:
i just played my first two broodwar games in forever.. I feel so alive!

checked TL for the first time in about a year..

1.18 is a thing?
Turns out sonic was committing fraud that whole time?

What else did I miss!?!?


Flash vs Jaedong BO5

Just watched that. Wow that was intense. Super good games.

Also we had a sponsored team league!

+ Show Spoiler +


You should definitely check out the last match Sick match
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
NasKe_
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil570 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 22:07:28
April 30 2017 22:06 GMT
#3555
Hey guys, quick question.
If I am playing with Bnet, am I hosting the game like ICCUP? I ask because there is not South American server yet, so I am not sure if I am going to lag players if I create the game.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 30 2017 22:35 GMT
#3556
On May 01 2017 03:56 HaN- wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhqkud5BgQ

That's really interesting to me, i doubt anything will be done about this though.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
mattias
Profile Joined March 2017
8 Posts
April 30 2017 23:05 GMT
#3557
Well, broodwar remastered is made for korean market, it's for them not for us, so they should dictate "how they want it", but i think messing with balance in something like broodwar will just make game unfun. Balancing around highest level of play is a mistake, because doing so you are forcing 50/50 winratio even if for ex. A player is like prodigy and just overall better than player B, it's logical that he will win most of the time, and you force 50/50 and then you have ZPcraft situation like in sc2 when T is underpresented in europe because only few koreans can play it.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-01 00:17:27
May 01 2017 00:16 GMT
#3558
T is already underrepresented with foreign players. You are also not just balancing for two players. There are, however years of statistics and other evidence that Terran has a bit of an edge over the other races. This problem has not just jumped out from hiding behind a tree and said BOOH! This discussion has been looming for years now.
However, the problem is to actually find a change that makes sense. You cannot just make a list of all the strengths in a race's favor and call them imbalances. Yes, Terran has the most means of detection, however, their standard means of mobile detection, Science Vessels, are also by far the most expansive and highest tech ones and with more expensive scans or less dirt cheap missile turrets, Terran would probably have some real trouble against lots of early game shenanigans (not to speak of late game TvP).
Yes, tanks are strong, scale steeply and get great critical mass bonus, but are also slow and costly to produce in the first place.
SCVs with maybe 50Hp and 1 armour, or maybe just 45HP, could work. However, anything under 50HP/1armour would make them much more vulnerable to scarabs (one shot kills in 50% splash radius) and above that there is basically no difference in performance against anything in practice. Small changes, potentially huge effects is the problem in a game that revolves a lot around damage thresholds.
Now the other thing SCVs have going for them is their 1/3 lower attack cooldown, compared to Drones and Probes. But changing that would just invalidate most of Terran's early game cheese and couter-cheese strats without changing anything about Terran's late game strength.
Maybe buffing Queens (cheaper broodling? Energy upgrade increases initial energy? Give them [something like] consume?) and Scouts (maybe 10 damage, cheaper Fleet Beacon upgrades and maybe make the vision upgrade also add +1/+2 to attack range...) is the solution, after all... Or some more HP for guardians, so they trade better against Goliaths? I don't know, but neither of those changes would be as potentially devastating as any nerves that could be made to Terran directly, I think.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
May 01 2017 00:51 GMT
#3559
to me it always felt like mech upgrades were too good, everything else seems to be fine
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1593 Posts
May 01 2017 00:59 GMT
#3560
Terran isn't rigged. Flash and Light are just too damn good.
Prev 1 176 177 178 179 180 482 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
16:30
Mid Season Playoffs
MindelVK vs NicoractLIVE!
Krystianer vs Mixu
YoungYakov vs LunaSea
ShoWTimE vs GgMaChine
Percival vs NightPhoenix
davetesta122
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 217
ProTech88
BRAT_OK 84
MindelVK 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19862
firebathero 179
Dewaltoss 138
Shinee 47
Aegong 42
Rock 34
zelot 29
HiyA 9
Movie 9
Stormgate
RushiSC90
NightEnD13
Dota 2
capcasts55
League of Legends
Dendi1556
Counter-Strike
fl0m1867
summit1g1094
pashabiceps733
flusha415
byalli213
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu395
Other Games
Grubby2597
FrodaN1661
Beastyqt760
RotterdaM323
markeloff121
Trikslyr88
Mew2King83
QueenE79
ZombieGrub56
trigger5
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 37
• LUISG 29
• Adnapsc2 27
• maralekos20
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 23
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV527
League of Legends
• Jankos3340
• TFBlade1694
Other Games
• imaqtpie1241
• Scarra100
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 35m
The PondCast
14h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
HomeStory Cup
1d 15h
HomeStory Cup
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs ByuN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV European League
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.