EPTNada appears in a German newspaper. - Page 3
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polarwolf
924 Posts
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superjoppe
Sweden3685 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:33 polarwolf wrote: In the article is the sentence: "In the beginning my parents were against the game, but now they are my greatest supporters", I hope this is not unpolite but were NaDa's parents not killed in a car accident or at least his father? Heard rumors about this and about that that was the reason for his slump? as far as i remember, his dad died in a car crash last summer. and yep, i wouldnt play my best right after that if it happened to me | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28703 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
I doubt any business executive, no matter how hard he works and how good he becomes, will ever be rewarded with a fanclub of hundreds of thousands of young people and tv appearances every week. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
you lack a lot of logic. | ||
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EtErNaLAeOn
Germany214 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:49 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: its all about how marketable your profession is. the money for a person's income has to come from somewhere. NBA stars have a much bigger following in the US than progamers do in korea. fans pay tons of money to watch NBA games. the NBA brings in a LOT of money, which makes it possible for its athletes to get paid so well. as far as i understand, watching progaming live is free, and it brings in far less money, so its participants get paid less. the money has to come from somewhere, being the best in the world at what you do doesn't automatically qualify you for millions of dollars a year. im sure the world's best minesweeper player doesn't make that much, but he must've put in a lot of effort to get to his skill level. you lack a lot of logic. yeah totally right. Seems Imai_Eriko doesnt know the absolut basics of economics,yet he wants to take over the buisness of his father - rofl.Its the market that determines the prices and wages.You know the work in chinese factorys 12hours/day,barely freetime and no holidays is a lot harder than "progaming"?They earn 150$ per month and u say 200k $ for playing a fucking computer game isnt much. LOL | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:49 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: its all about how marketable your profession is. the money for a person's income has to come from somewhere. NBA stars have a much bigger following in the US than progamers do in korea. fans pay tons of money to watch NBA games. the NBA brings in a LOT of money, which makes it possible for its athletes to get paid so well. as far as i understand, watching progaming live is free, and it brings in far less money, so its participants get paid less. the money has to come from somewhere, being the best in the world at what you do doesn't automatically qualify you for millions of dollars a year. im sure the world's best minesweeper player doesn't make that much, but he must've put in a lot of effort to get to his skill level. you lack a lot of logic. keep in mind $200,000 in korea is substantially more than $200,000 here, iirc. | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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EtErNaLAeOn
Germany214 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
the downside is that after he retires, he won't have much to fall back on, but he knows this and made the choice for himself. for now, how can you say he's not getting a good deal? | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
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CoL_Drake
Germany455 Posts
200.000 nice how much get boxe ? i read 780,000$ for 3 years but boxer is another league xD not with skill with famous xD | ||
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JustGo
Korea (South)22 Posts
Progamers don't get money from only salaries.. they get money for winning MSL, OSL etc (there are so many other leauges that aren't broadcasted on TV) oh yea they get money everytime they play on TV.. When they pass Dual tournament (or Survival League) and go to major league like MSL and OSL, they get more money too.. When they go quater final, semifinal, final, they all get more and more money.. and they also get some money for advertising... and I heard from one person in P&C that.. NaDa actually gets 400k$ annually.. and Boxer get like 600k.. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:36 Liquid`Drone wrote: $200000 is as much as any person in the world actually deserves for the job he does anyway. seems like a good sum to me, I'd be very very happy if the salaries of football players and other world famous athletes (and other celebs) dropped to the same amount. =] Hm, drone, the problem with this is how very short pro-sport careers generally are. If you invest 10 years into professional sport X you will likely not have that many options once you're done, so if you want it to be a viable option, the salary should be relatively high (although, 200 000$ a year is very nice ;o). | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:05 thedeadhaji wrote: the average career lifespan of say, an NBA player, or NFL player, is 10 years as well. And they again have no education to fall back on. However this is a CHOICE that these people have made, that this is what they want to do. They know that their career lifespan is roughly 10 years, and that they wont be progaming for 30 years. BTW how is working 10 hours a day nonstop, no sleep, anything really out of the ordinary? a regular worker in a corporation works 8 hours a day. A doctor in ER? Lawyer? Software engineer? Even more than that. There was an artice on CNN just yesterday how video game programmers are working 12 hours a day nonstop for months upon months, and those people, are being pad less than Nada. Most Doctors? less than nada, in fact. Average Lawyer? Less than nada. 90% of SE's? Less than nada. Nurses? Teachers? Secretaries? Less than nada. The most similar situation to progaming i can come up with, is that of those "action sports" ie skateboarding, bmx'ing, etc. Those guys' careers are not that long, entail countless years honing their craft, experience physical danger in thier pursuit, only the very top make any sort of money at all (plus endorsements), and after thier career lifespan is done, they have nothing to fall back on. I dont see anyone saying "oh noes! poor skateboarders. let's pay then $1,000,000 intead b/c they have such a miserable life" All we're goign to get out of this sort of discussion is, progaming can be a pretty glamarous (on the outside) lifestyle, that pays well for a short period of time, and doesnt lead to that many career paths afterwards (coaching, internet cafe, or commentating). But it's their choice, and they all know what they are getting into. Besides, there is no "good" job that you can get, that pays well, that does not entail massive amounts of work both in obtaining and maintaing possession of. (other than the inheritance of family owned corporations) bottom line: their choice, they know the ins and outs, not our problem that their getting into it. IN the end, do they ENJOY what they are doing? and the answer most likely is YES. Lets assume you become an Accountant instead of a progamer and you work for a pretty good company, and someone asks you what yo do for a living you could even answer 'I'm an Accountant just like the other few fukn million.' An outlier isn’t necessarily a negative thing; anything profession that would be out of the ordinary does not mean it would be ghastly. Just imagine living in other country playing a game you have a passion for, having a fan club, experiencing a new culture AND getting paid the do so. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On July 22 2006 10:46 Imai_Eriko wrote: To WhatisProtoss: ok cool. thats ur opinion. if ure satisfied with that. if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and not much of social life and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year. seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped. well again, its relative. i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise. well, whatever makes u happy. fine by me. really. dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years. so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy. go ahead. really. im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat.. just telling u my take on this. You're an idiot. If you're trying to convince me of something, then try doing it with some better logic, instead of that: "Oh, sure. You think THAT'S a good way to live? Yeah.. well... It's not. I'm not trying to shove that down your throat or anything, but you're wrong." Good logic, bozo. Okay, to answer your ridiculous comment. 1) No decent education. The thing is, Korean students get better education than kids in the US. That being besides the point, these progamers are called "athletes" in Korea. And you could say the same thing about any athlete in any country. They all put in ridiculous amounts of time and efforts into what they do. You think any American sports athlete is well educated? Most likely less than a Korean progamer. 2) Salary. Okay. Progamer (10 years) x ($200,000) = $2 Million An Average Person: Comfortable Salary for family and kids: $60,000 Years of work: ~30 years ($60,000) x (30 years) = $1.8 Million Okay, not only does a progamer make a lifetime salary of MORE than an average comfortable worker.... Add a fanbase of hundreds of thousands of people, including extra income, such as surpluses for winning a tournament, endorsements from clothing companies, TV advertisements, TV special games. So that could easily double the amount of money earned. 3) No fallback after career ends. There are a lot of things that could happen. They could coach teams, or become broadcasters on TV for Starcraft. Plus, once they're over, they're still young, still in their 20's. They could easily go back to school, (with their HUGE incomes) and easily choose another profession if Starcraft doesn't seem fit for them later on. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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Imai_Eriko
Singapore57 Posts
You don\'t see me saying \"OMFG youre an idiot. because you dont agree with me. or you dont see what i see.\" please voice yourself with maturity. and not let your heart rule your head like girls. Eternaleon: you might as well compare garbage collectors to nba stars. dont say youre comparing things in my perspective. you do not understand the laws of supply and demand. how many people have progaming talents. and how many people are able to work in factories? Your_Killer: you have a good point i missed out. yeah its true its about how marketable your job is. maybe the progamers arent as lucky to have a job as markatable as football stars and what not. but i personally feel that the input output ratio isnt justified. needless to mention minesweeper players then. WhatisProtoss: hahaha getting so conclusive huh "not trying to shove it down your throat but youre wrong" i didnt mean that if you read too much into what im saying or if my tone made u think otherwise. my bad. "youre an idiot" youre getting all worked up just because someone has a differing viewpoint or doesnt see sometthing thats so clearly obvious? tsk tsk chill man this should be really clear but i dont see why u dont see this yeah u talk about american athletes not being well educated. but you look at the amount of money they earn compared to korean progamers. see any difference? youve stated yourself that both careers require an insane amount of effort. ok. thats true. compare the payoff. you actually made your own argument crumble. oh and the 3rd part. Yeah they could coach teams, become broadcasters on TV and what not. yes, but definitely not as much. and go back to school and start from scatch? you would argue that they spend their schooling days earning lots of money and spend their supposed working days going back to school. i accept that. only by, keeping in mind that 200 thousand dollars is an amount i could live with comfortably | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Here's why I hate your tone: ok cool. thats ur opinion. if ure satisfied with that. i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise. well, whatever makes u happy. fine by me. really. go ahead. really. im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat.. You say that you're being civil while we're being "girls" and cursing you out? You're putting our arguments down with, "Sure.. go ahead. Yep. Go ahead. That's YOUR opinion." And your response to what I wrote was really weak. You didn't say anything at ALL! Except to say that I have "crumbled" my own argument by mentioning the payoff. Here's the thing: #1: Sports athletes have to deal with injury, bad performance and poor sponsorship. #2: Progamers have to deal with bad performance and poor sponsorship. However, Progamers don't have to deal with injuries, while sports athletes have to be careful of career-ending injuries which could happen at any point in time, whether it is during practice or games. | ||
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Imai_Eriko
Singapore57 Posts
im not putting it down. im saying you DEFINITELY can think what you want. and about the girls part i didnt say you guys ARE like girls lol i said dont behave LIKE them. by letting ur heart take over ur head. anyway please dont pick on stupid little shit like that anyway back to the topic: | ||
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