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Here is a short article on FiFo about a column on the beloved Nada that made an appearance on Handelsblatt, a German commercial newspaper:
Lee Yun Yeol (Nada),the mascot and the ace card of Pantech EX has recently received attention in a foreign domain.
The German newspaper 'Handelsblatt' shed light on the marketting programme of the Pantech enterprise and its involvement on the Korean e-sports scene, through an interview with Lee Yun Yeol and his progaming team Pantech EX.
The article, entitled "Fast Hand Conquers the Cyberworld" introduced Lee Yun Yeol as "a 21 year old gamer that reaps profit higher than that of an executive" and used a photograph of Lee Yun Yeol wearing a Pantech logo uniform as the front page of their "Europe & International" segment.
In the first line, Handelsblatt described that "The world of Lee Yeun Yeol takes place in his monitor in front of him. The name of this world is called "StarCraft" and this is his lifestyle..." and proceeded to explain how he had achieved his status as a progamer, adding that "he still has a fresh look unlike any other cultural Star" talking of his humility.
Continuing on they said that "Computer games have long since become a part of sport in Korea, dubbed 'e-Sports'" and that "There are 3 channels dealing with the broadcast of games, and 11 progaming teams are all involved with big industries, and through the aid of the gaming-boom the gaming industry is attempting to break out internationally."
Also adding that "Lee Yun Yeol's fan club consist of around 170,000 members" and that "This player's annual earnings are 200 million won and this is a substantial sum, equalling that of a respected business."
-Translated from FiFo-
http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ISS&idx=12927
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ya i saw this and was very interested. thx for translating!
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Awesome news for progaming and sc. It means its becoming more known with the teams all getting new sponsors, shinhan sponsoring like 3 starleagues. Really nice.
Oh Mr. Fireblast님 is a newsposter.
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yeah thanks for the translation
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DAmn 20k not so bad :/ It reminds me of how awesome it would be if progaming really spread around the globe and not just some niche in korea 
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How much is 2 million won? According to google it's appr 2800 AU$
That seems very shitty for an annual salary =\???
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it's not 2 million won.... that's approx 2000$ usd, i'm sure he makes a lot more than that
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Oh never mind in FiFo it says 200 million not 2 million =P
Typo Fireblast?
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On July 20 2006 07:06 Abang_Zealot wrote:
How much is 2 million won? According to google it's appr 2800 AU$
That seems very shitty for an annual salary =\???
lol I checked it out
1,000,000.00 KRW
South Korea Won = 1,052.966 USD
United States Dollars
1 KRW = 0.00105297 USD 1 USD = 949.698 KRW
edit:it's 200 Million Won
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is there a link to the german newspaper?
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On July 20 2006 07:09 Abang_Zealot wrote:
Oh never mind in FiFo it says 200 million not 2 million =P
Typo Fireblast?
ah yeah sorry ill edit it now
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The article : Click here
Thats the article in *.pdf file :
click here
You will probably need to Log-in to download the *.pdf file and see the article.
Account : TeamLiquid
pw : clublife
edit: stupid links 
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Nice translation Ty Fireblast!
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On July 20 2006 07:39 HiTexas wrote:The article : Click hereThats the article in *.pdf file : click herethanks You will probably need to Log-in to download the *.pdf file and see the article. Account : TeamLiquid pw : clublife
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this is so crazy!
Thanks for reporting it
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Considering youre the best in the WORLD at what you do.
That amount is nothing short of pathetic.
Look at the worlds most distinguished businessmen, doctors, lawyers, sportsmen and you'll think of it to be true.
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Nada's not the best in the world, nor is he the one that makes the most money. And are you seriously comparing business men and progamers? What the hell?
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nada + oov I think are the progamers who has won the most titels
and that should count as atleast one of the best
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nice!
i reckon nada would lot alot better if he got a haircut 
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Thanks a bunch for translation.
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with his first prize money , he bought fruit for his parent
Realy Nice !
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 22 2006 08:28 Dreamer] wrote:
nada + oov I think are the progamers who has won the most titels
and that should count as atleast one of the best
No, nada and boxer are.
About a year ago (or more perhaps) there was a life-time ranking posted, and boxer and nada were within like, 100 points of eachother (nada being first).
Although since then, boxer has done way, way better than nada so they're probably equal now.
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arent korean progamers the best in the world?
its like everyone else who plays starcraft compared to the koreans
same analogy would be how everyone else in the world who plays basketball with the NBA superstars
and no
all im saying is that it takes as much effort and talent to suceed in one field as the next
and if ure the best in the world at what you do
isnt that amount really pathetic?
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On July 22 2006 09:30 Imai_Eriko wrote:
arent korean progamers the best in the world?
its like everyone else who plays starcraft compared to the koreans
same analogy would be how everyone else in the world who plays basketball with the NBA superstars
and no
all im saying is that it takes as much effort and talent to suceed in one field as the next
and if ure the best in the world at what you do
isnt that amount really pathetic?
They are playing computer games dumbass.
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re read my post
and drill every single word into your thick skull
because apparently the only dumbass is you.
that amount of effort for that amount of money
justified?
stupid fuck.
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but don't you think this means a growth of popularity or anything like that. articles about progaming have been on almost any german newspaper or small tv show but it usually gets treated similarily to the finnish cellphone-throwing-worldcup or their air-guitar-contests.
about three or four years ago there was a big article in the FTD (financial times germany) featuring nazgul iirc.
nice read anyway.
the coolest thing is that FiFo picked that up. ^^
€: just read it. one thing will be interesting for FA and the other martial arts fans: nada's greatest idol outside the gaming world is the K1 fighter emelianenko fedor because "although he is the best in his sport he still trains more than others and also cares well for his family".
they bring up mostly facts that all of us know but they also point out that he isn't really interested in religion or politics (dunno why they had to say that; they probably don't even know) and what his plans for the future are (maybe opening a restaurant at 30).
one more interesting (good) thing): he wants to put so much effort into the game that his name will be mentioned in future schoolbooks because of how much he helped the sport.
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On July 20 2006 07:06 QuietIdiot wrote:DAmn 20k not so bad :/ It reminds me of how awesome it would be if progaming really spread around the globe and not just some niche in korea
It's actually $200K.
On July 22 2006 09:39 Imai_Eriko wrote:
re read my post
and drill every single word into your thick skull
because apparently the only dumbass is you.
that amount of effort for that amount of money
justified?
stupid fuck.
Hi 바보~! The only idiot is you. I'd say, for playing computer games, earning an executive's salary is FUCKING good!!!
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if this game was popular in the usa, progamers could have much money than in korea
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On July 22 2006 09:39 Imai_Eriko wrote:
re read my post
and drill every single word into your thick skull
because apparently the only dumbass is you.
that amount of effort for that amount of money
justified?
stupid fuck. "That amount of money"?
$200,000/year
That's more than you'll ever make in a year.
There are people working their asses off in labor, getting minimum pay, and yet you think that's a small amount of money for playing games.
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QUOTE]"That amount of money"?
$200,000/year
That's more than you'll ever make in a year.
There are people working their asses off in labor, getting minimum pay, and yet you think that's a small amount of money for playing games.[/QUOTE]
with all due respect to them
yes theyre accomplished individuals
and yes ill never earn that amount of money in a year (well maybe im not too sure about this. but my dad definitely does and i intend to take over his business)
but when was it about me.
in case u dont realise what uve just said.
it has nothing to do with how much i earn or how much other labourers or whoever earn.
for the 2nd time i have to tell u to re read my post.
how is it justified?
compared to those people holding jobs that ive mentioned.
considering input output ratio
my mind is always open to a satisfactory answer,
if u can give one that is
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These guys are computer gamers for crying out lout...
You're trying to compare the best gamer to the best businessman in the world?
Wuddafux?
EDIT: I'm not talking about you; I'm just saying that 200K isn't a "pathetic" sum of money.
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On July 22 2006 10:07 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2006 07:06 QuietIdiot wrote:DAmn 20k not so bad :/ It reminds me of how awesome it would be if progaming really spread around the globe and not just some niche in korea It's actually $200K. Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 09:39 Imai_Eriko wrote:
re read my post
and drill every single word into your thick skull
because apparently the only dumbass is you.
that amount of effort for that amount of money
justified?
stupid fuck. Hi 바보~! The only idiot is you. I'd say, for playing computer games, earning an executive's salary is FUCKING good!!!
To WhatisProtoss:
ok cool.
thats ur opinion.
if ure satisfied with that.
if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and
not much of social life
and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year.
seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped.
well again, its relative.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years.
so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
just telling u my take on this.
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On July 22 2006 10:39 miNi wrote:
These guys are computer gamers for crying out lout...
You're trying to compare the best gamer to the best businessman in the world?
Wuddafux?
EDIT: I'm not talking about you; I'm just saying that 200K isn't a "pathetic" sum of money.
oh so u think 200K is a perfectly acceptable amount of money after reading the post above?
if you do, thats cool.
i rest my case.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 22 2006 08:09 Imai_Eriko wrote:
Considering youre the best in the WORLD at what you do.
That amount is nothing short of pathetic.
Look at the worlds most distinguished businessmen, doctors, lawyers, sportsmen and you'll think of it to be true.
The best highschool teacher in the world, who influecnes thousands of kids' lives for the better, gets paid less than Nada.
Think about that -___-;;
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 22 2006 10:46 Imai_Eriko wrote:
if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and
not much of social life
and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year.
seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped.
well again, its relative.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years.
so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
just telling u my take on this.
the average career lifespan of say, an NBA player, or NFL player, is 10 years as well. And they again have no education to fall back on.
However this is a CHOICE that these people have made, that this is what they want to do. They know that their career lifespan is roughly 10 years, and that they wont be progaming for 30 years.
BTW how is working 10 hours a day nonstop, no sleep, anything really out of the ordinary? a regular worker in a corporation works 8 hours a day. A doctor in ER? Lawyer? Software engineer? Even more than that. There was an artice on CNN just yesterday how video game programmers are working 12 hours a day nonstop for months upon months, and those people, are being pad less than Nada.
Most Doctors? less than nada, in fact. Average Lawyer? Less than nada. 90% of SE's? Less than nada. Nurses? Teachers? Secretaries? Less than nada.
The most similar situation to progaming i can come up with, is that of those "action sports"
ie skateboarding, bmx'ing, etc. Those guys' careers are not that long, entail countless years honing their craft, experience physical danger in thier pursuit, only the very top make any sort of money at all (plus endorsements), and after thier career lifespan is done, they have nothing to fall back on. I dont see anyone saying "oh noes! poor skateboarders. let's pay then $1,000,000 intead b/c they have such a miserable life"
All we're goign to get out of this sort of discussion is, progaming can be a pretty glamarous (on the outside) lifestyle, that pays well for a short period of time, and doesnt lead to that many career paths afterwards (coaching, internet cafe, or commentating). But it's their choice, and they all know what they are getting into.
Besides, there is no "good" job that you can get, that pays well, that does not entail massive amounts of work both in obtaining and maintaing possession of. (other than the inheritance of family owned corporations)
bottom line: their choice, they know the ins and outs, not our problem that their getting into it. IN the end, do they ENJOY what they are doing? and the answer most likely is YES.
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On July 22 2006 10:52 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 08:09 Imai_Eriko wrote:
Considering youre the best in the WORLD at what you do.
That amount is nothing short of pathetic.
Look at the worlds most distinguished businessmen, doctors, lawyers, sportsmen and you'll think of it to be true.
The best highschool teacher in the world, who influecnes thousands of kids' lives for the better, gets paid less than Nada. Think about that -___-;;
The first macro based Korean progamer, who singlehandedly turned starcraft into a macro-based game, gets what he deserves.
Think about THAT!
Haha.
Oh, btw, why do some of you think that this is a negative thing?
It is most definitely true that Nada may be making more money than a business man of a lesser known company. Anything past a CEO will probably make less than Nada. Oh, and not every businessman is a raging CEO whose salary is an eight figure.
You:
Either hate Nada becuse he beats the shit out of your favorite progamer
Thinks he doesn't deserve that kid of money
Just that ignorant
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I don't think swimmers get paid 200k dollars a year, by SALARIES I mean, of course not counting what they gain by advertising.
But that's their salaries too, maybe they get some with advertising. There is a brazilian who is world record holder of 50m (25m x2) butterfly, and I'm very sure he doesn't make 200k a year.
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Finally people understand.
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Think about this:
There are people out there making millions of dollars yelling yo yo yo yo yo im a gangsta my life is fo' rizzle over and over again, and people think it's music. maybe you should ridicule that kind of person instead.
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In the article is the sentence: "In the beginning my parents were against the game, but now they are my greatest supporters", I hope this is not unpolite but were NaDa's parents not killed in a car accident or at least his father? Heard rumors about this and about that that was the reason for his slump?
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On July 22 2006 11:33 polarwolf wrote:
In the article is the sentence: "In the beginning my parents were against the game, but now they are my greatest supporters", I hope this is not unpolite but were NaDa's parents not killed in a car accident or at least his father? Heard rumors about this and about that that was the reason for his slump?
as far as i remember, his dad died in a car crash last summer. and yep, i wouldnt play my best right after that if it happened to me
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Norway28703 Posts
$200000 is as much as any person in the world actually deserves for the job he does anyway. seems like a good sum to me, I'd be very very happy if the salaries of football players and other world famous athletes (and other celebs) dropped to the same amount. =]
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I guess Imai_Eriko wanted to say that they 'work' of a progamer is harder than that of a business executive so the money isn't worth as much (sounds weird but money is only worth something if you have the time and will to spend it). But actually businesss ppl usually work just as hard for decades until they finally reach a point on the ladder where they can enjoy their income (somewhen in their fifties). And what's more important: the fame is worth much more than the money.
I doubt any business executive, no matter how hard he works and how good he becomes, will ever be rewarded with a fanclub of hundreds of thousands of young people and tv appearances every week.
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its all about how marketable your profession is. the money for a person's income has to come from somewhere. NBA stars have a much bigger following in the US than progamers do in korea. fans pay tons of money to watch NBA games. the NBA brings in a LOT of money, which makes it possible for its athletes to get paid so well. as far as i understand, watching progaming live is free, and it brings in far less money, so its participants get paid less. the money has to come from somewhere, being the best in the world at what you do doesn't automatically qualify you for millions of dollars a year. im sure the world's best minesweeper player doesn't make that much, but he must've put in a lot of effort to get to his skill level.
you lack a lot of logic.
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On July 22 2006 11:49 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
its all about how marketable your profession is. the money for a person's income has to come from somewhere. NBA stars have a much bigger following in the US than progamers do in korea. fans pay tons of money to watch NBA games. the NBA brings in a LOT of money, which makes it possible for its athletes to get paid so well. as far as i understand, watching progaming live is free, and it brings in far less money, so its participants get paid less. the money has to come from somewhere, being the best in the world at what you do doesn't automatically qualify you for millions of dollars a year. im sure the world's best minesweeper player doesn't make that much, but he must've put in a lot of effort to get to his skill level.
you lack a lot of logic.
yeah totally right.
Seems Imai_Eriko doesnt know the absolut basics of economics,yet he wants to take over the buisness of his father - rofl.Its the market that determines the prices and wages.You know the work in chinese factorys 12hours/day,barely freetime and no holidays is a lot harder than "progaming"?They earn 150$ per month and u say 200k $ for playing a fucking computer game isnt much. LOL
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On July 22 2006 11:49 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
its all about how marketable your profession is. the money for a person's income has to come from somewhere. NBA stars have a much bigger following in the US than progamers do in korea. fans pay tons of money to watch NBA games. the NBA brings in a LOT of money, which makes it possible for its athletes to get paid so well. as far as i understand, watching progaming live is free, and it brings in far less money, so its participants get paid less. the money has to come from somewhere, being the best in the world at what you do doesn't automatically qualify you for millions of dollars a year. im sure the world's best minesweeper player doesn't make that much, but he must've put in a lot of effort to get to his skill level.
you lack a lot of logic.
keep in mind $200,000 in korea is substantially more than $200,000 here, iirc.
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good job for nada
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Washington, D.C9934 Posts
his salary from p+c doesn't include his international fame, fan members, girls that follow him around, starcraft addicts that watch his replays and analyze them together late night, the competitive and creative aspect of his profession, or even his prize money (although he hasn't won anything recently =P).
the downside is that after he retires, he won't have much to fall back on, but he knows this and made the choice for himself. for now, how can you say he's not getting a good deal?
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thanks for imformation now i better read it on german ^^
200.000 nice
how much get boxe ? i read 780,000$ for 3 years but boxer is another league xD not with skill with famous xD
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you guys are missing something...
Progamers don't get money from only salaries..
they get money for winning MSL, OSL etc (there are so many other leauges that aren't broadcasted on TV)
oh yea they get money everytime they play on TV..
When they pass Dual tournament (or Survival League) and go to major league like MSL and OSL, they get more money too..
When they go quater final, semifinal, final, they all get more and more money..
and they also get some money for advertising...
and I heard from one person in P&C that.. NaDa actually gets 400k$ annually..
and Boxer get like 600k..
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 22 2006 11:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
$200000 is as much as any person in the world actually deserves for the job he does anyway. seems like a good sum to me, I'd be very very happy if the salaries of football players and other world famous athletes (and other celebs) dropped to the same amount. =]
Hm, drone, the problem with this is how very short pro-sport careers generally are. If you invest 10 years into professional sport X you will likely not have that many options once you're done, so if you want it to be a viable option, the salary should be relatively high (although, 200 000$ a year is very nice ;o).
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On July 22 2006 11:05 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 10:46 Imai_Eriko wrote:
if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and
not much of social life
and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year.
seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped.
well again, its relative.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years.
so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
just telling u my take on this.
the average career lifespan of say, an NBA player, or NFL player, is 10 years as well. And they again have no education to fall back on. However this is a CHOICE that these people have made, that this is what they want to do. They know that their career lifespan is roughly 10 years, and that they wont be progaming for 30 years. BTW how is working 10 hours a day nonstop, no sleep, anything really out of the ordinary? a regular worker in a corporation works 8 hours a day. A doctor in ER? Lawyer? Software engineer? Even more than that. There was an artice on CNN just yesterday how video game programmers are working 12 hours a day nonstop for months upon months, and those people, are being pad less than Nada. Most Doctors? less than nada, in fact. Average Lawyer? Less than nada. 90% of SE's? Less than nada. Nurses? Teachers? Secretaries? Less than nada. The most similar situation to progaming i can come up with, is that of those "action sports" ie skateboarding, bmx'ing, etc. Those guys' careers are not that long, entail countless years honing their craft, experience physical danger in thier pursuit, only the very top make any sort of money at all (plus endorsements), and after thier career lifespan is done, they have nothing to fall back on. I dont see anyone saying "oh noes! poor skateboarders. let's pay then $1,000,000 intead b/c they have such a miserable life" All we're goign to get out of this sort of discussion is, progaming can be a pretty glamarous (on the outside) lifestyle, that pays well for a short period of time, and doesnt lead to that many career paths afterwards (coaching, internet cafe, or commentating). But it's their choice, and they all know what they are getting into. Besides, there is no "good" job that you can get, that pays well, that does not entail massive amounts of work both in obtaining and maintaing possession of. (other than the inheritance of family owned corporations) bottom line: their choice, they know the ins and outs, not our problem that their getting into it. IN the end, do they ENJOY what they are doing? and the answer most likely is YES.
Lets assume you become an Accountant instead of a progamer and you work for a pretty good company, and someone asks you what yo do for a living you could even answer 'I'm an Accountant just like the other few fukn million.'
An outlier isn’t necessarily a negative thing; anything profession that would be out of the ordinary does not mean it would be ghastly. Just imagine living in other country playing a game you have a passion for, having a fan club, experiencing a new culture AND getting paid the do so.
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On July 22 2006 10:46 Imai_Eriko wrote:
To WhatisProtoss:
ok cool.
thats ur opinion.
if ure satisfied with that.
if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and
not much of social life
and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year.
seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped.
well again, its relative.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years.
so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
just telling u my take on this.
You're an idiot. If you're trying to convince me of something, then try doing it with some better logic, instead of that: "Oh, sure. You think THAT'S a good way to live? Yeah.. well... It's not. I'm not trying to shove that down your throat or anything, but you're wrong."
Good logic, bozo. Okay, to answer your ridiculous comment.
1) No decent education.
The thing is, Korean students get better education than kids in the US. That being besides the point, these progamers are called "athletes" in Korea. And you could say the same thing about any athlete in any country. They all put in ridiculous amounts of time and efforts into what they do. You think any American sports athlete is well educated? Most likely less than a Korean progamer.
2) Salary.
Okay.
Progamer (10 years) x ($200,000) = $2 Million
An Average Person:
Comfortable Salary for family and kids: $60,000
Years of work: ~30 years
($60,000) x (30 years) = $1.8 Million
Okay, not only does a progamer make a lifetime salary of MORE than an average comfortable worker.... Add a fanbase of hundreds of thousands of people, including extra income, such as surpluses for winning a tournament, endorsements from clothing companies, TV advertisements, TV special games. So that could easily double the amount of money earned.
3) No fallback after career ends.
There are a lot of things that could happen. They could coach teams, or become broadcasters on TV for Starcraft. Plus, once they're over, they're still young, still in their 20's. They could easily go back to school, (with their HUGE incomes) and easily choose another profession if Starcraft doesn't seem fit for them later on.
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well said mate well said.
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I dont see why an argument on views is slowly becomming a flamewar.
You don\'t see me saying \"OMFG youre an idiot. because you dont agree with me. or you dont see what i see.\"
please voice yourself with maturity.
and not let your heart rule your head like girls.
Eternaleon:
you might as well compare garbage collectors to nba stars.
dont say youre comparing things in my perspective.
you do not understand the laws of supply and demand.
how many people have progaming talents. and how many people are able to work in factories?
Your_Killer:
you have a good point i missed out.
yeah its true its about how marketable your job is.
maybe the progamers arent as lucky to have a job as markatable as football stars and what not.
but i personally feel that the input output ratio isnt justified.
needless to mention minesweeper players then.
WhatisProtoss:
hahaha
getting so conclusive huh
"not trying to shove it down your throat but youre wrong"
i didnt mean that
if you read too much into what im saying or if my tone made u think otherwise. my bad.
"youre an idiot"
youre getting all worked up just because someone has a differing viewpoint or doesnt see sometthing thats so clearly obvious?
tsk tsk chill man
this should be really clear but i dont see why u dont see this
yeah u talk about american athletes not being well educated.
but you look at the amount of money they earn compared to korean progamers.
see any difference?
youve stated yourself that both careers require an insane amount of effort.
ok. thats true.
compare the payoff.
you actually made your own argument crumble.
oh and the 3rd part.
Yeah they could coach teams, become broadcasters on TV and what not.
yes, but definitely not as much.
and go back to school and start from scatch?
you would argue that they spend their schooling days earning lots of money and spend their supposed working days going back to school.
i accept that.
only by, keeping in mind that 200 thousand dollars is an amount i could live with comfortably
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Disclaimer: Yes, I can say bitchy things online... but I'm not stupid. Don't take me for an idiot, Imai_Eriko.
Here's why I hate your tone:
ok cool.
thats ur opinion.
if ure satisfied with that.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
You say that you're being civil while we're being "girls" and cursing you out? You're putting our arguments down with, "Sure.. go ahead. Yep. Go ahead. That's YOUR opinion."
And your response to what I wrote was really weak. You didn't say anything at ALL! Except to say that I have "crumbled" my own argument by mentioning the payoff.
Here's the thing:
#1: Sports athletes have to deal with injury, bad performance and poor sponsorship.
#2: Progamers have to deal with bad performance and poor sponsorship. However, Progamers don't have to deal with injuries, while sports athletes have to be careful of career-ending injuries which could happen at any point in time, whether it is during practice or games.
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oh so my tone made u think otherwise?
im not putting it down.
im saying you DEFINITELY can think what you want.
and about the girls part i didnt say you guys ARE like girls lol
i said dont behave LIKE them.
by letting ur heart take over ur head.
anyway please dont pick on stupid little shit like that
anyway back to the topic:
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On July 22 2006 21:28 Imai_Eriko wrote:
oh so my tone made u think otherwise?
im not putting it down.
im saying you DEFINITELY can think what you want.
and about the girls part i didnt say you guys ARE like girls lol
i said dont behave LIKE them.
by letting ur heart take over ur head.
anyway please do pick on stupid little shit like that
anyway back to the topic:
Hey, you were the one who mentioned it in your reply. Wait... what was your point of view again? You're saying that it isn't profitable to be a progamer JUST based on the amount of money they make? They make MORE money lifetime than most people in the world. PLUS, they have large endorsements, fame, and incredible fan-bases. For just a computer game, that's pretty awesome.
What was your point? That it isn't? Can you do better? I'm sure you can't.
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On July 22 2006 21:30 Imai_Eriko wrote:
Good.. good... You finally learned to shut up? You forgot the point of this thread and decided to diss on progamers and their "aimless" wander in life. However, you fail to see that they are doing quite well.
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mannnnn
im not the slightest bit pissed off or would i take this argument personally like u.
in fact after reading ur last 2 posts.
i gave a slight chuckle.
"Good.. good... You finally learned to shut up? You forgot the point of this thread and decided to diss on progamers and their "aimless" wander in life. However, you fail to see that they are doing quite well."
haha read my previous posts.
i said theyre accomplished people
and with all due respect etc etc.
and if u forgot my points re read them.
and focus on them.
dont make personal attacks just because you have nothing to say.
All im doing is voicing what i think, since this is a forum and not say things like. "You finally learned to shut up?"
oh and yeah
since i saw the word "You" appearing all over your posts. I know your arguments are taking the inclination of a personal attack.
Can i do better than progamers?
maybe?
maybe not?
but that doesnt remove my entitlement to post what i think on this forum.
oh by the way next time
dont judge beauty peagent contestants because youll NEVER EVER get a girlfriend like that.
or will u ever look as equivalently good
haha
now you know how stupid you sound?
if u wanna argue this way youll just carry on providing entertainment for me.
and yeah ull get ur wish
ill completely shut up.
because its utterly pointless to post.
=)
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wow htats awesome gogo german esports :D
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God Imai_Eriko, you've got a totally wrong approach to this.
Most of what you say is valid. An NBA player is will make more money for the work he puts in and being a progamer is a difficult job that requires extreme dedication. What you fail to see however, is that to earn his money he plays a fucking video game.
The fact that you can earn any money at all playing video games is amazing and completely new. Of course it's not the dream profession (yet) of someone who just wants to make as much money with as little effort as possible, but if you love playing video games this might just be your dream profession.
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Some response are way too defensive. lol
Starcraft is extremely popular in Korea with dedicated TV channels. Being one of the best at Starcraft, Nada should get paid more, but programing is still at its infancy so it is expected to make more money later.
Again, thanks for the translation FireBlast!
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LOL guys, Imai is right, wtf you talking about. Its much smaller salary then progamers deserve. There are other factors in this equasion, but his point is valid, and you guys should just shut up.
I dont know why you take it as an insult to the whole progaming world.
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i laughed so much :D
the calculation 200,000 x 10 and 60,000 x 30 was so funny!! ;P
how many players earn 200,000$ / year ? 2? 3? even when there are 2 or 3 - do they really get this money over a period like 10 years?! and how many "normal people" get 60,000 $ / year? A LOT! and even more earn this amount of money over a period of 30 years or more...
the funny thing was the one with fallback - "could become starcraft commentators" ;D
who says this game is gonna survive? we do not talk about soccer or football or baseball or basketball - we are talking about A VIDEO GAME!
when i was younger i thought that pro-gamer is something nice / something that you could do for some time and it would be great fun... but now i just think that koreans are pathetic for being pride of having #1 sc nation. the pro-gamers wake up and train. eat while training and go to sleep after train. they have no social life , they have no real future (dont come up with boxer, there are some that could earn money with their pro-gaming career in future / but compare how many spent 14 hrs a day training and how many will get money / secured life out of it!)
i first realized that when i saw the pictures of "pro-gaming" teams' houses...
they just play play play - that can't be that fun...
i agree that its amazing that they earn money and that it's something different etc. / something you maybe want to achieve but... its not the way of life; not at the moment.
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Norway28703 Posts
On July 22 2006 17:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 11:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
$200000 is as much as any person in the world actually deserves for the job he does anyway. seems like a good sum to me, I'd be very very happy if the salaries of football players and other world famous athletes (and other celebs) dropped to the same amount. =]
Hm, drone, the problem with this is how very short pro-sport careers generally are. If you invest 10 years into professional sport X you will likely not have that many options once you're done, so if you want it to be a viable option, the salary should be relatively high (although, 200 000$ a year is very nice ;o).
200k anually spending 100k a year which still is significantly more than average saves you $1 million for your retirement if you do it for 10 years meaning you'll have enough money to get by while you're trying to come up with something else to do
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true... NaDa can definitely easily pay for any college for 4 years after u retired as a progamer with the money uve saved up.
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On July 25 2006 08:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 17:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:On July 22 2006 11:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
$200000 is as much as any person in the world actually deserves for the job he does anyway. seems like a good sum to me, I'd be very very happy if the salaries of football players and other world famous athletes (and other celebs) dropped to the same amount. =]
Hm, drone, the problem with this is how very short pro-sport careers generally are. If you invest 10 years into professional sport X you will likely not have that many options once you're done, so if you want it to be a viable option, the salary should be relatively high (although, 200 000$ a year is very nice ;o). 200k anually spending 100k a year which still is significantly more than average saves you $1 million for your retirement if you do it for 10 years meaning you'll have enough money to get by while you're trying to come up with something else to do
The average progamer doesnt stay at the top that long.
All the calculations in all previous posts are as optimistic and hopeful as they can possibly possibly get.
Its like using Ronaldinho's salary as a standard and determining football is financially promising.
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nice ..
sorry for the bump i edit it T.T
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On July 22 2006 21:51 Imai_Eriko wrote:
dont make personal attacks just because you have nothing to say.
All im doing is voicing what i think, since this is a forum and not say things like. "You finally learned to shut up?"
oh and yeah
since i saw the word "You" appearing all over your posts. I know your arguments are taking the inclination of a personal attack.
Can i do better than progamers?
maybe?
maybe not?
but that doesnt remove my entitlement to post what i think on this forum.
=)
This is how you talk:
"re read my post
and drill every single word into your thick skull
because apparently the only dumbass is you.
that amount of effort for that amount of money
justified?
stupid fuck."
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Those who can't starve to death with happiness doing one thing, never say you understand something of art.
And when you are not interested in art let the artists alone.
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thedeadhaji
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On July 22 2006 21:00 Imai_Eriko wrote:
I dont see why an argument on views is slowly becomming a flamewar.
Eternaleon:
you might as well compare garbage collectors to nba stars.
dont say youre comparing things in my perspective.
you do not understand the laws of supply and demand.
how many people have progaming talents. and how many people are able to work in factories?
this should be really clear but i dont see why u dont see this
yeah u talk about american athletes not being well educated.
but you look at the amount of money they earn compared to korean progamers.
see any difference?
youve stated yourself that both careers require an insane amount of effort.
ok. thats true.
compare the payoff.
you actually made your own argument crumble.
oh and the 3rd part.
Yeah they could coach teams, become broadcasters on TV and what not.
yes, but definitely not as much.
and go back to school and start from scatch?
you would argue that they spend their schooling days earning lots of money and spend their supposed working days going back to school.
i accept that.
only by, keeping in mind that 200 thousand dollars is an amount i could live with comfortably
you brought the flame war upon yourself by using a confrontational tone.
It doesnt matter if you have a huge amount of talent if there is not a high enough demand for that talent, and a short enough supply of said talent. You, Imai_Eriko, could be the world's best talent at doing "monomane" (mimicing) of Imai Eriko. But obviously there isnt such a high demand for your godly talent in this world. Hence you wont be paid $1 million, even though you have unparallelled talent. Simple as that.
American athletes in Major sports are paid the amount they do, becuase of the high demand and scarcity of such talent. If you look at professional volleyball players in America, they arent getting paid nearly as much as those in the major sports. They may be equally as excellently talented, but the demand isnt there, b/c the audeince doesnt demand it, and hence the sport doesnt demand it.
Again, payoff is a funciton of the demand, not of the amount of hours they spend honing their craft, or the amount of talent they possess. WhatisProtoss has successfully refuted your support argument suggesting that since progamers practice extremely hard and should thus be paid much more. There is no correlation here.
Plenty of professionals will work coming out of highschool, then will go to college again in their late 20's because they want to change careers. There is nothign unordinary about progamers hypothetically goign back to school for a career change.
While I'm not in favor of WhatisProtoss' defaming nature of his tone, the points he brings up are solid counters to your arguments, Imai_Eriko.
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agreed.
And seriously... dont even act like you're just trying to have a friendly discussion. You clearly have a very stuck up tone. If you really didnt meant to offend anyone, try changing the way you make your damn post.
Besides, most of your shit doesnt even make sense.
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btw the article is kind of short and dry but realistic enough --- of course ironic and in a "socially matured European man's perspective" but not blackpainting everything either... maybe he didn't have the space for it Oo
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On July 22 2006 20:05 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2006 10:46 Imai_Eriko wrote:
To WhatisProtoss:
ok cool.
thats ur opinion.
if ure satisfied with that.
if you think working your ass off 10 hours a day sometimes even more with no sleep and
not much of social life
and largely without a decent education is compensable by two hundred thousand dollars a year.
seems like you have a very poor concenption of energy expended to profits reaped.
well again, its relative.
i may think its disadvantageous but u may think otherwise.
well, whatever makes u happy.
fine by me. really.
dont forget the lifespan of a TOP progamer is say optimistically 10 years.
so if 200 thousand dollars a year for 10 years with no decent education certificate after to support yourself makes you happy.
go ahead.
really.
im not forcing my viewpoint down your throat..
just telling u my take on this.
You're an idiot. If you're trying to convince me of something, then try doing it with some better logic, instead of that: "Oh, sure. You think THAT'S a good way to live? Yeah.. well... It's not. I'm not trying to shove that down your throat or anything, but you're wrong."Good logic, bozo. Okay, to answer your ridiculous comment. 1) No decent education.The thing is, Korean students get better education than kids in the US. That being besides the point, these progamers are called "athletes" in Korea. And you could say the same thing about any athlete in any country. They all put in ridiculous amounts of time and efforts into what they do. You think any American sports athlete is well educated? Most likely less than a Korean progamer. 2) Salary.Okay. Progamer (10 years) x ($200,000) = $2 Million An Average Person:Comfortable Salary for family and kids: $60,000 Years of work: ~30 years ($60,000) x (30 years) = $1.8 Million Okay, not only does a progamer make a lifetime salary of MORE than an average comfortable worker.... Add a fanbase of hundreds of thousands of people, including extra income, such as surpluses for winning a tournament, endorsements from clothing companies, TV advertisements, TV special games. So that could easily double the amount of money earned. 3) No fallback after career ends.There are a lot of things that could happen. They could coach teams, or become broadcasters on TV for Starcraft. Plus, once they're over, they're still young, still in their 20's. They could easily go back to school, (with their HUGE incomes) and easily choose another profession if Starcraft doesn't seem fit for them later on.
Wow GGNORE
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