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Golden ratio makes the human eye to understand the picture easily. Fractals are basis:
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It may be the first time you thought about it, but Golden ratio is everywhere in StarCraft:
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Post was originally written by painter, Robert Andersen.
StarCraft: BroodWar Golden Ratio graphic
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
Golden ratio makes the human eye to understand the picture easily. Fractals are basis: It may be the first time you thought about it, but Golden ratio is everywhere in StarCraft: Post was originally written by painter, Robert Andersen. | ||
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Beorning
United States243 Posts
ok now there's a picture. | ||
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
And Golden Ratio is hidden everywhere around us once you start looking for it. So it is not surprising it hid itself inside a computer game, especially in a damn good one. | ||
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HaruHaru
United States988 Posts
Edit: just checked out the link in your post and wow those paintings are amazing!! Are they for sale | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 02:20 HaruHaru wrote: SC2 is way less accurate. At least comparing to BW Lol very interesting. Does sc2 utilize the golden rule too since it makes my eyes really uncomfortable.  | ||
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aquados
Netherlands180 Posts
i love how things like the golden ratio was used in sc, they sure knew how to make a "esports" game^_^ | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 02:49 aquados wrote: there are MUCH more buildings with this ratio, for exaple the citadel. i love how things like the golden ratio was used in sc, they sure knew how to make a "esports" game^_^ You will note much more after this thread  | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Belgium16168 Posts
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amazingxkcd
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Sweden2744 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 03:39 plasmidghost wrote: Haha, yes, me too ^^Wow, that's really cool. Now I know why I always loved the graphics | ||
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howLiN
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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Germany999 Posts
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United States136 Posts
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Korea (South)806 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:54 howLiN wrote: This round thing of the probe is like a midline There are some of those that don't make any sense, like the probe | ||
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AzureHath
Bulgaria154 Posts
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Australia2111 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Gairbear
United States80 Posts
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On October 08 2012 06:48 HornyHerring wrote: I don't get it. You can split a picture into 2 parts with 'something more' and 'something less' so it's mathematics? It's a very specific ratio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:01 okum wrote: This is math analysis :DThis is a deliberate joke, right? Please? | ||
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lpunatic
235 Posts
On October 08 2012 17:45 OminouS wrote: Loving the topic. A few seems a bit far fetched though? Correct. The shuttle offends me most. Which is not to say it isn't cool, I just feel like there's a bit of confirmation bias going on. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
Lack of rigor. You aren't doing math, you are drawing boxes around things that (vaguely) approximate the golden ratio. Which BTW is NOT a difficult concept to grasp. It's the kind of thing that gets kids interested in mathematics. The bit about the brain being able to grasp an image/be more attracted to the golden ratio has been debunked as well. | ||
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aquados
Netherlands180 Posts
On October 08 2012 20:27 zefreak wrote: A bit of confirmation bias? This is like 100% pareidolia. Look at screenshots of a random, shitty game and you will 'find' the ratio everywhere. Why? Lack of rigor. You aren't doing math, you are drawing boxes around things that (vaguely) approximate the golden ratio. Which BTW is NOT a difficult concept to grasp. It's the kind of thing that gets kids interested in mathematics. The bit about the brain being able to grasp an image/be more attracted to the golden ratio has been debunked as well. A: we have no fucking CLUE about how our brain works, B: a normal person only uses like 10% of their brain compacity so maby it DOES help if the person has a higher use of its compacity | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
BW graphics are really nice and I do not think it is due to this golden aspect ratio. On October 08 2012 21:48 aquados wrote: A: we have no fucking CLUE about how our brain works, B: a normal person only uses like 10% of their brain compacity so maby it DOES help if the person has a higher use of its compacity Man, B is proven very wrong already. | ||
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aquados
Netherlands180 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html http://lifehacker.com/5867049/nine-stubborn-brain-myths-that-just-wont-die-debunked-by-science http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/HolisticHealth/HealthMythsCenter.aspx?ChunkID=156966 http://www.positscience.com/brain-resources/brain-facts-myths/brain-mythology | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 08 2012 20:27 zefreak wrote: You joined TL starting with SC2, didn't you? A bit of confirmation bias? This is like 100% pareidolia. Look at screenshots of a random, shitty game and you will 'find' the ratio everywhere. Why? Lack of rigor. You aren't doing math, you are drawing boxes around things that (vaguely) approximate the golden ratio. Which BTW is NOT a difficult concept to grasp. It's the kind of thing that gets kids interested in mathematics. The bit about the brain being able to grasp an image/be more attracted to the golden ratio has been debunked as well. | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
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skirmisheR
Sweden451 Posts
Ee is that also golden ratio (the height of the letters?) :O | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
You see too much nonexistent patterns, take a break dude Haha, this. I mean, OP reminds me of art critics that invent things the artist never thought about, just to sound smart. I thought the OP was ironic/meant to be funny, but it actually seems serious? | ||
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thezanursic
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and this http://cyberart.me/1 This site is amazing!!! | ||
Waxangel
United States33326 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On October 08 2012 23:48 Rus_Brain wrote: You joined TL starting with SC2, didn't you? I played BW on release and I still think you're full of shit. Also, what does that have to do with anything? BW elitism much? I like the clarity of BW graphics more than I like SC2's, but it's not like BW is the pinnacle of godly and untouchable graphics. Stop acting like it is. User was warned for this post | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On October 09 2012 07:01 howLiN wrote: Whatever, bro <3I played BW on release and I still think you're full of shit. Also, what does that have to do with anything? BW elitism much? I like the clarity of BW graphics more than I like SC2's, but it's not like BW is the pinnacle of godly and untouchable graphics. Stop acting like it is. User was warned for this post | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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EffervescentAureola
United States410 Posts
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 09 2012 09:57 Jaevlaterran wrote: I know the math. I loved the pictures. Now make me one like the vitruvian man by Da Vinci but with a hydralisk and I'll start selling it on the streets. A zealot would be better, because of the arms. | ||
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Canada46 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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China13814 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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Leeoku
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 08 2012 21:48 aquados wrote: A: we have no fucking CLUE about how our brain works, B: a normal person only uses like 10% of their brain compacity so maby it DOES help if the person has a higher use of its compacity We have a great many clues how our brain works, pick up a book on cognitive science maybe instead of repeating debunked myths like the 'fact' that people use 10% of their brains. It's not true and you would know that by spending 5 minutes with google. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
These aren't very good "examples" of the Golden Ratio. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 08 2012 23:48 Rus_Brain wrote: You joined TL starting with SC2, didn't you? What does this have to do with anything? I think BW is a beautiful game and the reason has nothing to do with the golden ratio. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
One way that you can find the golden ratio is in the fingers, and the distance between the 3 joints and the tip. You can divide each finger into 3 parts, starting at each joint. I measured my long finger, and the ratio between the first and the second parts is 1.629. The ratio between the second and third part is 1.591. The average of those numbers is 1.610. The golden ratio is 1.618~. That's pretty darn close considering the margin of error. The ratio between the 3rd part and my nail is also 1.571, and that's a normal cut nail, with maybe a 1-2mm outer layer of white. This is hardly a coincidence. Let's say I measured my foot and my hand, and then divided them and got a ratio close to the golden ratio, then you could argue that I was making it work by measuring two random parts, but in the finger example I studied a very specific part, and divided it in parts that makes sense. It's pretty obvious that my fingers are structured around the number 1.618 (or something close to that). The golden ratio in a mathematical sense is just an estimation of this number. Anyway. If you think that Blizzard sat down at a meeting and someone said, hey guys. Let's try this golden ratio thingy with the graphics, then you've misunderstood it all. The golden ratio is natural beauty, and this means that a good artist uses this ratio without thinking about it. I wouldn't be surprised to find these ratios in SC2 as well. The problem with SC2 is the lighting, coloring and "camera" angle, not the actual structure of the sprites. | ||
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Autofire2
Pakistan290 Posts
Look at photos. Good photos of someone will almost always have significantly more "empty space" to one side than the other. That's a good photographer realizing intuitively that a completely centered photo does not look natural or pleasing. That's why some of the ratio's do not seem exact: nobody is saying blizzard went over every unit with a micrometer measure. Just that their artists gravitated towards a very universally pleasing ratio. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
Although it's true that the golden ratio has been used deliberately in some works of art (not nearly as many as is often claimed), and though the golden ratio has many interesting mathematical properties (which crackpots like giving metaphysical interpretations), the concept of the all-pervasive golden ratio in nature and art isa myth which a has been debunked. This article is well worth reading: http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_07.html | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On October 09 2012 19:41 Autofire2 wrote: EXACTLY. Thank you, previous poster. People are acting like the posters appreciating this are somehow crediting Blizzard with some Da Vinci code esque nonsense where they hid the number everywhere. It's not that, it's that good artists in any medium naturally gravitate towards that ratio. Look at photos. Good photos of someone will almost always have significantly more "empty space" to one side than the other. That's a good photographer realizing intuitively that a completely centered photo does not look natural or pleasing. That's why some of the ratio's do not seem exact: nobody is saying blizzard went over every unit with a micrometer measure. Just that their artists gravitated towards a very universally pleasing ratio. It's not a universal rule for beauty. It's found in nature and art, as are many many other ratios. There is no evidence that it has anything to do with making things attractive to humans. It's importance in anything is VASTLY overstated. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
On October 09 2012 19:41 Autofire2 wrote: EXACTLY. Thank you, previous poster. People are acting like the posters appreciating this are somehow crediting Blizzard with some Da Vinci code esque nonsense where they hid the number everywhere. It's not that, it's that good artists in any medium naturally gravitate towards that ratio. I'm quite sure all game designers today know of the golden ratio. It is way too fundamental in reality to be ignored by someone trying to replicate parts of reality. I remember from my university math studies that most games used matrices to create graphics. We also discussed the golden ratio during the first semester. I would bet that any matrix used in a computer game having anything to do with reality would have the golden ratio all over. And calling it "Da Vinci code esque nonsense" is not very suitable. It sounds to me like you've either not read the book or simply misunderstood what the golden ratio is all about. By saying this you might as well say that the Fibonacci sequence, also mentioned in the Da Vinci code when regarding mysticism and not maths, is "Da Vinci code esque nonsense". Try replicating the movement of a Goliath missile without consciously using the Fibonacci sequence to create the spiraling movement. To create a computer game like BW, maths describing reality must be used. Then as it seems they chose to apply it, not only on things we already know have the golden ratio, but also on alien things. Perhaps this is a part of why the three races in BW complement each other so well visually. While being diverse, they still have some of the same numbers as we see in our world. And I really do mean this as being a difference in the look between BW and SC2. SC2 does not seem to even remotely have the same focus on the golden ratio, when it comes to alien things. Just look at colossi. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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brolaf
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 well researched. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
At least made some discussion here <3 | ||
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