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MicroMonkey
Profile Joined April 2012
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 07:50:12
September 20 2012 07:49 GMT
#101
I neever played 2v2 BW how do you know about all this players? What I know 2v2 BW was small and only fun fun? Btw what is the diffrent between 2v2 sc2 and 2v2 bw?

Frends I have asked say that 2v2 sc2 is alot better!
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1424 Posts
September 20 2012 09:16 GMT
#102
http://sc-player.marw.net/player-stat-list.php?st_player_id=133934&ev_id=2

respect for megazerg
mada mada dane
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 10:48:36
September 20 2012 10:47 GMT
#103
2v2 on sc2 is is all about shared bases and sharing minerals bw doesnt have that, on sc2 if u die ur ally can give u minerals to live, if u die on bw ur done no more nothing, and on sc2 u can control ur allys units and others, bw u cant. on sc2 2v2 is like 1 side of map vs other side there is not diveristy in the maps like it is on bw where u can spawn at diffrent locations away form your oppnent, but i see why its like that on sc2 casue the units are so buffed like helion roach ect that u cant handle a 1v2 attack like u can on bw. theres no ramp advtanges in sc2 or anything like that its mostly whoever has best combiation of units, where in bw its all about micro and macro, build orders and how well u know the map.


donno if this make sense makes sense in my head O_o
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2012 10:57 GMT
#104
@OP - to say "testie and mondragon were inconsistent"
um, have you checked oh, i dont know, WCG from 2003-2007? LOL

and in terms of 2v2, i would argue that you obviously didn't play against these players
they were consistent every season, they just smurfed a lot on things like PGT/WGT/iCCup... probably still do, but on fish.
eriador, for instance, was RANDOMINATOR, I believe, and he was really buddy-buddy with these guys.

On September 15 2012 02:42 lastshadow wrote:
XiaoZi did not retire, he moved to China and will play in china's OSL.

he was reaaallly good at keeping his drones alive vs pressure

On September 14 2012 03:02 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Me.

I joke. I'm a Yan and Xaoxi fanboy.

hellmuth top zerg 2v2 :p i jest
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2012 10:59 GMT
#105
On September 16 2012 15:08 Wgtourmaps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2012 14:10 Gandalf wrote:
You seem incredibly biased in favor of Belladona, lol. It feels like you made this thread not to generate an actual discussion on the topic, but find like minded people to extol Belladon's skill.

Overall, I would say Mondi + Testie were the best 2v2 zergs. Afaik they dominated the 2v2 scene like no other team has.

It is common knowledge Testie was a known hacker most of his career, and probably an unknown hacker for portions off the rest of it. It is uncommon knowledge that allies gravitate to a map hacker like Testie to have the winningest win rates possible They werent around when the best teams were, and don't have prolonged 2v2 results.

ARE YOU SAYING HE WAS CAPABLE OF HACKING WHEN HE GOT TO WCG LIKE 4 YEARS IN A ROW? lol
Sorry, caps
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2012 11:00 GMT
#106
On September 17 2012 10:14 Djin)ftw( wrote:
actually it would be interesting to see how testie/mondi would fare against a random 2v2 team (nizzy/yan/LJT/belladonna...) nowadays. We should have a fundraiser for this

this

omg this

i would donate quite a bit
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 20 2012 11:04 GMT
#107
Christian Schäfer
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SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 13:38:06
September 20 2012 13:13 GMT
#108
Mondragon/LJT/Testie were really good at 2v2 these dudes are or were nothing compared to them.
even SaFT/StarGlenn/MaDFroG were excellent at 2v2 even tho they retired.

but at least Mondi/LJT/Testie were the best foreign 2v2'ers ever.

edit: ok saw that u added mondi/ljt/testie
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
September 20 2012 13:20 GMT
#109
To the OP, I was almost exclusively a team player in SC1, but it was obvious to me that:

1) 1v1 is harder than 2v2 in every single way. Harder mechanics, far more depth in strategy.

2) 1v1 attracted the best players. It was far, far more competitive than 2v2. Can you ever imagine a player like Flash playing Iccup 2v2 when he could be winning the OSL?

For these reasons, I am convinced that top level 1v1 players, given the motivation to properly and sufficiently practice, would crush any dedicated 2v2 players. If Mondi and Testie in their prime PROPERLY practised 2v2, I'd expect them to 50-0 someone like Yan.

Its also interesting that Yan should call them newbies now, considering they're long retired. I doubt he'd have the balls to say that to their face when they were still playing. Mondi and Testie dominated the 1v1 non korean scene for years, against competition far more skilled than what the very limited 2v2 iccup scene has to offer.

To give a SC2 analogy, if stephano and naniwa sufficiently practised 2v2, I'd expect none of the dedicated 2v2 ladder teams to give them any trouble.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 13:27:13
September 20 2012 13:26 GMT
#110
I think Yan is also exceptionally skilled 1on1. However, I think its generally agreed upon that what you said is/was true. Having mechanics and really good micro helps a lot in 2on2 but it is much more forgiving. For example, I got to B- 2on2 a couple of years ago. I got bored of 1on1 laddering but if I really really tried maybe I could of gotten C.
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Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 13:38:52
September 20 2012 13:38 GMT
#111
I'm aware Yan achieved A- for 1v1, and although I never saw any of his games, I did hear from a lot of people it was mostly cheesing or all ins (which I'd expect a 2v2 player to be good at). That said, Mondi and Testie weren't your regular 1v1ers, they were at the very top of the non korean scene for like 4-5 years. And afaik, they also went undefeated in 2v2 on wgtour and then pgtour, something no other 2v2 player has achieved.
MicroMonkey
Profile Joined April 2012
95 Posts
September 20 2012 15:56 GMT
#112
So what is better I never playd BW 2v2 so I am not voteing.

Poll: Bw 2v2 or sc2 2v2? what is the better game?

bw (12)
 
92%

sc2 (1)
 
8%

13 total votes

Your vote: Bw 2v2 or sc2 2v2? what is the better game?

(Vote): sc2
(Vote): bw



Taking in every thing in account.

User was warned for this post
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
September 20 2012 16:26 GMT
#113
BW 2v2 was 10x better. More fun, more skill requiring.

For the record I've been playing SC2 since it was launched.
MicroMonkey
Profile Joined April 2012
95 Posts
September 20 2012 17:18 GMT
#114
Is there anyway fore me to watch 2v2 bw? VODs, cast streams och any records? I dont have sc1 anymore and dont plan to get it.

(I think 2v2 sc2 is awsome!)
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
September 22 2012 16:02 GMT
#115
On September 20 2012 22:38 Gandalf wrote:
I'm aware Yan achieved A- for 1v1, and although I never saw any of his games, I did hear from a lot of people it was mostly cheesing or all ins (which I'd expect a 2v2 player to be good at). That said, Mondi and Testie weren't your regular 1v1ers, they were at the very top of the non korean scene for like 4-5 years. And afaik, they also went undefeated in 2v2 on wgtour and then pgtour, something no other 2v2 player has achieved.


Yan played only cheese, only toss, and dodged all pvt matchups if I recall. Or was it pvz? Whatever it was he dodged an entire third of all possible matchups.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 22 2012 18:35 GMT
#116
Win every 2v2 competition ever for years straight and go undefeated through tournaments and ladder seasons.
Get called inconsistent.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
September 22 2012 18:41 GMT
#117
On September 23 2012 03:35 SK.Testie wrote:
Win every 2v2 competition ever for years straight and go undefeated through tournaments and ladder seasons.
Get called inconsistent.

You heard it here first folks, Testie has never lost.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
September 22 2012 18:48 GMT
#118
On September 23 2012 03:41 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 03:35 SK.Testie wrote:
Win every 2v2 competition ever for years straight and go undefeated through tournaments and ladder seasons.
Get called inconsistent.

You heard it here first folks, Testie has never lost.

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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
September 22 2012 18:59 GMT
#119
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
September 22 2012 19:38 GMT
#120
Has played and been champion of countless tournaments for more than a decade and former #1 ranked Starcraft Broodwar player on the Gosugamers Player Ranking as well as the worlds #1 2v2 player of all time in Starcraft. Has set multiple records in every ladder played in, such as longest win streak in a ladder & longest win streak in 2v2, longest time holding #1 etc. Some of the large scale lan events attended are at least 4 Canadian WCG Finals & WCG Grand Finals, 2 WCG Pan-American Championships, IEST, PGL, 2 Blizzcon appearances, and Blizzard's WWI tournament in Korea.


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