Heyyo, bunch of outdated stuff below. For SSL8 news, take a look over at this post
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First off, what the hell is SOSPA? Created by the Afreeca BJ (Broadcasting Jockey) Sonic, SOSPA's original purpose was a sort of a joke/parody of KeSPA. Currently, the main function of SOSPA is providing a ranking of players who participate in Sonic's various events/tournies.
Events? Tournies?? Yep! Sonic organizes and hosts these tournies/events on a regular basis for the SOSPA players. Currently there are five main things he organizes that count toward SOSPA ranking:
King of the Hill - Self-explanatory. The more you win, the more money you get!
Sonic All-stars vs Clan/Team/Country/Anything - Basically, Sonic assembles a team of whoever is available vs any team that takes up the challenge. 6v6 All-kill format. Usually there is some amount of Balloons at stake here (like 1k Balloons, which is 100k won)
BJ Ranking Tourney - Basically a normal tournament, but unsponsored. Smaller prize pool.
Starleague - A tournament that has a sponsor. Bigger prize pool!
Event matches - Usually BoX between two players
In addition to those, a SOSPA Proleague is in the works, complete with sponsored teams and salaried players!
My god, where can I watch them?!?!! Two methods: [*]Go to afreeca.com and use the web player! It's super easy, just install whatever it wants you to and it should be fine :D [*]If you have a smartphone or tablet, you can download the free Afreeca app and watch it anywhere through that. There is a guide at the bottom of this post detailing how to use the Android Afreeca Mobile app.
How can I help??? Afreeca streamers make money by cashing in Balloons or Stickers they receive from their viewers. Sonic also runs/manages an online store called "신발팜" (Shoe Farm), and making a purchase through that would also help him. Unfortunately, I believe this is out of the question for most people
So, the best way to show your support to Sonic and other BW Broadcasters is to watch their stream and "Recommend" (give 추천) it (explained in the Afreeca Mobile section below). It'll boost the BJ's ranking, and to more exposure.
So yea, that's the gist of SOSPA!! Now .. onto some news of some recent things
1st Place: 3mil Won4mil Won!! 2nd Place: 2mil Won 3rd Place: 1mil Won
Starts at Ro32 will be an offline Dual tournament (each match Bo3, split over 2 days), Ro16 onward will be BoX held in an offline setting at Sonic's office/studio.
Ro32 Maps:
1. Neo Jade 2. Neo Electric Circuit 3. Fighting Spirit
Ro16 Maps:
4. Wind and Cloud (one of the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream) 5. New Sniper Ridge
Pretty graphics! Same guy who worked on the graphics for the following leagues:
Korean Air ONGAMENET Starleague 2010 Dual Tournament
MBC GAME Hana-Daetoo MSL 2010
MBC GAME ABCMart MSL 2011
SK Planet Pro League Season1 2011
Recent/other stuff
Sonic All-stars vs jat clan I heard was pretty good, ending with Killer beasting it up at the end. I haven't seen it yet, but I think it should be shown on the rerun
Killer won the most recent (9th) Ranking Tourney against .. some terran in a very close series 4-3.
A SOSPA website is supposed to go up sometime in the future. Not sure of the details.
Sonic sometimes does fun/random shit instead of broadcasting leagues. Most recently, he broadcasted him playing while Mong "coached" him (i.e. cussing at him a lot lolol)[
I would like to note that, a lot of these things are personally funded by Sonic himself. He is the owner/manager of a fairly successfuly online store called 신발팜 (Shoe Farm) and he uses the profits to help fund a lot of these things. Sonic really does love Broodwar
For those of you who can read/comprehend Korean, you can visit Sonic's Afreeca page for his announcements. It'll be better than relying on my shoddy summarizations of these things heh
Many thanks to my friend John who really helped me out with this! Couldn't have done this without you
First off, go to the website afreeca.com. Making an account is recommended, but not necessary. Click on the circle highlighted to launch the web player. If this is your first time, say yes to downloading the program/plugin. During the installation, you can uncheck everything since spam is bad.
The image should be self-explanatory You can customize it by clicking on the top rightmost button, which I forgot to highlight. That, in itself, should be self-explanatory too.
First, click on the highlighted button, 게임. Once selected, it should roll down even more options. You want to click on the one I have highlighted, 스타. And there we go, all the Starcraft streams.
Find the search bar, highlighted in the picture. With this method, you can be more specific with your search. Type in whatever. In this case, I plugged in Sonic's Afreeca ID "sogoodtt". Some other popular streams are "h78rt" (Killer) "aiseiteru99" (Hiya) "cksgmldbs" (Mong), etc etc. If you typed it in correctly and they're online, you should get a result like this. Notice how of the 3 results, there's one w/ a different view count. That's a "Relay Room", which is created when a broadcaster's room is full. You can use this search method to find a broadcaster's relay room when their main room is full.
So you wanna watch the broadcast, but you don't know what to click. There are three different things you can click Clicking on the image to the left will initiate the broadcast. Once you click on it, the Broadcast window should go black and start loading. Ads need to load before you can watch a stream, and it can take a looooooooooong time to load. Make sure you have ad-block turned off.
The two buttons highlighted on the bottom do two different things. The left button will take you to the BJ's home page. The right button will give you 3 more options: -Top button is "Pop-up" which spawns another Afreeca player, with less options. -Second button is PIP, which spawns another broadcast within the broadcast you are already watching. Broadcastception -Third button is "Mini-Mode", which is pretty much the same thing as the pop-up player ..
5. The Broadcast itself - Supporting the Broadcaster via "Recommend" + Show Spoiler +
I feel this particular tidbit deserves a section by itself, because this is the best way one can support. The "Recommend" button is the one highlighted in the picture. You can give it to each BJ once a day. If your popup blocker is off, then it will pop up a window giving you the option to post on the broadcaster's msg board (you can't anyways lol).
Doing this on a regular basis will increase the broadcaster's ranking, and exposure. If you want to support, but don't have money to give, this is the best way to do it.
There are numbers top-left of each thing that I will explain 1 - Logout 2 - Toggles chat box on and off 3 - Toggles Broadcast list on and off 4 - Title of the broadcast 5 - BJ's Afreeca ID 6 - Information about the Broadcast, comes up if you move your mouse over the stream. In the order, its: -Views by PC, Mobile, Relay Room, and total viewers that watched since it started. -Then it the 2000k is the quality. -Then it shows the resolution of the Broadcast. -And finally, it shows which date the broadcast was started, and for how long it's been running 7 - Aspect ratio options 8 - Stop player 9 - Sound Control 10 - Give Balloons (money required) 11 - Give Stickers (Money required) 12 - Give Recommend (Boosts ranking, no money required) 13 - Add to bookmarks/favorites 14 - Previously seen Broadcast history 15 - Users who are viewer, sorted by ID and then their nickname 16 - Chat room 17 - chat box
On the "Broadcast List" box, you notice there's a second tab "즐겨찾기" That's your bookmarks/favorites list It'll show all your favorites that are online, and the offline ones too. The button by the Refresh button top right, "목록편집" will toggle the ability to delete streams from your favorites. To delete, click on the grey circle w/ an x in it on the top right of the stream preview image.
Afreeca is a P2P based connection system, instead of a server-based. The more viewers there are, the more chatting there's going on, the further away you are from Korea, the laggier your stream is gonna be. Unless you have a fucken boss internet, lag will be unavoidable w/ the more popular streams.
Prime time Afreeca is night-late night at Korea. There are some BJs who leave a restream on 24/7 or play/stream at weird hours, but most of them don't stream until that time.
If you wanna chat and stuff, you have to verify yourself by sending an ID to Afreeca. I haven't bothered doing this myself, so I don't know all the details
This is what you should see when you first launch it. The icon on the left is for Broadcasting, and the icon on the right is for watching Broadcasts. For the purposes of this guy, just select the right one.
Man, if there'll be some kind of mass retiring going to happen next season then I know where to wait for them . This is some really really really great news omg!!!!
Man, It's Killer's first month in the SOSPA ranking and he's already #4? Mong with 74% winrate? I guess we now have our underground versions of Flash and Jaedong.
On September 09 2012 19:36 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: this is amazing maybe someday we have something like that can u point the teams plz ? i not know korean
its those eight teams at the beginning of the source
I don't really feel like translating these atm (sleepy @_@). Basically its the sponsor/team name (for now), and then the parantheses indicates what kind of sponsor it is. 쇼핑몰스폰 = shopping mall sponsor, 웹하드스폰 = online web-based file storage site sponsor, 컴퓨터스폰 = computer ..? assuming its a store or something sponsoring, 개인스폰 = a person sponsoring
On September 09 2012 19:50 Birdie wrote: Yes! This is awesome :D
'7th Sonic TV Starleague' what were the other 6 like?
I haven't seen them myself, but let's just say "awesome"
On September 09 2012 19:53 endy wrote: Wow it looks like a real alternative scene is developing. As usual, what can I do to support them ? Do they take donations ?
Thank you for sharing this !
Afreeca BJs earn money through "Balloons" and "Stickers", which the viewers buy and then give to various BJs at their own discretion. I'm not sure if foreigners can buy those things though, so yea idk how you can support financially,
The only way I can think of to support Sonic is to make an Account (foreigners can make acc on Afreeca ezpz, but someone has to make a guide first I guess), and give him 추천 (reccomendation) to boost his ranking, which can be done through the mobile app if you are logged in.
Someone should get him in touch with the twitch people so he can get partnered on twitch and be able to stream on Twitch and Afreeca, and then he can make some money off of the Twitch stream.
I'm going to sleep now, but tomorrow I'll be working on a guide on how to make an Afreeca account. It'll be helpful for those who have a smartphone/tablet and want to support by giving Sonic or other Starcraft BJs 추천 (boosts ranking), and also for those others who want to buy a foreigner pass.
This may take a while though, so if anyone beats me to the punch, you're welcome to do so.
This is of course absolutely amazing news. Thanks for bringing it to us, I assume anyone who has followed the scene for some time was confident the Koreans wouldn't let the game die as easy as that! Things we need to concentrate on: Coverage. VODs, possibly live rebroadcasts or even getting the BJs to stream on twitch if possible. Showing our support. It would be best if a few people who are interested and know Korean well enough would gather and come up with some sort of a plan for this. My knowledge of korean is only limited atm, but if that happens I'm sure you will find people to help you in ways that do not require knowing Korean (like splitting VODs, uploading to YT and making vod threads, making battle reports, hype videos, mantaining a liquipedia page. I'd be interested in doing all of the above.
We desperately need more access to this stuff. This feels like 2003 all over again! Even if we have to rely on battle reports from mensrea I would be very much satisfied.
im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
On September 09 2012 20:53 GTR wrote: No Savior on the top 30 list?
Ironically, Sonic was the one of the first people who pushed for return of Savior. Then he banned him from his leagues afterwards after the fans bashed him for bringng him back.
Another way not listed to watch afreeca is to dl bluestacks. Bluestacks is just a program that lets you use android apps on your PC.
Also, on a random note, about a few months ago, Sonic even had July play BW (and he was casting random event at that time too I think) on his stream. I forget who the terran was (maybe Sonic himself?) but it was just July fending off a bunker rush lol.
Also arv, can you check around and see if Minho got a new stream? Apparently, he closed his old BJ account but no idea if he got a new one. (old one was http://afreeca.com/djwp0531 )
It'd be cool if we could get some active people to provide an official restream on TL. The only active restream has been bgvrt but he's not on TL due to savior being banned.
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
Really cool. I tried putting Afreeca on an old iphone, but unfortunately the videos didn't work at all with the ap... Then I found a way to watch them just off the site with the phone somehow, but it buffers every thirty seconds for 10 seconds, so it was totally unwatchable Afreeca seems amazing, I wish they would expand their market. I know that Sonic must be making his money thru Afreeca, so it's sort of a shame to restream/reup his VODs... Someone should convince him he can monetize a youtube account. Feels like 2003 all over again... So close yet so far, amazing VODs just outside of reach.
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
Sorry for all of those who are having trouble with Afreeca on the phone/tablet. If you've downloaded it, along w/ korean keyboard functionality, here's a quick guide:
1)Launch Afreeca, and select the button on the right (with the big green circle and play symbol), and then you should be directed to the On Air tab 2)In the search, type in 스타 (type ㅅㅡㅌㅏ in that order, must have Korean keyboard installed), and that will bring up all the Starcraft streams (some results won't be BW though) 3)Sonic's is the one that starts with [소닉TV]. You can also differentiate w/ ID, so I guess an reference list is in order lol
On September 09 2012 20:53 GTR wrote: No Savior on the top 30 list?
Ironically, Sonic was the one of the first people who pushed for return of Savior. Then he banned him from his leagues afterwards after the fans bashed him for bringng him back.
ya pretty much this, Savior is banned from Sonic leagues because of the fans lol. Savior still streams regularly and does a lot w/ Terror, but this thread isn't about Savior so let's move on.
On September 09 2012 20:59 nbaker wrote: $13.00 a month so expensive
Yeah but hey, this might be an opportunity to support our esport directly.
The money is paid to afreeca, so I dont think its directly sponsoring the organisation/competition itself.
yep, although I guess you could say that it helps BW/Sonic by proxy lol
On September 10 2012 00:19 Essbee wrote: wooooooow this is like the best news in a while. This along with the chinese scene could grow into something great! :O
I believe there was a Sonic All-stars vs China match a while ago, where Sonic opened up the first match and got owned by a bunker rush, and then proceeded to cry on stream lololol
On September 10 2012 00:49 Harem wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/kjwcj also has a bunch of afreeca streams listed for those looking for BW BJ's although it is missing a few.
Another way not listed to watch afreeca is to dl bluestacks. Bluestacks is just a program that lets you use android apps on your PC.
Also, on a random note, about a few months ago, Sonic even had July play BW (and he was casting random event at that time too I think) on his stream. I forget who the terran was (maybe Sonic himself?) but it was just July fending off a bunker rush lol.
Also arv, can you check around and see if Minho got a new stream? Apparently, he closed his old BJ account but no idea if he got a new one. (old one was http://afreeca.com/djwp0531 )
I will have to add that in later
and minho got banned for a month for playing strip games on stream LOL ... not sure if he's unbanned yet lmfao. Terror has also been banned on occasions too for doing .. extreme things
I also felt the need to add a note about how Sonic actually funds a lot of these things with his own money, the profits from his successful online store business. A rather important detail that I seemed to have forgotten to include when I first wrote this .. ;p
On September 10 2012 03:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Savoir plays on Afreeca, no? Shouldn't he be on the list there?
Well, Sonic doesn't like Savior because of his past in e-sports. Which he also does not like 1a2a3a[fou] or Terror[fou] because 1a2a3a put Savior in his own tournament.
On September 09 2012 22:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sure i saw savior and luxury playing sonic events.and savior got big sponsor for his stream. maybe savior jus tnot get results or not included in ranks ;;
Thanks for the post. Seeing the brackets of those starleagues fueled my savior fanboyism and it would be a shame to see him being banned from this new beginning although i'd understand sponsors being turned off. I guess the whole second chance thing we so often bring up is just empty talk and that's sad.
However savior brings in the most amount of fans you could imagine... why is that a bad thing for sponsors?
On September 10 2012 03:18 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Savoir plays on Afreeca, no? Shouldn't he be on the list there?
Well, Sonic doesn't like Savior because of his past in e-sports. Which he also does not like 1a2a3a[fou] or Terror[fou] because 1a2a3a put Savior in his own tournament.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, but I wouldn't know for sure lol
But yea, Savior is banned, end of story. Please do not discuss Savior in this thread.
On September 10 2012 03:48 Powster wrote: Dont you need korean ip for afreeca?
On September 09 2012 19:30 ArvickHero wrote: My god, where can I watch them?!?!! That depends. If you live in Korea, it's as simple as making an account and launching Afreeca (Sonic has his channel on 24/7 and reruns recent/past events).
Otherwise, you have three options [yes, this means without a korean ip]:
If you have a smartphone (or tablet I think, not sure), you can download the free Afreeca app and watch it anywhere through that.
Using a proxy could work. I had one that worked for about a week, and it was glorious. Unfortunately now it doesn't work and I haven't found a replacement.
Buy a foreigner pass. Afreeca sells these things for about $13/month, which allows you to access Afreeca outside of Korea and gives you Quickview benefits (no ads, better stream quality/access).
Sorry to say there is no convenient way as of yet
^ There's also programs like "Bluestacks" which allow you to run android apps on Windows, so basically simmulating option 1). Somebody else probably mentioned it as well in this thread... Personally I tried it but never got the video to work, only sound. But apparently it should work - and the app itself is easy to use. Just google+download Bluestacks, then add afreeca tv in the app, and launch it. Nothing complicated there, unless you run into an issue like I did :T
Thanks for taking the time to lay out all the information.
I have a few IDs for the rankings list:
손경훈 = Sea.Kh, Ex-CJ trainee and Semi-Pro. Known for creative PvZ and playing a tonne of LoL. 김은호 = NtO`Kara, Amateur. 최아신 = AsiaSin[ScM], Semi-Pro. 스마일 = NtO`Smile, Amateur. 박상현 = Soma[Kal], Amateur.
is it possible for anyone from tl.net to get in contact with sonic and/or stream the tourneys (with adding to tl calendar) like spl/sl in the past years?
pretty sure that it requires a korean creditcard to buy the foreigner access. at least it did when i tried a while ago. because it's not so much foreigner access, as just for koreans living outside of korea
On September 10 2012 08:45 Kiante wrote: pretty sure that it requires a korean creditcard to buy the foreigner access. at least it did when i tried a while ago. because it's not so much foreigner access, as just for koreans living outside of korea
On September 10 2012 08:45 Kiante wrote: pretty sure that it requires a korean creditcard to buy the foreigner access. at least it did when i tried a while ago. because it's not so much foreigner access, as just for koreans living outside of korea
First off, download the Afreeca app and also Korean Keyboard functionality.
When you launch Afreeca it should look like this + Show Spoiler +
Click on the icon indicated by the giant red circle, which will lead you to the main interface of Afreeca + Show Spoiler +
To login, select the top right icon, translated to "More". It should bring you to this page + Show Spoiler +
Click on the log in icon, and logging in shouldn't take any explanation. The page should look like this + Show Spoiler +
If you logged in successfully, you should see this page + Show Spoiler +
Nothing of use, so press the back button and go back to the "More" page. If you want, you can fiddle around with your settings, which I have translated (liberally) + Show Spoiler +
If you want to change up how the broadcasting is organized, here is the translated options of that + Show Spoiler +
Anyways, after all that, you can go back to the main page to find the broadcasts you want to see. Here it is again for reference + Show Spoiler +
The first way you can find broadcasts is by using the search function. Typing in 스타 (press the symbols ㅅㅡㅌㅏ in that order) will show you all the online Starcraft streams, or you could be more specific by typing in the broadcaster's ID (Sonic's is sogoodtt, Mong is cksgmldbs, etc etc .. will compile a list later). It should look like this + Show Spoiler +
The other way is to select the Category icon, and then game. It'll show all the game broadcasts, so its less specific than the search method. Here's how the categories should look like + Show Spoiler +
Regardless of method, you should eventually stumble upon the broadcast you wish to see. If you're using your 3G or 4G connection, you should see this when you select the broadcast + Show Spoiler +
Just hit OK and the broadcast should start. And bam, you get to watch Afreeca on your phone. Should look sorta like this + Show Spoiler +
Now you notice how I circled one thing, and squared another. Those two are very important. The circled icon gives the broadcaster "추천", or "recommendation", which boosts the broadcaster's ranking. You can give these to each broadcaster once a day, and is possibly the best way to support them other than giving them balloons/stickers.
The other icon allows you to favorite/bookmark that broadcast. Makes it much easier finding that stream again, and to give 추천 on a regular basis
Now go back to the main page. Here it is again for reference + Show Spoiler +
Now each broadcast you bookmark is automatically set to notify you when they go online. Naturally, you dont want ALL of them to be set like that. So click the Notification Settings icon. Then you should see this. + Show Spoiler +
You can turn the notification setting on/off for each broadcast. When you're done, hit the done icon.
And that's about it to mobile afreeca! Yea there's a shitload more other stuff, but that's all you need to know to watch SC :D and it would take up way too much time explaining lol
I'll add both of these guides to the OP sooner or later, in a much better format .. sorry for the ugliness of these guides, but I'm a little lazy lol
They seem to hate foreigners on there? I was put on mute because I spoke English, and people were telling me to "Shut my mouse ㅋㅋㅋ" (yes they said mouse)
So mean.
I got put on mute status, twice. For saying Hello. Oh well, I can still enjoy the streams.
edit:
Easiest way to watch streams on foreign IP is to download the Afreeca app.
I also got Afreeca to work for a little bit using a Korean socks5 proxy, but it was really, really laggy and terrible to use. The connection would drop a lot.
However, a more reliable way is to buy a Korean VPN (cost me $9, and gives me servers across the world, not just Korea), which I currently use. Runs perfectly fine, streams don't sit and constantly buffer like they did on my afreeca app and proxy.
On September 10 2012 12:55 Ym1r wrote: They seem to hate foreigners on there? I was put on mute because I spoke English, and people were telling me to "Shut my mouse ㅋㅋㅋ" (yes they said mouse)
So mean.
I got put on mute status, twice. For saying Hello. Oh well, I can still enjoy the streams.
edit:
Easiest way to watch streams on foreign IP is to download the Afreeca app.
I also got Afreeca to work for a little bit using a Korean socks5 proxy, but it was really, really laggy and terrible to use. The connection would drop a lot.
However, a more reliable way is to buy a Korean VPN (cost me $9, and gives me servers across the world, not just Korea), which I currently use. Runs perfectly fine, streams don't sit and constantly buffer like they did on my afreeca app and proxy.
Is the 9$ VPN a monthly rate or permanent? If latter, that's a good deal not just for afreeca.
Some time ago, a Korean friend of mine lent me his account but I still couldn't watch the streams. I guess I can watch with this app without account cool.
On September 10 2012 12:55 Ym1r wrote: They seem to hate foreigners on there? I was put on mute because I spoke English, and people were telling me to "Shut my mouse ㅋㅋㅋ" (yes they said mouse)
So mean.
I got put on mute status, twice. For saying Hello. Oh well, I can still enjoy the streams.
It's like speaking spanish on a forum or game lobby. Kind of annoying for everyone who isn't fluent in spanish.
Ok, big update to the OP. Added more details about how you can watch Afreeca, namely Bluestacks, more details about foreigner pass, and such. Also added a little section after that about how you can support Afreeca, even if you have no money.
I replaced the spoilered list of the September ranking with an image, now has more information and looks better. Some names are still untranslated, but oh well
An update to the upcoming 7th SonicTV Starleague, with an increase in Prize money! 4mil won to the first place winner now instead of 3mil
And at the bottom of the OP, I've added a guide of how to register for an Afreeca account, and how to use the Android Afreeca Mobile app (sorry iPhone users! Maybe someone w/ an iPhone can do it ): ). It should be MUCH easier to read than the text-vomit I wrote out earlier.
edit: oh goddammit, Sonic posted even more details about the Starleague and Proleague :l welp gonna take a break first before I go back to translating again
On September 10 2012 18:25 ArvickHero wrote: Ok, big update to the OP. Added more details about how you can watch Afreeca, namely Bluestacks, more details about foreigner pass, and such. Also added a little section after that about how you can support Afreeca, even if you have no money.
I replaced the spoilered list of the September ranking with an image, now has more information and looks better. Some names are still untranslated, but oh well
An update to the upcoming 7th SonicTV Starleague, with an increase in Prize money! 4mil won to the first place winner now instead of 3mil
And at the bottom of the OP, I've added a guide of how to register for an Afreeca account, and how to use the Android Afreeca Mobile app (sorry iPhone users! Maybe someone w/ an iPhone can do it ): ). It should be MUCH easier to read than the text-vomit I wrote out earlier.
edit: oh goddammit, Sonic posted even more details about the Starleague and Proleague :l welp gonna take a break first before I go back to translating again
I tried bluestacks, ended up being extremely buggy, couldnt even login the app :\
^Sorry to hear that, I personally have not tried it myself but I hear a number of ppl have had problems w/ it. On the other hand, some other ppl seem to get it working fine .... :/
anyways, BIG updates about both the upcoming SonicTV Starleague and Proleague!! Sonic has released a calender of the Starleague and the Ro32 group! The OP has been updated as such and .. I guess you don't really need to understand Korean to comprehend this yes? :D
As for Proleague, more solid details about it are starting to come out, one of the biggest things being Team rosters! I have taken the liberty of translating some of the team names, but a few I left untranslated because I wasn't sure of the proper translation.
I'm a little disappointed Sonic chose to do Winners-league style instead of Proleague style, but its still pretty damn awesome Each Proleague "season" is supposed to go for a month I believe, and the first place prize is 5mil won .. not bad at all!
On September 10 2012 08:45 Kiante wrote: pretty sure that it requires a korean creditcard to buy the foreigner access. at least it did when i tried a while ago. because it's not so much foreigner access, as just for koreans living outside of korea
i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
@whoever is looking for Savior You forgot who ruined BW pro scene?
This is amazing! Now all we need is easier access to view the streams, and for our good foreign players to participate in these events. :D This sonic guy is really helping BW so much, god bless him~ Can't wait to try to catch some of these things, and hope to get a foreigners pass soon.
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
If FAT played again, would sziky play again as well?
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
@whoever is looking for Savior You forgot who ruined BW pro scene?
where is old boy nal_ra @_@...i miss him so much !:
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
@whoever is looking for Savior You forgot who ruined BW pro scene?
Well, you are right about all of it but still this is the closest thing to KeSPA BW PL out there (tell me if I'm missing out something, you're Korean and I'm not so you probably know better than me).
On September 10 2012 12:55 Ym1r wrote: They seem to hate foreigners on there? I was put on mute because I spoke English, and people were telling me to "Shut my mouse ㅋㅋㅋ" (yes they said mouse)
So mean.
I got put on mute status, twice. For saying Hello. Oh well, I can still enjoy the streams.
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Easiest way to watch streams on foreign IP is to download the Afreeca app.
I also got Afreeca to work for a little bit using a Korean socks5 proxy, but it was really, really laggy and terrible to use. The connection would drop a lot.
However, a more reliable way is to buy a Korean VPN (cost me $9, and gives me servers across the world, not just Korea), which I currently use. Runs perfectly fine, streams don't sit and constantly buffer like they did on my afreeca app and proxy.
Sorry, but what you did was kinda dumb. This has nothing to do with foreigner hate, TL has an English only policy too, and would ban you if you repeated posted in a different language. It is annoying for users who can't understand you on a site which is obviously Korean. The best you could hope for is someone to speak English and then have really dumb irritating small talk with you which no one else understands... Don't do that. What are you expecting.. "oh, you know Lim Yo Hwan... he gosu" "ya I watch bw for years on youtube!" ~~ waste. You would not be able to keep up with or follow the actual conversation of the channel, it would just be your own side conversation.
That is just my explanation... No offense meant to you, but don't think there is any specific foreigner hate. You just need to know the language if you want to communicate with them.
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
ArvickHero certainly living up to his name. Thank you and your friend John so much for all the hard work, didn't expect you'd come up with so much in such a short period of time Imo one of the most important questions now is - can we get anyone to re-stream the matches? Or make the VODs accessible? If we can make that happen then we can build up a lot from that..
On September 11 2012 05:15 Stratos wrote: ArvickHero certainly living up to his name. Thank you and your friend John so much for all the hard work, didn't expect you'd come up with so much in such a short period of time Imo one of the most important questions now is - can we get anyone to re-stream the matches? Or make the VODs accessible? If we can make that happen then we can build up a lot from that..
i bless god to kjwcj and bgvrt re stream those events
On September 10 2012 12:55 Ym1r wrote: They seem to hate foreigners on there? I was put on mute because I spoke English, and people were telling me to "Shut my mouse ㅋㅋㅋ" (yes they said mouse)
So mean.
I got put on mute status, twice. For saying Hello. Oh well, I can still enjoy the streams.
edit:
Easiest way to watch streams on foreign IP is to download the Afreeca app.
I also got Afreeca to work for a little bit using a Korean socks5 proxy, but it was really, really laggy and terrible to use. The connection would drop a lot.
However, a more reliable way is to buy a Korean VPN (cost me $9, and gives me servers across the world, not just Korea), which I currently use. Runs perfectly fine, streams don't sit and constantly buffer like they did on my afreeca app and proxy.
Sorry, but what you did was kinda dumb. This has nothing to do with foreigner hate, TL has an English only policy too, and would ban you if you repeated posted in a different language. It is annoying for users who can't understand you on a site which is obviously Korean. The best you could hope for is someone to speak English and then have really dumb irritating small talk with you which no one else understands... Don't do that. What are you expecting.. "oh, you know Lim Yo Hwan... he gosu" "ya I watch bw for years on youtube!" ~~ waste. You would not be able to keep up with or follow the actual conversation of the channel, it would just be your own side conversation.
That is just my explanation... No offense meant to you, but don't think there is any specific foreigner hate. You just need to know the language if you want to communicate with them.
I went to a couple of different streams and used English, they were completely fine with it. The BJ even replied to me when I asked him "Does the food taste good?" he responded with "Yes the food has is does taste good."
Yet I go to a girls stream and say hello, and they ask me if I was American (in Korean 미국), to which I responded back with Korean, yes [네]. I was instant muted.
Just because a few streams were okay with you speaking English, doesn't mean it's the norm. Chef was spot on with his post. On my stream I routinely have anyone speaking a language besides English warned and then banned.
On September 11 2012 05:15 Stratos wrote: ArvickHero certainly living up to his name. Thank you and your friend John so much for all the hard work, didn't expect you'd come up with so much in such a short period of time Imo one of the most important questions now is - can we get anyone to re-stream the matches? Or make the VODs accessible? If we can make that happen then we can build up a lot from that..
i bless god to kjwcj and bgvrt re stream those events
Sonic has his Broadcast on 24/7 and restreams past/recent events while he's sleeping/at work. So catching/recording the games live won't be a big deal, since it'd probably be better to wait for the restream due to less ppl watching(which is less lag) lol
This also means that Sonic has VODs to many the games/events he's casted. Whether or not he'll release those VODs later on, who knows ..
On September 11 2012 05:15 Stratos wrote: ArvickHero certainly living up to his name. Thank you and your friend John so much for all the hard work, didn't expect you'd come up with so much in such a short period of time Imo one of the most important questions now is - can we get anyone to re-stream the matches? Or make the VODs accessible? If we can make that happen then we can build up a lot from that..
i bless god to kjwcj and bgvrt re stream those events
Sonic has his Broadcast on 24/7 and restreams past/recent events while he's sleeping/at work. So catching/recording the games live won't be a big deal, since it'd probably be better to wait for the restream due to less ppl watching(which is less lag) lol
This also means that Sonic has VODs to many the games/events he's casted. Whether or not he'll release those VODs later on, who knows ..
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this.
2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene.
3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this?
Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this.
2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene.
3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this?
I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly.
I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"?
Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake.
AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty.
Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history.
Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago.
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this.
2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene.
3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this?
I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly.
I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"?
Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake.
AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty.
Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history.
Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez.
What you are saying is totally different from what i think. It's just waste of time we fight with "who will win or not".
Let me tell you this. You're asking why you should hate(or i do hate)? No, i don't hate Sonic. Actually i was a fan of him when he first came out with funny b.os, i still kinda like him. And yea, i know how much money he threw in game leagues, who don't among his fans? But what i hate is that what he does NOW. As i said, all those participants are B teamers(yes, you are saying they are good) for me, not interested in Korean B gamers' playing.
KeSPA gamers, money whore? LOL At least they don't say "click recommend box plz" or "balloon plz". Pusan was actually my fav toss player(that's why i invited him to defi's showmatch), but disappointed since then. KeSPA players maybe do the same thing when they show up Afreeca, but not now. Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games?
With rumor, yeah you know perfectly. Fucking stupid basis of rumor? LOL Who knows? Even if there's little money(like $200) related in Korean Clan League(Bbulsori, actually smurf game was played on BnW League), there was an issue. What if huge money related? Who knows?
P.S What you have "personally thought", i also do have. I shouldn't say what i thought because i ruin your OP? You don't have to dispute with me, just ignore this if you like.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago.
Except there's at least half a dozen of the guys who are part of this SOSPA scene that would thrash Larva in exactly the same way. To be honest, I doubt Mong would even lose one map to Larva if he was trying.
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this.
2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene.
3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this?
I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly.
I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"?
Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake.
AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty.
Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history.
Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez.
What you are saying is totally different from what i think. It's just waste of time we fight with "who will win or not".
Let me tell you this. You're asking why you should hate(or i do hate)? No, i don't hate Sonic. Actually i was a fan of him when he first came out with funny b.os, i still kinda like him. And yea, i know how much money he threw in game leagues, who don't among his fans? But what i hate is that what he does NOW. As i said, all those participants are B teamers(yes, you are saying they are good) for me, not interested in Korean B gamers' playing.
KeSPA gamers, money whore? LOL At least they don't say "click recommend box plz" or "balloon plz". Pusan was actually my fav toss player(that's why i invited him to defi's showmatch), but disappointed since then. KeSPA players maybe do the same thing when they show up Afreeca, but not now. Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games?
With rumor, yeah you know perfectly. Fucking stupid basis of rumor? LOL Who knows? Even if there's little money(like $200) related in Korean Clan League(Bbulsori, actually smurf game was played on BnW League), there was an issue. What if huge money related? Who knows?
P.S What you have "personally thought", i also do have. I shouldn't say what i thought because i ruin your OP? You don't have to dispute with me, just ignore this if you like.
So you hate that Sonic is keeping the BW scene alive, simply because these are just "b gamers"? Some BW lover you are.
"Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? " Don't say fucking ridiculous things, it's just like me saying "oh, so should we all just give away our money and keep none to ourselves because money-whoring is bad?"
Honestly, what is wrong with asking for balloons and recommend? It's how the Afreeca system is set up, what else do you expect? Do you detest waiters that expect a tip, or when there's a donation box at a website you visit? Or when a street performer does something awesome and then asks for donations .. is that so wrong?
Also, if you're so concerned about any sort of issue/scandal/matchfix because there's money involved, then why don't you be concerned about the Foreigner scene you so love? Foreigner scene tournaments have had their share of problems because of money, but do we burn it down because of it? No, we keep supporting it because we have a love for BW
I have an obligation to defend this thread, so don't come in here spreading trash and expect to get off free.
In other news, an updated calender to account for the 추석 holidays:
and here contains a map layout of Sonic's office/studio, along w/ images of the audience area and player waiting room. It's a little weird that there's three different rooms for audience, and that the players and commentator are in separate room .. but we'll see how it pans out ^^
On September 10 2012 21:58 Xiphos wrote: Hey Arvick, what are the chances for FAT to be inducted into future ProLeague? Would certainly spark out the foreign level of play even more.
I'll say unlikely, but that's simply just speculation.. ask and you shall find out hehe. I think that they'd definitely be able to organize a Sonic All-stars vs Foreign All-stars though
On September 11 2012 00:21 Hyeon wrote: i really am a BW lover, but i hate what SONIC does. Especially all who participate in this league are B level(like they were banned because of their low skills in their team), those sponsors are unknown for me... Who knows there won't be any manipulated games?
wait .. what? Everything about this post confuses me. First off, these are the best Sonic could get (well, except for StarCue he sucks lol). In fact, many of these players probably could beat the current KeSPA A-teamers now, because of the practice difference. And all of these "B level players" had different circumstances, not simply just "oh lol they suxxed". You would know if you watched them play that they are all incredibly skilled
Do you hate all foreigner leagues because they aren't progamer level?
As for unknown sponsors .. you didn't know these sponsors before, now you know about them .. Congrats, they have succeeded in their mission!!
And I'm appalled that you would even hint at match-fixing, really :/
1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this.
2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene.
3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this?
I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly.
I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"?
Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake.
AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty.
Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history.
Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez.
Yeah it's folly. The games from the KeSPA players keep dropping and dropping as they make the transition and its been going on for some time. -_-
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?!
Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon.
It was bound to happen man. Koreans want more Brood War.
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?!
Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon.
Starting from the Ro16 to be specific. And the set-up seems a little strange because of Sonic's limitations (using his office space for the studio). I wouldn't say expect something on the scale of OSL/MSL or even GSL, but it's a start
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?!
Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon.
Starting from the Ro16 to be specific. And the set-up seems a little strange because of Sonic's limitations (using his office space for the studio). I wouldn't say expect something on the scale of OSL/MSL or even GSL, but it's a start
You're damn right it's a start.
This is how BW first started:
"There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event"
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
Amount of Kespa players that use Fish ladder is a lot higher than most think but it's hard to know just how widespread it is unless you're zimp. I'll let him elaborate on this point if he sees this thread and wants to. Example being that Eonzerg played Juni in his most recent rep pack released.
Another point people aren't considering is that kespa players stopped practicing FS while people on fish have continued to play there. If there is a place where Fish can equal or better the Kespa players then it's definitely on FS. For example, when Bisu played Larva, he wasn't even using the optimal imba wall at top right. FS has changed a lot from when the Kespa players actively played it.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
All Kespa players are Sc2 gamers now, that's my point. I don't know how much they play on Fish but I don't see how that is relevant concerning the horrible quality of the BW games.
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago.
I don't think that is a fair comparison consider Bisu is bombing at Sc2 and BW is his strength.
I hope there will be vods for this or re streams or something, for those of us who can't figure out how to jump through all those crazy hoops to watch it. This is very exciting though. BW <3
So you hate that Sonic is keeping the BW scene alive, simply because these are just "b gamers"? Some BW lover you are.
So? Stop being sarcastic. You like what sonic does but i don't. What then? As i said, i do have my personal thought which you have, this isn't 'defending your thread' but what you said is "don't ruin my OP QQ" for me.
"Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? " Don't say fucking ridiculous things, it's just like me saying "oh, so should we all just give away our money and keep none to ourselves because money-whoring is bad?"
LOL you said "FUCKING RIDICULOUS" again. Why you keep saying it's fucking stupid thing, already there was a scandal and you think there won't be any? Too idealistic.
Honestly, what is wrong with asking for balloons and recommend? It's how the Afreeca system is set up, what else do you expect? Do you detest waiters that expect a tip, or when there's a donation box at a website you visit? Or when a street performer does something awesome and then asks for donations .. is that so wrong?
Please don't bring OFF TOPIC here. Anyway, I'm not saying Afreeca's Ballon/Recommend system, i just said their asking "balloon balloon plz" or something like that. Who do you think give them balloons? I'm sure over 50% of them are teenagers whose money came from parents. Donation? LOL isn't donations for someone/something poor or charity? Do you think they threw money to him because they want Sonic to host tour? NOPE. lol almost everyone who do that is just hope their names announced on streams LOL.
Also, if you're so concerned about any sort of issue/scandal/matchfix because there's money involved, then why don't you be concerned about the Foreigner scene you so love? Foreigner scene tournaments have had their share of problems because of money, but do we burn it down because of it? No, we keep supporting it because we have a love for BW
1. I think i've already done enough thing for Foreigner scene. (Are you going to say "nope" in this case?) 2. Your logic : BW LOVE -> Scandal -> It's okay, keep loving it and 'throw money' -> Another scandal(probably) ; recycles. If you at first said "hopefully there won't be any scandal" or "i like B teamer's playing which you don't" or something like that, i wouldn't arguing here. Think how you tried to defend this thread.
I have an obligation to defend this thread, so don't come in here spreading trash and expect to get off free.
All i can see is just 'stop ruining my OP' here. If you want to keep defend your thread, go ahead. But i hope you stop saying "you are saying fucking shit".
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
All Kespa players are Sc2 gamers now, that's my point. I don't know how much they play on Fish but I don't see how that is relevant concerning the horrible quality of the BW games.
What i meant was they were dropped from teams because of their lower acheivement in their team(some may have their personal problem but i would say whoever dropped from team, i would say they are B teamers). Yes, they are better than some random players on Fish, i don't deny that neither. But why should 'I' watch B teamers game, and manipulated games(yeah, it didn't happen yet, but who knows it won't happen)?
I don't blame you with 'you shouldn't like what Sonic do'. I just said what i thought.
Amount of Kespa players that use Fish ladder is a lot higher than most think but it's hard to know just how widespread it is unless you're zimp. I'll let him elaborate on this point if he sees this thread and wants to. Example being that Eonzerg played Juni in his most recent rep pack released.
Nice assumption. If zimp finds KeSPA played Fish, i would enjoy that too. But here's why i don't think KeSPA played a lot on fish.
1. Where are those KeSPA players on fish? a. They are playing vs 1300-1500 players to hit higher points : waste of time to play vs them. Their team mates are better than them. b. Okay, cool. Let's say suddenly unknown account(player) hit #1. That should be KeSPA gamer? Some say, yeah he is! Then what happens? There would be lots of replays of that gamer, opponents from other team d/l them and study for that. Next time, every opponents can beat them. : No one from KeSPA player want to be shared his replays.
etc.
Another point people aren't considering is that kespa players stopped practicing FS while people on fish have continued to play there. If there is a place where Fish can equal or better the Kespa players then it's definitely on FS. For example, when Bisu played Larva, he wasn't even using the optimal imba wall at top right. FS has changed a lot from when the Kespa players actively played it.
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?!
Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon.
Starting from the Ro16 to be specific. And the set-up seems a little strange because of Sonic's limitations (using his office space for the studio). I wouldn't say expect something on the scale of OSL/MSL or even GSL, but it's a start
Oh my goodness.. so you're saying theoretically there's still a chance to go to Korea and attend a BW match.. albeit with no stargirls and shit like that? Honestly, this is supergalactic news for newcomers like me! :D
On September 12 2012 20:11 stevewch wrote: omg, bw striving!!! hope it can grow bigger, and is it possible to let top foreigners like fengzi/sziky join?
Sure, as long as they can get accepted by Sonic to the starleague and can go to Sonic's studio, which is in Korea if they qualify for ro16.
On September 12 2012 16:54 thezanursic wrote: I don't want to ask the obvious, but How many people watch these events?
Like on his 24/7 restream theres an average of 300~800 ppl watching and on his live streams, depending on what he is doing, viewership is anywhere from 1500~2000 people to upwards of 14000~15000.
On September 12 2012 20:11 stevewch wrote: omg, bw striving!!! hope it can grow bigger, and is it possible to let top foreigners like fengzi/sziky join?
Sure, as long as they can get accepted by Sonic to the starleague and can go to Sonic's studio, which is in Korea if they qualify for ro16.
oh.. that's a little bit sad, i thought it is just an online event that people from other countries can join easily. thanks for your answer though.
On September 12 2012 20:11 stevewch wrote: omg, bw striving!!! hope it can grow bigger, and is it possible to let top foreigners like fengzi/sziky join?
Sure, as long as they can get accepted by Sonic to the starleague and can go to Sonic's studio, which is in Korea if they qualify for ro16.
oh.. that's a little bit sad, i thought it is just an online event that people from other countries can join easily. thanks for your answer though.
Seeing perfectman on PC Family team with Hiya and Mong it's starting to become my favourite team to root for . Good old days of bw ... hanbit soft ,fox, mbc hero, estro ... maybe this could show me there is still light in the end of this dark tunnel.
On September 13 2012 00:00 Sawamura wrote: Seeing perfectman on PC Family team with Hiya and Mong it's starting to become my favourite team to root for . Good old days of bw ... hanbit soft ,fox, mbc hero, estro ... maybe this could show me there is still light in the end of this dark tunnel.
On September 13 2012 00:00 Sawamura wrote: Seeing perfectman on PC Family team with Hiya and Mong it's starting to become my favourite team to root for . Good old days of bw ... hanbit soft ,fox, mbc hero, estro ... maybe this could show me there is still light in the end of this dark tunnel.
where are you watching this?
Not watching just saying any team that has perfectman,hiya and mong in it is a good team .
On September 13 2012 00:00 Sawamura wrote: Seeing perfectman on PC Family team with Hiya and Mong it's starting to become my favourite team to root for . Good old days of bw ... hanbit soft ,fox, mbc hero, estro ... maybe this could show me there is still light in the end of this dark tunnel.
where are you watching this?
Not watching just saying any team that has perfectman,hiya and mong in it is a good team .
alot of ppl feel pc family team is a bit overpowered haha
On September 09 2012 20:00 Plexa wrote: Sonic is quickly becoming the saving grace of the KR BW scene. Now if only there were a way to make it more accessible for a non Korean audience.
Give it time my friend. We need to appreciate what we can get and then build on that.
On September 13 2012 01:50 tryummm wrote: Does anybody know when the KESPA players contracts get renewed? Maybe some of the kespa players who don't like SC2 will change to this league?
Also, does anybody know how much these players practice per day?
not sure on when kespa players renew contracts but it is highly doubtful theyd give up a decent salary to play on afreeca..
regarding how much they play depends on their schedule. most of these players have a job and/or are going to skool so somedays they wont play much other times they will play for hours. in the month of august pusan streamed almost every single day (i think he only missed like 1-2 days) and everyday he played for approx 3-6 hours
On September 13 2012 01:50 tryummm wrote: Does anybody know when the KESPA players contracts get renewed? Maybe some of the kespa players who don't like SC2 will change to this league?
Also, does anybody know how much these players practice per day?
not sure on when kespa players renew contracts but it is highly doubtful theyd give up a decent salary to play on afreeca..
regarding how much they play depends on their schedule. most of these players have a job and/or are going to skool so somedays they wont play much other times they will play for hours. in the month of august pusan streamed almost every single day (i think he only missed like 1-2 days) and everyday he played for approx 3-6 hours
Some of them might persue a real job and join Afreeca as part time and I'm pretty sure a few of them will 1 or 2 at least.
On September 13 2012 01:50 tryummm wrote: Does anybody know when the KESPA players contracts get renewed? Maybe some of the kespa players who don't like SC2 will change to this league?
Also, does anybody know how much these players practice per day?
not sure on when kespa players renew contracts but it is highly doubtful theyd give up a decent salary to play on afreeca..
regarding how much they play depends on their schedule. most of these players have a job and/or are going to skool so somedays they wont play much other times they will play for hours. in the month of august pusan streamed almost every single day (i think he only missed like 1-2 days) and everyday he played for approx 3-6 hours
Of course non of them are going to be well known players maybe some of the old BW kinda average players who didn't transition into SC2 well.
On September 13 2012 01:50 tryummm wrote: Does anybody know when the KESPA players contracts get renewed? Maybe some of the kespa players who don't like SC2 will change to this league?
Also, does anybody know how much these players practice per day?
not sure on when kespa players renew contracts but it is highly doubtful theyd give up a decent salary to play on afreeca..
regarding how much they play depends on their schedule. most of these players have a job and/or are going to skool so somedays they wont play much other times they will play for hours. in the month of august pusan streamed almost every single day (i think he only missed like 1-2 days) and everyday he played for approx 3-6 hours
Some of them might persue a real job and join Afreeca as part time and I'm pretty sure a few of them will 1 or 2 at least.
The more popular BJs on afreeca can easily make a living through what they make on Afreeca alone. For example, the house you see Terror stream in, he bought that through money earned streaming.
Plus, there are a bunch who still have to do military service so it's pretty easy to just make living on Afreeca until they decide to go into military.
Some like Eagle will even start streaming at 6-7 AM sometimes.
So you hate that Sonic is keeping the BW scene alive, simply because these are just "b gamers"? Some BW lover you are.
So? Stop being sarcastic. You like what sonic does but i don't. What then? As i said, i do have my personal thought which you have, this isn't 'defending your thread' but what you said is "don't ruin my OP QQ" for me.
My point still stands. You claim to love BW, but since you hate what Sonic does it implies you'd rather let BW die, simply because these are "B gamers"? Please. Same argument could be applied to foreign scene, where all the "A gamers" foreigners moved on and now its only the "B gamers" left. Your hatred is irrational.
"Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? " Don't say fucking ridiculous things, it's just like me saying "oh, so should we all just give away our money and keep none to ourselves because money-whoring is bad?"
LOL you said "FUCKING RIDICULOUS" again. Why you keep saying it's fucking stupid thing, already there was a scandal and you think there won't be any? Too idealistic.
I was talking about how you go to fucking ridiculous extremes to say things I never even implied. Please read more carefully.
Also, fucking ridiculous =/= fucking stupid. Learn to read more carefully.
Honestly, what is wrong with asking for balloons and recommend? It's how the Afreeca system is set up, what else do you expect? Do you detest waiters that expect a tip, or when there's a donation box at a website you visit? Or when a street performer does something awesome and then asks for donations .. is that so wrong?
Please don't bring OFF TOPIC here. Anyway, I'm not saying Afreeca's Ballon/Recommend system, i just said their asking "balloon balloon plz" or something like that. Who do you think give them balloons? I'm sure over 50% of them are teenagers whose money came from parents. Donation? LOL isn't donations for someone/something poor or charity? Do you think they threw money to him because they want Sonic to host tour? NOPE. lol almost everyone who do that is just hope their names announced on streams LOL.
Clearly, your grasp of the english language, or just language in general, is getting in the way of this argument. It wasn't off-topic, it was a comparison to similar situations. What do you care about who is giving the money, when they are doing so at their own discretion and not forced in any way?
And you must not know how things work. There are a lot of things that are provided for free, but ask for a donation in return. There are movies, music, games, and entertainment in general that have been offered for free and asked for donations. I don't see you providing an adequate reason why it's BJs asking for balloons or recommendations.
Also, if you're so concerned about any sort of issue/scandal/matchfix because there's money involved, then why don't you be concerned about the Foreigner scene you so love? Foreigner scene tournaments have had their share of problems because of money, but do we burn it down because of it? No, we keep supporting it because we have a love for BW
1. I think i've already done enough thing for Foreigner scene. (Are you going to say "nope" in this case?) 2. Your logic : BW LOVE -> Scandal -> It's okay, keep loving it and 'throw money' -> Another scandal(probably) ; recycles. If you at first said "hopefully there won't be any scandal" or "i like B teamer's playing which you don't" or something like that, i wouldn't arguing here. Think how you tried to defend this thread.
When did I ever say DO MORE FOR THE FOREIGNER SCENE? I said that the Foreigner scene itself has had a lot of problems/scandals because of money, but we don't abandon/crucify it because of that. Think about how you read things.
I have an obligation to defend this thread, so don't come in here spreading trash and expect to get off free.
All i can see is just 'stop ruining my OP' here. If you want to keep defend your thread, go ahead. But i hope you stop saying "you are saying fucking shit".
Ok, so if I was trashing the Pusan vs Sziky thread saying "omg sziky not ret/mondragon he sux why showmatch" or "omg pusan trash why him" or "omg why give money money is bad because there was scandal before", then its ok for me to say that you are just QQing about me ruining your OP?
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points.
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players.
All Kespa players are Sc2 gamers now, that's my point. I don't know how much they play on Fish but I don't see how that is relevant concerning the horrible quality of the BW games.
What i meant was they were dropped from teams because of their lower acheivement in their team(some may have their personal problem but i would say whoever dropped from team, i would say they are B teamers). Yes, they are better than some random players on Fish, i don't deny that neither. But why should 'I' watch B teamers game, and manipulated games(yeah, it didn't happen yet, but who knows it won't happen)?
I don't blame you with 'you shouldn't like what Sonic do'. I just said what i thought.
No, what you said was that KeSPA gamers would beat Afreeca gamers 9/10 times NOW. He and many others have refuted that and now you're changing it to something else. Also, why bother watching anything at all if you're afraid of scandal or manipulation lol
On September 12 2012 16:38 Hyeon wrote: It seems what i'm doing here is 'trolling' for you guys, i won't post here anymore. Whoever wants to dispute, PM me. Always welcome.
Have fun all.
Trolling is when the guy trolling knows he's just saying bulllshit. So whoever told you you were trolling thinks you're full of shit. Good riddance.
Last night PC Family and Shoe Farm had a fun bet match! Losing team had its manager pay 100k won to each player of the winning team .. + Show Spoiler [results] +
Sonic should be playing it on his restream if you guys wanna watch I personally saw the third game, which was really good, but haven't seen the rest yet .. busy day T^T
kjwcj is streaming the match right now! It's on G5 at this moment xD
On September 09 2012 19:30 ArvickHero wrote: Well .. how can I help??? So, the best way to show your support to Sonic and other BW Broadcasters is to watch their stream and "Recommend" (give 추천) it (explained in the Afreeca Mobile section below). It'll boost the BJ's ranking, and to more exposure.
How often can we do this? Or is it just a one time thing? I think I did it but the application is so buggy for me that I couldn't get to that thumb the other time around, and I'm getting no picture so I doubt I'll be using it. Can we sign up multiple accounts to recommend it more times?
On September 09 2012 19:30 ArvickHero wrote: Well .. how can I help??? So, the best way to show your support to Sonic and other BW Broadcasters is to watch their stream and "Recommend" (give 추천) it (explained in the Afreeca Mobile section below). It'll boost the BJ's ranking, and to more exposure.
How often can we do this? Or is it just a one time thing? I think I did it but the application is so buggy for me that I couldn't get to that thumb the other time around, and I'm getting no picture so I doubt I'll be using it. Can we sign up multiple accounts to recommend it more times?
once per day per broadcaster .. and yea multiple accounts could work, but I wouldn't go overboard with it hahah, might get banned that way or smth
It seems like Anytime, Mahell and Always have withdrawn from the Starleague and have been replaced accordingly. The mistake with the double Minho was also fixed. Tonight 9PM KST, we have PC Family vs 노친네 Team! I'm not sure what 노친네 translates to, I think it's old man lol
Team Rosters: -PC Family: Hiya(T), Mong(T), beast(Z), Perfectman(P), By.Sw(P)
-노친네 Team (Old Man's Team??): Terror(Z), Cola(Z), 김희경(P)(Female player!), 노친네(Z), 최민수(P)(might be Perry, not sure)
It's another event match with 5k Balloons (500,000 won) on the line .. the format is 5:5, probably All-kill format. Once a team has had 4 of its players killed, it can send in an "ACE player" as their fifth, which can even be a previously sent player.
My take on it? PC Family imba lol. However, if 노친네 Team can get past the deadly Hiya+Mong combo without incurring too many losses, then the rest should be easy. However, one of them is bound to appear as the ACE, so ......
On September 13 2012 19:25 2Pacalypse- wrote: If someone who has access to Afreeca could record the stream and post the VODs on youtube, that would be awesome!
that would be fucking amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please let it happen
PLEASE..
edit : shame that Anytime will not be playing in the league ;((
http://ko.twitch.tv/kjwcj/b/332012013 here's the restream VOD of the fun bet match, not all of the games are there as kjwcj's stream stopped working. The restream starts in the middle of the match, and continues from the start for 2 games, but I think like 2 games inbetween are missing due to the crash? If the remaining matches could be re-streamed, would be sweet.
And yeah, if kjwcj could upload it to the AfreecaBW channel it would be great. I'm gonna pm him to ask and offer help with the cutting and uploading since I could do that for him and he wouldn't have to worry about it... hopefully we can work something out.
On September 13 2012 19:44 Stratos wrote: http://ko.twitch.tv/kjwcj/b/332012013 here's the restream VOD of the fun bet match, not all of the games are there as kjwcj's stream stopped working. The restream starts in the middle of the match, and continues from the start for 2 games, but I think like 2 games inbetween are missing due to the crash? If the remaining matches could be re-streamed, would be sweet.
And yeah, if kjwcj could upload it to the AfreecaBW channel it would be great. I'm gonna pm him to ask and offer help with the cutting and uploading since I could do that for him and he wouldn't have to worry about it... hopefully we can work something out.
On September 13 2012 20:12 Potling wrote: Thanks Stratos, ArvickHero, etc!!
lol I didn't do anything. say thanks to kjwcj
btw. guys, as I discovered this just an hour ago: http://www.youtube.com/user/AfreecaBW/videos?flow=grid&view=1 (it's kjwcj's acc) - most of the vids for Hodduk Starleague (a different BJ, afaik) have like 10 views?! There's a wiki page for this as well as the previous Sonic SL. This wouldn't get much attention back then as pro BW was still running, but now we've got to make sure we promote this thing and make it a common knowledge, not something that a few hardcore fans talk about in long forgotten chat rooms. So everyone try to promote this and help Arvick, especially if you can speak korean. I might try writing a battlereport, and make some highlight vids later on.. everyone should try their best to help out If we can get this on the calendar and have someone restream it, that would be a great start. Anyone who knows the schedule and could restream it live?
On September 13 2012 20:30 Sinedd wrote: TL needs to have kjwcj's streams on featured
seriously
it would (and it should) be so good !
I'm pretty sure it is featured, isn't it? But if someone clueless joins, what does he get? He won't know what it is and why he should watch it unless he asks in the chat. Chances are he's watching Hiya and has no idea, so he switches to another stream. If we can get ro32 on the calendar and have someone's stream attached to it, then it's automatically +double the viewer count at least..
Anyone can add the event to the calendar, but it would be good if we know in advance that someone's restreaming it... since otherwise it doesn't make much sense to add it.
It's 16.9. Ro32 Dual Tournament Group A: Killer, Hiya, Sick[Kal], Ample for anyone interested in restreaming ^^ would be great if you could let us know in advance..
Uploading from Twitch to Youtube is a fairly straightforward process, although the processing can take some time. The best way to do it in my experience is to upload the entire broadcast over then use the built-in editing stuff that Youtube has to split the VOD up into individual games.
If someone trustworthy wants to do this with Twitch VODs from my channel or my old channel and put them on the AfreecaBW account they are more than welcome to do so, just PM me and I'll give you the login details.
On September 13 2012 20:30 Sinedd wrote: TL needs to have kjwcj's streams on featured
seriously
it would (and it should) be so good !
I'm pretty sure it is featured, isn't it? But if someone clueless joins, what does he get? He won't know what it is and why he should watch it unless he asks in the chat. Chances are he's watching Hiya and has no idea, so he switches to another stream. If we can get ro32 on the calendar and have someone's stream attached to it, then it's automatically +double the viewer count at least..
Anyone can add the event to the calendar, but it would be good if we know in advance that someone's restreaming it... since otherwise it doesn't make much sense to add it.
It's 16.9. Ro32 Dual Tournament Group A: Killer, Hiya, Sick[Kal], Ample for anyone interested in restreaming ^^ would be great if you could let us know in advance..
On September 13 2012 19:25 2Pacalypse- wrote: If someone who has access to Afreeca could record the stream and post the VODs on youtube, that would be awesome!
I was going to go restream yesterday, but it has been a while since I have used Afreeca and my proxies no longer work
Hopefully once I figure everything out I will be able to restream. If anyone knows of a reliable VPN or VPS that I could use, plz let me know.
Still, the maybe most important question remains, how can one contribute monetarily to this? If there was a way to contribute directly to this I'd gladly throw some money in (that's what a fat old office-dwelling westerner can do to help) and hopefully I'm not alone. After all, most people are, borrowing a term from the discussion above, "money whores" to some extent (we all got to eat occasionally...), so prize money is probably the key to sharpening competition and improving the level of play. If there is enough incentive for players dedicate even more to practice, and maybe even some other good old players to join, the rest may take care of itself. Time is important though, eventually people will move on (no point in beinge delusional) and then there will definetely be no way back.
Can someone closer to the action try to initiate some means to do just that? For a start I guess something informal (e.g. random Paypal account) would do, as long as we know the money are earmarked for that.
Yeah, I think we should try to get in contact with Sonic and maybe donate some money (to increase his prize pool) in exchange for all VODs of the games on youtube
On September 13 2012 19:33 2Pacalypse- wrote: Anytime noooooo
Do you know a reason he withdrawn?
Not sure, but he hasn't been active lately anyways .. so probably he felt the spot was better left to someone else? Either way, it's a damn shame :/
On September 13 2012 22:55 Potling wrote: I think a list of AKAs would be useful, since it seems every player uses a different name ingame.
Yea, I'll get to work on that sometime hahah
On September 14 2012 03:14 svullo wrote: Still, the maybe most important question remains, how can one contribute monetarily to this? If there was a way to contribute directly to this I'd gladly throw some money in (that's what a fat old office-dwelling westerner can do to help) and hopefully I'm not alone. After all, most people are, borrowing a term from the discussion above, "money whores" to some extent (we all got to eat occasionally...), so prize money is probably the key to sharpening competition and improving the level of play. If there is enough incentive for players dedicate even more to practice, and maybe even some other good old players to join, the rest may take care of itself. Time is important though, eventually people will move on (no point in beinge delusional) and then there will definetely be no way back.
Can someone closer to the action try to initiate some means to do just that? For a start I guess something informal (e.g. random Paypal account) would do, as long as we know the money are earmarked for that.
On September 14 2012 04:44 2Pacalypse- wrote: Yeah, I think we should try to get in contact with Sonic and maybe donate some money (to increase his prize pool) in exchange for all VODs of the games on youtube
hmmm maybe someone (not me) can get in contact w/ Sonic about donating a small sum for sponsorship money .. but honestly, I don't think that Sonic is in a huge need for money from the foreigner scene .. instead I think that some of that money could be better used to help grow the foreign scene ;p PC Family vs 노친네 Team results. Can always catch it on rerun! + Show Spoiler +
1Set: [FS] (T)Mong > (P)노강호 (no idea who the fuck this is) 2Set: [FS] (T)Mong > (P)Perry 3Set: [FS] (T)Mong > (P)요미(Female gamer) 4Set: [FS] (T)Mong > (Z)Cola 5Set: [FS] (T)Mong < (Z)Cola[ACE] 6Set: [FS] (Z)Beast < (Z)Cola[ACE] 7Set: [FS] (P)By.sw > (Z)Cola[ACE]
PC Family (5:2) 노친네 Team
PC Family imba
Also, further details about the 7th Sonic Starleague: Ro32 Maps:
1. Neo Jade 2. Neo Electric Circuit 3. Fighting Spirit
Ro16 Maps:
4. Wind and Cloud (one of the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream) 5. New Sniper Ridge
I tried recording one of the games and my computer just shut down during the process of saving it .. @_@
I don't think my computer is strong enough to be able to record .. I set the FPS to 40 but the highest it would go up to during recording was 24 or so ... and sometimes it would dip down to as low as 5 :/ How can I keep the recording FPS rate up high?? I closed almost everything else .. do I need a stronger computer ..? :[
I was using Camtasia studio version 4.0.2 .. should I be using something else?
owtf I just recovered it and saved it but watching it .. like the video is super sped up or something and totally out of sync w/ the audio .. :[
On September 14 2012 11:49 ArvickHero wrote: omg holy shit
I tried recording one of the games and my computer just shut down during the process of saving it .. @_@
I don't think my computer is strong enough to be able to record .. I set the FPS to 40 but the highest it would go up to during recording was 24 or so ... and sometimes it would dip down to as low as 5 :/ How can I keep the recording FPS rate up high?? I closed almost everything else .. do I need a stronger computer ..? :[
I was using Camtasia studio version 4.0.2 .. should I be using something else?
owtf I just recovered it and saved it but watching it .. like the video is super sped up or something and totally out of sync w/ the audio .. :[
I think most bw streamers put their fps at 24 fps since bw is such an old game so a higher fps (40? o.o) is kind of unnecessary.
On September 14 2012 11:49 ArvickHero wrote: omg holy shit
I tried recording one of the games and my computer just shut down during the process of saving it .. @_@
I don't think my computer is strong enough to be able to record .. I set the FPS to 40 but the highest it would go up to during recording was 24 or so ... and sometimes it would dip down to as low as 5 :/ How can I keep the recording FPS rate up high?? I closed almost everything else .. do I need a stronger computer ..? :[
I was using Camtasia studio version 4.0.2 .. should I be using something else?
owtf I just recovered it and saved it but watching it .. like the video is super sped up or something and totally out of sync w/ the audio .. :[
I think most bw streamers put their fps at 24 fps since bw is such an old game so a higher fps (40? o.o) is kind of unnecessary.
that's not true at all. it's just because most bw streamers have shithouse computers and that's the ebst they can handle
On September 13 2012 20:12 Potling wrote: Thanks Stratos, ArvickHero, etc!!
lol I didn't do anything. say thanks to kjwcj
btw. guys, as I discovered this just an hour ago: http://www.youtube.com/user/AfreecaBW/videos?flow=grid&view=1 (it's kjwcj's acc) - most of the vids for Hodduk Starleague (a different BJ, afaik) have like 10 views?! There's a wiki page for this as well as the previous Sonic SL. This wouldn't get much attention back then as pro BW was still running, but now we've got to make sure we promote this thing and make it a common knowledge, not something that a few hardcore fans talk about in long forgotten chat rooms. So everyone try to promote this and help Arvick, especially if you can speak korean. I might try writing a battlereport, and make some highlight vids later on.. everyone should try their best to help out If we can get this on the calendar and have someone restream it, that would be a great start. Anyone who knows the schedule and could restream it live?
I actually commented on Nukes videos. He said that he *might* do commentary if the league seems interesting. I mean thats a step towards the right direction he is pretty popular for our standards.
On September 14 2012 11:49 ArvickHero wrote: omg holy shit
I tried recording one of the games and my computer just shut down during the process of saving it .. @_@
I don't think my computer is strong enough to be able to record .. I set the FPS to 40 but the highest it would go up to during recording was 24 or so ... and sometimes it would dip down to as low as 5 :/ How can I keep the recording FPS rate up high?? I closed almost everything else .. do I need a stronger computer ..? :[
I was using Camtasia studio version 4.0.2 .. should I be using something else?
owtf I just recovered it and saved it but watching it .. like the video is super sped up or something and totally out of sync w/ the audio .. :[
I think most bw streamers put their fps at 24 fps since bw is such an old game so a higher fps (40? o.o) is kind of unnecessary.
that's not true at all. it's just because most bw streamers have shithouse computers and that's the ebst they can handle
No, Brood War on Fastest runs at 24 FPS, so there's no point running it higher.
Ok guys, so updated Ro32 Dual Tournament groups .. apparently the one I posted before was actually just a player list, and not the groups lol Group A) BJ서문지훈 (Minus)zelot) Pusan Mong force[name]
Group B) Hiya Cola minus)eagle StarCue
Group C) Killer AsiaSin[ScM] Terror Perfectman
Group D) Zergman BJ프발 (Minus)mighty) Sky Shinee
Group E) Minho Sexy 김규회 Saber
Group F) 강태완 beast BJ온돌 Icarus
Group G) Sick[Kal] Ample Larva 최민수
Group H) Soma[kal] koala LYH NtO'Smile
notes: Not entirely sure who BJ서문지훈 and BJ프발, but I deduced that they are probably minus)zelot and minus)mighty. Rest of the untranslated names idk, so if you know let me know!
Also, Sonic released ANOTHER calender (jesus). This time I have taken some time to translate it: Notes: Ro32 Dual tournament stage is split into 2 days. I'm not certain, but it seems that the first day will play the 1/2/winners/losers games, and the second day will play the Final game. Keep in mind that these are all Bo3.
10/7 I'm not sure what it's supposed to be. I guess they pick their opponents? We'll see ..
Public = offline broadcast at Sonic's studio/office
I assume Proleague Exhibitions will be a lot like the last two matches we saw .. hopefully with a lot less PCFamily winning
Mong Gun +_+ so awesome. There was a jat clan internal(?) team battle with a prize pool of 500k won. I saw a couple including parts of a mong vs pusan game where mong lost :O
On September 15 2012 08:24 PiPoGevy wrote: How you guys watching again, and dont say afreeca on mobile because mine deadset just lags like an ass
I use afreeca mobile :/ its a good idea to use it when the amount of ppl on afreeca is very low. I'm able to watch sonic's restream on a 3g connection with almost no buffers
Hi, i'm having troubles in step of registration I filled all the fields, and all seems to be ok, but when i check the box to finish appears that :/ Also, beside where i enter mi ID appears this in orange: "사용할 수 있는 아이디 입니다." Anyone can help me please? I really want to see all those amazing games *_* Thanks in advance
On September 17 2012 02:53 rupp_lekkens wrote: Hi, i'm having troubles in step of registration I filled all the fields, and all seems to be ok, but when i check the box to finish appears that :/ Also, beside where i enter mi ID appears this in orange: "사용할 수 있는 아이디 입니다." Anyone can help me please? I really want to see all those amazing games *_* Thanks in advance
basically it means you aren't putting the correct captcha. And the text you are getting by your ID is saying ur doing fine so dont worry haha
I registered myself at afreeca, but then tried to login and it's giving me some sort of error. I don't have korean keyboard functionality so the error is just some squares in a box... help?
I've gotten something, is this the player? But I don't know what to click to find some brood war. I found something in the right box where bw was shown, but then it opens a new small black window with a button at the right bottom with a link to downloading something of the player and silverlight, but I've already downloaded that...
On September 17 2012 02:53 rupp_lekkens wrote: Hi, i'm having troubles in step of registration I filled all the fields, and all seems to be ok, but when i check the box to finish appears that :/ Also, beside where i enter mi ID appears this in orange: "사용할 수 있는 아이디 입니다." Anyone can help me please? I really want to see all those amazing games *_* Thanks in advance
basically it means you aren't putting the correct captcha. And the text you are getting by your ID is saying ur doing fine so dont worry haha
Thanks! But I tried with different captchas and nothing same message. ;;
On September 17 2012 02:53 rupp_lekkens wrote: Hi, i'm having troubles in step of registration I filled all the fields, and all seems to be ok, but when i check the box to finish appears that :/ Also, beside where i enter mi ID appears this in orange: "사용할 수 있는 아이디 입니다." Anyone can help me please? I really want to see all those amazing games *_* Thanks in advance
basically it means you aren't putting the correct captcha. And the text you are getting by your ID is saying ur doing fine so dont worry haha
Thanks! But I tried with different captchas and nothing same message. ;;
hmm well I'm not sure then :/ sorry .. ;;;
On September 17 2012 03:39 wcr.4fun wrote: I registered myself at afreeca, but then tried to login and it's giving me some sort of error. I don't have korean keyboard functionality so the error is just some squares in a box... help?
I've gotten something, is this the player? But I don't know what to click to find some brood war. I found something in the right box where bw was shown, but then it opens a new small black window with a button at the right bottom with a link to downloading something of the player and silverlight, but I've already downloaded that...
On September 17 2012 03:39 wcr.4fun wrote: I registered myself at afreeca, but then tried to login and it's giving me some sort of error. I don't have korean keyboard functionality so the error is just some squares in a box... help?
I've gotten something, is this the player? But I don't know what to click to find some brood war. I found something in the right box where bw was shown, but then it opens a new small black window with a button at the right bottom with a link to downloading something of the player and silverlight, but I've already downloaded that...
regardless of korean keyboard functionality browsers usually show korean text.. what might work is if you find the encoding tab for your browser and set it to korean?
Hello just wanted to say sonic posted on his afreeca page saying Sonic Starleague will now be streamed live on afreeca and twitch.tv at the same time so that it is more easily accessible for the foreign viewers. go sonic!!!!
On September 19 2012 00:33 JohnChoi wrote: Hello just wanted to say sonic posted on his afreeca page saying Sonic Starleague will now be streamed live on afreeca and twitch.tv at the same time so that it is more easily accessible for the foreign viewers. go sonic!!!!
That is the best news I've heard all month, but you really need to add a link to his twitch channel! I guess maybe he has not made it yet, so maybe he just intends to.
On September 19 2012 00:56 Chef wrote: That is the best news I've heard all month, but you really need to add a link to his twitch channel! I guess maybe he has not made it yet, so maybe he just intends to.
Is it clear whether or not he is going to set it up to record broadcasts/VODs on twitch? The only issue I can see with this is that if he doesn't do that, tuning in for 6 hours at whatever odd ball time is probably not realistic for foreigners (the ones that are not NEETs anyway lol).
(well, 6 hours was only because of the complications in group A... but 3 hours in the middle of the night is not that classy)
On September 19 2012 01:05 Chef wrote: Is it clear whether or not he is going to set it up to record broadcasts/VODs on twitch? The only issue I can see with this is that if he doesn't do that, tuning in for 6 hours at whatever odd ball time is probably not realistic for foreigners (the ones that are not NEETs anyway lol).
(well, 6 hours was only because of the complications in group A... but 3 hours in the middle of the night is not that classy)
Until Sonic uploads his VODs (which he has promised, but the timeframe is not clear), I will do my best to upload them onto youtube through our restreamers. Keep an eye out for the SSL thread second post, where I will be compiling the results and VODs.
These next 4 days guys .. ah man its gonna be busy lol
On September 19 2012 00:33 JohnChoi wrote: Hello just wanted to say sonic posted on his afreeca page saying Sonic Starleague will now be streamed live on afreeca and twitch.tv at the same time so that it is more easily accessible for the foreign viewers. go sonic!!!!
http://www.twitch.tv/sogoodtt ia definitely his stream. Looks like he'll need to fix aspect ratio tho. It was a little stretched before, but how it is ... ehhh.
;;;; I just translate here, no need to give me that much praise .. Sonic is definitely deserving, but so are the foreigner BW tournament organizers/casters .. Eywa, Game, Torenhire, Sayle, Hackle, etc.... they deserve a lot more praise than I do
On September 19 2012 21:59 Chef wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/sogoodtt ia definitely his stream. Looks like he'll need to fix aspect ratio tho. It was a little stretched before, but how it is ... ehhh.
yea he def needs to fix it D: his stream looks so much better on Afreeca lol ..
On September 19 2012 21:55 Potling wrote: Sonic and ArvickHero shall be remembered as the saviors of BW. Wait, that didn't come out right x.x
hahahaha
Oh and arvick don't be so unselfish (lack of better word). Translators and people bringing stuff from korea to the foreign scene were always important pillars of teamliquid.
On September 19 2012 21:55 Potling wrote: Sonic and ArvickHero shall be remembered as the saviors of BW. Wait, that didn't come out right x.x
hahahaha
Oh and arvick don't be so unselfish (lack of better word). Translators and people bringing stuff from korea to the foreign scene were always important pillars of teamliquid.
On September 19 2012 23:19 Kiante wrote: what did he stream that got him banned?
apparently restreamed 1a2a3a[fou] casting a football match.
How do the DMCA people know? What they have espionage scouring around for restreams or whatnot? BGVRT isn't even that big of channel! Are these people really that good?
On September 19 2012 22:31 Cambium wrote: <3 SonicTV
This is SOGOOD
Yeah, he still needs to fix his stream aspect ratio but just the fact that he's on twitch is so fantastic, I love it. Watching todays games was so much fun.
On September 19 2012 23:19 Kiante wrote: what did he stream that got him banned?
apparently restreamed 1a2a3a[fou] casting a football match.
How do the DMCA people know? What they have espionage scouring around for restreams or whatnot? BGVRT isn't even that big of channel! Are these people really that good?
Apparently you can change the aspect ratio of the stream in afreeca. I don't know how but I saw Hiya watching the SSL in 4:3 aspect ratio. Maybe right click on the stream to bring out the settings?
Bluestacks is still in beta, so I can't guarantee it working well. I did say that it seemed to have problems, especially w/ the video. Though, apparently for a few others it works fine. Hopefully, it'll be fixed within the coming year but for now we have to bear w/ what we can get .. sorry :/
On September 09 2012 23:06 Nazza wrote: Nah Saviour was all like "man who plays 2D games in this day and age anymore, we should grow up" on his stream before so screw him.
Of all the things that Savior has done, this is where you draw the line? lol
On September 19 2012 23:19 Kiante wrote: what did he stream that got him banned?
apparently restreamed 1a2a3a[fou] casting a football match.
How do the DMCA people know? What they have espionage scouring around for restreams or whatnot? BGVRT isn't even that big of channel! Are these people really that good?
Most are automated. I think it checks the audio/video or something.
Others are done individually through thegunrun (i.e. OSL finals DCMA bans)
Thanks a bunch! I'm actually supposed to be studying, but after watching the first game of Terror vs KangTaeWan it kinda feels like school can wait for bit longer :p -- assuming that the rest of that set is as awesome as the first game, of course. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the build Terror went for... it definitely made for an interesting game, that much I'm sure of ^^
Thanks a bunch! I'm actually supposed to be studying, but after watching the first game of Terror vs KangTaeWan it kinda feels like school can wait for bit longer :p -- assuming that the rest of that set is as awesome as the first game, of course. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the build Terror went for... it definitely made for an interesting game, that much I'm sure of ^^
loool yea game 3 is def very interesting too
VODs for Group G! Featuring our resident ex-SKT insane zerg Larva, ex-Flash-disciple Ample, the rank1 fish protoss Perry, and the SOSPA Rank 20 amateur Protoss player He)Jy!
If sonic would allow some donation to help out with the afreeca scene I think we could set up the fund to keep this league running . Don't mind paying for more high level broodwar.....
On September 25 2012 10:03 Sawamura wrote: If sonic would allow some donation to help out with the afreeca scene I think we could set up the fund to keep this league running . Don't mind paying for more high level broodwar.....
Funding is secured already lol dont worry about it. Sonic during the Group G broadcast hinted at having already secured another sponsor for his next Starleague, with a bigger budget.
IMO best way to support is to just give SonicTV a daily "Recommendation/추천", through your mobile phone, Bluestacks or whatever lol.
VODs are now up! Actually they were up since like an hour ago or so, but I wanted to wait until the video edits were done processing lol. Again, many thanks to Golondrin for making the LR, and to bgvrtb for streaming the main broadcast, and for all those who watched and chatted and posted in the LR
Group H features ex-MBC progamer Terran Koala, popular Protoss amateur LYH, the ever self-loathing Zerg Mahell, and the Zerg sitting in last place of the SOSPA rankings, Soma[Kal]! Enjoy the games, there are some very interesting strategies showcased :D
Now don't let the lack of SSL events on the TL calender fool you! On 9/27, two days from now, we'll be having the Group A/B Final match to determine who is the last of each group to make it into the Ro16! Featuring rematches between Mong vs Minus)ZeLoT and Perfectman vs beast, will players get their revenge, or will there be a continued dominance from the other? Don't miss these Bo5 matches folks
Once Sonic posts details about time and map order, I will submit it to the calender (so probably the day of like 8 hours before the games begin lol). Maybe we'll see the new map Wind and Cloud in play?? :D
Okay, having trouble registering. I fill everything out, click the blue button, and...nothing. It acts like the page is processing something for a few seconds and then just stops.
None of the forms are reset, and no errors appear, it just does nothing.
Just submitted tonight's event to the calender, but it may take some time to show up .. tonight is the Group A/B Final match! Sonic didn't specify a time, but I'm just going to assume its 9pm or 21:00KST.
For those of you who don't know, the Ro32 was played in a Dual Tournament format, split over two days. The First, Second, Winners and Losers match have all already been played before. So tonight, we'll have the final match of Groups A and B to determine who advances to the Offline Ro16, and who is knocked out for good.
Can Mong get his revenge from what he suspected was a stream-cheating Minus)ZeLoT, or will Minus)ZeLoT prove that his 2-0 over Mong was no simple fluke? Between Beast and Perfectman, which of these two ex-Oz players can prove themselves superior?
On September 26 2012 12:29 L_Master wrote: Okay, having trouble registering. I fill everything out, click the blue button, and...nothing. It acts like the page is processing something for a few seconds and then just stops.
None of the forms are reset, and no errors appear, it just does nothing.
Stab in the dark since i haven´t done it my self but many korean web pages are based on IE, and stuff doesnt work sometimes with other browsers. Could maybe be the issue?
Now You can enjoy this broadcasting using android smartphone. afreecaTV is released today on google play. go and get this fabulous app to watch every live stream.
On September 27 2012 22:28 afreecaTV wrote: Now You can enjoy this broadcasting using android smartphone. afreecaTV is released today on google play. go and get this fabulous app to watch every live stream.
it's been out for awhile.... I've been using it for a long time now.
On September 27 2012 22:28 afreecaTV wrote: Now You can enjoy this broadcasting using android smartphone. afreecaTV is released today on google play. go and get this fabulous app to watch every live stream.
edit I misread thinking it was an app for pc user to watch afreecaTv .....
According to Bgvrt Afreeca is open to foreigners now. People in his chat were reporting that it works all you have to do is install afreeca tv player(uncheck spyware boxes)
huh o,o i guess it might be working but it's still too laggy for me to view anything... if it's working though it might mean a few more restreamers maybe?
edit: might be able to watch some vods, brb stalking random girls
On September 28 2012 03:51 MicrowaveMess wrote: According to Bgvrt Afreeca is open to foreigners now. People in his chat were reporting that it works all you have to do is install afreeca tv player(uncheck spyware boxes)
On a side note Movie was streaming.
wow, really? If this works that would be awesome, because my old proxy doesn't work anymore and I am too lazy to look for a new one.
yeah I'm able to watch a restream of the mong vs minus)zelot series right now on the afreeca player and I just made an account/downloaded the player; funny how sonic's stream (sogoodtt) is on the front page of afreeca "인기방송 LIVE " or POPULAR LIVE. Though it took maybe 3 tries to load sonic's stream successfully. Was also able to see a random LoL stream and one of the 100000000 afreeca qt streams.
Also the afreeca player you set to 4:3 so don't have to see it in 16 anymore (some of the restreams have it at that).
heheh, good to hear that Afreeca's opened up. I'll be posting up a similar guide to Afreeca web player like I did w/ Afreeca mobile player .. within maybe a few days or so.
Group A/B Final match was fun! I would like to thank snipealot for providing streams during the event, Kororo for providing me a highquality stream to use for Youtube uploads, Golondrin once again for making the LR thread, and to all those who watch, chat and post in the LR thread!
Sorry this took a while (partly because of school ~_~) but its finally up. Youtube VODs!
NOTE: Mong had friends over while he was playing. The possibility of stream cheating through them could not be ruled out, so a regame of the series was called.
Mong vs Minus)ZeLoT was really good, especially game 1 was pretty intense. After all of this, I would give Minus)ZeLoT a new nickname + Show Spoiler +
Regame Zerg hahah, guy played like 17 games in the Ro32 because of regames?
Now, SSL is going on break for 6 days due to Korean Thanksgiving .. so that's the perfect opportunity to catch up on VODs! If you haven't seen some of these games yet, check them out! Lotsofgreatgames, some interestingstrategies, and a smattering of hilariousBM!
Tell your friends, spread the word that Korean BW is alive and kicking .. All of the VODs are here in this Youtube channel .. enjoy!!
Is there a list complied anywhere of the various names that all the Korean BJs use?
In other words when I go to afreeca page for live starcraft streams. I see names like jou1025, sogoodtt (who I happen to know is sonic), aisiteru99, sereniss87, etc. I have no idea if these guys are good, bad, medium, or top level players.
I've seen lists for what names they use of fish, but never noticed on for what their BJ ID or channel name is.
On September 29 2012 02:09 L_Master wrote: Is there a list complied anywhere of the various names that all the Korean BJs use?
In other words when I go to afreeca page for live starcraft streams. I see names like jou1025, sogoodtt (who I happen to know is sonic), aisiteru99, sereniss87, etc. I have no idea if these guys are good, bad, medium, or top level players.
I've seen lists for what names they use of fish, but never noticed on for what their BJ ID or channel name is.
On September 29 2012 02:09 L_Master wrote: Is there a list complied anywhere of the various names that all the Korean BJs use?
In other words when I go to afreeca page for live starcraft streams. I see names like jou1025, sogoodtt (who I happen to know is sonic), aisiteru99, sereniss87, etc. I have no idea if these guys are good, bad, medium, or top level players.
I've seen lists for what names they use of fish, but never noticed on for what their BJ ID or channel name is.
This is really awesome. Can someone make a guide on using the Afreeca player? I didn't check any of the checkboxes in the installer (afraid of malware), but right now I can only watch Afreeca in a browser and I don't have fullscreen mode or a sound slider (or comments for that matter), Is there a way to watch recordings? Like the VODs on Twitch? I'd really appreciate Hiya FPVODs
On September 29 2012 06:38 fazek42 wrote: This is really awesome. Can someone make a guide on using the Afreeca player? I didn't check any of the checkboxes in the installer (afraid of malware), but right now I can only watch Afreeca in a browser and I don't have fullscreen mode or a sound slider (or comments for that matter), Is there a way to watch recordings? Like the VODs on Twitch? I'd really appreciate Hiya FPVODs
lol I had planned on making the a small guide to web browser Afreeca, but considering how school just started for me and how busy this week is, I'm sorry to see that it'll have to wait until the weekend ><
But here's a couple of translation notes that I'm sure you guys will find useful
-near the bottom right of the stream window, you'll notice like 6 buttons. The middle two, "추천" and "즐찾" are "recommend" and "bookmark". The first one will help boost the ranking of the broadcaster (you can give once a day per broadcaster) and the second will add that broadcast to your favorites list.
-The rightmost box, the broadcast list box, has normally two tabs (three if you searched smth but w/e about that). The one on the right, "즐겨찾기" is your favorites list. It'll only show the ones that are online atm, the offline ones you can see on your favorite list on the afreeca website.
On October 02 2012 20:33 quuad wrote: Did I miss something, has Movie and/or Tyson retired? Or are they actually playing BW in addition to their SC2 training?
i think they are both retired im a 100% sure on tyson cus he himself said it on stream
On October 02 2012 20:33 quuad wrote: Did I miss something, has Movie and/or Tyson retired? Or are they actually playing BW in addition to their SC2 training?
i think they are both retired im a 100% sure on tyson cus he himself said it on stream
Movie as well. Most likely because they both couldn't negotiate new contracts with T8. That or T8 could be disbanding, but most likely the former though, as Movie and Tyson sucked at SC2 (Tyson didn't even play one game last season).
On October 02 2012 20:33 quuad wrote: Did I miss something, has Movie and/or Tyson retired? Or are they actually playing BW in addition to their SC2 training?
i think they are both retired im a 100% sure on tyson cus he himself said it on stream
Movie as well. Most likely because they both couldn't negotiate new contracts with T8. That or T8 could be disbanding, but most likely the former though, as Movie and Tyson sucked at SC2 (Tyson didn't even play one game last season).
sad and awesome at the same time !
I hope that both Movie and Tyson are gonna play in a lot of korean leagues !!! :D
On October 02 2012 20:33 quuad wrote: Did I miss something, has Movie and/or Tyson retired? Or are they actually playing BW in addition to their SC2 training?
i think they are both retired im a 100% sure on tyson cus he himself said it on stream
Movie as well. Most likely because they both couldn't negotiate new contracts with T8. That or T8 could be disbanding, but most likely the former though, as Movie and Tyson sucked at SC2 (Tyson didn't even play one game last season).
also when tyson had his cam up he was saying he didnt really like sc2. he described it as just two ppl building up a huge army ball and whoever wins that fight ends up winning the game :/
On October 03 2012 09:35 zanderfever.TV wrote: If anybody can give me access to a korean afreeca account I can do some restreaming of it for everybody
I don't think you need a korean account anymore. You can just make a normal account. It's open to foreigners now.
The gift certificate thing is down, so I got a korean VPN. But I cant read korean so its hard to make an account :/
You don't need an account to watch in the first place. You don't need VPN either as you can freely watch Afreeca as a foreigner. All you have to do is download Microsoft Silverlight and then Afreeca.
On October 03 2012 09:35 zanderfever.TV wrote: If anybody can give me access to a korean afreeca account I can do some restreaming of it for everybody
I don't think you need a korean account anymore. You can just make a normal account. It's open to foreigners now.
The gift certificate thing is down, so I got a korean VPN. But I cant read korean so its hard to make an account :/
You don't need an account to watch in the first place. You don't need VPN either as you can freely watch Afreeca as a foreigner. All you have to do is download Microsoft Silverlight and then Afreeca.
On October 03 2012 09:35 zanderfever.TV wrote: If anybody can give me access to a korean afreeca account I can do some restreaming of it for everybody
I don't think you need a korean account anymore. You can just make a normal account. It's open to foreigners now.
The gift certificate thing is down, so I got a korean VPN. But I cant read korean so its hard to make an account :/
You don't need an account to watch in the first place. You don't need VPN either as you can freely watch Afreeca as a foreigner. All you have to do is download Microsoft Silverlight and then Afreeca.
Wait, I have it. I jsut tried to download it and it said it was already installed.
On October 03 2012 09:35 zanderfever.TV wrote: If anybody can give me access to a korean afreeca account I can do some restreaming of it for everybody
I don't think you need a korean account anymore. You can just make a normal account. It's open to foreigners now.
The gift certificate thing is down, so I got a korean VPN. But I cant read korean so its hard to make an account :/
You don't need an account to watch in the first place. You don't need VPN either as you can freely watch Afreeca as a foreigner. All you have to do is downloahaha d Microsoft Silverlight and then Afreeca.
Wait, I have it. I jsut tried to download it and it said it was already installed.
haha ya it should work fine! im watching cola stomp ppl on the recently reset fish ladder XD
On October 03 2012 09:35 zanderfever.TV wrote: If anybody can give me access to a korean afreeca account I can do some restreaming of it for everybody
I don't think you need a korean account anymore. You can just make a normal account. It's open to foreigners now.
The gift certificate thing is down, so I got a korean VPN. But I cant read korean so its hard to make an account :/
You don't need an account to watch in the first place. You don't need VPN either as you can freely watch Afreeca as a foreigner. All you have to do is downloahaha d Microsoft Silverlight and then Afreeca.
Wait, I have it. I jsut tried to download it and it said it was already installed.
haha ya it should work fine! im watching cola stomp ppl on the recently reset fish ladder XD
damn im watching 5 days now and not even once saw him play or beast...
Apparently Afreeca has an english website and an english player now, thanks to LoL. I haven't checked it out myself, but you guys are free to verify this. There's also a new SOSPA ranking up, but I won't have time to translate that until the weekend.
http://www.livestream.com/modesty/video?clipId=pla_516de813-452f-4542-a24c-9992b4c05f77 (Cola up to 1:45:00 or so) http://www.twitch.tv/akskdsl/b/334403793 (Eagle 9:45-23:00 or so)
I would like to thank Sawamura for making the LR Thread, Modesty00 for streaming, and everyone else who watched and participated Apparently, at least several ppl have voiced some concern about the aspect ratio which I record/upload the VODs to Youtube. Sonic's stream is automatically set to 16: 9, but can be toggled to 4:3. I had simply assumed 16: 9 was the correct aspect ratio by default, but there is some argument about it.
I recorded a small test VOD where it toggles between the 16: 9 and 4:3 over a minute or so. You can view it here.
For the sake of consistency, I won't be changing the aspect ratio for the rest of the Ro32, but I'll consider it for the Ro16 and onwards. What will it be guys? 16: 9 or 4:3?
And finally, tonight is the story of the Second Chance!
In both Groups E and F, Hint and Ondol were undoubtedly the weakest of each group, and failed to net any wins each. However, by divine intervention or what not, both have been given a second chance to advance from the Ro32 that they otherwise would have not had.
It's undeniable that Sexy and KangTaeWan are the heavy favorites against their respective opponents. But, with more than a week's worth of preparation and the motivation fueled from gaining that lucky second chance, anything can happen! Tonight, 9PM KST, Groups E and F Final Match!!
VODS This took much longer than expected, but it's finally done. VODs for Groups E, F, G and H. Trying to record all of this was .. rather stressful, due to buffering, but I got it down to a minimum sorta. Too many epic games made this hard to record lol, great series means more work for me ;P hahah
Thank you to Sawamura for making the LR threads, and to Modesty, Cedstick and bgvrtb for live streaming. Thanks to all those who watch and participate in chat and LR, it really makes it enjoyable. And of course, thank you to Epoxide for keeping Liquipedia up to date. You guys are great SOSPA PROLEAGUE Now, SSL goes on break until this Friday, but don't let that get you down .. We've got SOSPA Proleague Exhibition matches this Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday!
How the hell is this gonna work? I DUNNO :D This is what I'm guessing:
Probably similar format to before, where it's 5v5 or 6v6 Allkill format with an ACE card.
Will probably include some form of stake, last time it was 5000 Balloons (500k Won) bet match.
Most likely 9PM KST
Details will probably be announced only 8-12 hours prior to the event, so keep an eye on the calender.
Now, considering how I have school now and how time consuming SSL has been, I have decided that I will not obligate myself to record these matches, nor wake up for them. This is for the sake of my own sanity and energy .. However, I will translate details when they come up, and I will submit it to the calender.
If someone presents me satisfactory recordings (minimal buffering, no overlays, complete VOD), I will take time to organize and upload them to Youtube. But I will not go out of my way to stream the games myself for recording purposes.
Should be sick SSL Ro16 Finally, the Offline Ro16 Groups were made. They areeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:
A : Pusan, Icarus, Larva, Soma
B : Mong, Perfectman, Shinee, Saber
C : Killer, Hiya, Hint, KTW
D : Cola, Sky, Ample, Koala
The map order is Neo Jade, Neo Electric Circuit, and New Sniper Ridge. Bo3.
This may raise a few questions and confusion. What about Bo5? What about Wind and Cloud? Well .. I dunno either. Sonic is very vague on the details, and I have no idea how this is gonna work. Hell, I'm not even sure about the format .. I think its Dual tournament styled format again. We'll find out more concrete details by Friday at the very latest. POLL Finally, just to repost this Poll because we still have a ways away from the Ro16. Vote on how the Ro16 onwards will be recorded! A test example VOD here.
On October 02 2012 20:33 quuad wrote: Did I miss something, has Movie and/or Tyson retired? Or are they actually playing BW in addition to their SC2 training?
i think they are both retired im a 100% sure on tyson cus he himself said it on stream
I recall Ryo saying that there were rumours about Movie retiring not too long ago. So the rumours were right all along.
I'm definitely gonna watch Yeong Hwa with the new open Afreeca.
I made my afreeca account a long time time ago but when I login and view a stream it won't let me chat.. apparently I have to activate my account of some sort?
On October 07 2012 13:06 Sephy90 wrote: I made my afreeca account a long time time ago but when I login and view a stream it won't let me chat.. apparently I have to activate my account of some sort?
Yes, you need to send in a picture ID of sort like a drivers license. Not sure about the specifics since I haven't done it myself.
Getting your account set up to be able to chat is a real pain. I've contacted afreeca multiple times providing passports, drivers licences and my alien registration card. I still can't chat.
On October 07 2012 20:21 snipealot wrote: Getting your account set up to be able to chat is a real pain. I've contacted afreeca multiple times providing passports, drivers licences and my alien registration card. I still can't chat.
You need dna test, please do not forget that you need to fill a special application to the STM Korean Government, also to prevent any terrorist attack you need to register to the special korean homeland security agency known as KHSA, there you will have to pass some IQ test, they will also put a probe under your skin. After all that just create an account on Afreeca, plug and play.
If this wasn't helpful i really don't know what could be :/ ....
First off, go to the website afreeca.com. Making an account is recommended, but not necessary. Click on the circle highlighted to launch the web player. If this is your first time, say yes to downloading the program/plugin. During the installation, you can uncheck everything since spam is bad.
The image should be self-explanatory You can customize it by clicking on the top rightmost button, which I forgot to highlight. That, in itself, should be self-explanatory too.
First, click on the highlighted button, 게임. Once selected, it should roll down even more options. You want to click on the one I have highlighted, 스타. And there we go, all the Starcraft streams.
Find the search bar, highlighted in the picture. With this method, you can be more specific with your search. Type in whatever. In this case, I plugged in Sonic's Afreeca ID "sogoodtt". Some other popular streams are "h78rt" (Killer) "aiseiteru99" (Hiya) "cksgmldbs" (Mong), etc etc. If you typed it in correctly and they're online, you should get a result like this. Notice how of the 3 results, there's one w/ a different view count. That's a "Relay Room", which is created when a broadcaster's room is full. You can use this search method to find a broadcaster's relay room when their main room is full.
So you wanna watch the broadcast, but you don't know what to click. There are three different things you can click Clicking on the image to the left will initiate the broadcast. Once you click on it, the Broadcast window should go black and start loading. Ads need to load before you can watch a stream, and it can take a looooooooooong time to load. Make sure you have ad-block turned off.
The two buttons highlighted on the bottom do two different things. The left button will take you to the BJ's home page. The right button will give you 3 more options: -Top button is "Pop-up" which spawns another Afreeca player, with less options. -Second button is PIP, which spawns another broadcast within the broadcast you are already watching. Broadcastception -Third button is "Mini-Mode", which is pretty much the same thing as the pop-up player ..
5. The Broadcast itself - Supporting the Broadcaster via "Recommend" + Show Spoiler +
I feel this particular tidbit deserves a section by itself, because this is the best way one can support. The "Recommend" button is the one highlighted in the picture. You can give it to each BJ once a day. If your popup blocker is off, then it will pop up a window giving you the option to post on the broadcaster's msg board (you can't anyways lol).
Doing this on a regular basis will increase the broadcaster's ranking, and exposure. If you want to support, but don't have money to give, this is the best way to do it.
There are numbers top-left of each thing that I will explain 1 - Logout 2 - Toggles chat box on and off 3 - Toggles Broadcast list on and off 4 - Title of the broadcast 5 - BJ's Afreeca ID 6 - Information about the Broadcast, comes up if you move your mouse over the stream. In the order, its: -Views by PC, Mobile, Relay Room, and total viewers that watched since it started. -Then it the 2000k is the quality. -Then it shows the resolution of the Broadcast. -And finally, it shows which date the broadcast was started, and for how long it's been running 7 - Aspect ratio options 8 - Stop player 9 - Sound Control 10 - Give Balloons (money required) 11 - Give Stickers (Money required) 12 - Give Recommend (Boosts ranking, no money required) 13 - Add to bookmarks/favorites 14 - Previously seen Broadcast history 15 - Users who are viewer, sorted by ID and then their nickname 16 - Chat room 17 - chat box
On the "Broadcast List" box, you notice there's a second tab "즐겨찾기" That's your bookmarks/favorites list It'll show all your favorites that are online, and the offline ones too. The button by the Refresh button top right, "목록편집" will toggle the ability to delete streams from your favorites. To delete, click on the grey circle w/ an x in it on the top right of the stream preview image.
Afreeca is a P2P based connection system, instead of a server-based. The more viewers there are, the more chatting there's going on, the further away you are from Korea, the laggier your stream is gonna be. Unless you have a fucken boss internet, lag will be unavoidable w/ the more popular streams.
Prime time Afreeca is night-late night at Korea. There are some BJs who leave a restream on 24/7 or play/stream at weird hours, but most of them don't stream until that time.
If you wanna chat and stuff, you have to verify yourself by sending an ID to Afreeca. I haven't bothered doing this myself, so I don't know all the details
On October 07 2012 13:06 Sephy90 wrote: I made my afreeca account a long time time ago but when I login and view a stream it won't let me chat.. apparently I have to activate my account of some sort?
Yes, you need to send in a picture ID of sort like a drivers license. Not sure about the specifics since I haven't done it myself.
Yeah I just found this out~ apparently it takes a few days to process? I'll let you guys know if this works.. and apparently to the other guy on this page it didn't work for him... so I hope it does for me?
A small update to the Afreeca interface, in the Broadcast Listing box. The buttons for directing you to the BJ's home page and more options to watch (pop-up, mini player, PIP) have been moved from the right to the bottom.
In your bookmarks tab, they made it so you can toggle the "delete stream from your bookmarks" option, via the button on the top right by the refresh button.
He's too busy with the Starleague, it's the first one that's offline. Let him focus on that and I believe the team league should be coming after that. In the meantime there's SSL and the event matches
As with all things, there are always bumps along the road up.
I have unfortunate news that a regular SoPL season like Sonic had envisioned for the near future, has been cancelled. The reason being is that 3 out of the 7 teams had dropped due to various reasons. It wasn't stated why, but I assume it has to do with some of the "Ace players" leaving, or soon to be leaving (Pusan, Terror, etc).
With only 4 SoPL teams, it seemed rather silly to try to pursue a regular-type season. For now, the whole idea has been put on hold. Hopefully, they'll still involve these remaining teams in some event matches/tournaments, or resurrect the league in the near future. But for now, no plans for SoPL.
I have faith in Sonic. The first SSL was only a 100k won prize, and his company started off in a tiny dark room, with him buying only however many shoes he could personally afford. Given some time, he'll surely bring back the idea of a SOSPA Teamleague in full force Fighting!!
On October 29 2012 02:01 Stratos wrote: He's too busy with the Starleague, it's the first one that's offline. Let him focus on that and I believe the team league should be coming after that. In the meantime there's SSL and the event matches
ya srsly like i mean he has his company to run, his life to manage, SSL to broadcast and the offline preparations every weekend. and on top of that he streams event matches almost every other day with 1~2 days off XD thats one super packed schedule for one guy..
On October 29 2012 03:23 ArvickHero wrote: As with all things, there are always bumps along the road up.
I have unfortunate news that a regular SoPL season like Sonic had envisioned for the near future, has been cancelled. The reason being is that 3 out of the 7 teams had dropped due to various reasons. It wasn't stated why, but I assume it has to do with some of the "Ace players" leaving, or soon to be leaving (Pusan, Terror, etc).
With only 4 SoPL teams, it seemed rather silly to try to pursue a regular-type season. For now, the whole idea has been put on hold. Hopefully, they'll still involve these remaining teams in some event matches/tournaments, or resurrect the league in the near future. But for now, no plans for SoPL.
I have faith in Sonic. The first SSL was only a 100k won prize, and his company started off in a tiny dark room, with him buying only however many shoes he could personally afford. Given some time, he'll surely bring back the idea of a SOSPA Teamleague in full force Fighting!!
makes me so sad...
I was so looking forward to it..
I just hope that this idea will not die out completely.. and that he is gonna come back to this eventually
and I also hope that those new maps are going to be used too
also - Pusan and Terror leaving ?!?! I mean.. terror is banned from afreeca (but for life?) and PuSan.. is.. retiring ? like completely ? ;((((
oh no....
ehh.. but I have faith on Sonic, he is an amazing org
I'm so impressed by this, especially the number of well known ex-KeSPA pros. I would love to see this kind of BW play around for many years to come. I'd still rather watch good games between some of these players than sc2
the first one i get too, i just click it and wait a few seconds before trying again and then it works. the second one i think just says "sorry, there was an error".
all I can say unfortunately is to try IE instead of Chrome, maybe you won't encounter the error there. Afreeca should theoretically work best w/ IE, since korean websites are pretty much designed specifically for IE and not so friendly with the rest.
If that doesn't help, I can't really help you there .. maybe a reinstall? Or wait for the next update .. sorry
I can't watch any stream. I'm registered on the site.
Can someone help me ?
Sorry for my bad english
go to your uninstall program files and remove all afreeca/silverlight stuff then try reinstalling it all via clicking webplayer sometimes the webplayer fails to launch like that. it might be issues with updates ive had the same error before and reinstallation worked. also you can try the installed player and see if that works any better.
same question, there's a 성인 (Adult) section that says 19+, I'm guessing you have to send your id to Afreeca, similar to the procedure for chatting privileges?
Yes you have to send some information... your Id card, passport.. driving license something like that.. 18+ means that the girls are talking things like alcohol... Is not like they are showing some bra or legs or smth... Is not worth it.
8차 스타리그 32강 일정 짜고 있습니다. 계속 스폰서 구하는 작업 하고 있으니. 좋은 소식으로 여러분들에게 인사드리겠습니다. 계속 전화통화로 이야기 되고는 있는데. 확실히 결과가 나온 업체들이 없으니. 8차 리그는 더 깔끔하게 달려보자구요. ^^
Rough(might be bad) translation:
Season8 of the SSL is expected to start between the 20th and 30th of dec.
I'm currently planning the schedule for ro32 of SSL Season 8. While I'm still looking for a sponsor I'm going to give you guys the good news. Although I'm continuously making calls nobody has said for certain that they will back the league. Because of this we will try to make season8 run more smoothly.
Lol very fast season 8. I though it will see it next year february or smth... I hope more players participate. And i am holping players like Terror to play or why not savior and Players like Minho/Mahell very good zergs to come back too.
I meant to do translation (along many other things) for that but im getting raped by final projects and finals right now. Will take care of everything once everything is subsided next week
I wonder if Sonic has considered approaching OGN with his league (and future team league). With the recent news that KESPA is playing hardball with Proleague and wanting to run it themselves under some IPTV, maybe OGN would consider reaching back to the BW fans and putting Sonic's Leagues on OGN. Kim Carrier can be a permanent addition to the casting team. :D I think even with ex-progamers and a cheaper investment it would still bring in more people and profit than the current SC2 leagues.
indeed is bad but stupid google traslater is not clear
Long story short, someone reported to sonic that there's private betting thing related(just like what Savior did). He can't confirm that but in order to prevent those stupid shit, he did something(according to state, sonic gave free win but dunno who he gave free win cuz i don't follow this).
Someone who's good in translating KR > EN, finish this please.
indeed is bad but stupid google traslater is not clear
Long story short, someone reported to sonic that there's private betting thing related(just like what Savior did). He can't confirm that but in order to prevent those stupid shit, he did something(according to state, sonic gave free win but dunno who he gave free win cuz i don't follow this).
Someone who's good in translating KR > EN, finish this please.
While broadcasitng the matches today, I've gotten a tip from a reliable source that some players might have been contacted and/or related to illegal betting websites, and I did not think that it was right to continue with the matches without figuring out what was actually going on, especially for those who love BroodWar and players who are innocent. That's why I gave out immediate walkovers and ended the broadcast. Please do not assume that the players who played in the last match, as well as other players in the scene, and I'll investigate more on this issue.
I've done BW broadcasting for past 6 years, and now I feel like everything's collapsing around me. Right now, I don't have the time and will investigate more into this issue when I can.
BW is the game that we all worked for.
After receiving the BJ award on Tuesday, I'll find out what's going on and post another notice.
Once again, I'm very sorry.
I want to apologize again because this issue might have gotten too large, possibly out of my hands.
On December 11 2012 07:31 Zera wrote: On Hiya's stream today ppl were saying that Terror is banned. Can it be for this or he did something else?
Terror has been banned (from afreeca) for a long time due to an incident with a chair (basically he was imitating a rape crime that has recently happened in Korea involving a young girl). Unless there are news I don't know about, Terror is still banned from afreeca (and has been dropped from the league earlier on).
Regarding the betting story, can't he just make the matchups not public? E.g. he announced which players are playing at which day, but not who is playing against who. That would prevent people from betting on the actual matches and contacting players to offer them money for deflosses.
On December 12 2012 20:16 JustPassingBy wrote: Regarding the betting story, can't he just make the matchups not public? E.g. he announced which players are playing at which day, but not who is playing against who. That would prevent people from betting on the actual matches and contacting players to offer them money for deflosses.
The players wouldn't be able to practice for a certain person then, unless he told the players who they were playing. And if he told them who they were playing, they could tell the gambling agency. It would help, but it would still be possible to have faked losses.
On December 12 2012 20:16 JustPassingBy wrote: Regarding the betting story, can't he just make the matchups not public? E.g. he announced which players are playing at which day, but not who is playing against who. That would prevent people from betting on the actual matches and contacting players to offer them money for deflosses.
The players wouldn't be able to practice for a certain person then, unless he told the players who they were playing. And if he told them who they were playing, they could tell the gambling agency. It would help, but it would still be possible to have faked losses.
Well, if one game does get leaked, then you immediately have a smaller circle of suspects who might be responsible. But another problem I just realized is, that they might bet on which players loses in general (regardless of opponent) and then they could contact him and ask him to lose against whoever he plays.
edit: He could just do some things to screw up the betting sites, like announcing that it is A vs B and C vs D, and on the actual day it turns out to be A vs C and B vs D (the players themselves obviously know beforehand who they actual play against).
i am tired of this error... I assume i'm not the only one... What exacly means?
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That's not possible. Becouse 1 second ago i was watching it and just from nowhere it stop and that pop up. And stream did not go offline... Damn that connection...
Does anyone else get some sort of "System Error (0xbunch of numbers)" when they are watching a stream? Sometimes I don't get it and sometimes I get it A LOT and even times the the stream never loads and I automatically get the error -_-. It's so fucking obnoxious help is greatly appreciated!
Hello everyone, I just started watching Afreeca yesterday thanks to the guide post, and it was perfectly smooth for me. But today, when I tuned in, first the player showed some ads (we have to wait, as the op says) but then it came to this and never moved on. Can somebody tell me wat is going on? What should I do?
I use IE to watch Afreeca, and I did install everything the op says. + Show Spoiler +
Looks like ssl is back on track. A full translation is going to be very hard for me to do as I don't have that much time to spare(+my Korean is still barely intermediate) But the gist of it is that after a lot of support from both TL and the Korean community + a ton of help from Kim Carrier and 이승원(not sure who this is) - he has decided to not quit. There will be very strict rules and policies in place to stop match fixing. Not sure about a date yet.
On December 22 2012 06:37 rotinegg wrote: Just to elaborate, Lee Seung Won and Kim Carrier will be casting the entirety of the SSL, starting from the Ro32. This is awesome.
안녕하세요 소닉입니다.
간만에 또 진지모드로 공지 적게 되네요
스타리그 관련해서 잘 접었다 라고 말씀해주신 분들도 계셨지만
다시 진행해 달라고 따끔한 말씀도 해주시고, 조언도 해주시고, 걱정도 해주시고
혼자라서 힘들면 도와주겠다는 과분하고 감사한 말씀 많이 들었습니다.
일전에 제가 징징거렸던 것처럼 신발팜 직원들과 아프리카에서 결승전을 도와주기는 했지만 그건 우리 직원들이
너무 착해서 그리고 아프리카의 제 도전에 대한 감사한 배려였고, 실제 방송이라는 건 언제나 저 혼자의 몫이었습니다.
방송을 통해서 얻는 희열도 제것이었지만, 방송을 통해서 얻게되는 피드백도 모두가 저 혼자 감내해야하는
것이었습니다.
그날의 어떤 제보 때문에 뒤통수를 누군가 해머로 내려친 것 처럼 너무나 큰 충격을 받았던 것이 사실입니다.
제가 겉보기에는 쓸데없이 떠들고 시청자분들과 싸우기도 하지만 많이 소심합니다.
방송하고 나면 커뮤니티, 댓글하나하나 다 보면서 상처받기도 하고, 재밌었다는 의견 하나에 다시 웃기도하고
방송끝나고 방송의견을 보면서 조울증 환자처럼 울었다 웃었다 합니다.
솔직히 말씀드려서 두려웠습니다. 만일 이게 그냥 올스타전이 아니라 8차리그 진행중이었다면...?
누군가의 기대를 받고, 혼자 스타1 살리겠다고 큰 리그를 진행하고 있는데 이런일이 터지게 된 것이라면...?
하는 생각을 하지 않을 수가 없었고, 어찌할바를 몰랐습니다.
처음에는 무작정 이놈들을 잡아내겠다고 패기있게 달려들었으나 저 혼자의 힘으로 사업을 병행하면서
관련 문제에 대해 이것저것 신경쓴다는 것이 심각하게 머리 아픈 일이었고, 도저히 사업과 리그를 병행하기
힘들겠다는 결정을 할 수 밖에 없었습니다.
마지막 이라는 공지를 쓴 이후, 많은 분들을 만났고 그런 조작건은 충분히 예방할 수 있는데 니가 성급했다는
말씀을 많이 들었습니다. 그렇게 힘들면 왜 이야기를 하지 않았냐는 감사한 걱정도 많이 들었습니다.
법적으로 도와주겠다고 하시는 분부터, 예전에는 같이 방송을 진행 한다는것 조차 상상하기 힘든
분들까지 실제 도와주겠다고 말씀을 하시고, 따끔하게 지적도 해주셔서 이주 동안 방황하면서 많이 혼나기도
했고 너무 많은 것을 느꼈습니다.
남자가 한입으로 두말하게 되는게 참 창피하고, 제 성급했던 결정으로 인해 스타1 팬분들과 괜히 의심받았던
선수분들께 정말 죄송합니다만, 다시 한번 시작해 보려고 합니다.
제가 두려워 하는 부분 선수분들께서 도와주시고, 팬분들도 저에게 욕한번 해주시고, 그래도 한번 해봐라
응원해 주시면 염치 불구하고 다시한번 스타1 8차리그를 시작으로 리그 다시 한번 시작해 볼까 합니다.
그리고 좋은 소식은 8차 부터는 저뿐만이 아니라 김태형(김캐리해설), 이승원(승본좌) 님께서도 니가 힘들면 리그 흔쾌히
Looks like ssl is back on track. A full translation is going to be very hard for me to do as I don't have that much time to spare(+my Korean is still barely intermediate) But the gist of it is that after a lot of support from both TL and the Korean community + a ton of help from Kim Carrier and 이승원(not sure who this is) - he has decided to not quit. There will be very strict rules and policies in place to stop match fixing. Not sure about a date yet.
안녕하세요 소닉입니다.
간만에 또 진지모드로 공지 적게 되네요
스타리그 관련해서 잘 접었다 라고 말씀해주신 분들도 계셨지만
다시 진행해 달라고 따끔한 말씀도 해주시고, 조언도 해주시고, 걱정도 해주시고
혼자라서 힘들면 도와주겠다는 과분하고 감사한 말씀 많이 들었습니다.
일전에 제가 징징거렸던 것처럼 신발팜 직원들과 아프리카에서 결승전을 도와주기는 했지만 그건 우리 직원들이
너무 착해서 그리고 아프리카의 제 도전에 대한 감사한 배려였고, 실제 방송이라는 건 언제나 저 혼자의 몫이었습니다.
방송을 통해서 얻는 희열도 제것이었지만, 방송을 통해서 얻게되는 피드백도 모두가 저 혼자 감내해야하는
것이었습니다.
그날의 어떤 제보 때문에 뒤통수를 누군가 해머로 내려친 것 처럼 너무나 큰 충격을 받았던 것이 사실입니다.
제가 겉보기에는 쓸데없이 떠들고 시청자분들과 싸우기도 하지만 많이 소심합니다.
방송하고 나면 커뮤니티, 댓글하나하나 다 보면서 상처받기도 하고, 재밌었다는 의견 하나에 다시 웃기도하고
방송끝나고 방송의견을 보면서 조울증 환자처럼 울었다 웃었다 합니다.
솔직히 말씀드려서 두려웠습니다. 만일 이게 그냥 올스타전이 아니라 8차리그 진행중이었다면...?
누군가의 기대를 받고, 혼자 스타1 살리겠다고 큰 리그를 진행하고 있는데 이런일이 터지게 된 것이라면...?
하는 생각을 하지 않을 수가 없었고, 어찌할바를 몰랐습니다.
처음에는 무작정 이놈들을 잡아내겠다고 패기있게 달려들었으나 저 혼자의 힘으로 사업을 병행하면서
관련 문제에 대해 이것저것 신경쓴다는 것이 심각하게 머리 아픈 일이었고, 도저히 사업과 리그를 병행하기
힘들겠다는 결정을 할 수 밖에 없었습니다.
마지막 이라는 공지를 쓴 이후, 많은 분들을 만났고 그런 조작건은 충분히 예방할 수 있는데 니가 성급했다는
말씀을 많이 들었습니다. 그렇게 힘들면 왜 이야기를 하지 않았냐는 감사한 걱정도 많이 들었습니다.
법적으로 도와주겠다고 하시는 분부터, 예전에는 같이 방송을 진행 한다는것 조차 상상하기 힘든
분들까지 실제 도와주겠다고 말씀을 하시고, 따끔하게 지적도 해주셔서 이주 동안 방황하면서 많이 혼나기도
했고 너무 많은 것을 느꼈습니다.
남자가 한입으로 두말하게 되는게 참 창피하고, 제 성급했던 결정으로 인해 스타1 팬분들과 괜히 의심받았던
선수분들께 정말 죄송합니다만, 다시 한번 시작해 보려고 합니다.
제가 두려워 하는 부분 선수분들께서 도와주시고, 팬분들도 저에게 욕한번 해주시고, 그래도 한번 해봐라
응원해 주시면 염치 불구하고 다시한번 스타1 8차리그를 시작으로 리그 다시 한번 시작해 볼까 합니다.
그리고 좋은 소식은 8차 부터는 저뿐만이 아니라 김태형(김캐리해설), 이승원(승본좌) 님께서도 니가 힘들면 리그 흔쾌히
Hi everybody, this is Sonic. It's been a while but I'm gonna put on my serious hat once again and post an update. There were those of you who told me it was the right decision to quit the SSL, but others told me to think it over again, worried for me, and gave me some sound advice. Some even offered to lend me help if I was afraid of doing it alone. To reiterate, Shinbal farm [his company] employees and afreeca helped me put on the finals of SSL7, but that was purely because our employees were too nice to say no and afreeca was just thankful for brining in more viewers. The burden of tying up loose ends and making it actually happen always fell on me, and me alone. Of course, that also meant I didn't have to share the sense of accomplishment I got, but I had to weather a lot of harsh feedback alone at times.
On that momentous day, a certain report made me feel like somebody just lowered a hammer on the back of my head. Although I may come off as a blabbering fool who doesn't care about anything and gets into fights with his viewers, deep inside I am very sensitive. Oftentimes after I finish my stream, I get hurt by some nasty comments left by the viewers, and then get uplifted again by somebody else's comment saying it was fun to watch. Watching me go through the comments after my casts will make me seem like a psychopath. To be honest, I was afraid. What if this had happened not during some all-star event match, but the actual SSL8? What if I really did become the last hope of reviving BW and carrying its legacy, and something like this happened...? I didn't know what to do.
At first, all I could think was I'm gonna find this asshole and prosecute him, but running a business [he is the CEO of Shinbal Farm] while pursuing litigation posed a serious burden on me, and I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to manage both my business and SSL with all of its problems and baggage. After I wrote that SSL would no longer continue, I met a lot of people who told me that I had made a rash decision, that match fixing can be prevented through taking precautionary measures. Some told me that I should have spoken out if I was that stressed out. Some offered me help in the form of legal services, and some whom I never would have thought possible to work with offered to help me run the league. They also gave me some constructive criticism that was much needed. I spent about two weeks wandering around, sometimes getting yelled at by my seniors, and had a lot of time to think things through.
I am embarrassed that I am going back on my words, and am deeply sorry for the fans of BW and innocent players who were held to the public's scrutiny after the scandal, but I want to start again. I won't be able to do everything myself, but the areas I lack, if the players and fans can correct me, sometimes yell at me for being an imbecile, and support me, I want to start with SSL8 once again.
The good news I mentioned earlier is: Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won [best commentator ever, ex-MSL caster] have agreed to help me out whenever help is needed. They will help me commentate starting from the Ro32. It will be me casting, and Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won commentating. Even if you hate my casting, you can't deny that you want to see some BW action narrated by Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won.
If you can please forgive me for my rash decision, I am prepared to start this up once again. I cannot apologize enough for all the fans I disappointed. Also, I want to thank those of you who offered me help, or even yelled at me for being dumb. I want to give a special thanks to Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won, who gave me courage and advice. We will be setting strict rules regarding illegal betting, and I will do my best to make a problem-free stream. All leagues and event matches will also resume at this time. I won't disappoint you fans; I will do my very best to prepare for SSL8. I will start from scratch and look for sponsors. Also although I am still quite terrible at it, I've been trying to put on different creative content on my stream. I am trying to find ways to make my casts more entertaining, so I hope you enjoy. I'll always be putting in a 120% effort to be a better Sonic. Please cheer for me.
Everybody who left me thousands of comments, emails and messages through Teamliquid and afreeca, I'm so very sorry. I've rewatched just the finals of SSL7 dozens of times so I can gain motivation to go forward, so please cheer for me.
He used to be a caster on MBCGame before this happened. Many agreed that he was the most knowledgeable and overall 'best' caster, OGN and MBC combined, earning him the nickname of 'casting bonjwa' or 'Seung Won-jwa'
An old Fomos interview with Lee Seung Won, translated by OpticalShot.
Video of him predicting KT vs T8 proleague match
Lee Seung Won saying "Stats' best chance is to rip out his mouse plug right now, because he has absolutely no chance now, there is nothing he can do to win this game!"
I don't have anything special to say, but I feel like saying something anyway since I did comment about his SSL cancellation announcement. If I only comment on the bad news, I seem like a douche bag.
On January 07 2013 13:48 mtvacuum wrote: for the android afreeca app, after going to the "game" category, how do i view just the star 1 streams
Best way I know of is to go back to the main Live screen and at the top left, hit the Search icon (Magnifying glass). Then type in 스타. If you haven't already, you'll need to add the Korean keyboard layout to your layouts. The keys you hit are ㅅ ㅡ ㅌ ㅏ and then enter. You get some SC2 and some random pop stars but a lot of it is SCBW.
Been a while since I last used this computer, a couple months, and when trying to watch streams on Afreeca, this pops up after I click the image that should open the stream in the player window.
I assume it has something to do with it wanting to update, because when I press the blue button, AFCUpdateLauncher wants to run. Letting it do so has no effect and it keeps happening.
theres a facebook message from sonic that poorly translated google translate suggests a foreign all star showdown! 외국에서 나 인터뷰 했음 팀리퀴드 오오 메인에 뜨면 올릴게용!! 그리고 한국 올스타와 외국 올스타의 대결도 기대해주세요
mmm not sure which thread to bump but I believe sonic posted a big post about sonic starleague 8: + Show Spoiler +
8차 스타리그의 스폰서는 XXXXX 업체이며 현재 스폰 계약된 상태이며 8차 스타리그는 기존 7차 스타리그와 많이 다르게 진행 될겁니다. 업체명은 금요일쯤 공개 될것 같습니다.
1. 8차 스타리그만의 특별 페이지가 개설이 될겁니다. (이 부분은 열릴때 보시면 압니다) 2. 화려한 해설진분들. (김태형 해설, 이승원 해설이 32강부터 도움 주실겁니다) 3. 스타걸 현재 최은애씨가 섭외된 상태입니다. 4. 8차 스타리그의 네이버 송출 기사(한 언론사랑 계약을 맺어 우리 선수들의 경기들을 실시간 송출을 하게 될것 같습니다) 5. 선수들의 개인화면 녹화와 리플레이가 동시에 올라가게 됩니다. (1. 소닉옵저버 중계 화면 . 2 . 선수 개인화면 . 3 . 선수 리플레이) 6. 외국 트위치 tv를 통해 전 세계로 8차 스타리그가 생중계 됩니다. 7. 선수 복장. 스폰서 패치가 붙은 복장을 입게 되고 할 것 같습니다. 8. msl 방식으로 조지명식 하게 됩니다. - (msl 조지명식 참고) 9. 8 차 스타리그 할때 새로운 컨텐츠입니다.
1. 소닉 스타감독되다 시즌2 (시청자 5명 섭외 + 스타BJ 1명 섭외 + 감독소닉) 2. XXX의 명경기 (레이싱모델 및 이쁜 VJ가 소스파의 최대 명경기를 소개 해주는 시간입니다. 시청자들의 투표로 그주 명경기를 보여드립니다) 3. 스타 뒷담화 (그주 있었던 스타리그 경기나 이벤트 경기 매치가 끝나고 뒷담화 이어집니다). 4. BJ 다큐멘터리 1일 (BJ들의 삶, 게임 BJ 및 캠 방송 BJ의 다큐멘터리 - 2007년에 한편 찍고 망한거 다시 살려보렵니다..ㅋㅋ)
여러분들 감사하구요.
여러분들은 즐길 준비만 하시면 됩니다.
저도 즐길 준비 되었고. 준비가 길었던만큼 8차 스타리그는 역대 최고의 스타리그가 될겁니다. 많이많이 공유해서 8차 스타리그 많이 보게끔 홍보 도와주세요 감사합니다.
8 car Star League sponsors XXXXX vendor, currently spawn is a State that the contract 8 car, the Star League, the existing seventh Star League will be conducted differently and much. Business people seem to be released by Friday.
1.8th Star League will be opened only with special. (This is the part you know when opened) 2. a brilliant commentary on Jean. (Tae Kim commentary, Lee Seung-won will help from the 32 rivers commentary) 3. Star walk currently Choi Eun-AE Mr. liaison. 4. the 8 car, the Star League's Naver APC articles (the media loves the game of our players are under contract to real time seems to be the cm) 5. The players ' personal screen recording and replay will go up at the same time. (1. Sonic observer hookup screen. 2. player personal screen. 3. players replay) 6. 8 the world through foreign twitch tv car Star League will be broadcast live. 7. players dress. Sponsor patches and an outfit. 8. msl way George myeongsig. -(Msl George myeongsig note) 9. 8 car Star League when new content.
1. Sonic star Director is season 2 (1 contact 5 people + viewers star BJ liaison + Director of Sonic) 2. XXX subscribers games (racing models and hot babes playing up of the source wave active VJ introduction it is time that that the vote of the people the viewers. shows) 3. Star back discourse (that week was the Star League games and the events that lead to the back after the match, the game's statement). 4. BJ documentary 1 (BJ and BJ's life, game cam broadcast a documentary of BJ-in 2007, meanwhile take a look back fucked like a. ..ㅋ ㅋ) thank you.
You are ready to enjoy.
I was ready to enjoy. The League as much as 8-car star long past ready to be the best would be the Star League. Lots and lots and lots of 8 car sharing help promote bogeggeum the Star League.
that's the bing translate via facebook, and plugging into google translate I think a couple major points (Trying to piece together between the two translations): 1) stuff to be released friday? (XXXXX sponsor i.e. waiting for official announcement I think?) 2) Kim carrier and Lee seung-won to join in ro32 4) Naver to have articles on the starleague? 5) FPV 6) twitch.tv usage/coverage (though we saw last starleague sonic had it for 1 day then thought it was always on T_T) 7)player attire! patches and uniforms of some sort 8) msl style?
main sponsor revealed to be Item Bay (according Hyde, like the eBay of MMO items in Korea. Big company according to Sonic and reactions in the comments). I can't really find a website that works for it lol
Here's a summarization of the 10 points he outlined for SSL8 news
1 special new page for SSL8 (website? something like that) 2 Kim Carry/Lee Seung Won commentary beginning at Ro32 3 Stargirls 4 Naver news/media coverage 5 Replays and FPVODs will be released alongside Sonic's casted VODs 6 twitch.tv for foreigners (yea, we'll see how that goes ...) 7 uniforms for SSL8 players 8 MSL Style group stage selection 9 new content for SSL8 (dunno why this is listed as a point lol) 10 Wind and cloud + new map for SSL8
On February 07 2013 17:16 ArvickHero wrote: main sponsor revealed to be Item Bay (big news I guess, judging from what Sonic is saying and some of the reactions ... someone in Korea can say how big they are?). I can't really find a website that works for it lol
Here's a summarization of the 10 points he outlined for SSL8 news
1 special new page for SSL8 (website? something like that) 2 Kim Carry/Lee Seung Won commentary beginning at Ro32 3 Stargirls 4 Naver news/media coverage 5 upload FPVOD and replays? This one was confusing, I think he's gonna release FPVODs and replays simultaneously or some shit. Or broadcast them ... simultaneously ....? 6 twitch.tv for foreigners (yea, we'll see how that goes ...) 7 uniforms for SSL8 players 8 MSL Style for .. I think it's the group stage selection, or seeding ..? 9 new content for SSL8 (dunno why this is listed as a point lol) 10 Wind and cloud + new map for SSL8
Small update from Sonic: 2013-02-09 03:248 차 스타리그 홍보!!!!!!!!! 많이좀 도와주세요^^ 카페나 블로그 많이 퍼주시구. 홍보 많이 해주세요. 해주시면 제가 선물 드립니다 히히^^
2013-02-09 03:24 8th StarLeague PR!!!!!!!!! Help me out a bit please^^ Could you spread the word on blogs and cafes? Please promote this well. If you do this, I'll give you a present hihi^^
not really an important update but it's good to know that Sonic is focused on this and that we might potentially see more cool things announced in the future?
. NaDa (former pro gamer) . Yeomboseong (former pro gamer) SHINee (former semi-pro gamers) . Monggun (former pro gamer) Terran Reaper (former pro gamer) Smile (I semi-professional gamer) . Guseonghun (former pro gamer) . Imseongjin (former pro gamer) . Cho, Nam - Jun (amateur) 10 Iris (former pro gamer) 11 gangtaewan (amateur) 12 Lee, Young - Ung (former pro gamer) 13 Lee, Hyeon (former pro gamer)
Jean (former pro gamer movie) . Yeom, Heon (former pro gamer) The sky (I'm a professional gamer) 4 - 440 (amateur) Kim, Kyu times (I gave a pro gamer) . Choeminsu (former pro gamer) 7. Baksubeom (former pro gamer) 8 Kim, Tae - Gun (former pro gamer) 9 Park, Ji - Ho (professional gamer)
Force Name (amateur) 2 July) (former pro gamer 3 Chung So (former pro gamer) 4. Imhonggyu (former pro gamer) . Nojaesang (former pro gamer) Joe photoperiod (former pro gamer) 7 yujinwoo (former pro gamer) 8 Park, Sang - Hyun (amateur) . Jangyounghwan (former pro gamer)
Does that mean not only are we getting NaDa, but JulyZerg aswell?!!! (His korean name matches the TLPD) This is gonna be awesome!!
On February 13 2013 02:24 ArvickHero wrote: it's not the final roster, so I guess they're still figuring out the last slot. I'm personally sad to not see KTW or Saber on that list tho
ugh Dongrae?? Well I guess they need someone to fill Starcue's slot .....
On February 13 2013 02:24 ArvickHero wrote: it's not the final roster, so I guess they're still figuring out the last slot. I'm personally sad to not see KTW or Saber on that list tho
ugh Dongrae?? Well I guess they need someone to fill Starcue's slot .....
there are more details, but I need to get to sleep. I will say that prize total is now 11mil won, 5mil won for first, 3mil won for second, 2mil won for 3rd and 1mil won for 4th
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On February 15 2013 08:02 snipealot wrote: Your ads aren't loading. Click a stream(only click once) and wait for a while, it should load within a minute or so. If you have adblock make sure you turn it off as afreeca refuses to load streams if you aren't shown commercials first.
y stream offline?!? ^__^
Honestly not sure what happened, complete computer crash. Luckily I was browsing TL in class instead of paying attention to the teacher so I saw this post and restarted the stream remotely. A mod could've done the same if one was online though.
Ok, so I'm gonna be reallllly busy for the next few weeks, and I won't really have time to do .. well, anything. So I need someone to take over .. make a SSL8 info megathread/R&S, and keep shiet updated. Whoever makes the thread, you can always contact me and others to consult w/ about various stuff, but the important thing is to keep things updated in a timely fashion and w/ nice presentation.
But anyways, really important annoucement!
So, Sonic will have these group stages to determine the seeding for the Ro32 .. kinda like a prelim? Schedule as follows:
2/15: Groups A B C 2/16: Groups D E 2/18: Groups F G, then last slot will be filled randomly from one of the second place finishers 2/19: Randomly generated 8 man bracket, top 4 will get seeded into groups.
map list: 1. Match Point 2. Fighting Spirit 3. Neo Electric Circuit
Now, as for the format, it's most likely Round Robin (like OSL Ro16 format, except squished into one day). So everyone plays each other once, and that'll determine who's ranked 1st, 2nd, etc etc. The maps will be used in the above order, and then repeat as necessary (so if one match is played on NEC, then the next will be played on Match Point). Source
Ro32 Info:
As of now, here are the Ro32 groups:
Group A: Killer (gets 4 swaps) Group B: Larva (gets 3 swaps) Group C: Sky (gets 2 swaps) Group D: Pusan (gets 1 swap)
Groups E-H will be filled by the top 4 of the seeding tournament
On the 23rd, the Ro32 Group ceremony will be held at ..... some place lol. You can see it here. Ro32 will be online, rest will be offline.
2/15: Seeding Match Groups A B C 2/16: Seeding Match Groups D E 2/18: Seeding Match Groups F G, then last slot will be filled randomly from one of the second place finishers 2/19: Seeding Match Randomly generated 8 man bracket, top 4 will get seeded into groups.
2/23: Ro32 Group Selection Ceremony
3/1: Ro32 Group A (online) 3/2: Ro32 Group B (online) 3/8: Ro32 Group C (online) 3/9: Ro32 Group D (online) 3/15: Ro32 Group E (online) 3/16: Ro32 Group F (online) 3/22: Ro32 Group G (online) 3/23: Ro32 Group H (online)
3/30: Ro16 Group A (@Sinbal Farm) 4/6: Ro16 Group B (@Sinbal Farm) 4/13: Ro16 Group C (@Sinbal Farm) 4/20: Ro16 Group D (@Sinbal Farm)
4/27: Ro8 Day 1 (@Sinbal Farm) 5/4: Ro8 Day 2 (@Sinbal Farm)
Results for a, b, c, d and e groups. I guess there were some no shows. + Show Spoiler +
Sea > Tyson Match Point Sexy > beast Fighting Spirit Sexy > Tyson Electric Circuit beast > sea Match Point Sexy > Sea Fighting Spirit Tyson > beast Electric Circuit
1-2 Sea 3-0 Sexy 1-2 Tyson 1-2 beast
Shuttle > ZergMaN Match Point
PerfectMan > Force[Name] Fighting Spirit Force[Name] > kkong Electric Circuit PerfectMan > kkong Match Point
shinee > hero match point shinee > zelot fighting spirit shinee > onicle electric circuit hero > onicle match point zelot > hero zelot > onicle electric circuit
lazy > hiya match point lazy > terran fighting spirit lazy > snail electric circuit hiya > snail match point hiya > terran fighting spirit
movie > dream.t)-_- match point movie > he)jy fighting spirit movie > cola electric circuit cola > dream.t)-_- match point he)jy > cola fighting spirit he)jy > dream.t)-_- electric circuit
mong > ktmgw.soul , By.Spire match point mong > perry fighting spirit mong > doldolz.pose, Hint electric circuit doldolz.pose > spire match point doldolz.pose > perry fighting spirit
Dragoons is right, Sonic said that -_- (or Sonkwon, if he was ex-pro and not amateur) was replacing KTW. Now, idk if it was just for the SM, or if it's for the whole tournament .. I'm waiting to see an updated Ro32 roster to confirm that.
and tonight is:
Perfectman vs Lazy Sexy vs Mong Zergman vs Shinee Shuttle vs Movie
Maps are the same, format is vague. I think it's gonna be another Bo1 Round Robin w/ all of them, but I'm not 100% sure.
Also, something interesting I've noticed was that both Shinee and Force[Name] have used their real names instead of their aliases in Sonic's overlay (so 김재현 and 김범성, instead of 샤이니 and 포스네임). Perhaps a move towards a more professional feel? Though Mong still uses his alias instead of his real name lol
ZergMaN (Ex-Pro) Cola (Ex-Pro) by.hero (Ex-Pro) beast (Ex-Pro) By.Spire (Ex-SemiPro, no idea who this is) ZeLoT (Ex-SemiPro) Mae.pOse (최혜성) (Amateur) uNiOn`Feat (이상조) (Amateur)
Shuttle (Ex-Pro) Hint (Ex-SemiPro) Perry (Ex-Pro) Tyson (Ex-Pro) Lazy (Ex-Pro) Onicle (Amateur) `coo)_[bbb] (오현명) (Amateur) iops sense (신현수) (Amateur) Dream.t)-_- (박성준) (Amateur)
both Movie and Mong so far have decided to skip their swaps (it had to be w/ someone within their group, and they were already satisfied w/ it I guess lol)
Larva using his second swap, going last! Swaps Cola with ...... (rofl Shuttle got suggested, now Shuttle is begging for his life .. offers Tyson in his stead LOL ... Tyson is like meh yea just swap me) SHUTTLE!!
I wonder if Iris didn't show because he was tied down by his coaching obligations, if that was the case I wonder if he even has time to practice. I'd like him to have a fighting chance and not just bomb out His group will be tough and his recent track record isn't so great.
I'm both excited and sad for Group C, all great players and I expect exciting games, but only two will make it D: Thanks for keeping track of the groups, Arvick.
I really like how the group selection process was done, with players choosing who they went against/what group they went in. SSL is looking more and more slick as time goes on, this is so awesome.
Was it Spire doing the weird dance? Made me laugh haha. I had to go sleep before seeing the rest but I'll check out the VODs later.
If iopssense is in this SSL, and both Bakuryu and eonzerg have beaten iopssense in defiler tour, then doesn't mean that they should be competing in this? :eon:
Just watched the group selection VOD and man it was awesome. I'm glad to see SSL grow into something so cool and professional, makes me really excited for what's to come. Group C is going to be crazy.
On February 24 2013 08:26 chaosTheory_14cc wrote: Just watched the group selection VOD and man it was awesome. I'm glad to see SSL grow into something so cool and professional, makes me really excited for what's to come. Group C is going to be crazy.
On February 24 2013 04:32 Birdie wrote: I really like how the group selection process was done, with players choosing who they went against/what group they went in. SSL is looking more and more slick as time goes on, this is so awesome.
Was it Spire doing the weird dance? Made me laugh haha. I had to go sleep before seeing the rest but I'll check out the VODs later.
If iopssense is in this SSL, and both Bakuryu and eonzerg have beaten iopssense in defiler tour, then doesn't mean that they should be competing in this? :eon:
eonzerg beat him in WB 2-0, but lost to him in LB and i lost vs him in LB too (DT#48 which iopssense won) unless that qlxmaosldk guy in DT#50 was also him
On February 24 2013 04:32 Birdie wrote: I really like how the group selection process was done, with players choosing who they went against/what group they went in. SSL is looking more and more slick as time goes on, this is so awesome.
Was it Spire doing the weird dance? Made me laugh haha. I had to go sleep before seeing the rest but I'll check out the VODs later.
If iopssense is in this SSL, and both Bakuryu and eonzerg have beaten iopssense in defiler tour, then doesn't mean that they should be competing in this? :eon:
eonzerg beat him in WB 2-0, but lost to him in LB and i lost vs him in LB too (DT#48 which iopssense won) unless that qlxmaosldk guy in DT#50 was also him
Oh I was thinking the qlx guy was him, might have been someone else though.
Is there any way to directly link to VODs at a particular time on twitch? I was looking at this "highlight' functionality, but it seems that it's been discontinued...
On February 26 2013 17:07 ArvickHero wrote: wow wind and cloud 1.1 was available to download this entire time, it's just that I never saw the DL link before lol
Does anyone know where I can find replays or FPVODs of Zergs on Wind and Cloud playing vs Protoss so I can see their simcity? It's hard for me to simcity with an evo on most positions (except top left) unless the new version changed something.
So apparently Sky was banned from Sonic events because he was arguing with Sonic about money, demanding a lot of money from Sonic. Then he told Sonic he wouldn't play in SSL so Sonic banned him from all his events.
This is if I understand correctly, was informed by a Korean in snipealot3 chat during SSL8 Group A.
EDIT Trying to confirm with another amateur BJ on afreeca, might not be true.
On March 01 2013 21:02 Birdie wrote: ... so Sonic banned him from all his events.
EDIT Trying to confirm with another amateur BJ on afreeca, might not be true.
Hopefully this only applies to current tournaments, but it is reassuring to see Sonic being firm and laying down the law, regardless of who is wrong or right in this situation.
On March 01 2013 21:02 Birdie wrote: So apparently Sky was banned from Sonic events because he was arguing with Sonic about money, demanding a lot of money from Sonic. Then he told Sonic he wouldn't play in SSL so Sonic banned him from all his events.
This is if I understand correctly, was informed by a Korean in snipealot3 chat during SSL8 Group A.
EDIT Trying to confirm with another amateur BJ on afreeca, might not be true.
Seems like SSL is about to explode. (in a good way)
<Kimoleon> >chinese channel 6-7k on afreeca 15k-20k live and on tl around 1-2k viewers. I got a call from a big company inside Korea! (note: this is either about broadcasting to a larger audience or about sponsorship) <Kimoleon> then saying to viewers to support SSL anyway blog cafe, saying he's feeling something small getting bigger and bigger, hwaiting <Kimoleon> oh ya last part, the bigger this gets I believe more ex-pros will play again
Sounds awesome, whatever it is. SC:BW is still sixth most played game in PC bangs, so there's enough people playing it out there and potential viewers that televised matches would work still I think.
I just hope Sonic gets a production manager to manage his overlays if that happens xD
Seems like SSL is about to explode. (in a good way)
<Kimoleon> >chinese channel 6-7k on afreeca 15k-20k live and on tl around 1-2k viewers. I got a call from a big company inside Korea! (note: this is either about broadcasting to a larger audience or about sponsorship) <Kimoleon> then saying to viewers to support SSL anyway blog cafe, saying he's feeling something small getting bigger and bigger, hwaiting <Kimoleon> oh ya last part, the bigger this gets I believe more ex-pros will play again
Not sure if sonic is thinking of vods or not but those numbers are slightly inflated(they are way higher than the ones I tell him on fb after broadcasts). Maybe those are the numbers he is wishing for :p
omg YES! and just in time i was just about to tabbed in a long anime session (no events happening ) but now :D hhahahah an event match WITH sea! jackpot! edit: please everyone show up
Looks like the next event will be SRT15 already. The news post talks about PC mall still being the sponsor and something about prize pool I assume. Please translate~~
Holy crap that's a massive prizepool compared to the standard. That's like the standard 1st place prize, which was the ONLY prize, is the third place prize.
Set 1 - bo3 Set 2 - bo3 Winners match - bo1 Losers match - bo1 Final game - bo3
Mapcycle:
1. New 815 2. Fighting Spirit 3. New wind and cloud 4. Neo Requiem 5. Match Point
Schedule:
7/9 Ro32 Group A - Shuttle, so..fma, Ample, eNvy.Bisu 7/10 Ro32 Group B - Pusan, ZergFight, Hint, Sexy 7/11 Ro32 Group C - PerfectMan, Larva, sSak, Zelot 7/12 Ro32 Group D - HiyA, Olympus, SanTa, Hero 7/16 Ro32 Group E - Tyson, Satang, Hi, Mong 7/17 Ro32 Group F - Movie, Beast, Zergman, Crack 7/18 Ro32 Group G - Sea, Changers, eros_lucifer, Cola 7/19 Ro32 Group H - Killer, Shinee, Lazy, Ogdol
7/23 Ro16 Group A 7/24 Ro16 Group B 7/25 Ro16 Group C 7/26 Ro16 Group D
7/30 Ro8 A + B 7/31 Ro8 C + D
8/1 Ro4 A + B 8/2 Grand Finals
Disclaimer: This can all be changed at any moment in time, even 5 minutes before a broadcast
1위 상금 : 100만원 2위 상금 : 30만원 3위 상금 : 20만원 1set - 3판2선 2set - 3판2선 3승자조 - 단판 4패자조 - 단판 5.최종전 - 3판2선
1.set 신 815 2.set 투 혼 3.set 신 풍운 4.set 네오 레퀴엠 5.set 매치 포인트
7월 9일 (화) 32강 A조 김윤중P 황재성Z 김태영T 송민재P 7월 10일 (수) 32강 B조 박지호P 이고부Z 김규회P 이영웅T 7월 11일 (목) 32강 C조 김태균P 임홍규Z 최호선T 서문지훈Z 7월 12일 (금) 32강 D조 구성훈T 올림푸스P 박필형P 조일장Z 7월 16일 (화) 32강 E조 박수범P 사 탕Z 노강호P 윤찬희T 7월 17일 (수) 32강 F조 진영화P 유진우Z 박성준Z 정민기T 7월 18일 (목) 32강 G조 염보성T 원지훈P 오현명P 노재상Z 7월 19일 (금) 32강 H조 박준오Z 샤이니T 김기훈P 이동호T 7월 23일 (화) 16강 A조 7월 24일 (수) 16강 B조 7월 25일 (목) 16강 C조 7월 26일 (금) 16강 D조 7월 30일 (화) 8강 A조, B조 7월 31일 (수) 8강 C조, D조 8월 1일 (목) 4강 A조, B조 8월 2일 (금) 결승전
The twitch money goes to sonic, sonic spends some of it on SRTs. I think some of it was spent bringing players to SSL as well but I'm not entirely sure. The income from snipealot2 helps sonic spend less of his own money(but he still spends a lot from what I understand) running tournaments.
The whole process is rather complicated, but here it is:
Step 1: I receive money from twitch on my korean registered paypal account Step 2: I transfer an amount equal to 95% of the amount received to sonics bank account. This number is 95% due to paypal fees and currency fluctuations Step 3: I transfer the money from my Korean paypal account to my Norwegian paypal account. This is done because of really really shitty rules by paypal korea where they won't accept my alien registration status(basically only Korean citizens can transfer money from a Korean paypal account to a Korean bank account) Step 4: I transfer the money from my Norwegian paypal account to my Norwegian bank account
I've been told twitch has finally managed to change my partner registered paypal address though, so from next month I might be able to avoid getting hit by double paypal fees.
On July 09 2013 16:53 Jragon wrote: When is the next full-blown SSL? Were they happy with how the finals turned out for the last one?
I posted it earlier but Sonic has been in negotiation with a company for sponsoring.
Yesterday he posted an update about it how it's moving forward. He also talks about casters, I'm assuming Kim Carrier + LSW again. Also he is getting more help with organization, learned from SSL8 etc. The thing I was most interested in was that he has searched (or companies has shown interested, google translate doesn't make it clear here) for more than 400 companies.
현재 6.1일 결승 끝나고 난 이후로. 지금까지 스폰서 작업만 소닉TV 직원 및 저 포함. 총 400개가 넘는 업체를 선청해서 제안서를 넣었습니다. 그중 말이 잘 된곳들은 미팅을 계속 적으로 하고 있으며, 9차 스타리그 관련해서 질문 하시는분들이 많은데 무조건 진행 할겁니다. 8차때보다 좀더 화려한 엔트리와. 기술력이라던가 업그레이드 된 부분들이 많이 있습니다. 아직 미확정이지만. 추가 되는 해설진들과 캐스터 및. 여러분들이 생각하시는것보다 더 많은걸 준비하고 있으니 기대 해주시구요! 저번 7차가 12월 1일. 아이템베이 스폰 받은게 이번년 2월이었습니다. 총 3개월이 걸렸던거죠. 지금 8차 6.1결승이 끝난 이후로. 이제 한달 반 되어 갑니다. 정말 스폰서에 대한 답이 안나오면. 신발팜 사장님한테 어필하면 충분히 진행 될수 있는 부분 있으니. ㅋㅋ 걱정마시구. 지금 현재를 즐겨주시면 될것 같습니다. 감사합니다~!!^^
On July 09 2013 16:53 Jragon wrote: When is the next full-blown SSL? Were they happy with how the finals turned out for the last one?
I posted it earlier but Sonic has been in negotiation with a company for sponsoring.
Yesterday he posted an update about it how it's moving forward. He also talks about casters, I'm assuming Kim Carrier + LSW again. Also he is getting more help with organization, learned from SSL8 etc. The thing I was most interested in was that he has searched (or companies has shown interested, google translate doesn't make it clear here) for more than 400 companies.
현재 6.1일 결승 끝나고 난 이후로. 지금까지 스폰서 작업만 소닉TV 직원 및 저 포함. 총 400개가 넘는 업체를 선청해서 제안서를 넣었습니다. 그중 말이 잘 된곳들은 미팅을 계속 적으로 하고 있으며, 9차 스타리그 관련해서 질문 하시는분들이 많은데 무조건 진행 할겁니다. 8차때보다 좀더 화려한 엔트리와. 기술력이라던가 업그레이드 된 부분들이 많이 있습니다. 아직 미확정이지만. 추가 되는 해설진들과 캐스터 및. 여러분들이 생각하시는것보다 더 많은걸 준비하고 있으니 기대 해주시구요! 저번 7차가 12월 1일. 아이템베이 스폰 받은게 이번년 2월이었습니다. 총 3개월이 걸렸던거죠. 지금 8차 6.1결승이 끝난 이후로. 이제 한달 반 되어 갑니다. 정말 스폰서에 대한 답이 안나오면. 신발팜 사장님한테 어필하면 충분히 진행 될수 있는 부분 있으니. ㅋㅋ 걱정마시구. 지금 현재를 즐겨주시면 될것 같습니다. 감사합니다~!!^^
Here's a rough translation. The post suggests that he has sent proposals to all of those companies but hasn't specifically set up anything yet.
Presently, after the conclusion of the previous finals on June 1st, we have been meeting with potential sponsors for SonicTV. We have submitted proposals to over 400 companies. We are continuing to meet with the ones which are well-received. For the many people asking about the 9th Sonic Starleague, know that it will progress as planned.
Compared to the 8th league, the entries will be more impressive and the production values will be upgraded.
Although it is unconfirmed, we are also adding commentators and casters. We are preparing more things than you realize, so please wait for us!
The 7th SSL ended on December 1st, and the ItemBay sponsorship was set up this year in February. It took around three months. The 8th SSL ended on June 1st, so it has only been a month and a half. If we absolutely can't find a sponsor, we can always ask the Sinbalfarm president (keke).
Eight teams will participate in a month-long teamleague format, culminating w/ the Champion team earning 5mil Won. Each team is set to have 5 players, each having a small salary. Coaches and practice partners are also supposed to be part of this The format is Winners League All-kill style. 99% sure that this Starleague will use the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream. The drafting process isn't complete yet, but here are the teams so far:
Eight teams will participate in a month-long teamleague format, culminating w/ the Champion team earning 5mil Won. Each team is set to have 5 players, each having a small salary. Coaches and practice partners are also supposed to be part of this The format is Winners League All-kill style. 99% sure that this Starleague will use the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream. The drafting process isn't complete yet, but here are the teams so far:
I think the main problem with a team league would be organizing it. Sonic would have to get a little help. Also the prizes would have to be pretty high.
Preliminary we have new players like BeSt, Britney, Zeus, Jaehoon, and ChRh. But like last season we can only hope at least one of them actually shows up.
On September 12 2013 22:55 Epoxide wrote: Preliminary we have new players like BeSt, Britney, Zeus, Jaehoon, and ChRh. But like last season we can only hope at least one of them actually shows up.
On September 13 2013 04:32 Mewka wrote: sup with Jangbi ?
Nothing yet.
not too surprising imo. If he was thinking about joining SOSPA, he probably wants to bring his level up higher. He lost to killer 2-0 several days ago so even if he entered, his chances of winning the whole thing isn't likely.
Eight teams will participate in a month-long teamleague format, culminating w/ the Champion team earning 5mil Won. Each team is set to have 5 players, each having a small salary. Coaches and practice partners are also supposed to be part of this The format is Winners League All-kill style. 99% sure that this Starleague will use the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream. The drafting process isn't complete yet, but here are the teams so far:
It won't happen unless somebody other than Sonic does it. It's to much of a commitment as it takes a lot more time to organize and get the players together and I think that we all agree that Sonic should prioritize SRTs, SSLs over Teamleagues.
On September 14 2013 05:24 N.geNuity wrote: for people's reference I guess this is the list: P: 박지호 김윤중 김기훈 하늘 진영화 노강호 김규회 박수범 도재욱 임태규 올림푸스 김봉준(전 mbc 프로) , 도재욱(전 SKT) , 전태규(전 HITE) , 김재훈
On September 14 2013 05:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: not news about bisu ?
JangBi's not even listed there. They probably needs more time to get back into track. JangBi could sometime take down Mong, Ssak and such (like 50/50), he still can't take S-class players like Killer. He needs another season of training I guess, he needs Stork to give him inspiration for builds....
Btw I think the next generation of BW players will include the guys who finished their military training to be back playing the game. Kal is almost done his duties so he might return to us.
And honestly if SC2 continue to falter in Korea after the next PL. Kespa might even null the contract with Blizzard and reintroduce BW again because that will obviously give them more domestic profits.
On September 14 2013 05:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: not news about bisu ?
JangBi's not even listed there. They probably needs more time to get back into track. JangBi could sometime take down Mong, Ssak and such (like 50/50), he still can't take S-class players like Killer. He needs another season of training I guess, he needs Stork to give him inspiration for builds....
Btw I think the next generation of BW players will include the guys who finished their military training to be back playing the game. Kal is almost done his duties so he might return to us.
And honestly if SC2 continue to falter in Korea after the next PL. Kespa might even null the contract with Blizzard and reintroduce BW again because that will obviously give them more domestic profits.
The thing is, are there any real new players for broodwar in korea? without new blood there cant be a real scene.. and kespa picking up bw again? even if they drop sc2, they will just focus all of their money on lol i would think^^
On September 14 2013 05:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: not news about bisu ?
JangBi's not even listed there. They probably needs more time to get back into track. JangBi could sometime take down Mong, Ssak and such (like 50/50), he still can't take S-class players like Killer. He needs another season of training I guess, he needs Stork to give him inspiration for builds....
Btw I think the next generation of BW players will include the guys who finished their military training to be back playing the game. Kal is almost done his duties so he might return to us.
And honestly if SC2 continue to falter in Korea after the next PL. Kespa might even null the contract with Blizzard and reintroduce BW again because that will obviously give them more domestic profits.
The thing is, are there any real new players for broodwar in korea? without new blood there cant be a real scene.. and kespa picking up bw again? even if they drop sc2, they will just focus all of their money on lol i would think^^
people will take it up if they are watching it. sospa will get people into it if they are watching the tournaments.
On September 14 2013 05:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: not news about bisu ?
JangBi's not even listed there. They probably needs more time to get back into track. JangBi could sometime take down Mong, Ssak and such (like 50/50), he still can't take S-class players like Killer. He needs another season of training I guess, he needs Stork to give him inspiration for builds....
Btw I think the next generation of BW players will include the guys who finished their military training to be back playing the game. Kal is almost done his duties so he might return to us.
And honestly if SC2 continue to falter in Korea after the next PL. Kespa might even null the contract with Blizzard and reintroduce BW again because that will obviously give them more domestic profits.
The thing is, are there any real new players for broodwar in korea? without new blood there cant be a real scene.. and kespa picking up bw again? even if they drop sc2, they will just focus all of their money on lol i would think^^
people will take it up if they are watching it. sospa will get people into it if they are watching the tournaments.
Sospa will introduce no one, i don't want to break the bubble. But people get into those activities because the surrounding pulls them into (friends ---> pc bangs, couch ----> TV). Sospa's target audience is mostly people who miss BW. To get new people you need Kespa there is no way around it, you need teams ,sponsors, TV. 90% of new blood goes into LoL as we speak, because it is popular.
Showbiz works that way, the things that are popular are flashy, BW is not flashy anymore, in the current state, you kinda need proleagues, screaming girls, osls to have that. :[
On September 14 2013 05:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: not news about bisu ?
JangBi's not even listed there. They probably needs more time to get back into track. JangBi could sometime take down Mong, Ssak and such (like 50/50), he still can't take S-class players like Killer. He needs another season of training I guess, he needs Stork to give him inspiration for builds....
Btw I think the next generation of BW players will include the guys who finished their military training to be back playing the game. Kal is almost done his duties so he might return to us.
And honestly if SC2 continue to falter in Korea after the next PL. Kespa might even null the contract with Blizzard and reintroduce BW again because that will obviously give them more domestic profits.
The thing is, are there any real new players for broodwar in korea? without new blood there cant be a real scene.. and kespa picking up bw again? even if they drop sc2, they will just focus all of their money on lol i would think^^
people will take it up if they are watching it. sospa will get people into it if they are watching the tournaments.
Sospa will introduce no one, i don't want to break the bubble. But people get into those activities because the surrounding pulls them into (friends ---> pc bangs, couch ----> TV). Sospa's target audience is mostly people who miss BW. To get new people you need Kespa there is no way around it, you need teams ,sponsors, TV. 90% of new blood goes into LoL as we speak, because it is popular.
Showbiz works that way, the things that are popular are flashy, BW is not flashy anymore, in the current state, you kinda need proleagues, screaming girls, osls to have that. :[
which is a longer way of saying what I said, if people are watching sospa they will get into bw, (obviously if they are not then they are less likely to start playing bw)
I for one am wondering what is The Gorilla Terran up to, read somewhere he's in the army but that was a long time ago. You think there might be a chance of his comeback or will Big Bro Boxer bring him back to SKT to coach again?
Eight teams will participate in a month-long teamleague format, culminating w/ the Champion team earning 5mil Won. Each team is set to have 5 players, each having a small salary. Coaches and practice partners are also supposed to be part of this The format is Winners League All-kill style. 99% sure that this Starleague will use the new maps by Rose.Of.Dream. The drafting process isn't complete yet, but here are the teams so far:
It won't happen unless somebody other than Sonic does it. It's to much of a commitment as it takes a lot more time to organize and get the players together and I think that we all agree that Sonic should prioritize SRTs, SSLs over Teamleagues.
We just have to wait for SOSPA to grow bigger than just Sonic and couple of other people.. And I think that, it's going to happen, sooner or later. So the whole idea is not completely lost yet !!! Have faith !
As Chuseok is next week it's really really hard for sonic to set up any matches for the players. Chuseok is a huge holiday that usually means a lot of time with family, often travelling home to the town where ones parents grew up. As such Sonic has decided to not begin SRT17 until after Chuseok. Nothing is set in stone yet but as of right now he is thinking that Saturday the 21st of September seems like a good day for the first matches.
On September 14 2013 23:21 snipealot wrote: As Chuseok is next week it's really really hard for sonic to set up any matches for the players. Chuseok is a huge holiday that usually means a lot of time with family, often travelling home to the town where ones parents grew up. As such Sonic has decided to not begin SRT17 until after Chuseok. Nothing is set in stone yet but as of right now he is thinking that Saturday the 21st of September seems like a good day for the first matches.
Are there live matches you can go and watch at any stage in the tournaments? Like finals.
On September 14 2013 23:21 snipealot wrote: As Chuseok is next week it's really really hard for sonic to set up any matches for the players. Chuseok is a huge holiday that usually means a lot of time with family, often travelling home to the town where ones parents grew up. As such Sonic has decided to not begin SRT17 until after Chuseok. Nothing is set in stone yet but as of right now he is thinking that Saturday the 21st of September seems like a good day for the first matches.
Are there live matches you can go and watch at any stage in the tournaments? Like finals.
On September 16 2013 23:03 Ryo wrote: ^Hmm... maybe a big-name protoss... or two.
would these protosses be a famous chinese general and short pointy object?
Perhaps it might be too soon for short pointy object but who knows, he might have been playing BW during the off-season so I wouldn't rule it out. But I think the final few names will be bigger than Kwanro and s2.
Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
On September 17 2013 00:20 Phyanketto wrote: Larva offraced some scrub and beat him down with terran after the other guy smacktalked his T. >larva's face when
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
ya, that's the thing. He was supposed to go to the military Sept 26th as I recall but he was able to change it. I guess playing in a tournament can be used to delay it? confusing lol.
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
ya, that's the thing. He was supposed to go to the military Sept 26th as I recall but he was able to change it. I guess playing in a tournament can be used to delay it? confusing lol.
Out of curiosity, how do you even enlist in the military? Do you just show up to an office and say "I'm ready to start now?" or do you have to say "I start on June 30th"?
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
ya, that's the thing. He was supposed to go to the military Sept 26th as I recall but he was able to change it. I guess playing in a tournament can be used to delay it? confusing lol.
Out of curiosity, how do you even enlist in the military? Do you just show up to an office and say "I'm ready to start now?" or do you have to say "I start on June 30th"?
I believe (from Nalra's show) that they send you a letter in the mail.
On September 17 2013 04:26 Phyanketto wrote: Is that telling you that you're out of time, though? What do you do when you're going at age, say, 20.
Actually you can serve military in Korea as old as 30+ years old.
yeah but the older you get the more you're supposed to have a valid reason for the delay, I assume (I'm not korean). Or rather, more stringent standards for allowing a delay. A 19 year old can probably list education pretty easily, even if they aren't enrolled somewhere.
most of the popular BJs just support themselves as a streamer. The vast majority of income isn't from tournament winnings either (except maybe killer), it's from random like 500 dollar balloon (~45 USD) showmatches or so. And viewer donations directly of course.
I use that as an example because I'm pretty sure that's what best and jangbi just did, they had 2 bo3 showmatches each for 500 balloons. Many of the "X vs Y" on stream are some type of showmatch like that. Pretty good deal to get ~30 dollars for an hour long showmatch.
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
ya, that's the thing. He was supposed to go to the military Sept 26th as I recall but he was able to change it. I guess playing in a tournament can be used to delay it? confusing lol.
Out of curiosity, how do you even enlist in the military? Do you just show up to an office and say "I'm ready to start now?" or do you have to say "I start on June 30th"?
All I know is that Nalra got a letter in the mail saying that he has to do his military service when they were filming Old Boy. Other than that, I dunno how you enlist or how to delay. Your reason for delaying must be a good reason I presume but not sure what is considered a good reason.
On September 17 2013 00:10 BigFan wrote: Something that I wonder is if infact these guys joining SOSPA will go to the military at the times they specified. We've heard a year from most of them and as far as I know, you can't delay if it you are playing in SOSPA compared to PL/OSL/MSL so I guess it's a given that they will leave around a year from now?
BeSt was said to leave in september but is on the list for SRT17, so not sure.
ya, that's the thing. He was supposed to go to the military Sept 26th as I recall but he was able to change it. I guess playing in a tournament can be used to delay it? confusing lol.
Out of curiosity, how do you even enlist in the military? Do you just show up to an office and say "I'm ready to start now?" or do you have to say "I start on June 30th"?
All I know is that Nalra got a letter in the mail saying that he has to do his military service when they were filming Old Boy. Other than that, I dunno how you enlist or how to delay. Your reason for delaying must be a good reason I presume but not sure what is considered a good reason.
If he's still enrolled in a University or recently sustained an injury, he can delay it. If you want to enlist before they call you up, you apply at the Ministry of Defense I think.
You can be like Pusan and just never go. I swear to god he was saying how SSL7 was supposed to be his final BW league before military and .. well, 1 year later ...
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4. 벤젠 5. 매치 포인트
maps are neo electric circuit, new wind and cloud (I think), neo empire of the sun, benzene, match point. bringing back proleague 2011!
edit: I see no jaehoon nor best. No jangbi either but that is less of a surprise to me personally. Jaehoon and best stream frequently (jaehoon does a lot). And no bisu yet.
I AM CHOBO TRANSLATOR AND DON'T KNOW ALL KOREAN PROGAMER NAMES so there may be mistakes here, like two cola and two scan can't be right xD
21st September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group A, Opening - Terror VS Hi, Zeus] VS ChRh 22nd September- Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group B - Britney VS Hm[ArnC] , Larva VS HiyA 24th September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group C - Cola VS ScanSky VS Mong 25th September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group D - Pusan VS Ample , StarCue VS Ever)Z(Starry 26th September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group E - by.hero VS Scan (Wut Scan playing twice, might be my mistake...) , kkong VS Mini 27th September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group F - Cola VS sSak , Lazy VS KaZe_Hyun 28th September - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group G - ZergMaN VS `iOps]..Han, Sea VS Hint 1st October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 32 Group H - KiLLeR VS Shuttle , LearN..1023 VS beast
2nd October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 16 Group A 3rd October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 16 Group B 4th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 16 Group C 8th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 16 Group D 8th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 8 AB 9th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 8 CD 10th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Round of 4 AB 11th October - Sinbal Farm 17th Ranking Starleague Finals and Third Place match
1st Place: 1,000,000 won (USD$920.47) 2nd Place: 500,000 won (USD$460.24) 3rd Place: 300,000 won (USD$276.14)
Map Pool: Neo Electric Circuit Neo Wind and Cloud Empire of the Sun Benzene Match Point
On September 17 2013 12:58 Phyanketto wrote: Dude, ChRh is playing?!
I could be wrong, I don't know all current progamer names, only some, so I'm relying on liquipedia and google a lot to work out who they are. Someone more fluent/aware can fix up any mistakes I made.
EDIT People in Sonic's FB comments have picked up on Scan playing twice, so it's probably a mistake on Sonic's part.
On September 17 2013 12:58 Phyanketto wrote: Dude, ChRh is playing?!
I could be wrong, I don't know all current progamer names, only some, so I'm relying on liquipedia and google a lot to work out who they are. Someone more fluent/aware can fix up any mistakes I made.
EDIT People in Sonic's FB comments have picked up on Scan playing twice, so it's probably a mistake on Sonic's part.
If it was ChRh, I would be so happy. I would only be happier if NaDa or Casy played.
Clarification on players: This list is very very preliminary. Evident in that both Cola and Scan are listed twice.
It is the real ChRh. Hm[ArnC] is ex-STX B-Teamer/Trainee. Oops..Jaesun is Starry (Ever)Z(Starry, Amateur). It's KaZe_Hyun. Ever)T(Hansol is `iOps]..Han. It's LearN..1023.
On September 17 2013 13:53 Epoxide wrote: Clarification on players: This list is very very preliminary. Evident in that both Cola and Scan are listed twice.
It is the real ChRh. Hm[ArnC] is ex-STX B-Teamer/Trainee. Oops..Jaesun is Starry (Ever)Z(Starry, Amateur). It's KaZe_Hyun. Ever)T(Hansol is `iOps]..Han. It's LearN..1023.
Group F : Tyson vs Ssak and Lazy vs 윤태현(Z) - 27 Group G : Zergman vs 손진우(T) and Sea vs Hint - 28 Group H : Killer vs Shuttle and LearN..1023 vs beast - 1 oct
On September 17 2013 21:16 kerpal wrote: what happened to calm/clam? does anyone know? Has he gone into the army? Liquipedia just lists him as a teamless sc2 player.
He and another former Soul coach are supposedly starting military service sometime afaik.
On September 16 2013 20:28 snipealot wrote: Sonic has announced the following players today:
S2 Kwanro
4 more to go
With the SRT17 player announcement he listed three players that are confirmed for SSL9, dunno if these two lists are related. Those three players are JangBi, s2, and Kwanro.
On September 16 2013 20:28 snipealot wrote: Sonic has announced the following players today:
S2 Kwanro
4 more to go
With the SRT17 player announcement he listed three players that are confirmed for SSL9, dunno if these two lists are related. Those three players are JangBi, s2, and Kwanro.
Horangnabi: this guy on light flying retire thread said » "Light said he refused the invitation from SOSPA(not mean he would not stream bw of course), and he would not transform to LoL. He will focus on learning something useful before join the military service."
Horangnabi: here is a more accurate translation of..“취미로 하고 있긴 한데 공부가 우선이다. 아직 소닉 스타리그 섭외 요청 등은 받지 못했다”고 답한 뒤 “LOL 전향도 현실적으로 힘들다는 것을 알기 때문에 1년 정도는 하고 싶은 공부를 하고 나서 입대할 예정이다. 이후의 진로는 군생활을 하면서 신중하게 고민하겠다” » he says something like » I am curreently playing BW for fun/as a hobby but sutdying comes first. I have YET to receive an invite for SSL » and then the part about LoL is realistically i know a conversion to LoL is hard (for me) so after studying for a year I plan to enroll in th army and hten he says at the end » my path after army i will have to deeply think about » i felt that guy was sorta anti SOSPA is in his translation lol
As light said this I will make an effort to contact him. Seems like SSL9 will have almost 10 new players. With Jangbi, Great, Kwanro S2 + 4 unannounced players, you can expect great things. (iffy translation but gets the point across)
ssl 9 isn't announced yet, just obviously people want it to happen. And it will, but don't think it has been announced a confirmed sponsor is in (besides anything sinbal farm puts in, i.e. sonic)
On September 19 2013 04:37 N.geNuity wrote: ssl 9 isn't announced yet, just obviously people want it to happen. And it will, but don't think it has been announced a confirmed sponsor is in (besides anything sinbal farm puts in, i.e. sonic)
Hopefully SSL9 can ride the wave of SCBW Asia Masters Open's popularity in terms of prizepool. Perhaps that gives Sonic a chip to bargain with when seeking sponsors.
Mind was suppose to be the next best terran along flash but somehow he couldn't go for the extra length. Welcome back mind more terran equals more fun .
The other 3 being Light, Flying and ZerO probably.
Y'know that in the future there will probably be prelim/qualifier round for SSL. And I hope SSL gets big enough to be hosted on OGN. That's ALL I want. Is to have BW be on OGN again.
On September 27 2013 01:37 Sawamura wrote: Mind was suppose to be the next best terran along flash but somehow he couldn't go for the extra length. Welcome back mind more terran equals more fun .
I beg to differ.
I doubt any1 other than KT fans thought that Mind would be the next big Terran, at least not before Fantasy become one.
On October 02 2013 01:20 snipealot wrote: Sonic just confirmed Bisu as one of the remaining 4 players for SSL9 (this was live on stream so I don't have a quote to translate for you)
wow Big news! Hope to see Jangbi there, possibly zerO and someone else lol
On October 02 2013 01:20 snipealot wrote: Sonic just confirmed Bisu as one of the remaining 4 players for SSL9 (this was live on stream so I don't have a quote to translate for you)
Light vs Zerg and reach to final only to be JangBanged will make my day!
I feel that we are going to see many KT rookies retire soon and with Star's reduction, we don't have to worry about fresh blood.
I have a good feeling that Sonic is delaying SSL to maximize the amount of retirees as much as possible to have a shot in the league. And I also think that the viewership of SSL will drastically improve when it happens so Sonic will have even a bigger bargaining chip with sponsors for the next one.
On October 02 2013 01:20 snipealot wrote: Sonic just confirmed Bisu as one of the remaining 4 players for SSL9 (this was live on stream so I don't have a quote to translate for you)
Woah, woah, WOAH! This good new. Of the best kind. Bisu fighting! (Here is where I admit that while I follow the TLS and the DRTL, I do not watch the SSL. That is about to change.)
On October 02 2013 09:06 juki wrote: I don't know if this has been reported yet, but Sonic just posted this a few hours ago, it's a list of players in the 9th SSL lineup:
Jangbi Kwanro s2 Great Mind
Their participation has been discussed in various capacities recently but this is the closest thing I've seen to an official announcement thus far.
That is a huge lineup of old greats this is going to be good for whatever is to happen in the SSL can't wait any longer . Can't I use operation cwal to speed things up ?
On September 27 2013 01:37 Sawamura wrote: Mind was suppose to be the next best terran along flash but somehow he couldn't go for the extra length. Welcome back mind more terran equals more fun .
I beg to differ.
I doubt any1 other than KT fans thought that Mind would be the next big Terran, at least not before Fantasy become one.
/SKT fan :p
There is a reason I said that not because I am a (KT Fan ) but the fact that he pwned bisu in MSL shows that he has the skill to become a great player in the same light as Flash. Also Fantasy is oov puppet too bad he couldn't win the last two osl . Just take a look at the stack of talented players mind have to go through just to win GoM Msl 2007 http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/132_GOMTV_MSL_S3 and tell me that he had it easy.
On October 07 2013 16:48 Stratos wrote: With Jangbi pulling out of BJ Starleague due to familly issues (probably), I'm not sure if we can still expect him in SSL
Sonic still seem sure as he is still on the list announced today. I share your sentiments though.
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Epic lineup nonetheless.
Light isn't a one matchup wonder. His TvT is good too. And during practice his TvP is really excellent. It's just that at one point in his career he had a series of bad TvP losses on TV and he got really nervous every time he had to play a TvP in a live match.
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Epic lineup nonetheless.
Last and Bogus.
idk bogus got destroyed 2-0 by lx of all people in stx masters
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Epic lineup nonetheless.
Last and Bogus.
People seem to forget about Reality too.
He defeated Flash and Jaedong near the end of BW progaming. He have the strategy to execute the dirtiest cheese and the mechanics to play straight up macro games.
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Epic lineup nonetheless.
Last and Bogus.
idk bogus got destroyed 2-0 by lx of all people in stx masters
In 2010, yes. Afaik that was even before he beat sAviOr in the NATE MSL groups and before he became a staple for STX in Proleague.
Jangbi not playing kwanroo dont know s2 ok? great not playing much also just started playing after 2 years in army mind not sure bisu ok pure just started playing after 2 years in army/sc2
Honestly, I even have a hard time coming up with candidates for terran retirees, apart from F&F (OMG if one of them would play BW again...). Some of the up and comers maybe? How are Last, Turn, Reality doing in SC2, anyone know? I guess Bogus is out of the question lol.
Is it just me or was BW pretty thin on awesome terrans towards the end. Yes the statistics were decent for terran winrates but half of those were generally Flash & Fanta. Behind those guys you had some hard slumpers like Sea, inconsistent ones like Baby/Hiya, one matchup wonders like Light, Skyhigh. I guess Leta was the most consistent terran excluding the two S-classers.
Epic lineup nonetheless.
Reality and Last were doing good for a while but STX disbanded so not sure where Last is now. Dunno how reality is doing these days either. Turn is doing fine, nothing outstanding or anything lol. Needs improvement
whenever i load up a stream in afreeca the streams stay up for a minute then it says "preview has ended" in Korean. Anyone know why? It also doesnt show in the video player on the left but in a popup
On October 09 2013 13:27 hydrogg wrote: whenever i load up a stream in afreeca the streams stay up for a minute then it says "preview has ended" in Korean. Anyone know why? It also doesnt show in the video player on the left but in a popup
You are probably trying to watch a full streams main room. Use the client to search for the BJs ID and click one of the alternate rooms
전 CJ팀 진영화,윤찬희,전태규,노재상,한상봉 전 SKT팀 최호선,김택용,임홍규,이승석,박세정 전 MBC팀 박지호,염보성,김재훈,지영훈,박수범 전 STX팀 철구,변현제,김윤중,조일장,김경효 전 KT 팀 김태영,박성균,김규회,배성흠,한재선 전 화승 팀 하늘,구성훈,유진우,공민창,이창우 전 삼성 박성준,허영무,차명환,노강호,샤이니 아마 올스타팀 (멤버모집중)
총 8팀입니다. 현재 상금규모는 1위 800만원 2위 200만원
여러분들의 의견을 듣고 싶습니다.
후원업체는 신발팜 스베누입니다.
4강과 결승은 오프라인 진행이며(소닉TV 오픈스튜디오) (선수들 전 차비지원 및 숙박지원) 입니다.
아직 섭외가 완료 된건 아닌데. 랭킹전이 끝나고 9차 스타리그 들어가기전 프로리그 진행 예전부터 생각해왔던 엔트리들을 짜서 만들어 본겁니다.
제 개인적인 생각은 전 CJ팀에서 스폰을 예제) 신발팜을 받는다고 하면. 전 CJ팀명이 아니라 신발팜 팀명이 되는것이고. 각 기업의 스폰업체가 나오기전에는 전 < CJ팀 전 SKT팀 이런식으로 팀명이 붙을겁니다.
총 8팀이며 아마 올스타팀은 피시섭 및 아마추어 고수들을 모집해서 계속 진행할것이며 각 팀의 소속된 선수들도 유망주 아마추어들을 뽑을수 있는 그런 구조 입니다.
전 CJ팀 진영화,윤찬희,전태규,노재상,한상봉 전 SKT팀 최호선,김택용,임홍규,이승석,박세정 전 MBC팀 박지호,염보성,김재훈,지영훈,박수범 전 STX팀 철구,변현제,김윤중,조일장,김경효 전 KT 팀 김태영,박성균,김규회,배성흠,한재선 전 화승 팀 하늘,구성훈,유진우,공민창,이창우 전 삼성 박성준,허영무,차명환,노강호,샤이니 아마 올스타팀 (멤버모집중)
총 8팀입니다. 현재 상금규모는 1위 800만원 2위 200만원
여러분들의 의견을 듣고 싶습니다.
후원업체는 신발팜 스베누입니다.
4강과 결승은 오프라인 진행이며(소닉TV 오픈스튜디오) (선수들 전 차비지원 및 숙박지원) 입니다.
아직 섭외가 완료 된건 아닌데. 랭킹전이 끝나고 9차 스타리그 들어가기전 프로리그 진행 예전부터 생각해왔던 엔트리들을 짜서 만들어 본겁니다.
제 개인적인 생각은 전 CJ팀에서 스폰을 예제) 신발팜을 받는다고 하면. 전 CJ팀명이 아니라 신발팜 팀명이 되는것이고. 각 기업의 스폰업체가 나오기전에는 전 < CJ팀 전 SKT팀 이런식으로 팀명이 붙을겁니다.
총 8팀이며 아마 올스타팀은 피시섭 및 아마추어 고수들을 모집해서 계속 진행할것이며 각 팀의 소속된 선수들도 유망주 아마추어들을 뽑을수 있는 그런 구조 입니다.
우선 의견을 물어보기 위해 이 글을 올리는것이니 여러분들의 의견 부탁드립니다.
-Sonic's FB
Translate pls?
Teamleague? Google translate says something about final four teams playing offline at sonic studio :O Sounds like serious business.
Approximately 8 teams. Atm. the first prize is 8000000KRW (approx. 7500USD) Second place 2000000 (approx. 1850USD)
I want to hear your opinion.
The sponsor is shinbalfarm 스베누 (I think this is a shoebrand sonic has made and is trying to make popular)
Ro4 and the grand finals will be played offline in the new shinbalfarm studio (all expenses paid for the attending players during)
Although details have not been finalized I've been thinking that I will try to include entries(players?) from the old proleague days and do this in between SRT17 and SSL9.
In my personal opinion the team names should be temporary, and if for example "Ex. CJ" gets sponsored by Shinbalfarm they will be named "Team Shinbalfarm".
In the case of the 8th team it will be structure in a way where they can continously recruit among the best amateur gosus on fish and each respective team can pick up the rising stars from this team(?? unclear)
I've written this post in order to get your opinions so please tell me what you think.
전 CJ팀 진영화,윤찬희,전태규,노재상,한상봉 전 SKT팀 최호선,김택용,임홍규,이승석,박세정 전 MBC팀 박지호,염보성,김재훈,지영훈,박수범 전 STX팀 철구,변현제,김윤중,조일장,김경효 전 KT 팀 김태영,박성균,김규회,배성흠,한재선 전 화승 팀 하늘,구성훈,유진우,공민창,이창우 전 삼성 박성준,허영무,차명환,노강호,샤이니 아마 올스타팀 (멤버모집중)
총 8팀입니다. 현재 상금규모는 1위 800만원 2위 200만원
여러분들의 의견을 듣고 싶습니다.
후원업체는 신발팜 스베누입니다.
4강과 결승은 오프라인 진행이며(소닉TV 오픈스튜디오) (선수들 전 차비지원 및 숙박지원) 입니다.
아직 섭외가 완료 된건 아닌데. 랭킹전이 끝나고 9차 스타리그 들어가기전 프로리그 진행 예전부터 생각해왔던 엔트리들을 짜서 만들어 본겁니다.
제 개인적인 생각은 전 CJ팀에서 스폰을 예제) 신발팜을 받는다고 하면. 전 CJ팀명이 아니라 신발팜 팀명이 되는것이고. 각 기업의 스폰업체가 나오기전에는 전 < CJ팀 전 SKT팀 이런식으로 팀명이 붙을겁니다.
총 8팀이며 아마 올스타팀은 피시섭 및 아마추어 고수들을 모집해서 계속 진행할것이며 각 팀의 소속된 선수들도 유망주 아마추어들을 뽑을수 있는 그런 구조 입니다.
Didn't know Hm played on KT, originally drafted in the KeSPA Rookie Draft in 2010 for STX. Also didn't know Starry was an ex-pro either, Hint and Hi are amateurs too.
전 CJ팀 진영화,윤찬희,전태규,노재상,한상봉 전 SKT팀 최호선,김택용,임홍규,이승석,박세정 전 MBC팀 박지호,염보성,김재훈,지영훈,박수범 전 STX팀 철구,변현제,김윤중,조일장,김경효 전 KT 팀 김태영,박성균,김규회,배성흠,한재선 전 화승 팀 하늘,구성훈,유진우,공민창,이창우 전 삼성 박성준,허영무,차명환,노강호,샤이니 아마 올스타팀 (멤버모집중)
총 8팀입니다. 현재 상금규모는 1위 800만원 2위 200만원
여러분들의 의견을 듣고 싶습니다.
후원업체는 신발팜 스베누입니다.
4강과 결승은 오프라인 진행이며(소닉TV 오픈스튜디오) (선수들 전 차비지원 및 숙박지원) 입니다.
아직 섭외가 완료 된건 아닌데. 랭킹전이 끝나고 9차 스타리그 들어가기전 프로리그 진행 예전부터 생각해왔던 엔트리들을 짜서 만들어 본겁니다.
제 개인적인 생각은 전 CJ팀에서 스폰을 예제) 신발팜을 받는다고 하면. 전 CJ팀명이 아니라 신발팜 팀명이 되는것이고. 각 기업의 스폰업체가 나오기전에는 전 < CJ팀 전 SKT팀 이런식으로 팀명이 붙을겁니다.
총 8팀이며 아마 올스타팀은 피시섭 및 아마추어 고수들을 모집해서 계속 진행할것이며 각 팀의 소속된 선수들도 유망주 아마추어들을 뽑을수 있는 그런 구조 입니다.
우선 의견을 물어보기 위해 이 글을 올리는것이니 여러분들의 의견 부탁드립니다.
-Sonic's FB
Translate pls?
Teamleague? Google translate says something about final four teams playing offline at sonic studio :O Sounds like serious business.
Someone's more on the ball than me- I just came here from facebook to ask for a translation!! This looks awesome... I'm trying not to be excited too early but it's hard!
Just so you guys don't get too excited - sonic has tried this pretty often and it's very very hard to do a teamleague over a long period of time due to conflicting schedules. IF it does happen it will most probably be reduced to a short 8-team cup spanning a week or two. The post made by sonic is basically him thinking out loud after having had a chat with maybe a few players, that's it.
Edit: Note that he has only announced himself(his company) as the sponsor, nothing else. This is not set in stone.
On October 10 2013 19:22 snipealot wrote: Just so you guys don't get too excited - sonic has tried this pretty often and it's very very hard to do a teamleague over a long period of time due to conflicting schedules. IF it does happen it will most probably be reduced to a short 8-team cup spanning a week or two. The post made by sonic is basically him thinking out loud after having had a chat with maybe a few players, that's it.
perhaps with the addition of more players back into sospa the teams will have deep enough squads to overcome scheduling difficulties. If each team has 8 players then they're more likely to be able to find 4 to play on any given day.
Who are the sponsor? None... Do we have any idea about this? Whats the point of teams without a Name !! xD I want new labels to add for my fav team yay
Sonic put an image up on Facebook, looks like the SOSPA ELO rankings. Killer in #1, HiyA #2, Sea #3. Can't be bothered squinting my eyes to work out the rest
got a bit nostalgic reading the second half of that list. thinking about bdagger's interview with feat. wondering where Perfectman is.. I just wish SSL9 was here already + Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2013 06:02 BigFan wrote: Sea not #1? How does this work? :S He's won the last 4 SRTs almost all against Killer. Would've figured he'll be #1 over Hiya and Killer >.>
It will be all time ranking, not just from the last few. It'll be calculated rather than just a power rank of current skill, so it may take a while for Sea to pass Killer and HiyA.
On October 22 2013 06:19 Epoxide wrote: It's still dumb and should be laughed at, it doesn't make sense
It's an all time point ranking, if you understand it then it makes perfect sense and isn't dumb :/ although I suspect they're just using stock standard ELO, which doesn't take into account skill drift.
On October 22 2013 06:24 Epoxide wrote: HiyA has less titles than Sea. He wasn't good for a longer period. He was never dominant in the scene. He had worse win percentage.
아직 공개 못했던 엔트리 공개하겠습니다 웅진 전 프로 김명운 저그와 웅진 전 프로 임진묵 테란 입니다 요요핫 저 놀고만 있는거 아닙니다ㅜㅜ섭외^^!!
I'll announce the entry I couldn't make public yet. It's Woongjin ex-pros ZerO and PianO. I'm not just fooling aroundㅜㅜConfirmed^^!!
And just to confirm this over and over again.. 9차스타리그는 프로리그 끝나고 진행합니다 12월 중 겨울방학 시즌입니다 SSL9 will begin right after SPL is over, it'll be the season of the winter break in December.
I don't like how he said 'squeeze', that normally means a really tight schedule :/
He literally says "I will try to 잡다 (catch/arrest/find/arrange) schedule". So yeah, it'll probably be something tight and shorter. Here I'll agree with Epoxide who says it's a good start considering people have been asking for SSL9 a lot lately and a long-spanning ProLeague would be difficult to manage anyway.
Ah, so it's finally official, Zero has come to Afreeca. One thing I've learned in the past a couple months is that Afreeca chatrooms > dcinside as far as the latest (and most accurate) rumours are concerned.
On October 27 2013 18:04 Ryo wrote: Ah, so it's finally official, Zero has come to Afreeca. One thing I've learned in the past a couple months is that Afreeca chatrooms > dcinside as far as the latest (and most accurate) rumours are concerned.
On October 27 2013 18:04 Ryo wrote: Ah, so it's finally official, Zero has come to Afreeca. One thing I've learned in the past a couple months is that Afreeca chatrooms > dcinside as far as the latest (and most accurate) rumours are concerned.
On October 28 2013 00:09 chaosTheory_14cc wrote: Yes! Can't wait to watch Zero stream.
Also, does Light intend on competing in any Sonic tournaments?
In a recent interview he said no, he doesn't want the pressure. At the moment, he's not even accepting sponsored matches. However, things might change as time passes, who knows.
On November 07 2013 14:45 Epoxide wrote: New studio opens next sunday!
I think the original article is from DES, but I read it on StarCraft Times, a Japanese newsite.
Popular BJ (Broadcast Jockey) Sonic is opening a new studio in attempt to gather more audience/viewers.
Sonic, who operates Sonic TV, is preparing a new studio in Seoul City's Gangseo District Gayang-dong, located on the 7th floor of the Miracle Building equipped with spectator seats.Up until the recent SSL9, Sonic TV occupied a corner of an office building with booths, but with this new official studio, they hope that the players can compete in a comfortable environment.
The opening day is set for the 10th, but plans on opening the studio to the public is still undecided. Sonic TV is planning on hosting an invitational tournament with fan favorites and using that opportunity to open the studio to the general public.
Sonic said, "The studio isn't really any bigger than before, but I tried my best to create an environment where the players and fans can enjoy the matches. I plan on hosting a (venue with) fun series for the opening match(/ceremony) soon so please look forward to it."
In other news, Sonic TV is currently hosting a tournament with teams consisting of retired Broodwar players and is gaining quite a bit of popularity.
[Original Article: Daily eSports Nam Yun-seong thenam@dailyesports.com] [Japanese Translation: StarCraft Times Shuiniao]
There's something on Sonic's facebook about running tournaments using his new studio, my Korean's bad and google translate doesn't clarify much but as far as I can tell he's announcing a new tournament, winner takes all, with casting by 이승원 (this guy: )
소닉TV 오픈 스튜디오 기념으로! 슈퍼매치를 하려고 합니다. 총 4주차로 진행 될 예정이며. 오프라인 리그로 진행 됩니다. 슈퍼매치는 여러분들의 원하는 가장 보고 싶은 매치를 뽑아주시면 됩니다. 예제) 김택용 VS 박준오 5판3선 - 상금 100만원 (이긴 선수가 그날 상금 100만원입니다.) 토너먼트 방식이 아닌. 그날 승리를 하면 상금 100만원을 받게 됩니다. 5판 3선 상금 - 100만원입니다. (1:1) 해설진은 김태형 해설과 이승원 해설을 섭외 예정에 있으며. 11월 3주차부터 오프라인 소닉TV 스튜디오에서 할 예정입니다. 스타를 정말 좋아하시는 보드 렌탈 전문업체 보드트레이더가 후원을 하려고 합니다. 직원분들 전부가 스타를 좋아하셔서 신기 합니다 ^^ 한달 동안 총 4번의 슈퍼매치를 준비중이며. 후원만 한달동안 1500이 넘는 후원을 해주려고 하고 있습니다. 자세한 사항은 회사 홈페이지와 사이트를 공개 할때 말씀 드릴려고 합니다^^
On November 08 2013 14:55 Hesmyrr wrote: That's just an example given. Viewers are supposed to suggest the matches, hold on a minute will try to make quick translation.
Lol How the fuck did I miss that? Didnt even notice the third line.
소닉TV 오픈 스튜디오 기념으로! 슈퍼매치를 하려고 합니다. 총 4주차로 진행 될 예정이며. 오프라인 리그로 진행 됩니다. 슈퍼매치는 여러분들의 원하는 가장 보고 싶은 매치를 뽑아주시면 됩니다. 예제) 김택용 VS 박준오 5판3선 - 상금 100만원 (이긴 선수가 그날 상금 100만원입니다.) 토너먼트 방식이 아닌. 그날 승리를 하면 상금 100만원을 받게 됩니다. 5판 3선 상금 - 100만원입니다. (1:1) 해설진은 김태형 해설과 이승원 해설을 섭외 예정에 있으며. 11월 3주차부터 오프라인 소닉TV 스튜디오에서 할 예정입니다. 스타를 정말 좋아하시는 보드 렌탈 전문업체 보드트레이더가 후원을 하려고 합니다. 직원분들 전부가 스타를 좋아하셔서 신기 합니다 ^^ 한달 동안 총 4번의 슈퍼매치를 준비중이며. 후원만 한달동안 1500이 넘는 후원을 해주려고 하고 있습니다. 자세한 사항은 회사 홈페이지와 사이트를 공개 할때 말씀 드릴려고 합니다^^
In celebration of opening of new SonicTV studio, I plan to have Supermatches. It'll take place over 4 weeks and will be offline. For Supermatch, just select the match you want to see the most.
Example) Bisu vs Killer Bo5 -- $940 price ($940 immediately given to the winner at the day of victory)
Not a tournament format, the winner just takes the price at the spot. The format will be 1:1 Bo5 will fixed price of $940. Currently we are trying to recruit Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won for the casting, and plans to start offline at SonicTV studio at third week of November.
This event is sponsored by board rental company 'Boardtrader'(?) who loves Starcraft. Every employee there loves Starcraft which is quite amazing ^^ So we're preparing for 4 Supermatches over course of the month, with support of 1500 for one month (?) I'll give you specific details when I announce you that company's homepage later on ^^
Its good seeing former BW fans, now entering into their career mode with financial stability to inject fund into the scene. "What goes around comes around." And the passion is rendering into cash flow.
Wow... this is riduculous... ridiculously amazing.
To see some people go to such lengths for a game... their passion never ceases to amaze. We get a better studio now with plans to use it more frequently? Mind is blown really.
Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
From Sonic's Facebook, he said he's had two 50inch TVs installed by the booths so the fans can see the players' FPV at all times while the games are being played, in real time
현재 미팅 업체만 3군데 정데 정도 더 남아있습니다. 조만간 프로리그 스폰서에 관해서도 들어온 업체가 있는데 아직 계약도장 찍기전이라 말 못하고 있습니다- 9차 소닉스타리그의 오프라인 현장은 그럴싸하게! 현재 꾸미고 있으며. 선수들의 개인화면을 50인치 TV를 통해 각 선수들의 개인화면도 오프라인 현장에서 보실수 있습니다.(선수들의 개인화면 온라인 송출은 고민중!)
4개월동안 은행.대기업 음료업체.온라인 대기업업체 등 여러곳을 돌아다니면서 스폰을 찾고 있습니다. 12월달 미팅 업체가 정말 큰 업체 3군데가 남아있는데. 9차 스타리그 스폰서에 관해 성공할진 모르겠지만 열심히 준비 한대로 미팅 잘해보겠습니다.
12월 중에서 말로 생각하시면 될것 같구요. 스폰서 작업이 잘 안될시에는 신발팜 또는 스베누가 후원하는 9차 스타리그가 진행 됩니다.
현재 프로리그로 많은분들이 좋아해주셔서 너무 감사합니다.
어떤 스폰이 들어오든 여러분들이 정말 적극적으로 열성적으로 도움 주시면 전 너무 감사할것 같습니다. 스폰 금액을 얼마 받든. 하나도 남김없이. 마이너스가 되더라도 이번 9차 스타리그 멋지게 해볼테니 여러분들도 응원 많이 해주시구요.
방송은 화요일 수요일 목요일 금요일 이렇게 4일 연속 할 예정입니다. 지금 예비군때문에 새벽6시에 일어나야 하다보니 조금 부담은 됩니다! ㅠㅠ 여러분들 응원 항상 감사히 받고 있으며. 페이스북에.아프리카 쪽지로. 이메일로. 그리고 제 핸드폰으로! 응원 정말 잘 받고 있습니다. 묵묵히 지켜보면서 뒤에서 엄지를 들어주시는 우리 시청자분들에게도 감사드리며. 9차 스타리그 오프라인때 여러분들을 뵙고 싶습니다. 8차 때보다 소닉이 많이 노력했구나. 이런 느낌이 들만한 퀄리티로 여러분들을 찾아 뵙겠습니다!
Sonic's update regarding SSL sponsorship. It's a bit too technical for me and I don't think many people would be interested in the details anyway, so this is just a very lazy summary that might not be too acurate, but anyway: Sonic is dealing with some companies about the sponsorship and still has some meetings to attend (notably some 3 important ones in December). If there's no contract he'll just sponsor SSL9 with Sinbalfarm/SBENU (his business).
It should be offline (not sure if all/how many rounds) at the new SonicTV studio probably in late December as previously announced. There are 50 inch screens installed for player's FPVs. Casts should be on tuesday, wednesday, thursday and friday.
Some sponsorship for the currently ongoing SPL is also in progress but no specific details yet since it's not a done deal. Guess that means there'll be some real prize money distributed (atm there's only a reward for 5/10/15 consecutively won clan-wars neither of which seems too likely to happen). Alternatively some team might find a new sponsor. We'll see I guess. That's really it, otherwise it's Sonic asking for a lot of support and love etc. and thanking for it.
On November 16 2013 19:54 Stratos wrote: Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
I can't add Sonic's personal Facebook he's reached the 5000 friend limit...
On November 16 2013 19:54 Stratos wrote: Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
I can't add Sonic's personal Facebook he's reached the 5000 friend limit...
He's aware of it so I assume he'll start reposting his stuff on the sospa page too. If not, you should still be able to get like updates from anything public he posts etc.?
does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
On December 29 2013 09:06 masterbreti wrote: does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
On December 29 2013 09:06 masterbreti wrote: does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
On December 29 2013 09:06 masterbreti wrote: does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
On December 29 2013 09:06 masterbreti wrote: does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
on that same note, anyone want to join me?
;_;
Did i miss something?
He is just being jelly.
I figured as much, if I go i'm going to take a bunch of pictures for you guys and post them on here.
On November 16 2013 19:54 Stratos wrote: Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
I can't add Sonic's personal Facebook he's reached the 5000 friend limit...
On November 16 2013 19:54 Stratos wrote: Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
I can't add Sonic's personal Facebook he's reached the 5000 friend limit...
Oops, I added him when he had 4999. Sorry >_<
Fuck you xP jk goddammit Facebook remove the limit
On December 29 2013 09:06 masterbreti wrote: does anyone know the location of the studios? I've been wanting to go since it opened but i have no idea the address, so i thought i would go for the first day of ssl.
on that same note, anyone want to join me?
The group selection ceremony is I believe confirmed as announced here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=437924 (see schedule). 6PM KST at that location, though it's best if you check Sonic's post / let someone Korean verify the details.
On November 16 2013 19:54 Stratos wrote: Apart from Sonic's personal facebook https://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt which you're all encouraged to add him on, Sonic recently started updating SonicTV page + uploading vods on youtube again after some break. Make sure you subscribe to the page, the youtube account and like those statuses! https://www.facebook.com/SOSPASTAR
I can't add Sonic's personal Facebook he's reached the 5000 friend limit...
EPT
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Hodduk Starleague
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Killer, ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon.png)
Hiya, ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon.png)
Sick[Kal], 
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Killer, 
Hiya, 
Sick[Kal], 
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anymore (some of the restreams have it at that).
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Can anyone translate please?
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