Important messages: The official language of TL is english, if you want to make a post/thread and discuss you must use english, fans (chinese) while on the platform can use PM's to talk in Chinese, however posts in the forums should be in english else there is the possibility of warnings / bans ~ 注意事项：TL.net的正式语言是英文，如果想要贴或讨论必须用英文，水友之间在这个平台上可以用“PM”（悄悄话）里中文沟通，但是写到论坛上的最好用英文否则有可能被封号的~
所有我与正式人员谈话乃至其它参加，赞助，观察，和欣赏中国与外国星际社团的人员的交流都会放到这个贴上.比赛时间表，参加信息，播放频道，和联赛信息都会先放到这里。欢迎大家的监视和跟随来确保信息的正确，准确和相关程度。 This thread will be used to update any formal discussions between me and any others who may choose to participate, sponsor, monitor, or speculate on interchanges between the Chinese and Foreign BW community. Time lines of events, exchanges, schedules, streams, and tournaments will all be posted here first. We welcome open scruntiny and public inspection to ensure the validity, accuracy, and relevance of the information.
7/2 2012: 暂时转播方案：直播员允许时会发replay给我方; 不允许时把VODS按各场赛分开， 标好选手ID/种族来方便重播和用英文解说盖过原声. Temporary streaming solution: Casters will send replays where possible; else, break up broadcasted VODS into individual games and label/attach information of player ID / race for re-streaming / recasting with English commentary over the audio.
7/3 2012: 尝试和wfbrood.com管理员scsronaldo(所长), playsc.com, s.163.com建立联系 Attempting to establish contact with wfbrood.com administrator scsronaldo, playsc.com, s.163.com
7/5 Established contact with liansai.net representative jxsa.zergling 和liansai.net代表jxsa.zergling取得联系
Replay的发送应为选手要求的原因要等到所有比赛结束才行。 转播和观看直播是允许的。 Can not distribute replays until the entire tournament is over out of respect for the players. Restreaming and tuning into the live stream is permitted.
转播和观看直播是可以的。 Restreaming and tuning into the live stream is permitted. 使用replay做英文直播和评论是允许的。 Using replays for English commentary / live stream is permitted.
中国星际代表和有关人士联系方式通过同意后可登在这： Contact informations of Chinese organizers / personnel to be listed here with permission:
Credits! New section to thank the people who are contributing to this project directly or indirectly. I won't list Chinese players / admins etc because there would just be too many to list, just people in this community. Nevertheless the biggest credit is to the entire Chinese community, players, casters, organizers, administrators, and managers for keeping Chinese BW alive and active for all these years. 这个部分是留给对这个项目-直接与不直接-付出以及帮助了的人. 我不会把每个这方面有帮助和付出中国选手/管理者应为实在是太多了没位置，只会把这个社团里的人列出来. 但是最大的荣誉还是归功于整个中国星际社区，包括选手，直播员，组织者，管理者，和经理，感谢他（她）们一直努力让中国星际能继续活跃到今天. + Show Spoiler +
Hafnium and Heroes for their work organizing Chinese team for foreign tournaments. Xiphos for doing work for the CFTB and liquipedia. Endy, ]343[, stevewch for doing work for liquipedia. TheShimmy / Stratos for actively looking to broadcast. Messi for trying to cast / stream korean platforms / players. bgvrt / LRM)Game for getting koreans onto chinese platforms and doing some organizing on their own part. Eagle / Larva for continuing to be awesome, Scan / other koreans playing on ladder who don't stream on TL for being great players and attracting attention to the project.
I can not personally endorse generating Chinese ID # here, but it is possible, if you can not find a friend for one you might have to do this. All the consequences and responsibilities lie with you the user if you choose to do this. You can create multiple accounts under the same ID as far as I can tell, so feel free to share as it's not illegal or against any rules or eula's.
Instructions on how to get on Chinese platforms (similar to iccup) VS竞技游戏平台 VS.(VSA) www.vsa.com.cn
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
To get the launcher: go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http or try http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.html the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
7/3 2012 Fish 1700+, iccup A+ Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. Fish 1700+, iccup A+ 选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
7/5 Chinese team "The." under WangFeng is attempting to sign Scan to play for them in teamleagues. Wangfeng下的The.队在和Scan商量合作代表队参赛 + Show Spoiler [Team "The." 's stats] +
7/5 planning winner's interviews to be a regular feature once STL starts. 讨论-准备每场STL开始后每场比赛作胜方采访 planning hype interviews of top teams before STL starts. 准备STL开始之前对各大实力战队采访
7/6 starting the process for interviews of teams, starting with FoR. and previous STL winner GP, preliminary structure is one team captain, one team manager, and one player from each team. 开始对队伍做采访，先采访FoR.战队和上联赛冠军GP战队，拟每队采访一个队长,一个领队,一个队员代表的形式.
7/6: Reminder that tomorrow at 21:00 KST[local] is the C-OSL offline qualifiers day 2, two groups are picked to be streamed: 提醒明天是第2天中国OSL海选赛直播， 选择了两个组直播：
7/8 Fengzi is playing on team neOx, and playing in the neox star league, the same team with savior Fengzi加入了neOx战队，参加neox star league. (和马本一队）
7/9 I'm looking for people with basic chinese reading skills and english proficiency to help update liquipedia since Liansai has a pretty good data base. Please PM me if you are interested. 我要找会读中文和有英文基础的人帮我更新星际wiki - Liquipedia -。使用liansai.net的数据库。有兴趣PM我。
7/12 People who understand the different servers (VS, HF, Fish, Brain, iccup, etc) please pm me, so I can transcribe instructions of how to register / play to appropriate threads and chinese forums. Thanks 懂得如何上服务器的 (VS,HF,Fish,Brain,iccup, etc)请pm我，我会把如何登记和使用的教程放到合理的贴和中国的论坛上，谢谢。
7/12 Talking with Eywa- and 8bb of 8da / STL to organize Chinese team / players for Gambit's cup. 和Eywa-，8da/STL的8bb谈论组织中国队伍参加Gambit's cup联赛.
7/19 Alright I'm back with some bad news and some good news. The bad news is that due to a combination of lack of team leads who will be able to persistently see the gambit cup through, worrying about lag, and the time slot, the Chinese teams can't participate in this Gambit's Cup. (that is unless something happens in the next 24 hours and we do sort everything out miraculously.
The good news is that the reaction we got from the players and organizers apart from technical difficulties was positive, every still active player that we asked expressed interest in playing in a foreign tournament, and individually forking out the entry fees wasn't a problem either, so do expect them at foreign tournaments in the future.
On behalf of Chinese teams and players I thank you for your attention and interest and apologize for the inability to participate this time, do look forward to co-operating and interacting with us in the future though!
China, it is my pleasure to cast your tourneys in English. Also Caihead, whenever the next round of the COSL starts, please send me reps/VODs whenever possible so I can cast
7/3 2012 Ex-SK Telecom T1 progamer (disputed) Fish 1700+, iccup A+ Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. 前SKT1(不确认)Fish 1700+, iccup A+ 选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
On July 03 2012 10:31 Caihead wrote: 7/3 2012 Ex-SK Telecom T1 progamer Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. 前SKT1选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
On July 03 2012 10:31 Caihead wrote: 7/3 2012 Ex-SK Telecom T1 progamer Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. 前SKT1选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
He was never a T1 progamer btw. (This has been confirmed by Larva and Eagle and I think Dove?)
On July 03 2012 10:31 Caihead wrote: 7/3 2012 Ex-SK Telecom T1 progamer Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. 前SKT1选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
He was never a T1 progamer btw. (This has been confirmed by Larva and Eagle and I think Dove?)
Well glad to see Korean and Chinese are coming together haha. I'll keep with thread bookmarked for sure. I don't this would be necessarily for me to say. I know you already have two primary casters but forwhatever reason you need me as a backup I'd be glad to help but leave to the other two casters haha.
I wish I could help translate but only been taking mandarin for about 3 years now but AP next year w00t and now I can listen and be entertained haha!
On July 03 2012 10:31 Caihead wrote: 7/3 2012 Ex-SK Telecom T1 progamer Scan has been playing Chinese ex-pros and current top tier players all night. 前SKT1选手Scan通宵对阵中国前职业以及现在顶尖选手 http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/skryoo1004
He was never a T1 progamer btw. (This has been confirmed by Larva and Eagle and I think Dove?)
Yeah, Eagle took it another step and said Scan hasn't even received a pro license.
welcome all foreign scer to visit bbs.8da.com,the best adult -and s c bbs in China. finally , let me teach you guys the most popular catchword in there 熊大威武
On July 03 2012 16:16 911degrees wrote: welcome all foreign scer to visit bbs.8da.com,the best adult -and s c bbs in China. finally , let me teach you guys the most popular catchword in there 熊大威武
On July 03 2012 16:16 911degrees wrote: welcome all foreign scer to visit bbs.8da.com,the best adult -and s c bbs in China. finally , let me teach you guys the most popular catchword in there 熊大威武
what does that mean ?
lol it means that a person in their community 熊大 is amazing/mighty
Is it possible for a mod to grant me the ability to change the liquipedia articles related to these leagues? There will be alot of changes as I recieve correct information from the organizers / teams, less work on the mods.
Great initiative and thread! The fact that the Chinese had teams, a teamleague, and individual league were all surprising news to me. It is awesome to see that Brood War is attempting to go strong.
Thank you so much Caihead, Xiphos, and others who have helped made this content accessible to us foreigners with ease.
On July 03 2012 21:22 Caihead wrote: Is it possible for a mod to grant me the ability to change the liquipedia articles related to these leagues? There will be alot of changes as I recieve correct information from the organizers / teams, less work on the mods.
You can PM pholon for that. Meanwhile, I can already validate your edits as I have the Editor status.
edit : Gecko[xp] already validated your changes, you can PM if some changes are not reviewed next time.
On July 04 2012 13:24 dRaW wrote: we should've got more connections with these guys than the koreans, so many viewers!
Yep. Right now the stream is paused because Scan is doing his laundry.
A guy commented in Chinese in the chat "中国人好无聊啊，1000多人等一个韩国人洗衣服" "Chinese people have nothing to do, 1000+ people waiting for a Korean to wash his clothes"
I'm not that good with Chinese, but it seems that there's a lot of people using the word 棒子 when referring to Scan, at least that's how I understand it.
It translate to "stick" in google, is there something I'm missing? It's his nickname or something?
On July 04 2012 13:41 RavenLoud wrote: I'm not that good with Chinese, but it seems that there's a lot of people using the word 棒子 when referring to Scan, at least that's how I understand it.
It translate to "stick" in google, is there something I'm missing? It's his nickname or something?
If china offers regularly english commentary, would TL be just happy to hear that? or would TL feel it is very important for china to offers english commentary? I'm curious about that
On July 04 2012 13:41 RavenLoud wrote: I'm not that good with Chinese, but it seems that there's a lot of people using the word 棒子 when referring to Scan, at least that's how I understand it.
It translate to "stick" in google, is there something I'm missing? It's his nickname or something?
there are stories about this word.
well actually this is true a slur for the Koreans, and it's widely used on the chinese net for years, the reason for this is(as far as I know) : most of the chinese think the koreans announced something belonging to china as theirs, such as Confucius，Dragon Boat Festival and sort of things.
And now this word 棒子 is also commonly used when the chinese players refering to Koreans players. BUT MORE FOR SHORT，and the reason why we(I'm a chinese player) use this also reflects the internet culture of china, we respect people on line, but we don't think it's that much unrespectable to use such kind of word. AND WE LOVE THE WAY THE KOREANS PLAY!
On July 04 2012 15:18 Vanka_ wrote: If china offers regularly english commentary, would TL be just happy to hear that? or would TL feel it is very important for china to offers english commentary? I'm curious about that
TL would be very happy with anything BW related.
Heck we hardly had any live English commentary with the Korean scene. Would be nice to have English commentary on live Chinese stream!
man, how the chinese-korean tensions play out is going to be interesting to watch...it's even more interesting being somewhat competent in both languages.
why we play on maps on Luna or Fighting spirit that much? the answer is: our player numbers is based on the whole population of 1.3 billion people. On the VS server, everybody do so, that's why most of us play only these maps, we've get used to these maps.
As for the Hack problem, we tried to be easy with this. Once LX played on PLU live in China, there's a zerg player getting lost, but before he GG, he says: bu yao yi wei ni ying le. which in chinese means Don't think you've won. And he turn all his drones into battlecruisers , LX smiled with his jaw on the earth.
later, when we talk about some Gosu , we'd mention this kind of story. just for fun.
JUST now there's a guy hacked with SCAN, there's a post on 8da.com talking about this, the player feel it's just a joke, while 110 blessed on this guy. ( 110 is a God in 8da.com, who have predicted ENDLESS matches conversely---i.e. if he says somebody'll win,they will lose----the only one match he fails predicting is one that IPXzerg loses, while years later IXPzerg is put into jail)
And also 熊大威武，女帝和super，吃肉，these words have its own stories in China, as TL users getting to know chinese SC more, you'll find it's much more interesting than you've ever thought. Have fun!
On July 04 2012 16:19 leveller wrote: pretty cool how this Scan person who I really don't understand who he is has so many viewers while not even being on TL broodwar and china fighting!
On July 04 2012 18:56 Caihead wrote: Haven't updated today yet, been busy, will update with methods of getting on Chinese servers and contacts and so forth when i get to it.
Is it really worth it ? You need a Chinese ID card number to register to VS. I know you can always borrow one, but if you can borrow one, then you are very likely to have a Chinese friend that can register an account for you and tell you how to get on the VS server.
By the way, quick question about sina. Is there any way to get to like...an overview page where all the live streams are listed, from(viewers) highest to lowest? Since I don't understand the names, the A-Z thing doesn't help and I personally don't care about the "hot games".
I'm going to try to meet up with plu.cn organizers / players irl in Shenzhen this saturday, going to shoot promo video / play some lan and stream things and other shenanigans
We need to get started on ISL4 soon. Advertise it to China. Then use those viewership numbers to attract sponsors and at the same time get money from Twitch's Ads. Also inviting some of the Chinese players is also vital for the growth of relationship. Since C-OSL is considered as a continuous event, we might even see foreigners like Sziky taking the champion's throne and further explodes the competitive field.
In the future, we are potentially looking toward 2 Huge tournaments event (the C-OSL, ISLs) and perhaps some S.Korean amateur leagues going on. Saturated these events, and then definitely the level of play can climb back again closer to the past OSL/MSL's standard.
Say that we'll have 70 teams in total for Brood War. The teams do not have to play in the same server. We can have threads in all parties' perspective forum boards and upload replays. Chinese are seen to be able to play on Fish and ICCup. Koreans can play on VS Server. Rest of the world can play on Fish and ICCup (VS Server's Instruction will be translated). With 70 teams in mind, that's almost non stop BW action. We can have regular seasons going on for hours! High possibility of getting that 24/7 Brood War materials going on purposed by Eywa. Then people like Sayle, Elegant, TheShimmy Hacklebeast will be very busy as their viewership skyrockets.
In the end, I'm personally hoping that we (the global scene) will reach to a point where there will be a yearly Brood War ProLeague format with all those teams participating as one. I am going to say, although I'm really shooting dart into the shadow, that MAYBE just MAYBE we can prove to OGN that they made the biggest mistakes ever.
Just when we thought to be extincted, the community fires that nuke straight in the face of the forecasted asteroid..
On July 05 2012 03:30 Xiphos wrote: Here is my thought about 'our future'.
We need to get started on ISL4 soon. Advertise it to China. Then use those viewership numbers to attract sponsors and at the same time get money from Twitch's Ads. Also inviting some of the Chinese players is also vital for the growth of relationship. Since C-OSL is considered as a continuous event, we might even see foreigners like Sziky taking the champion's throne and further explodes the competitive field.
In the future, we are potentially looking toward 2 Huge tournaments event (the C-OSL, ISLs) and perhaps some S.Korean amateur leagues going on. Saturated these events, and then definitely the level of play can climb back again closer to the past OSL/MSL's standard.
Say that we'll have 70 teams in total for Brood War. The teams do not have to play in the same server. We can have threads in all parties' perspective forum boards and upload replays. Chinese are seen to be able to play on Fish and ICCup. Koreans can play on VS Server. Rest of the world can play on Fish and ICCup (VS Server's Instruction will be translated). With 70 teams in mind, that's almost non stop BW action. We can have regular seasons going on for hours! High possibility of getting that 24/7 Brood War materials going on purposed by Eywa. Then people like Sayle, Elegant, TheShimmy Hacklebeast will be very busy as their viewership skyrockets.
In the end, I'm personally hoping that we (the global scene) will reach to a point where there will be a yearly Brood War ProLeague format with all those teams participating as one. I am going to say, although I'm really shooting dart into the shadow, that MAYBE just MAYBE we can prove to OGN that they made the biggest mistakes ever.
Just when we thought to be extincted, the community fires that nuke straight in the face of the forecasted asteroid..
advertising may be a bit tricky for the chinese though, does twitch have targeted ads for them? and the chinese audience may have a significantly smaller propensity to spend on ad goods given the lower disposable income
On July 05 2012 03:30 Xiphos wrote: Here is my thought about 'our future'.
We need to get started on ISL4 soon. Advertise it to China. Then use those viewership numbers to attract sponsors and at the same time get money from Twitch's Ads. Also inviting some of the Chinese players is also vital for the growth of relationship. Since C-OSL is considered as a continuous event, we might even see foreigners like Sziky taking the champion's throne and further explodes the competitive field.
In the future, we are potentially looking toward 2 Huge tournaments event (the C-OSL, ISLs) and perhaps some S.Korean amateur leagues going on. Saturated these events, and then definitely the level of play can climb back again closer to the past OSL/MSL's standard.
Say that we'll have 70 teams in total for Brood War. The teams do not have to play in the same server. We can have threads in all parties' perspective forum boards and upload replays. Chinese are seen to be able to play on Fish and ICCup. Koreans can play on VS Server. Rest of the world can play on Fish and ICCup (VS Server's Instruction will be translated). With 70 teams in mind, that's almost non stop BW action. We can have regular seasons going on for hours! High possibility of getting that 24/7 Brood War materials going on purposed by Eywa. Then people like Sayle, Elegant, TheShimmy Hacklebeast will be very busy as their viewership skyrockets.
In the end, I'm personally hoping that we (the global scene) will reach to a point where there will be a yearly Brood War ProLeague format with all those teams participating as one. I am going to say, although I'm really shooting dart into the shadow, that MAYBE just MAYBE we can prove to OGN that they made the biggest mistakes ever.
Just when we thought to be extincted, the community fires that nuke straight in the face of the forecasted asteroid..
advertising may be a bit tricky for the chinese though, does twitch have targeted ads for them? and the chinese audience may have a significantly smaller propensity to spend on ad goods given the lower disposable income
some community websites that are listed here function off advertising and individual merchandising, so I wouldn't worry about that
On July 05 2012 03:30 Xiphos wrote: Here is my thought about 'our future'.
We need to get started on ISL4 soon. Advertise it to China. Then use those viewership numbers to attract sponsors and at the same time get money from Twitch's Ads. Also inviting some of the Chinese players is also vital for the growth of relationship. Since C-OSL is considered as a continuous event, we might even see foreigners like Sziky taking the champion's throne and further explodes the competitive field.
In the future, we are potentially looking toward 2 Huge tournaments event (the C-OSL, ISLs) and perhaps some S.Korean amateur leagues going on. Saturated these events, and then definitely the level of play can climb back again closer to the past OSL/MSL's standard.
Say that we'll have 70 teams in total for Brood War. The teams do not have to play in the same server. We can have threads in all parties' perspective forum boards and upload replays. Chinese are seen to be able to play on Fish and ICCup. Koreans can play on VS Server. Rest of the world can play on Fish and ICCup (VS Server's Instruction will be translated). With 70 teams in mind, that's almost non stop BW action. We can have regular seasons going on for hours! High possibility of getting that 24/7 Brood War materials going on purposed by Eywa. Then people like Sayle, Elegant, TheShimmy Hacklebeast will be very busy as their viewership skyrockets.
In the end, I'm personally hoping that we (the global scene) will reach to a point where there will be a yearly Brood War ProLeague format with all those teams participating as one. I am going to say, although I'm really shooting dart into the shadow, that MAYBE just MAYBE we can prove to OGN that they made the biggest mistakes ever.
Just when we thought to be extincted, the community fires that nuke straight in the face of the forecasted asteroid..
advertising may be a bit tricky for the chinese though, does twitch have targeted ads for them? and the chinese audience may have a significantly smaller propensity to spend on ad goods given the lower disposable income
some community websites that are listed here function off advertising and individual merchandising, so I wouldn't worry about that
Twitch TV ads are in Chinese if your IP is Chinese. Not an issue
7/5 planning winner's interviews to be a regular feature once STL starts. 讨论-准备每场STL开始后每场比赛作胜方采访 planning hype interviews of top teams before STL starts. 准备STL开始之前对各大实力战队采访
On July 05 2012 16:27 Caihead wrote: 7/5 Chinese team "The." under WangFeng is attempting to sign Scan to play for them in teamleagues. Wangfeng下的The.队在和Scan商量合作代表队参赛
Lol the roster lists 206 players. And there are like 30 teams ? I'm curious of the average skill of the team. Like only the top 5 are like B+ skill and above, and top 20 is B-/B and above and the rest is meh, or B rank skill is like the cutoff to enter the team ?
On July 05 2012 16:27 Caihead wrote: 7/5 Chinese team "The." under WangFeng is attempting to sign Scan to play for them in teamleagues. Wangfeng下的The.队在和Scan商量合作代表队参赛
Lol the roster lists 206 players. And there are like 30 teams ? I'm curious of the average skill of the team. Like only the top 5 are like B+ skill and above, and top 20 is B-/B and above and the rest is meh, or B rank skill is like the cutoff to enter the team ?
Thanks for your efforts and updates Caihead !
Yea the teams essentially function as clans do in Korea, they keep players / practice partners on the roster too, roughly around the top 20 get to play in the team league's official matches depending on the situation.
On July 04 2012 18:56 Caihead wrote: Haven't updated today yet, been busy, will update with methods of getting on Chinese servers and contacts and so forth when i get to it.
Is it really worth it ? You need a Chinese ID card number to register to VS. I know you can always borrow one, but if you can borrow one, then you are very likely to have a Chinese friend that can register an account for you and tell you how to get on the VS server.
A couple of Chinese players actually visited my stream yesterday and offered to help me with getting on the server :D
Whoruxiao: hi » could you see my worlds? » hello, friend » could you see my worlds and reply? » have you ever played sc with chinese players?
Whoruxiao: welcome to chinese service station like VS, » we have a lot of SC lovers here
Broadcaster Stratosj: I heard we can't join the server without chinese iD?
Whoruxiao: nono » of course you can » I can give you one » and provide you the address » you need to download VS station first, then login
4:05 Broadcaster Stratosj: but I think someone from teamliquid was going to make a guide for the chinese servers for us
4:05 Whoruxiao: great!! » good idea » we are eagle to play sc wit foreigners
4:11 Broadcaster Stratosj: you guys have an account @ teamliquid?
4:11 Whoruxiao: here is 22:12pm » not yeah » what's yours? » I will regin it later
full transcript, including some Chinese (there was also another guy but his english seemed really poor TT)+ Show Spoiler +
7289426: 没人聊天啊
Broadcaster Stratosj: » 没人聊天啊 » i don't know chinese or what it is sorry
Whoruxiao: hi » could you see my worlds? » hello, friend » could you see my worlds and reply? » have you ever played sc with chinese players? » yes, i feel you need to enhance your TVT also
Broadcaster Stratosj: hi » i may have played with chinese players but not sure » you're chinese?
Whoruxiao: yes » hi » what's your level in ICCUP?
Broadcaster Stratosj: d/d- » im very chobo
Whoruxiao: welcome to chinese service station like VS, » we have a lot of SC lovers here
Broadcaster Stratosj: I heard we can't join the server without chinese iD?
Whoruxiao: nono » of course you can » I can give you one » and provide you the address » you need to download VS station first, then login
Broadcaster Stratosj: haha » the translation is really terrible
4:05 Whoruxiao: donwload vs first » download the software first
4:05 Broadcaster Stratosj: but I think someone from teamliquid was going to make a guide for the chinese servers for us
4:05 Whoruxiao: great!! » good idea » we are eagle to play sc wit foreigners
4:06 Claudspeed: 你在用什么和他聊？
4:06 Whoruxiao: so, are you korean? » english
4:06 Claudspeed: 你在哪里和他聊？ » 什么软件？
4:06 Broadcaster Stratosj: I am czech actually :D » I know a bit korean » do you know where czech republic is?
4:07 Whoruxiao: so i dont know, could you tell me
4:07 Broadcaster Stratosj: Middle Europe
4:07 Whoruxiao: oh, i got it » yeah!
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: I re-stream chinese tournaments when I can » really good stuff
4:08 Whoruxiao: so, are there many sc player in your contry?
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: I think I've restreamed CTFB last time » and CN OSL before
4:08 Whoruxiao: yes
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: not really we're a small country and most people play SC2 if anything » but I only like BW.. » there's a few czech friends that play as well
4:08 Whoruxiao: SC2 is a shit
4:09 Broadcaster Stratosj: :D:D
4:09 Whoruxiao: I like bw also » always play this game » for 10 years » I am a protoss player
4:09 Broadcaster Stratosj: I've only got to know about BW 2 years ago » so I am still very chobo
4:10 Whoruxiao: You are really playing good with much short time
4:11 Whoruxiao: oh, I got it » what time is it now in your side?
4:11 Broadcaster Stratosj: it's 16PM now
4:11 Broadcaster Stratosj: you guys have an account @ teamliquid?
4:11 Whoruxiao: here is 22:12pm » not yeah » what's yours? » I will regin it later
4:12 Broadcaster Stratosj: Stratos
4:12 Whoruxiao: make a friends » ok, mark it
4:12 Whoruxiao: so,,,chat with you later » I will visit the web later
On July 04 2012 18:56 Caihead wrote: Haven't updated today yet, been busy, will update with methods of getting on Chinese servers and contacts and so forth when i get to it.
Is it really worth it ? You need a Chinese ID card number to register to VS. I know you can always borrow one, but if you can borrow one, then you are very likely to have a Chinese friend that can register an account for you and tell you how to get on the VS server.
A couple of Chinese players actually visited my stream yesterday and offered to help me with getting on the server :D
full transcript, including some Chinese (there was also another guy but his english seemed really poor TT)+ Show Spoiler +
7289426: 没人聊天啊
Broadcaster Stratosj: » 没人聊天啊 » i don't know chinese or what it is sorry
Whoruxiao: hi » could you see my worlds? » hello, friend » could you see my worlds and reply? » have you ever played sc with chinese players? » yes, i feel you need to enhance your TVT also
Broadcaster Stratosj: hi » i may have played with chinese players but not sure » you're chinese?
Whoruxiao: yes » hi » what's your level in ICCUP?
Broadcaster Stratosj: d/d- » im very chobo
Whoruxiao: welcome to chinese service station like VS, » we have a lot of SC lovers here
Broadcaster Stratosj: I heard we can't join the server without chinese iD?
Whoruxiao: nono » of course you can » I can give you one » and provide you the address » you need to download VS station first, then login
Broadcaster Stratosj: haha » the translation is really terrible
4:05 Whoruxiao: donwload vs first » download the software first
4:05 Broadcaster Stratosj: but I think someone from teamliquid was going to make a guide for the chinese servers for us
4:05 Whoruxiao: great!! » good idea » we are eagle to play sc wit foreigners
4:06 Claudspeed: 你在用什么和他聊？
4:06 Whoruxiao: so, are you korean? » english
4:06 Claudspeed: 你在哪里和他聊？ » 什么软件？
4:06 Broadcaster Stratosj: I am czech actually :D » I know a bit korean » do you know where czech republic is?
4:07 Whoruxiao: so i dont know, could you tell me
4:07 Broadcaster Stratosj: Middle Europe
4:07 Whoruxiao: oh, i got it » yeah!
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: I re-stream chinese tournaments when I can » really good stuff
4:08 Whoruxiao: so, are there many sc player in your contry?
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: I think I've restreamed CTFB last time » and CN OSL before
4:08 Whoruxiao: yes
4:08 Broadcaster Stratosj: not really we're a small country and most people play SC2 if anything » but I only like BW.. » there's a few czech friends that play as well
4:08 Whoruxiao: SC2 is a shit
4:09 Broadcaster Stratosj: :D:D
4:09 Whoruxiao: I like bw also » always play this game » for 10 years » I am a protoss player
4:09 Broadcaster Stratosj: I've only got to know about BW 2 years ago » so I am still very chobo
4:10 Whoruxiao: You are really playing good with much short time
4:11 Whoruxiao: oh, I got it » what time is it now in your side?
4:11 Broadcaster Stratosj: it's 16PM now
4:11 Broadcaster Stratosj: you guys have an account @ teamliquid?
4:11 Whoruxiao: here is 22:12pm » not yeah » what's yours? » I will regin it later
4:12 Broadcaster Stratosj: Stratos
4:12 Whoruxiao: make a friends » ok, mark it
4:12 Whoruxiao: so,,,chat with you later » I will visit the web later
7/6 starting the process for interviews of teams, starting with FoR. and previous STL winner GP, preliminary structure is one team captain, one team manager, and one player from each team. 开始对队伍做采访，先采访FoR.战队和上联赛冠军GP战队，拟每队采访一个队长,一个领队,一个队员代表的形式.
7/6: Reminder that tomorrow at 12:00 GMT (+00:00) is the C-OSL offline qualifiers day 2, two groups are picked to be streamed: 提醒明天是第2天中国OSL海选赛直播， 选择了两个组直播：
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
Did he win 3:0, or only posted the reps where he won ? lol
Thanks !
And god, Scan is lvl 21 :o
there was some good toss who beat him quite easily, but I am not sure if there was replay of that or foul play many people complain on the stream if the opponent is doing something fishy; i.e stream cheat, etc
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
thx for making this, I'm way too busy atm and meeting chinese peeps irl
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 21:06 Cambium wrote: yea that's pretty fucking annoying, but I guess it's okay since he doesn't understand what they are saying
I think he just said something like...
"China stream viewers, thank you"
Nice guy ^^
Please excuse the fans, we (I and the community leaders and players) are aware of potential BM or misunderstandings that could arise from the fan's actions, but they are just excited.
I can apologize on their behalf if I have that power, they will get better with time.
no it's totally understandable, and it happens anywhere and everywhere
you want a large audience, and when you do get a large number of people, you get more idiots mixed in as well, and they tend to synergize upon each other
On July 07 2012 21:22 Cambium wrote: no it's totally understandable, and it happens anywhere and everywhere
you want a large audience, and when you do get a large number of people, you get more idiots mixed in as well, and they tend to synergize upon each other
twitch chat is always full of mess even without Chinese
On July 08 2012 01:58 ProxyKnoxy wrote: So, how big exactly is the scene in China? You say they have 30+ teams and whatnot but how big is the fan support relative to somewhere like Korea?
One single link of ex-Pro streaming on their site generated 1.6K of viewership. Think about that.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
On July 07 2012 03:29 kidd wrote: Am I missing it somewhere or is there a guide for us to play on their server? I would like to play some games vs the Chinese.
I see the website on the front page but it's very obviously all in Chinese.
You land on a form Field 1 : username. 3 to 13 characters Click on the button on the right to check availability. Field 2 : password 6 to 28 characters. Field 3 : password confirmation Field 4 : real name Field 5 : Chinese ID card number Field 6 : purpose of the account. Select 星际对战1v1 (1v1 starcraft ladder) Field 7 : captcha
Validate.
I can't go further as I don't have a Chinese ID card at the moment, but normally you need to download the client. Login, then browse to locate a BW exe (like with iccup launcher) but it has to be version 1.13. Then, instead of selecting a Bnet portal, games will be available under Local Area Network (UDP)
seems to work, if someone has instructions on how to get the launcher it would be appreciated
go to this http://game.vsa.com.cn/vsmain/jsp/down/down.http the first dl (top) is the full installed launcher, second one you don't need to install The red links require a download engine called "thunder" (similar to bit-torrent engines), the black links require something else. Just use one of the other links.
also starcraft crashes every time I try to go to LAN game after launching through the VS program
Is your Starcraft version 1.13 ?
I have the latest one, I need to downgrade to play on VS servers?
Yeah that's basically it. IDK what the differences are between 1.16 and 1.13, but I don't think anything major...
There is no difference in terms of balance. Only difference from 1.13f is that glitches that made some hacks possibles were fixed, and B.net was improved. I think the most annoying thing is the hatchery rally crash glitch...
12k+ people tune into the chinese restream of SPL regularly, never paid attention to that since the streams didn't have a easy to see viewer # before. And that's with the NEW format that most people dislike.
On July 08 2012 18:27 Caihead wrote: 12k+ people tune into the chinese restream of SPL regularly, never paid attention to that since the streams didn't have a easy to see viewer # before. And that's with the NEW format that most people dislike.
Which stream ? Most people here watch it on PPS or PPLive. On PPS there often was 20k+ viewers during PL last year.
On July 08 2012 18:27 Caihead wrote: 12k+ people tune into the chinese restream of SPL regularly, never paid attention to that since the streams didn't have a easy to see viewer # before. And that's with the NEW format that most people dislike.
Which stream ? Most people here watch it on PPS or PPLive. On PPS there often was 20k+ viewers during PL last year.
Yea, was referring to the new fengyun 风云直播 stream on plu.cn, i'm well aware it's higher if you add them up.
Note: This is included for completeness and also since it's unavoidable, please refrain from flaming or fighting in this thread. Savior is being restreamed on eagle's stream http://zh-cn.twitch.tv/jinwoong4825
I'm planning to visit the C-OSL Ro16 when the official matches start on July 21st, will be able to meet the star players and such and hopefully get some content to post on TL.
On July 09 2012 00:24 Cambium wrote: they played on fish
you'd have to be in china physically to play don't you?
to play on what? The C-OSL Ro16 onwards? I can talk to the organizers about it, the key issue is still lag, refereeing, and also production problems if people are just playing via online platforms.
Yes FengZi defeated Eagle in that sense the serie was a Best of 3. Games I saw was a Zergling surround on Photon Cannons that made Eagle insta-gg. The following game was FengZi doing more or less same build but Eagle defended it but his multitasking were supbar a la Dohsairs and FengZi basically backed off, massed hydralisk off from 4 bases and then bursted P's natural.
Twitch.tv VODs never work for me in China I guess it's because VODs, even on twitch.tv streams, are hosted by justin.tv and the latter never works well in China. When I tried to load a VOD, I get an error :
This is Luo Xian btw, he's going by ID: [FRDS]Legend)L.x right now and is on team FRDS
Also you can scroll down to the bottom of player profiles on liansai.net and see vods of notable games. In this case there are games against July, Goojila(Kal), tossgirl, trap, and numerous chinese pros to name a few. You can also look up the players on the top right hand search bar.
7/9 I'm looking for people with basic chinese reading skills and english proficiency to help update liquipedia since Liansai has a pretty good data base. Please PM me if you are interested.
It reads: " (We agreed / You) Said... that it was for a life time... 1 less year... 1 less month... 1 less day... 1 less hour... can't be called a life time... You have gone away... Is my dream still here(intact)? (I) Hope that the next time we meet, (it) will still be the same splendid/magnificent smile/laughter! <3 (Have a safe journey) Godspeed, My Starcraft! (BW) "
On July 09 2012 14:00 Caihead wrote: 7/9 I'm looking for people with basic chinese reading skills and english proficiency to help update liquipedia since Liansai has a pretty good data base. Please PM me if you are interested.
I can maybe do this (when I'm not at work lol); PM me?
thanks caihead. i dont post much in tl but i always go stream and chat with people later when i'm free probably i will go to a chinese forum to make a post about an intro to tl and recommend them some more streams(currently i only see chinese players in eagle's stream)
On July 09 2012 14:00 Caihead wrote: 7/9 I'm looking for people with basic chinese reading skills and english proficiency to help update liquipedia since Liansai has a pretty good data base. Please PM me if you are interested.
i can do that as well is it just some sorts of translation work?
On July 09 2012 14:00 Caihead wrote: 7/9 I'm looking for people with basic chinese reading skills and english proficiency to help update liquipedia since Liansai has a pretty good data base. Please PM me if you are interested.
i can do that as well is it just some sorts of translation work?
Well look on liquipedia there's basically an entire database to be updated. Also thanks for your attention.
7/12 People who understand the different servers (VS, HF, Fish, Brain, iccup, etc) please pm me, so I can transcribe instructions of how to register / play to appropriate threads and chinese forums. Thanks
Digging around the data bases, there is literally years of chinese BW / replay footage to bad had, if someone could help me compile them it would be great. For example: http://www.plu.cn/e/search/result/?searchid=143838 Jaystar makes instructional videos on how to protoss, he has 24 of them so far already.
Just a suggestion, but could you leave a line after/start a new paragraph after each heading? Reading the OP is really, really, REALLY, annoying.
As such :
Transcript Progress: Flash Done, Jaedong Next.
I'm going to translate in order of how many votes the player gets in the TBLS poll after I'm done with Flash's games, as of now Jaedong is next. Next Project: TBLS win ratio by match date, match time and build order all match ups.
Flash 2007 stats:
http://i.imgur.com/IrX3x.png (All I can say is, I can see why people considered him a cheesy player or someone who didn't know how to use multiple builds) I want to see what the community thinks of projects like this, please put an entry into the polls below so I can know if it's worth doing.
I'm going to translate in order of how many votes the player gets in the TBLS poll after I'm done with Flash's games, as of now Jaedong is next. Next Project: TBLS win ratio by match date, match time and build order all match ups.
Flash 2007 stats:
http://i.imgur.com/IrX3x.png (All I can say is, I can see why people considered him a cheesy player or someone who didn't know how to use multiple builds) I want to see what the community thinks of projects like this, please put an entry into the polls below so I can know if it's worth doing.
Cheers.
Sure, thats an old thread I will get to them when i get the time.
On July 17 2012 21:45 Caihead wrote: Taking a break from TL / BW till the Ro4 shit storm wears down, laters.
Hehe good call.
Also, Chinese teams in Gambit???? I don't care what anyone else says, I think that's a superb idea.
7/19 Alright I'm back with some bad news and some good news. The bad news is that due to a combination of lack of team leads who will be able to persistently see the gambit cup through, worrying about lag, and the time slot, the Chinese teams can't participate in this Gambit's Cup. (that is unless something happens in the next 24 hours and we do sort everything out miraculously.
The good news is that the reaction we got from the players and organizers apart from technical difficulties was positive, every still active player that we asked expressed interest in playing in a foreign tournament, and individually forking out the entry fees wasn't a problem either, so do expect them at foreign tournaments in the future.
On behalf of Chinese teams and players I thank you for your attention and interest and apologize for the inability to participate this time, do look forward to co-operating and interacting with us in the future though!
On July 20 2012 00:25 OopsOopsBaby wrote: how are the viewers/popularity for bw from the chinese community?
Some numbers on viewers: Regular SPL this season: 20k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams. Regular SPL this season when TBLS or fan favorite is playing: 35k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams. OSL Ro4: 100k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams, reached 177k+ during peaks. SPL finals last season: reportedly 200k~+ on 1 stream, can not verify personally.
On July 20 2012 00:25 OopsOopsBaby wrote: how are the viewers/popularity for bw from the chinese community?
Some numbers on viewers: Regular SPL this season: 20k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams. Regular SPL this season when TBLS or fan favorite is playing: 35k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams. OSL Ro4: 100k+ at least on 1 stream with multiple concurrent streams, reached 177k+ during peaks. SPL finals last season: reportedly 200k~+ on 1 stream, can not verify personally.
That's really impressive. I didn't think it would be this popular. I'm really really happy to see this.
7/24 Chinese players will attend gambit's cup after all it seems Player roster: Caicai ， WuZhu ， Heroes ，Jaystar ，Wk ，Zdy ，Zhanhun ，JiaJia ，Tudou ，Zhuxiao ，modesty Team lead: hafnium , Heroes
On July 24 2012 22:46 Caihead wrote: 7/24 Chinese players will attend gambit's cup after all it seems Player roster: Caicai ， WuZhu ， Heroes ，Jaystar ，Wk ，Zdy ，Zhanhun ，JiaJia ，Tudou ，Zhuxiao ，modesty Team lead: hafnium , Heroes
<3 this. I hope zdy gets an all kill. Although so much ZvP in China is just cheesy ling all-ins.. Which I love
Thanks a ton Caihead for putting so much effort into promoting the chinese scene. Hopefully we can get two of them to play in a showmatch for the SSS Season 2!
On July 24 2012 22:46 Caihead wrote: 7/24 Chinese players will attend gambit's cup after all it seems Player roster: Caicai ， WuZhu ， Heroes ，Jaystar ，Wk ，Zdy ，Zhanhun ，JiaJia ，Tudou ，Zhuxiao ，modesty Team lead: hafnium , Heroes
I just restreamed and English casted Jaystar (P) Vs. SR (T). I know there isn't much for a need since it was played over two weeks ago but it was purely for some practice casting of the Chinese leagues. If interested games can be found below + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2012 04:13 BWalma wrote: I just restreamed and English casted Jaystar (P) Vs. SR (T). I know there isn't much for a need since it was played over two weeks ago but it was purely for some practice casting of the Chinese leagues. If interested games can be found below + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2012 11:44 Jragon wrote: Nice initiative, thanks Caihead. Is Protoss the most popular race in China?
Because Zerg and Terran requires massive amount of practice and Chinese players don't have enough time on their hand (family, careers and etc.), Protoss became the most played race.
Calling people who are fluent in Chinese / English / LRing to do further coverage on Chinese BW, I can give you the contact infos of casters / organizers, please PM.
On May 03 2013 17:42 Caihead wrote: Calling people who are fluent in Chinese / English / LRing to do further coverage on Chinese BW, I can give you the contact infos of casters / organizers, please PM.
this pleeeease !
the Chinese SCene is SOOOO alive ! we are missing an amazingly great deal of supersolid BW..
we really need someone to cover that scene for us..
I can certainly help, but I don't know how much free time I have given that I work 11-12 hours a day lol
Chinese tournaments are pretty big, total prize pools range from US$1000 to close to $10000.
Top player is definitely, without question Fengzi (Z), who was a pro during BW's haydays. Runner up is probably Zhanhun (P), who's a second generation player (early 20s). Jaystar (P) is probably really high up there as well, who is also an ex-pro. Number four is probably Leilei (T), who is also an ex-pro. The difference between Fengzi and the rest is pretty big. Leilei is also quite a bit worse than Jaystar and Zhanhun.
Most recent tournaments invite Koreans to participate, including Scan and Zelot. Beast was never invited to participate in tournaments, but often for showmatches. Scan is just a slightly above Fengzi (partly because Fengzi has bad ZvT), so he's having a great deal of success winning prize money.
Most recently, three tournaments have concluded, but the next ones are being planned and will happen shortly.
On June 16 2013 19:49 Cambium wrote: I can certainly help, but I don't know how much free time I have given that I work 11-12 hours a day lol
Chinese tournaments are pretty big, total prize pools range from US$1000 to close to $10000.
Top player is definitely, without question Fengzi (Z), who was a pro during BW's haydays. Runner up is probably Zhanhun (P), who's a second generation player (early 20s). Jaystar (P) is probably really high up there as well, who is also an ex-pro. Number four is probably Leilei (T), who is also an ex-pro. The difference between Fengzi and the rest is pretty big. Leilei is also quite a bit worse than Jaystar and Zhanhun.
Most recent tournaments invite Koreans to participate, including Scan and Zelot. Beast was never invited to participate in tournaments, but often for showmatches. Scan is just a slightly above Fengzi (partly because Fengzi has bad ZvT), so he's having a great deal of success winning prize money.
Most recently, three tournaments have concluded, but the next ones are being planned and will happen shortly.
On June 16 2013 19:49 Cambium wrote: I can certainly help, but I don't know how much free time I have given that I work 11-12 hours a day lol
Chinese tournaments are pretty big, total prize pools range from US$1000 to close to $10000.
Top player is definitely, without question Fengzi (Z), who was a pro during BW's haydays. Runner up is probably Zhanhun (P), who's a second generation player (early 20s). Jaystar (P) is probably really high up there as well, who is also an ex-pro. Number four is probably Leilei (T), who is also an ex-pro. The difference between Fengzi and the rest is pretty big. Leilei is also quite a bit worse than Jaystar and Zhanhun.
Most recent tournaments invite Koreans to participate, including Scan and Zelot. Beast was never invited to participate in tournaments, but often for showmatches. Scan is just a slightly above Fengzi (partly because Fengzi has bad ZvT), so he's having a great deal of success winning prize money.
Most recently, three tournaments have concluded, but the next ones are being planned and will happen shortly.
Nice info. We need more coverage of this scene.
im so hoping we are gonna get some coverage from these upcoming tournaments !!!
A rough summary of everything that's happening right now: Individual leagues: C-OSL is in the third run, with a new 2v2 segment. FBL is in the second run. SCNL (new league launched by scntv) is running C-OSL-BIRD amateur league in conjunction with C-OSL is in first run
Team leagues: The STL is in the 26th iteration Forum battles between different community hubs occurs frequently.
Offline and online events in major cities are organized on roughly a bi-monthly basis, no real guarantee or pattern to when these happen though, will have to update as they come. A list of the events that have happened can be found here: http://www.liansai.net/matchlist.aspx?class_id=2
Teams: The majority of teams are still active as clans, information on players and teams can be found here: http://www.liansai.net/ There are still 24 teams actively participating in STL, not counting the forum / community teams which there are around 5 to 6.
Major communities: Yaoyuan PlaySC 8da plu s.163 wfbrood liansai scntv (new, created by some of the oldest casters and community figures)
Player base is dominated by old legends (ex-pros) from the early 2000s early, racial distribution is usually protoss with the highest representation followed by a even split of terran and zerg. Chinese BW has the same problem with attracting new blood right now but there are a couple of younger players that are promising.
I'm busy with personal life to be making all these updates on a regular basis myself :< sorry guys. But I have all the contact infos if anyone wants to take over.
Can't believe there's so much BW going on, and no way to catch it all. I saw ZeLoT playing in the FBL, are a lot of the players we see in SOSPA tours participating in the chinese events as well?
On June 16 2013 21:14 KristofferAG wrote: Can't believe there's so much BW going on, and no way to catch it all. I saw ZeLoT playing in the FBL, are a lot of the players we see in SOSPA tours participating in the chinese events as well?
Not that many right now, if you want to see the player list the Chinese threads are here. Usually there are some show matches like Fengzi vs Movie that just happened recently but they aren't actively participating in the Chinese league. Partially because the Korea skill level is still higher than the Chinese skill level.
On June 16 2013 21:28 sabas123 wrote: any chance of seing FAT playing in a chinese team?
The Chinese "teams" right now are just clans with out financial sponsorship other than donations and from the players' own pockets, so other than the latency and time there isn't any reason not to play in the Chinese tournaments for some money.
Is there any way of finding the schedule for chinese streams? Anything like a TL calendar or similar? Or anyone who would take the few minutes to share the links and times? I'd be happy to restream every now and then as before, but my chinese skills are non-existent.
Chinese events are horribly organized, mostly due to the various leagues, and the lack of a website (like TL) that organizes this info.
Most of the info is just scattered in the forums (read the OP), and COSL gets delayed pretty often for various reasons. SCNTV is by far the most professional group (http://scntv.com there's a little calendar thing on the right side), and I think it's probably where the future of Chinese BW lies.
On June 17 2013 02:40 Cambium wrote: Chinese events are horribly organized, mostly due to the various leagues, and the lack of a website (like TL) that organizes this info.
Most of the info is just scattered in the forums (read the OP), and COSL gets delayed pretty often for various reasons. SCNTV is by far the most professional group (http://scntv.com there's a little calendar thing on the right side), and I think it's probably where the future of Chinese BW lies.
scntv is made by veteran caster / community leaders, they are trying to bridge the community separation by just ignoring it all together (instead of trying to get people to cooperate between the websites)
one thing china is lacking is a good server like fish, i have talked to some chinese guys and the only way for chinese people to make games is basically using some client like the super super old school gamespy client where you meet people online and then host a game through some hamachi type client.
On June 17 2013 17:49 Norada wrote: one thing china is lacking is a good server like fish, i have talked to some chinese guys and the only way for chinese people to make games is basically using some client like the super super old school gamespy client where you meet people online and then host a game through some hamachi type client.
On June 17 2013 21:51 sabas123 wrote: why don't we invite them for the new tl server? or would that basicly be to much chinese?
Latency is the biggest problem, not sure how they would sort that out.
Latency is pretty low if you play at night or in the morning which should be perfect is events are held at Euro time. Problem is that most Chinese gosus are 27+ years old with a job and sometimes kids so they may not want to play at night :/
So there has been this sponsor in China who's been dumping tens of thousands of US dollars into the BW scene, and he recently posted that he will host an offline tournament in Shanghai, and he plans to contribute over 1 MILLION RMB, which is something like US$150,000...
There is a possibility that Korean players will be invited to participate.
Why the first thing I'm thinking = betting, and the second one = match fixing But if it's true it could still generate a lot of awesome level BW so yay?!
On June 30 2013 00:57 Cambium wrote: So there has been this sponsor in China who's been dumping tens of thousands of US dollars into the BW scene, and he recently posted that he will host an offline tournament in Shanghai, and he plans to contribute over 1 MILLION RMB, which is something like US$150,000...
There is a possibility that Korean players will be invited to participate.
Go CHINA!
WHAT ?!?!?!
is this real life ?
oh man.. Im not hyping myself so much as for now because I know some tournaments that were to be huge and they didnt happen because of something.. but if they can pull this off.. its gonna blow my fucking mind..
hope this is gonna work out !!! And inviting korean players would be an awesome idea because the chinese can easily compete with them
Clarification: Right now the Leagues C-OSL and FBL are being ran with sponsor money from various companies which aren't really esports related at all, like http://www.2scsc.cn/ which is a second car sales website, and 南京尚信商贸有限公司 which is a sales company based in Nanjing that retails alcohol.
As for the claims of a 1 million RMB sponsorship, nothing is certain of that right now.
On June 30 2013 16:59 Caihead wrote: Clarification: Right now the Leagues C-OSL and FBL are being ran with sponsor money from various companies which aren't really esports related at all, like http://www.2scsc.cn/ which is a second car sales website, and 南京尚信商贸有限公司 which is a sales company based in Nanjing that retails alcohol.
As for the claims of a 1 million RMB sponsorship, nothing is certain of that right now.
Not being able to edit an old OP kinda sucks lol.
gotta wait and see how this will play out
hope that the tournament is going to happen, even with smaller prizepool
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many people complain on the stream if the opponent is doing something fishy; i.e stream cheat, etc
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， WuZhu 
， Heroes 
, Heroes 
there have to be a way for us to watch it all !!!!!!!!!!
