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Piste
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner. 2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa". 3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit. 4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms? 5. The new server seems to serve no purpose that can be filled by an existing server. A concern of mine is that the new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons. 6. A new server would be a ghost town. You would log on and be the only user online. That would be weird and eerie. 7. This seems like an empty attempt by Eywa to have more control over the foreign broodwar scene. Putting his TL ID into the name of the corporation seems arrogant and honestly, does not inspire me to want anyone to donate money to this venture. In my opinion, this whole thing smells like a scam, and the sooner this goes away, the better. EDIT: Fixt | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10890 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:22 ninazerg wrote: Let me address some concerns/issues that I see with this project. 1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner. 2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa". 3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit. 4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms? 5. The new server seems to serve no purpose that can be filled by an existing server. A concern of mine is that the new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons. 6. A new server would be a ghost town. You would log on and be the only user online. That would be weird and eerie. 7. This seems like an empty attempt by Eywa to have more control over the foreign broodwar scene. Putting his TL ID into the name of the corporation seems arrogant and honestly, does not inspire me to want anyone to donate money to this venture. In my opinion, this whole thing smells like a scam, and the sooner this goes away, the better. I really like all the points you brought up Nina, especially the ones about naming a "non - profit " organization after yourself lol. I want the best for the foreign bw community, but I don't think this is the correct way of going about it, like I and others have stated, there has to be a integration into Fish server, I think that is the only option at the moment. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On July 02 2012 08:09 hacklebeast wrote: That's not addressing problems, that's just listing problems. Therefore, my post is invalid. Rats, foiled again. | ||
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1a2a3a[MB]
United States297 Posts
foreigners would love a new sever. With proper advertisement the server would be top of the line. There will have to something special about it though. ELO old news fish uses it. Must have though Every Channel on the list. No hassle of getting your channel on the featured list. Con depletes the hidden channel vibe thing. New Launcher with wdetector match making program live apm Must have #LL #L2 #L1 latency iccup style of making accounts by registering on the website limiting 2 account per IP depletes smurf play. melee ladder like fish. NON-KeSPA ladder maps user made melee ladder 2v2 ladder 3v3 ladder 4v4 ladder good administration a Tournament ladder. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
I disagree a new server would fail. - It would totally fail. foreigners would love a new sever. With proper advertisement the server would be top of the line. - Yes, we would. Are we going to get one? No. There will have to something special about it though. - There won't be. ELO old news fish uses it. Must have though - Don't know what the hell you just said. Every Channel on the list. No hassle of getting your channel on the featured list. Con depletes the hidden channel vibe thing. - Why? Not disagreeing, but why? New Launcher with wdetector match making program live apm Must have #LL #L2 #L1 latency - You want EywaSC Incorporated to develop their own launcher that combines match-making with a cracked version of wdetector? Sounds totally doable. iccup style of making accounts by registering on the website limiting 2 account per IP depletes smurf play. - Why 2 accounts? You gonna be smurfing? melee ladder like fish. - What's wrong with one-on-one mode for... 1v1? NON-KeSPA ladder maps user made - Are you serious? User maps are almost always horribly imbalanced. For example: Desert Outpost. melee ladder 2v2 ladder 3v3 ladder 4v4 ladder - Good luck. The amount of 4v4 ladder complaints will rival that of DotA. If the server caught on (which it won't), you would need an enormous administrator apparatus to deal with this. good administration - LOL a Tournament ladder. - I can see that working. Not kidding. It might take a bit of time to implement, but is a good idea. | ||
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Gairbear
United States80 Posts
This new movement will without a doubt make it easier to attain partnerships with larger businesses as well as grants from the Canadian and United State governments. I hate to say this but without a strong grabbing point besides that fact that we have members we wont get anyone's attention unless something big is done that affects the consumers of the companies that would want to partnership with. In all as a caster I think that you are great, but if that's all we have to offer at this point your just beating around the bush upon what you really want to get this incorporation going. You want people with skills to push forward your goals, and as far as I am concerned you have no idea how to run a server like ICCUP or Fish Server, let alone maintain it. Unified(Korea/foreign) Gaming Server - dated for 2013 This may never happen mostly because of the language barrier. Yeah we can get people to translate, but a huge issue is solving the complaints for games, and the wall is quite high. Also Nina made a fairly good point with this quote new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons. Realistically, being a member simply means you will be present for the world to see, it basically says this organization has lots of people and therefore, is meaningful. This is the biggest thing I take away as positive when reading the post. As a member you become part of a movement to stand up and say, Hey I still love Brood War, and I want something to be done about it. At most this is what people can do, but unless members with specialized skills from casting or programming stand up, this wont go very far. | ||
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sas.pirayaya
Finland18 Posts
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Pucca
Taiwan1280 Posts
I've seen many casters including my self be completed fine running tournaments and hosting replays in that area. If you want more of a refined experience for ladder for example I'd suggest talking to the iCCup Head Admin personally and voice your concerns. Here is the issue I see. I'll support this endeavor but I'm not putting down money in till I see something worth while. In order to have this refined ladder experience and all the refined everything this scene would like. It is finding those people to do so. I know from personal experience being a Super Admin of the site it is hard to find people to volunteer. I mean I'm casting for 3 to 7 hours some days for iCCup Clan League. Am I getting payed no. I'm devoted and a lot of people out there are not that devoted to iCCup or Brood War especially when need to start paying for it. | ||
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
Merging the servers would not work. Koreans speak korean. They are content in their server so why would they want to go into a server where it speaks mostly English and all the other language of the world? Look at iCCup many koreans do not play on there for a reason. You already have a merge server iCCup. Use it. #1 reason as to why this won't work. don't waste your time doing this... | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On July 02 2012 15:46 Soft`Soap wrote: #1 reason as to why this won't work. don't waste your time doing this... Money. I assume Eywa knows this and has something in mind. If there is a stable monetary incentive for Koreans to play on a new server they certainly will. Beyond that...I can't see a situation in which Koreans would be drawn off Fish to elsewhere. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Sounds easier. | ||
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TehRei
Sweden261 Posts
Most of the concerns raised will have to be adressed at some point of course, but take the unified server-project for example, the ETA of that is in 2013. I should think that there will be a lot more discussion, along with more information, before then. I'm not saying that this particular project will work out, but I don't think it's fair to judge the entire concept based on one or two sentences. | ||
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shenlong
219 Posts
And that is going to be hard to do. Seeing all the activity with sc2 such as tons of cash tournaments, professional sponsorship worldwide and a extremely competitive and active professional scene. And more importantly sc2 has total support from blizzard with updates and expansions ect...and you can't even play bw in WCG anymore. So instead of making a brand new server, i think you should focus more on marketing and trying to make iccup or fishserver more popular. You have great intentions, and i hope eywa inc is prosperous in lifting bw to what it was once before : ) Good luck! | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On July 03 2012 02:27 fabiano wrote: Let's all learn korean and join the korean community. Sounds easier. working on it :p but we should maybe think about learning chinese as well o,o | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On July 02 2012 07:54 GGzerG wrote: I really like all the points you brought up Nina, especially the ones about naming a "non - profit " organization after yourself lol. I want the best for the foreign bw community, but I don't think this is the correct way of going about it, like I and others have stated, there has to be a integration into Fish server, I think that is the only option at the moment. I + others have been saying this for literally years. However I and others are no closer to figuring out a feasible way to accomplish this than we were years ago. There used to be some ties to Brainclan we were trying for, but then Brain went haywire and everyone congregated on fish, erasing all our work. I still think integrating or closing these massive gaps between the Korean and foreigner scenes is essential for keeping BW alive competitively. | ||
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