This thread is to announce the commencement of EywaSC Incorporated. This will be the new title of the non-profit organization run by Eywa-. Based out of North America, EywaSC Inc. will be registered within both the United States and Canada as a licensed non-profit organization. This new movement will without a doubt make it easier to attain partnerships with larger businesses as well as grants from the Canadian and United State governments. Now, with all this being said, EywaSC Inc. has a lot of projects comming to brood war in the near future, however, we need your help. To all fellow North American players, to be a part of the non-profit organization known as EywaSC Inc. would be a huge step into producing funding for future indevours.
There are already some goals that are set for the near future which will hopefully come into play by the end of the summer, the third edition of the Gambit's Cup is evidentally approaching and will be fast on our plate, however, there are also other projects which are in the works that may be considered to be far more stunning. A list of these projects may be found within the spoiler below. If you are a resident of the United States or Canada, you can help make these a reality as early as this fall.
Get involved in your community, a larger list of goals and milestones will be included as the organization grows and moves forwards. EywaSC Inc. is always looking for more supporters, ideas and donations. Don't hesitate to leave a comment or question.
Clarifications on why you would sign up. Signing up with EywaSC Inc. expands the non-profit organization from the governments and external companies perspectives. If this job is to be done, it has to be done right and realistically, the bigger the organization, the more likely we are to receive funding. It's not a requirement as a North American fan to sign up with this, it's a favor you'd be doing for us and foreign BW in general. Realistically, being a member simply means you will be present for the world to see, it basically says this organization has lots of people and therefore, is meaningful.
Clarifications on why a new 24/7 stream would be set up. We have recently acquired a partnership with Twitch.TV, thus we will be setting up a 24/7 BW television channel which will hugely contribute to funding leagues and other projects.
Clarifications on why a new server would be created It's no secret, Fish server is not foreigner friendly and iCCup is pretty dead. If there is a way to unite the foreign and Korean scenes on a mutual server which is user friendly for both parties, you can bet that we will find that path. With leagues and ladder prizes, it would be quite easily done and with the volume which currently plays on fish, there is a lot that can be done with ad revenue, which is something that Fish doesn't take advantage of to my knowledge. Though, regardless of if they are, it's not comming back to foreign BW at all.
Above are a couple examples of funds for non-profit organizations, if you don't dare to believe, then you have already lost the battle. We need to hope for the best, assume the worse. With that being said, regardless of the outcome, there is no way to come out farther back than we are right now.
Unified(Korea/foreign) Gaming Server - dated for 2013
Didn't iccup fill in this role already ? why are you making another gaming server for starcraft ?
Not really. Koreans still play on fish.
And the main problem is the ping. Even if you have a massive server somewhere, you're bound to have some lag from some parts of the world even if you have amazing internet speed. Or so I have experienced.
Unified(Korea/foreign) Gaming Server - dated for 2013
Didn't iccup fill in this role already ? why are you making another gaming server for starcraft ?
Nothing against ICCup, but the number of Koreans let alone skilled Koreans has severely decreased on ICCup and even when they do come on ICCup it's mainly to troll.
The Unified gaming server has been done with iccup. I don't see why something else has to be done when Iccup works well and is known in Korea. Many times when I've spoken to current sc2 pros and BW pros, They all know about iccup and all know how iccup works. Making something new would be a huge waste of resources and would be unsucessful because nobody would use it, because they have servers that work and have a lot more people playing it. and Korean aren't going to come to a small server to play with iccup C and B level foreigners. It would be just as easy to go on US west and play.
The leagues and such are nice, thats about the only thing that I think the org should look towards making. Though getting government grants for BW tournaments would be silly, since it would be impossible to get a grant. only people who get grants are people who work in the arts. like documentary making or if you are making a movie based on canadian history. you would be doing neither tbh.
I don't really understand this thread, sorry if that sounds like hate but the majority of community players these days are all in europe so why do we limit this to north america?
Unified(Korea/foreign) Gaming Server - dated for 2013
Didn't iccup fill in this role already ? why are you making another gaming server for starcraft ?
Not really. Koreans still play on fish.
And the main problem is the ping. Even if you have a massive server somewhere, you're bound to have some lag from some parts of the world even if you have amazing internet speed. Or so I have experienced.
Server ping doesn't matter in bw. It's peer to peer.
On July 01 2012 09:33 dRaW wrote: I don't really understand this thread, sorry if that sounds like hate but the majority of community players these days are all in europe so why do we limit this to north america?
Wow, with all this initiative for BW going on around the globe, I'm starting to think like the whole decade of BW progaming in Korea is just the start of something awesome . GL guys!
On July 01 2012 09:29 masterbreti wrote: There is a 24 hour a day stream on TL with just BW content. Although the content itself could use a bit of updating. Thats nothing major and is easy to do. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=TL.net Bot
wow i totally forgot this existed, it's even labeled as mogulus god damn that is old lol
On July 01 2012 09:33 dRaW wrote: I don't really understand this thread, sorry if that sounds like hate but the majority of community players these days are all in europe so why do we limit this to north america?
Say what you want, but America is still the best place in the world to do business in.
On July 01 2012 09:33 dRaW wrote: I don't really understand this thread, sorry if that sounds like hate but the majority of community players these days are all in europe so why do we limit this to north america?
Say what you want, but America is still the best place in the world to do business in.
yea i dont really get this since TL already has a 24-7 bw channel and there's no way all the skilled koreans are gonna leave fish for your new server t.t you'd be far better off sponsoring events on iccup, but i guess eywa is banned from there?
On July 01 2012 13:53 ABear wrote: yea i dont really get this since TL already has a 24-7 bw channel and there's no way all the skilled koreans are gonna leave fish for your new server t.t you'd be far better off sponsoring events on iccup, but i guess eywa is banned from there?
ithe tl 24/7-bw channel is qutie old lol, and if i am not mistaking it can only show vods. maby its an idea to do some live shows on it like gc or l_masters show if he's ever gonna do that agian, if you keep doing those kinds of thing it keeps fun to watch.
i think there is no positive out come with an new server unless its gonna have SICK servers everywhere and has alot of prizes on it, but still i think iccup is better becouse of its already know name,.
On July 01 2012 13:53 ABear wrote: yea i dont really get this since TL already has a 24-7 bw channel and there's no way all the skilled koreans are gonna leave fish for your new server t.t you'd be far better off sponsoring events on iccup, but i guess eywa is banned from there?
ithe tl 24/7-bw channel is qutie old lol, and if i am not mistaking it can only show vods. maby its an idea to do some live shows on it like gc or l_masters show if he's ever gonna do that agian, if you keep doing those kinds of thing it keeps fun to watch.
i think there is no positive out come with an new server unless its gonna have SICK servers everywhere and has alot of prizes on it, but still i think iccup is better becouse of its already know name,.
If your talking about the one with nOoNe then yea I think the plan is to eventually continue it at some point when we both aren't overly swamped with class.
I like your enthusiasm and motivation to actually do something, but I'd have to agree with masterbreti about making a new server. It would be a huge waste of time and resources and I think your attention would be better spent elsewhere. I don't know if you talked with any technical person about such a feat, but I assure you he will tell you that it would take a lot of time and effort to do such a thing and in the end, it's very doubtful you'll get even half of ICCup's player base. I know it sounds very good and tempting to have your own server where you have absolute control over, but my best bet would be to work things out with ICCup again and make them invest more time in BW since they only seem to be focused on their DotA server now.
Things like Observer Plugin, APM Alert and all other plugins that you can use on fish would be awesome for ICCup to include themselves (even though WhuazGoodJaggah helped with this -.-). Not to mention that if they really tried, they could even implement auto-matchmaking in some way (I remember some Russian server having this option right before SC2 beta came out and then it died). ICCup server is very good platform (speaking from technical point of view, not about their personnel) and with some improvements it could be the best.
So in the end, I applaud your effort and will definitely keep an eye out on this hoping some good come out of it, but I think you should definitely approach things more professionally and get a lot of feedback before doing something.
i have an idea for the live stream, can't we have an voting system that if an X% of viewers vote for watching an other stream on tl? for exmaple: me and my buddy are watching and normaly only watch this channel, instead leaving that stream we chose that the stream is gonna be a restream, so there can be a populair hang-out place where the viewer decide and the other can maby see stuff that would never even considert before.
Making a bw tv is good because while Mogulus is cool, it's old and not updated and all that jazz. Trying to unify efforts toward bw leagues is obviously cool. Now, there's the ICCup problem. There's a huge problem with ICCup management. I mean, they have Scan and Joekim as admin. Some people managed to make every korean run away from it. It has some technical issues (even though the basics are pretty well done). But will you be able to provide something significantly better so that people want to switch ? That won't be easy...
I absolutelty must agree with 2pacalypse on his statement above. I also would like to say that it would be nice if Eywa - if he is putting his name on this initiative - should end all the BMing with different people in the community, eg. the "grudge"match threads with ninazerg and everything. This community really doesnt need that kind of BM drama at all.
It's daring and I like that. I have my doubts but that is only natural. Hopefully something good will come out of this, even if it's not a new server to unify the whole SC community (which would be amazing). GL!
IMO if you want to grow the scene the servers to be created would need to have a "grind" element to it. So that as you play games you level up and unlock new features, similar to say LoL or WoW. It is extremely powerful in gathering gamers, even if unfaithful to the original starcraft idea. The technical challenge would be connecting the grindable rewards(say on UMS maps) to the server backend database.
Please make sure you have the ability and manpower to do these things before making announcements. There will be a big difference between wanting to do something cool and having the ability to do something cool down the road, and ideally you don't want to find out that your words are empty.
Which of you have strengths in communication? Administration? Technical knowledge of server maintenance? Negotiation with the businesses you are talking about? This is stuff that I'm not so confident you can learn along the way without a very strong and mature outlook and devotion to your cause. You have already made a mistake in naming it after yourself, which looks arrogant and childish.
I am saying these things not to be mean or pessimistic, but to urge you to spend your time on projects you KNOW you can accomplish because you have the right skillsets, not projects that would be awesome but that you don't have the manpower or skillsets to follow through with. So gl gl and make sure you do your research to clarify just what you're proposing.
Nice effort, but to be honest I don't think this will work. The main reason is because you will have to have something big to attract and change all of the minds of Korean players so they stop playing on Fish and move to another server. Not only is Fish the most popular server but recently ALL of the clans, fams, and teams from USWest moved to Fish server. Fish server is Very Korean friendly, has tons of customization options for you're clans and whatnot, and it has a wonderful reputation in the Korean community. For the Korean players to get up and change to another server, there would have to be HUGE incentive in order for them to do this, as most of them are very loyal to the server they play on, and the clan / team / fam they are in.
I think that there absolutely no point in trying to get a new server set up, no offense but as that will require a lot of resources that i'm not sure you guys have. What should be done in my opinion is to get people to help integrate a more foreign popular gaming channel on Fish, and have events , tournaments, and whatnot on Fish and have the koreans participate as well. I am in [Name] clan on Fish and I have met a lot of the Korean players on Fish as of lately, and I already know the last thing they are going to do is switch servers again, it was hard enough for all of the ones who moved from USWest to Fish server. There should be people who can speak korean and have connections within the Korean community help foreign players join Korean clans on the FIsh server, that would insight a influx of new / old players to come back to Brood War, in order to achieve that goal they once / now have of joining a prestigious BW Korean clan.
The customization options on Fish are very awesome, and I doubt any korean players will want to leave Fish to play on a foreign server, they will just think about iCCup and remember how that was. I think that if there was a way to get a simpatico between Korean's and Foreigners in order to get Foreigners in Korean clans, that would be the best way to integrate the two communities and make BW flourish again, these are my personal beliefs and thoughts though so take it with a grain of salt.
I am already in the process of doing this and wouldn't mind helping the cause if I was needed / wanted to. What I am working on right now is all that of which I stated, once again nice initiative and effort, I hope it all works out for you and that is my opinion on the matter.
So lets see here, China is starting up a recurring "Starleague" of their own, the recently funded Swedish BW-initiative has attracted a lot of interest and members in the short time it's been up, and now North America counters by starting up a non-profit org with some very interesting (and ambitious!) ideas.
Every time I start doubting in BW's longevity something like this springs up to prove me wrong...
Also; Eywa, don't listen to the non-believers. You've been spending a tremondous amount of time and energy organizing all sorts of events, just looking at your track record for the past 12 months or so should be enough to silence most nay-sayers, in addition to affirming how passionate you are for this game. I probably won't be able to help you with anything (though if I can I will), but I have no doubts in this project, it's a great initiative and I really appreciate all the work you're doing for the community. Thank you.
One more thing, about creating a new server, I really like this idea, and I hope we'll see it come to fruition. If it's done right it just might be what's needed to bridge the Korean, Chinese and foreigner communities together -- creating a truly international ladder. It might be tough to get it up and running, both the technical aspects and getting players to leave their home court for this new server.
We already have the Swedish brood war initiative I'd recommend trying to connect with them to make this bigger. The other issue is your idea of 24 hour Brood War TV isn't really going to work IMO. Your going to need a healthy amount of casters. I understand Shimmy has your back but realistically a caster could at most commit 5 hours of casting per day and at that point its like almost a full time job. Thats only about 25% of the day and that would be the best case scenario.
I would not mind trying to help commit to the scene but you should heavily rethink how it will be possible. Good Luck you can place me down to help support.
On July 02 2012 02:31 BWalma wrote: We already have the Swedish brood war initiative I'd recommend trying to connect with them to make this bigger. The other issue is your idea of 24 hour Brood War TV isn't really going to work IMO. Your going to need a healthy amount of casters. I understand Shimmy has your back but realistically a caster could at most commit 5 hours of casting per day and at that point its like almost a full time job. Thats only about 25% of the day and that would be the best case scenario.
I would not mind trying to help commit to the scene but you should heavily rethink how it will be possible. Good Luck you can place me down to help support.
Why do you need a caster? The VODs would already be casted in Korean.
On July 02 2012 02:31 BWalma wrote: We already have the Swedish brood war initiative I'd recommend trying to connect with them to make this bigger. The other issue is your idea of 24 hour Brood War TV isn't really going to work IMO. Your going to need a healthy amount of casters. I understand Shimmy has your back but realistically a caster could at most commit 5 hours of casting per day and at that point its like almost a full time job. Thats only about 25% of the day and that would be the best case scenario.
I would not mind trying to help commit to the scene but you should heavily rethink how it will be possible. Good Luck you can place me down to help support.
Why do you need a caster? The VODs would already be casted in Korean.
That is an excellent point, and it was what I was wondering as well. I guess it is because people would like to have commentary in they're native language. :-P
I think that 24/7 hour BW stream doesn't mean there's actually tens of people devoted to casting doing it 24/7, but rather random BW content (like PL, bnet attacks, tournaments) streamed. I wonder what's the purpose of that btw? Like that other BW"TV" someone mentioned in here. I have no idea how it works or why... ._.
Oh I get it. Its not new content from the foreign scene every day your taking stuff from the PL and stuff I see. But if your taking VODs from the Pro League I believe it would be illegal since your making profit off it it >.>
On July 02 2012 05:48 BWalma wrote: Oh I get it. Its not new content from the foreign scene every day your taking stuff from the PL and stuff I see. But if your taking VODs from the Pro League I believe it would be illegal since your making profit off it it >.>
It's non-profit, so all the profit would go to improving the organization and not into someone's pocket. There's already people restreaming and commentating korean vods and no one is saying anything about them.
On July 02 2012 05:48 BWalma wrote: Oh I get it. Its not new content from the foreign scene every day your taking stuff from the PL and stuff I see. But if your taking VODs from the Pro League I believe it would be illegal since your making profit off it it >.>
It's non-profit, so all the profit would go to improving the organization and not into someone's pocket. There's already people restreaming and commentating korean vods and no one is saying anything about them.
T_T too bad it's US/Canada only. Good luck guys.
Wasn't that some sort of argument KeSPA used in the IP debate against Blizzard?
Let me expatiate some concerns/issues that I see with this project.
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?
5. The new server seems to serve no purpose that can be filled by an existing server. A concern of mine is that the new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons.
6. A new server would be a ghost town. You would log on and be the only user online. That would be weird and eerie.
7. This seems like an empty attempt by Eywa to have more control over the foreign broodwar scene. Putting his TL ID into the name of the corporation seems arrogant and honestly, does not inspire me to want anyone to donate money to this venture. In my opinion, this whole thing smells like a scam, and the sooner this goes away, the better.
best idea would be to rebuild population to iccup or integrate as many people as possible into fish (while getting more translators for clanwars and such)
On July 02 2012 07:22 ninazerg wrote: Let me address some concerns/issues that I see with this project.
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?
5. The new server seems to serve no purpose that can be filled by an existing server. A concern of mine is that the new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons.
6. A new server would be a ghost town. You would log on and be the only user online. That would be weird and eerie.
7. This seems like an empty attempt by Eywa to have more control over the foreign broodwar scene. Putting his TL ID into the name of the corporation seems arrogant and honestly, does not inspire me to want anyone to donate money to this venture. In my opinion, this whole thing smells like a scam, and the sooner this goes away, the better.
I really like all the points you brought up Nina, especially the ones about naming a "non - profit " organization after yourself lol. I want the best for the foreign bw community, but I don't think this is the correct way of going about it, like I and others have stated, there has to be a integration into Fish server, I think that is the only option at the moment.
I disagree a new server would fail. foreigners would love a new sever. With proper advertisement the server would be top of the line. There will have to something special about it though. ELO old news fish uses it. Must have though Every Channel on the list. No hassle of getting your channel on the featured list. Con depletes the hidden channel vibe thing. New Launcher with wdetector match making program live apm Must have #LL #L2 #L1 latency iccup style of making accounts by registering on the website limiting 2 account per IP depletes smurf play. melee ladder like fish. NON-KeSPA ladder maps user made melee ladder 2v2 ladder 3v3 ladder 4v4 ladder good administration a Tournament ladder.
foreigners would love a new sever. With proper advertisement the server would be top of the line.
- Yes, we would. Are we going to get one? No.
There will have to something special about it though.
- There won't be.
ELO old news fish uses it. Must have though
- Don't know what the hell you just said.
Every Channel on the list. No hassle of getting your channel on the featured list. Con depletes the hidden channel vibe thing.
- Why? Not disagreeing, but why?
New Launcher with wdetector match making program live apm Must have #LL #L2 #L1 latency
- You want EywaSC Incorporated to develop their own launcher that combines match-making with a cracked version of wdetector? Sounds totally doable.
iccup style of making accounts by registering on the website limiting 2 account per IP depletes smurf play.
- Why 2 accounts? You gonna be smurfing?
melee ladder like fish.
- What's wrong with one-on-one mode for... 1v1?
NON-KeSPA ladder maps user made
- Are you serious? User maps are almost always horribly imbalanced. For example: Desert Outpost.
melee ladder 2v2 ladder 3v3 ladder 4v4 ladder
- Good luck. The amount of 4v4 ladder complaints will rival that of DotA. If the server caught on (which it won't), you would need an enormous administrator apparatus to deal with this.
good administration
- LOL
a Tournament ladder.
- I can see that working. Not kidding. It might take a bit of time to implement, but is a good idea.
This new movement will without a doubt make it easier to attain partnerships with larger businesses as well as grants from the Canadian and United State governments.
I hate to say this but without a strong grabbing point besides that fact that we have members we wont get anyone's attention unless something big is done that affects the consumers of the companies that would want to partnership with. In all as a caster I think that you are great, but if that's all we have to offer at this point your just beating around the bush upon what you really want to get this incorporation going. You want people with skills to push forward your goals, and as far as I am concerned you have no idea how to run a server like ICCUP or Fish Server, let alone maintain it.
Unified(Korea/foreign) Gaming Server - dated for 2013
This may never happen mostly because of the language barrier. Yeah we can get people to translate, but a huge issue is solving the complaints for games, and the wall is quite high. Also Nina made a fairly good point with this quote
new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons.
Realistically, being a member simply means you will be present for the world to see, it basically says this organization has lots of people and therefore, is meaningful.
This is the biggest thing I take away as positive when reading the post. As a member you become part of a movement to stand up and say, Hey I still love Brood War, and I want something to be done about it. At most this is what people can do, but unless members with specialized skills from casting or programming stand up, this wont go very far.
Merging the servers would not work. Koreans speak korean. They are content in their server so why would they want to go into a server where it speaks mostly English and all the other language of the world? Look at iCCup many koreans do not play on there for a reason. You already have a merge server iCCup. Use it.
I've seen many casters including my self be completed fine running tournaments and hosting replays in that area. If you want more of a refined experience for ladder for example I'd suggest talking to the iCCup Head Admin personally and voice your concerns.
Here is the issue I see. I'll support this endeavor but I'm not putting down money in till I see something worth while. In order to have this refined ladder experience and all the refined everything this scene would like. It is finding those people to do so. I know from personal experience being a Super Admin of the site it is hard to find people to volunteer. I mean I'm casting for 3 to 7 hours some days for iCCup Clan League. Am I getting payed no. I'm devoted and a lot of people out there are not that devoted to iCCup or Brood War especially when need to start paying for it.
Merging the servers would not work. Koreans speak korean. They are content in their server so why would they want to go into a server where it speaks mostly English and all the other language of the world? Look at iCCup many koreans do not play on there for a reason. You already have a merge server iCCup. Use it.
#1 reason as to why this won't work. don't waste your time doing this...
Merging the servers would not work. Koreans speak korean. They are content in their server so why would they want to go into a server where it speaks mostly English and all the other language of the world? Look at iCCup many koreans do not play on there for a reason. You already have a merge server iCCup. Use it.
#1 reason as to why this won't work. don't waste your time doing this...
Money.
I assume Eywa knows this and has something in mind. If there is a stable monetary incentive for Koreans to play on a new server they certainly will.
Beyond that...I can't see a situation in which Koreans would be drawn off Fish to elsewhere.
BWalma and ninazerg both raise some good questions, and just as BWalma I wouldn't start throwing money into this without some more info. I also wouldn't trash all the ideas without more info.
Most of the concerns raised will have to be adressed at some point of course, but take the unified server-project for example, the ETA of that is in 2013. I should think that there will be a lot more discussion, along with more information, before then. I'm not saying that this particular project will work out, but I don't think it's fair to judge the entire concept based on one or two sentences.
imo, if you want to make this successful and revive sc:bw, you have to somehow find a way for bw to outshine sc2. In order to revive BW, you need a frequent and growing stream of new players to play the game. You have to pitch to the new player why sc:bw is so much better than sc2, and why would it be more convenient for them to pick sc:bw over sc2. Because as it is right now, bw is a dying scene and sc2 is growing and expanding.
And that is going to be hard to do. Seeing all the activity with sc2 such as tons of cash tournaments, professional sponsorship worldwide and a extremely competitive and active professional scene. And more importantly sc2 has total support from blizzard with updates and expansions ect...and you can't even play bw in WCG anymore.
So instead of making a brand new server, i think you should focus more on marketing and trying to make iccup or fishserver more popular. You have great intentions, and i hope eywa inc is prosperous in lifting bw to what it was once before : )
@NinaZerg saying maps horridly imba when made by foreigners, why don't you check out the mapping community at broodwarmaps.net? I would say allow both, but make a MOTW pack like with iCCup.
On July 02 2012 07:22 ninazerg wrote: Let me address some concerns/issues that I see with this project.
1. If this company is not registered as a non-profit organization officially, there is no guarantee that any donations/revenues will be handled in an appropriate, ethical, or legal manner.
2. James Cameron's Avatar is the intellectual property of 20th Century Fox, and therefore, if you want to register this company as a "non-profit organization", there is the litigious matter of the use of the word "Eywa".
3. Incorporated, defintion:[ (Business / Commerce) organized as a legal corporation, esp in commerce Abbreviation Inc, inc.] A corporation is not a non-profit venture. There is an entity called a "non-profit corporation", but technically, it is able to produce profit for the owners. Stating that the business is "not for profit" and then pocketing any of the capital earned by the organization would be total bullshit.
4. If the organization is based in the US, have fun reading this. There are a lot of rules for a non-profit organization to follow. I can almost assume that EywaSC Inc will state that the organization will not be officially registered. If that's the case, how will there be any accountability? Will EywaSC Inc release publicly it's records of expenditures and revenue in very specific terms?
5. The new server seems to serve no purpose that can be filled by an existing server. A concern of mine is that the new server would be used as an exclusionary tool to deliberately enact the leadership's prejudices against various users for personal reasons.
6. A new server would be a ghost town. You would log on and be the only user online. That would be weird and eerie.
7. This seems like an empty attempt by Eywa to have more control over the foreign broodwar scene. Putting his TL ID into the name of the corporation seems arrogant and honestly, does not inspire me to want anyone to donate money to this venture. In my opinion, this whole thing smells like a scam, and the sooner this goes away, the better.
I really like all the points you brought up Nina, especially the ones about naming a "non - profit " organization after yourself lol. I want the best for the foreign bw community, but I don't think this is the correct way of going about it, like I and others have stated, there has to be a integration into Fish server, I think that is the only option at the moment.
I + others have been saying this for literally years. However I and others are no closer to figuring out a feasible way to accomplish this than we were years ago. There used to be some ties to Brainclan we were trying for, but then Brain went haywire and everyone congregated on fish, erasing all our work. I still think integrating or closing these massive gaps between the Korean and foreigner scenes is essential for keeping BW alive competitively.
Uniting the servers would be sick, and 24/7 BW may just save the game. There's a lot of fight left in BW. The Chinese Scene, and foreign scene are bouncing back stronger than ever.
I'd love to get involved as much as possible as an English Caster. Also, I think you should coordinate with the rising Chinese BW scene to aid with content for the 24/7 channel. Other than that, I'd love to get involved, especially as a caster.
Man there really should be an option for broodwar to automatically translate any korean to english. I don't care if google translate isnt 100% accurate, its better then reading random signs. Obviously there would be option to turn this on or off since people these days are very picky. That Bbulsori.com clanwar thing could have possibly bridged the gap between foreigners and koreans but getting eliminated in ro32 didn't help us prove our worth. A new server would be refreshing but like many people say, it would be difficult to attract people to change servers. If anything I think you should have kept everything secret and then when you are ready, reveal it on teamliquid because I don't really follow broodwar foreigner beef but its easy to see eywa is getting flamed hardcore. either way he puts in cash for tourny so he has my vote. I want a part in the 24/7 stream. I have alot of material I wish to share about broodwar and various tricks.
this server will never exist..so stop investing time and ressources in it..u better be playing on fish rather than iccup which is dead, ruled by BM kids and empty... this thread can be closed..
On July 03 2012 04:10 Warlord_Master wrote: Man there really should be an option for broodwar to automatically translate any korean to english. I don't care if google translate isnt 100% accurate, its better then reading random signs. Obviously there would be option to turn this on or off since people these days are very picky. That Bbulsori.com clanwar thing could have possibly bridged the gap between foreigners and koreans but getting eliminated in ro32 didn't help us prove our worth. A new server would be refreshing but like many people say, it would be difficult to attract people to change servers. If anything I think you should have kept everything secret and then when you are ready, reveal it on teamliquid because I don't really follow broodwar foreigner beef but its easy to see eywa is getting flamed hardcore. either way he puts in cash for tourny so he has my vote. I want a part in the 24/7 stream. I have alot of material I wish to share about broodwar and various tricks.
Referring to the bolded part of your post, he isn't really getting flamed at all. People are just saying their views on this idea of his. If he didn't want to be referred to directly he could have named this something totally different...
This is just an idea of mine. Feel free to take is at is. What keeps most of the community together? These tournaments and most specifically, Casters. There are few and scarce me being one of which. Being a admin on iCCup I meet a lot of players that do not speak English.
I don't know if it work or even possible but I think in order to have a chance you'll first need casters of multiple languages. One for Korean, Russian or Ukrainian (I apologize I'm not sure of languages are different), English and Spanish. I think that would cover the most range of languages that are mainly used in the Brood War scene at the moment. Now with the Chinese OSL we need someone for Chinese as well. But this is where I feel my plan would not work. I just listed 5 Languages. It is moderately difficult to even list 5 consistent Brood War casters. Let me try not including myself: Sayle, Shimmy, Elegant, HackleBeast and uhhhhhhhhhhh..... L_Master (even though I haven't seen awhile).
Also did you notice? They are spoken English. I can speak broken Chinese with a thick American accent. Meaning, it would not be the most pleasurable experience of the international community more specifically the Chinese audience.
This is what I'd do. Scrap the idea for a new server for the time being you need to be more active in order to join communities together. I want you to get in contact of the head (if there is one) of FISH or the Korean scene, Russian and Chinese scene. It appears and very much like ninazerg said it appears your the one who wants to lead the charge which no offense I don' think should be done.
Get all those members together. Get translators too because communication on English terms would make you look too important IMO. Figure out what each "side" wants / requires for them to work. Get an idea going. Multi Scene Clan might work. Incorporate the Casters for each language. Slowly syncing and merging the "scenes" together. Have everyone play on their own servers gather the replays have the casters do the merging for the time being. Don't jump the gun too fast.
I think if your able to get that far I think you've done your part. Then see how the community goes from it there. The casters are what show the other scenes light thus this clan league idea. Have each set of casters not only do their teams but also the other foreign teams.
Here's the check list. ☑ Find Leader(s) of the different "scenes" ☑ Describe how you want to "merge" the scenes or better put interact with the other scenes ☑ List to concerns brought up by other Leader(s) ☑ Figure out to incorporate multi scene Clan League or Tournament and see if possible? ☑ Did it Work? ☑ Shall you make a new independent Brood War website that consists of all languages described? or interact within iCCup? ☑ Gather a group of reliable translaters to help build confidence between the language barriers of players
Hope this helps at all. Again this is VERY HYPOTHETICAL AND I HAVE MY DOUBTS
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. GL guys!
