On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote: Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.
If sc2 is the future that I must accept than I will obediently convert to LoL you know why ? At least it's fun .
Even nada enjoys the game
As this is a commercial, NaDa is literally being paid to say LoL is good. Which isn't to say he's lying, but active pro-gamers have weird incentives. Any KeSPA player who said SC2 was bad a year ago should be taken with a grain of salt. Likewise, all the KeSPA players who say SC2 is good now should also be taken with a grain of salt. There's a company line, and they have to stick to it when it's pro SC2 just as much as they did when it was anti SC2.
On June 05 2012 01:41 gillon wrote: There is so much ignorant hate in this thread, it blows my mind to see it still open.
None of it's new. Haters gonna hate.
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Chat rooms are awful, and attract the worst people. The better part (both in quantity and quality) of SC2 players ignore them. If you want to hate on the SC2 community, the passion for "e-Sports" generally evaporated pretty quick when a game came along that was a threat (LoL), though the irrational exubrience kind of left when the rapid growth did.
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Im sure most are joking.
No, they're all trolls. Even Reddit avoids chat rooms.
On June 05 2012 04:44 fabiano wrote: Most of them are definitely not joking.
The comments are extremely aggressive towards any other game than SC2. I experienced it all while trying to get back into SC2, and there is some especial hatred against LoL. There is almost 0 tolerance to anything else in the streams.. from one of the best gaming communities, SC became one of the most intolerant..
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
This is a community that's, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it's not the fighting game community—it's StarCraft.
I think everyone on this forum should be proud that StarCraft fans are renowned for....not being creepy pervery neckbeards.
On June 05 2012 03:50 TommyP wrote: All im saying is, in people's eyes like this coach and like most of you BW guys, Esports is dying because BW is dying, when in fact in America, Esports is just taking off and will only keep going. SC2 and BW arent the only esports games btw.
On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote: Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.
If sc2 is the future that I must accept than I will obediently convert to LoL you know why ? At least it's fun .
As this is a commercial, NaDa is literally being paid to say LoL is good. Which isn't to say he's lying, but active pro-gamers have weird incentives. Any KeSPA player who said SC2 was bad a year ago should be taken with a grain of salt. Likewise, all the KeSPA players who say SC2 is good now should also be taken with a grain of salt. There's a company line, and they have to stick to it when it's pro SC2 just as much as they did when it was anti SC2.
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Chat rooms are awful, and attract the worst people. The better part (both in quantity and quality) of SC2 players ignore them. If you want to hate on the SC2 community, the passion for "e-Sports" generally evaporated pretty quick when a game came along that was a threat (LoL), though the irrational exubrience kind of left when the rapid growth did.
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Im sure most are joking.
No, they're all trolls. Even Reddit avoids chat rooms.
On June 05 2012 04:44 fabiano wrote: Most of them are definitely not joking.
The comments are extremely aggressive towards any other game than SC2. I experienced it all while trying to get back into SC2, and there is some especial hatred against LoL. There is almost 0 tolerance to anything else in the streams.. from one of the best gaming communities, SC became one of the most intolerant..
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
This is a community that's, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it's not the fighting game community—it's StarCraft.
I think everyone on this forum should be proud that StarCraft fans are renowned for....not being creepy pervery neckbeards.
On June 05 2012 03:50 TommyP wrote: All im saying is, in people's eyes like this coach and like most of you BW guys, Esports is dying because BW is dying, when in fact in America, Esports is just taking off and will only keep going. SC2 and BW arent the only esports games btw.
On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
What's the difference?
Don't know dude but Nada and Kim Carrier found LoL to be addictive both play until the middle of the morning and that's enough to insure me that this game has the next chance to explode and grow big like broodwar did in korea .
E-Sports was never alive. There only was and is Progaming. And why should I direct my hate against the Fighting Gaming community? That is so random man. And btw, I like LoL because it is a fun game. And because some SC2 fans are butthurt over it.
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
I disagree with this. I legitimately enjoy playing LoL. And at one point in my life, I also enjoyed SC2. Perhaps more than BW at one point, but the enjoyment faded over time. But there is an element of tweaking in debate. It's fun to turn the SC2 arguments on their head and use them to defend LoL... if I wasn't a mod. Actually more seriously, there are several arguments I find quite weak, but they apparently are seen as quite strong arguments as they keep getting repeated again and again. One of the best way to demonstrate the weakness of the argument is to turn the same argument back around to defend LoL against SC2.
Oh and LoL hate isn't restricted to chat. It's been expressed quite loudly on TL forums.
On June 04 2012 22:59 Sawamura wrote: On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
What's the difference?
I don't know specifically what he was thinking, but with the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did, but there was something very fascinating about the Korean pro teams is they had actually turned it into a sport that a full decade after release they were still playing the same game, discovering new strategies, and pushing the limits of competitiveness. We were proud of the longevity in one game outlasting RTS after RTS. The next newest game with flashy graphics and new mechanics and new 'improvements' would rise up and come crumbling down because nothing could match BW.
And I think that's why "lol, it's so old" rankles so much. The next newest thing wasn't as high a value as the best of the best game. And even if SC2 is the best RTS of this decade, BW fading kills the old idea. It moves it more to DJ Wheat's "I don't care what game it is" mentality. And I agree in principle. I don't begrudge the success of FPS or Fighter games or MOBA's. But I don't particularly care for competitive gamers that switch from game to game being the best at them all. I care about the gamers of the games I'm interested in. And I care about BW gamers. If BW had lasted 3 decades of stable tournaments and sponsorships, I think that is a more powerful testament to progaming then jumping ship at the newest game every 5 years. And I think that's the idea that will die with BW.
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
I disagree with this. I legitimately enjoy playing LoL. And at one point in my life, I also enjoyed SC2, perhaps more than BW, but it faded over time. But there is an element of tweaking in debate. It's fun to turn the SC2 arguments on their head and use them to defend LoL... if I wasn't a mod.
Oh and LoL hate isn't restricted to chat. It's been expressed quite loudly on TL forums.
On June 04 2012 22:59 Sawamura wrote: On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
What's the difference?
I don't know specifically what he was thinking, but with the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea that was held by many BW fans was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did, but there was something very fascinating about the Korean pro teams is they had actually turned it into a sport that a full decade after release they were still playing the same game, discovering new strategies, and pushing the limits of competitiveness. We were proud of the longevity in one game outlasting RTS after RTS. The next newest game with flashy graphics and new mechanics and new 'improvements' would rise up and come crumbling down because nothing could match BW.
And I think that's why "lol, it's so old" rankles so much. The next newest thing wasn't as high a value as the best of the best game. And even if SC2 is the best RTS of this decade, BW fading kills the old idea. It moves it more to DJ Wheat's "I don't care what game it is" mentality. And I agree in principle. I don't begrudge the success of FPS or Fighter games or MOBA's. But I don't particularly care for competitive gamers that switch from game to game being the best at them all. I care about the gamers of the games I'm interested in. And I care about BW gamers. If BW had lasted 3 decades of stable tournaments and sponsorships, I think that is a more powerful testament to progaming then jumping ship at the newest game every 5 years. And I think that's the idea that will die with BW.
YES. I doubt you could have said that much better.
BW was the first game to, even for a brief moment in time in a small country, transcend the boundaries of a game and really impact a society as a SPORT. I doubt that any game, especially not SCToo, can be such an influence in a society.
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote: Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.
If sc2 is the future that I must accept than I will obediently convert to LoL you know why ? At least it's fun .
As this is a commercial, NaDa is literally being paid to say LoL is good. Which isn't to say he's lying, but active pro-gamers have weird incentives. Any KeSPA player who said SC2 was bad a year ago should be taken with a grain of salt. Likewise, all the KeSPA players who say SC2 is good now should also be taken with a grain of salt. There's a company line, and they have to stick to it when it's pro SC2 just as much as they did when it was anti SC2.
On June 05 2012 01:41 gillon wrote: There is so much ignorant hate in this thread, it blows my mind to see it still open.
None of it's new. Haters gonna hate.
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Chat rooms are awful, and attract the worst people. The better part (both in quantity and quality) of SC2 players ignore them. If you want to hate on the SC2 community, the passion for "e-Sports" generally evaporated pretty quick when a game came along that was a threat (LoL), though the irrational exubrience kind of left when the rapid growth did.
On June 05 2012 03:49 TommyP wrote:
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote: Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.
If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
Im sure most are joking.
No, they're all trolls. Even Reddit avoids chat rooms.
On June 05 2012 04:44 fabiano wrote: Most of them are definitely not joking.
The comments are extremely aggressive towards any other game than SC2. I experienced it all while trying to get back into SC2, and there is some especial hatred against LoL. There is almost 0 tolerance to anything else in the streams.. from one of the best gaming communities, SC became one of the most intolerant..
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
This is a community that's, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it's not the fighting game community—it's StarCraft.
I think everyone on this forum should be proud that StarCraft fans are renowned for....not being creepy pervery neckbeards.
On June 05 2012 05:47 jpak wrote:
On June 05 2012 03:50 TommyP wrote: All im saying is, in people's eyes like this coach and like most of you BW guys, Esports is dying because BW is dying, when in fact in America, Esports is just taking off and will only keep going. SC2 and BW arent the only esports games btw.
On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
What's the difference?
Don't know dude but Nada and Kim Carrier found LoL to be addictive both play until the middle of the morning and that's enough to insure me that this game has the next chance to explode and grow big like broodwar did in korea .
Depends more on how fun it is to watch, I think. There are a lot of games that are really fun to play (Team Fortress 2!) that maybe not so much fun to watch the competitive scene.
All of this can be said about the BW scene as well. BW fans only like LoL because it tweaks SC2 fans. There are douchebags and weirdos in every fandom. Though, I think both BW and SC2 fans can be united in feeling superior to the fighting game community
I disagree with this. I legitimately enjoy playing LoL. And at one point in my life, I also enjoyed SC2. Perhaps more than BW at one point, but the enjoyment faded over time. But there is an element of tweaking in debate. It's fun to turn the SC2 arguments on their head and use them to defend LoL... if I wasn't a mod. Actually more seriously, there are several arguments I find quite weak, but they apparently are seen as quite strong arguments as they keep getting repeated again and again. One of the best way to demonstrate the weakness of the argument is to turn the same argument back around to defend LoL against SC2.
You're right, actually. Obviously people really do watch the game, but there's a lot of tweaking going on. I can be the same when people say BW players are going to be good at SC2 one day (Why should I "give them time" when they have years of BW experience to build off of, etc).
I do find it kind of interesting how most of the BW vs SC2 arguments transfer so neatly into an SC2 vs LoL flamewar, though.
On June 05 2012 08:25 Falling wrote: And I think that's why "lol, it's so old" rankles so much. The next newest thing wasn't as high a value as the best of the best game. And even if SC2 is the best RTS of this decade, BW fading kills the old idea. It moves it more to DJ Wheat's "I don't care what game it is" mentality. And I agree in principle. I don't begrudge the success of FPS or Fighter games or MOBA's. But I don't particularly care for competitive gamers that switch from game to game being the best at them all. I care about the gamers of the games I'm interested in. And I care about BW gamers. If BW had lasted 3 decades of stable tournaments and sponsorships, I think that is a more powerful testament to progaming then jumping ship at the newest game every 5 years. And I think that's the idea that will die with BW.
I'm not sure how true that is, honestly. We're past the point where graphics are notably improving from year to year. BW itself probably won't have a big resurgence (though there'll be a competitive scene for a loooooong time), but it's going to be fairly difficult for a new RTS to supplant SC2 at this point, unless it's substantially better. Even if it's named Starcraft 3 (and with SC2 becoming a revenue stream for Blizz in a way BW never was, I doubt we'll see a Starcraft 3 for a very long time). I think the "Next New Game" cycle might be coming to an end.
Putting aside its qualities as a game, BW had several major issues that were eating away at its playerbase: It didn't work properly on modern operating systems. It requires port-forwarding that's not easy for everyone to set up. It's very difficult to find people of your skill level reliably, especially with smurfs. I think, eventually, someone's going to make a BW-like game that's F2P and really easy to start playing, and that'll be it. I'd play it.
I want a game with BW's gameplay and SC2's quick-play button that doesn't require admin access to my router. That's the game I want. And when someone makes a game that satisfies both the BW fan type and the SC2 fan type, that game will be The One. And Valve and Riot are trying to do it. I hope they do well, because even though I don't care for LoL, I want Blizz to have to sweat a little to keep SC2 a money earner.
The spirit of BW, I think, has the potential to outlast BW itself. I think it can happen, and it's the reason the "KeSPA is switching so I'm done with eSports forever" people irritate me so much, even though I understand where they're coming from and can't logically blame them.
On June 05 2012 04:44 fabiano wrote: Most of them are definitely not joking.
The comments are extremely aggressive towards any other game than SC2. I experienced it all while trying to get back into SC2, and there is some especial hatred against LoL. There is almost 0 tolerance to anything else in the streams.. from one of the best gaming communities, SC became one of the most intolerant.
Funny enough, they use the same arguments they used to defend SC2 from criticism from people who played BW to attack LoL... go figure...
Maybe things changed, don't know. Whenever an event with multiple games stream, we will find out.
I just don't know how you've browse the internet for so long and still takes anonymous-like chat room seriously. Its full of trolls and they love to start up random crap. you can't go for more than 5 min there without someone bringing up broodwar and saying how its the best thing ever
but if I wanted to judge broodwar community off of that, I could've just label all of you elitists jackass with no lifes and tolerance for anything other than broodwar
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
LOL seriously IMO thats a bad post you only going to cause more flame. You put down a double edge sword with that post.
"True" gamer? ^^ If thats your definition of a true gamer then I believe there are no true gamer in this world. Everyone despises one game or another it cant be help. From the post about ps vita and xbox 720 I already hate it and I havent played touched it. No backward compatibility and you probably cant play used game? Wow if none hates that I dont know what to say or if you dont hate that U are a true gamer in ur definition and I salute you (Mostly likely you are deep down despising it too unless you dont play console). Hate is a part of human nature. The only people who I consider True Gamer are people who died from massive game playing, pro-gamers (those gettin paid to play, eat and breath thinking of the game), and few other exemption.
Honestly I wonder where Kespa is taking esport? Are they leaving the korean scene to appeal to the foeigners? Will they push for viewership fees? Are they leaving the non-profit to go to the profit side? Hell MLG is banking millions and it makes me wonder are they following the same path?
Im pretty sure this is what the ex KT coach was thinking.
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
LOL seriously IMO thats a bad post you only going to cause more flame. You put down a double edge sword with that post.
"True" gamer? ^^ If thats your definition of a true gamer then I believe there are no true gamer in this world. Everyone despises one game or another it cant be help. From the post about ps vita and xbox 720 I already hate it and I havent played touched it. No backward compatibility and you probably cant play used game? Wow if none hates that I dont know what to say or if you dont hate that U are a true gamer in ur definition and I salute you (Mostly likely you are deep down despising it too unless you dont play console). Hate is a part of human nature. The only people who I consider True Gamer are people who died from massive game playing, pro-gamers (those gettin paid to play, eat and breath thinking of the game), and few other exemption.
Honestly I wonder where Kespa is taking esport? Are they leaving the korean scene to appeal to the foeigners? Will they push for viewership fees? Are they leaving the non-profit to go to the profit side? Hell MLG is banking millions and it makes me wonder are they following the same path?
Im pretty sure this is what the ex KT coach was thinking.
I'm afraid you don't get it.
He's saying that you can just respect other people's view and do your thing, because arguing about who's game has the largest e-penis doesn't change a thing. If people don't like the vita or the new xbox they just shouldn't buy it. The guys who spend all their time on crying over it on an internet forum are doing it wrong.
He's using "true" gamer to refer to a grown up, respectful and reasonable human being, not as someone without any opinion.
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
I call bullshit. Despising games for destroying ideas and ideals is a valid source of emotion. It's not supposed to put a game above others. It's supposed to give opinions about worrying trends, and through criticism improve them, which is what a lot of the "BW-elitist" crowd are trying to do.
Your "True gamer" monicker makes your argument even worse, and I despise you as a human being for comparing differences in opinion about games to ideas that have caused ethnicide.
I might have been too harsh, in my wording, but you REALLY pissed me off.
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
I call bullshit. Despising games for destroying ideas and ideals is a valid source of emotion. It's not supposed to put a game above others. It's supposed to give opinions about worrying trends, and through criticism improve them, which is what a lot of the "BW-elitist" crowd are trying to do.
Your "True gamer" monicker makes your argument even worse, and I despise you as a human being for comparing differences in opinion about games to ideas that have caused ethnicide.
I might have been too harsh, in my wording, but you REALLY pissed me off.
I agree it's probably not very accurate to say it's equally as bad as them 'ism's. There are a some similarities, but you can't really put them quite on the same level of stupid (they are on entirely different levels of stupid). I'm kind of curious though, how can a game destroy ideas and ideals? Wouldn't it be the people who play it or other entities rather than an inanimate piece of code (maybe you can elaborate a bit on what you mean by a game destroying ideas).
On another off-topic thing - I can't really say I find it particularly interesting or surprising that similar reactions pop up to League of Legends from Starcraft 2 community than from Broodwar community to Starcraft 2. It seems like a rather normal reaction in our current state of society (I would've rather been surprised if it didn't happen to be honest). I'm curious though - do people think the reaction from Starcraft 2 to League of Legends is correct or the reaction from Broodwar to Starcraft 2 is wrong?
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
I call bullshit. Despising games for destroying ideas and ideals is a valid source of emotion. It's not supposed to put a game above others. It's supposed to give opinions about worrying trends, and through criticism improve them, which is what a lot of the "BW-elitist" crowd are trying to do.
Your "True gamer" monicker makes your argument even worse, and I despise you as a human being for comparing differences in opinion about games to ideas that have caused ethnicide.
I might have been too harsh, in my wording, but you REALLY pissed me off.
I agree it's probably not very accurate to say it's equally as bad as them 'ism's. There are a some similarities, but you can't really put them quite on the same level of stupid (they are on entirely different levels of stupid). I'm kind of curious though, how can a game destroy ideas and ideals? Wouldn't it be the people who play it or other entities rather than an inanimate piece of code (maybe you can elaborate a bit on what you mean by a game destroying ideas).
On another off-topic thing - I can't really say I find it particularly interesting or surprising that similar reactions pop up to League of Legends from Starcraft 2 community than from Broodwar community to Starcraft 2. It seems like a rather normal reaction in our current state of society (I would've rather been surprised if it didn't happen to be honest). I'm curious though - do people think the reaction from Starcraft 2 to League of Legends is correct or the reaction from Broodwar to Starcraft 2 is wrong?
A game is more than a piece of code, it's an interactive experience for the gamer. Games can either promote or destroy ideas or ideals, like any art or entertainment medium, and the same arguments that can be used for games can be used for the others. Isn't a movie a roll of film? Isn't a book a few sheets of paper? Don't these things promote ideas and lead to the destruction of others?
On June 05 2012 11:50 JunkkaGom wrote: A true gamer should never despise a game or its fans.
Such act will not put 'your' game above other games.
It is equally as bad as racism, sexism or any other discrimination.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have worded your thoughts incorrectly/lost some in translation.
Since if it were your true point, putting racial discrimination anywhere close to not liking a game or its fans is just preposterous. Like Mustaju said, games are based on or promote certain ideas and we are not required to like any and all of them. For example greediness of a developer should be met with widespread lack of approvement, not thoughtless cheers of love and support. Etc.
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or if you dont hate that U are a true gamer in ur definition and I salute you (Mostly likely you are deep down despising it too unless you dont play console). Hate is a part of human nature. The only people who I consider True Gamer are people who died from massive game playing, pro-gamers (those gettin paid to play, eat and breath thinking of the game), and few other exemption. 
