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Iri
Profile Joined January 2010
150 Posts
June 03 2012 10:26 GMT
#261
SUCH a good interview. Thanks for translating.
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 05:31:27
June 04 2012 05:29 GMT
#262
On June 03 2012 13:53 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2012 13:14 TrainSamurai wrote:
On June 02 2012 03:49 Ribbon wrote:


Switching out WoL for HotS looks like it'll be an improvement though, if only a mild one, so I kind of don't mind.

There wouldn't be an SC2 scene now if the game was unpatched. Terran was ludicrously imbalanced, and the game was designed around tiny maps, so when people moved to bigger maps for macro games, Zerg couldn't scout at all because the overlord moved at 1MPH for like two years. Blizzard's continued work on the game has (for the most part) been an improvement, because otherwise it'd be SCV Marine All-ins every fucking game like it was in GSL 3.


So basically you built a pro scene around a game still in its beta stages. Definitely has nothing to do with the game being named starcraft.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
So? It's not trying to copy BW, it's trying to do its own thing, and it's leaps and bounds ahead of any other non-BW RTS in that regard.

Your assumption. Maybe it has something to do with Sc2 having the name starcraft in it giving rise to these thoughts. You ask us to give sc2 concessions yet you just put down other games without thought.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
When SC2 fans talk about it getting better, they don't mean that it sucks now and they're holding out for a hero. SC2 has gotten better than it was in 2010, significantly, and SC2 fans feel that it will be better still.


Anyday now...

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And even then, I was a lot more interested, excited, and hyped to be watching the last GSL finals in a hotel lobby at 7am on my vacation.

Seriously this part of you changes on a weakly basis. It is inconsistent. On some weeks you say BW has no story, on others you say sc2 not at the level of BW yet, on some weeks you say Lalush explains what sc2 is missing now you say you enjoy sc2 more? Hell you didn't seem to know what moving shot was a few weeks ago.


On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And if you think I'm retarded or whatever, that's cool. But I'm starting to realize that I'd kind of prefer MVP vs Parting to Flash vs Bisu. And I imagine you disagree


All the hype from sc2 was derived from the proscene(not casual scene) in korea. The thing is sc2 doesn't have the elements that made sc2 fun(moving shot etc). Now normally no one would give a shit BUT the name sc2 is killing BW.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And the fact that HotS has the Viper (good unit) and Oracle (fucking great unit) in it isn't going to change your mind. But it makes me kind of excited!


We learn our lesson first time round, don't get overhyped because blizzard isn't what they use to be. Do you even remember the "Do you really want chat channels?" incident? Blizzard is up themselves and have lost the plot completely. Wc3 isn't even balanced and they've been trying for yrs.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
That BW died sucks. That it was replaced with a game you hate also sucks. Go beat up Savior. But SC2 did not kill BW, and certainly not SC2 fans.

As a great man once said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it was named starcraft 2.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
This is actually something more people need to do, and I really wish a lot of the anti-SC2 arguments in the BW forum were being made in the Bnet forums, where they might do some good.

We tried and they don't care. How short is your memory seriously.


Samurai, "If you see a troll post, report and ignore."


but you're the troll, how do you ignore yourself?

I find it hilarious one of the argument against sc2 is because it had starcraft in its name. That's akin to say broodwar is only famous because it was the only game with a budget during the pcbang era

or if broodwar was so great then why is it dying. circular logic ftw
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 05:55:22
June 04 2012 05:54 GMT
#263
On June 04 2012 14:29 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2012 13:53 jpak wrote:
On June 03 2012 13:14 TrainSamurai wrote:
On June 02 2012 03:49 Ribbon wrote:


Switching out WoL for HotS looks like it'll be an improvement though, if only a mild one, so I kind of don't mind.

There wouldn't be an SC2 scene now if the game was unpatched. Terran was ludicrously imbalanced, and the game was designed around tiny maps, so when people moved to bigger maps for macro games, Zerg couldn't scout at all because the overlord moved at 1MPH for like two years. Blizzard's continued work on the game has (for the most part) been an improvement, because otherwise it'd be SCV Marine All-ins every fucking game like it was in GSL 3.


So basically you built a pro scene around a game still in its beta stages. Definitely has nothing to do with the game being named starcraft.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
So? It's not trying to copy BW, it's trying to do its own thing, and it's leaps and bounds ahead of any other non-BW RTS in that regard.

Your assumption. Maybe it has something to do with Sc2 having the name starcraft in it giving rise to these thoughts. You ask us to give sc2 concessions yet you just put down other games without thought.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
When SC2 fans talk about it getting better, they don't mean that it sucks now and they're holding out for a hero. SC2 has gotten better than it was in 2010, significantly, and SC2 fans feel that it will be better still.


Anyday now...

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And even then, I was a lot more interested, excited, and hyped to be watching the last GSL finals in a hotel lobby at 7am on my vacation.

Seriously this part of you changes on a weakly basis. It is inconsistent. On some weeks you say BW has no story, on others you say sc2 not at the level of BW yet, on some weeks you say Lalush explains what sc2 is missing now you say you enjoy sc2 more? Hell you didn't seem to know what moving shot was a few weeks ago.


On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And if you think I'm retarded or whatever, that's cool. But I'm starting to realize that I'd kind of prefer MVP vs Parting to Flash vs Bisu. And I imagine you disagree


All the hype from sc2 was derived from the proscene(not casual scene) in korea. The thing is sc2 doesn't have the elements that made sc2 fun(moving shot etc). Now normally no one would give a shit BUT the name sc2 is killing BW.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
And the fact that HotS has the Viper (good unit) and Oracle (fucking great unit) in it isn't going to change your mind. But it makes me kind of excited!


We learn our lesson first time round, don't get overhyped because blizzard isn't what they use to be. Do you even remember the "Do you really want chat channels?" incident? Blizzard is up themselves and have lost the plot completely. Wc3 isn't even balanced and they've been trying for yrs.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
That BW died sucks. That it was replaced with a game you hate also sucks. Go beat up Savior. But SC2 did not kill BW, and certainly not SC2 fans.

As a great man once said, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it was named starcraft 2.

On June 02 2012 18:44 Ribbon wrote:
This is actually something more people need to do, and I really wish a lot of the anti-SC2 arguments in the BW forum were being made in the Bnet forums, where they might do some good.

We tried and they don't care. How short is your memory seriously.


Samurai, "If you see a troll post, report and ignore."


but you're the troll, how do you ignore yourself?

I find it hilarious one of the argument against sc2 is because it had starcraft in its name. That's akin to say broodwar is only famous because it was the only game with a budget during the pcbang era

or if broodwar was so great then why is it dying. circular logic ftw


That doesn't make any sense. What it means is that SCtoo is being judged against BW because it has the name "StarCraft" in it. Objectively, SCtoo is a great game (all things considered), but it is taking criticism from those familiar with BW and its proscene because it is being judged against one of the best RTS of all time, and would probably be given a bit more credit if it wasn't called StarCraft. Then again, it might not be as popular either.
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Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
June 04 2012 06:02 GMT
#264
Thanks for the translation once again! Good read
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Icky
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark95 Posts
June 04 2012 11:47 GMT
#265
SC2 isn't fun to watch? lol.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 13:34 GMT
#266
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.
#TheOneTrueDong
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 04 2012 13:40 GMT
#267
This one is still going? Jesus, I cannot believe half of you.


Bullshit overload.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 14:01:17
June 04 2012 13:59 GMT
#268
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.


If sc2 is the future that I must accept than I will obediently convert to LoL you know why ? At least it's fun .

Even nada enjoys the game

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5600 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 15:28:45
June 04 2012 15:25 GMT
#269
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.


I don't think any one who really knew the BW scene and understood at least a small part of the strategic depth of the game can prefer sc2 to bw. The pros play for a living. They want whatever they can get out of the game before it is replaced by the next one that is backed up by a large enough corporation. No one would have the guts to admit that though, except maybe for Idra... Only people like Coach Jung Soo Yeong, who are not dependent on the approval of the "e-sports" mob can say what they really think. It will be interesting to see what STX Soul's coach will have to say about SC2 now, since it has become the life line of his team in Proleague - I bet he won't say, as he did before, that the only good thing about the game was its name.

You could call us elitists all you want, but you have to understand that what we have now is mob rule. Because of hype and commercialisation, a real sport and ultimately an important part of (at least) the Korean culture is on the verge of destruction and from my perspective, sc2 only lives of the ignorance of its fans who don't question what they are being spoon-fed.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 15:51:27
June 04 2012 15:28 GMT
#270
Great article! I would have been a bit scared if I had to do an interview with Jung Soo-yeong. I cant remember him smiling once during PL.

Once again my favourite old player, Goodfriend gets no love :c I would have put him on instead of sync. Yea sync transfered to KTF ealrier than Goodfriend, but GF allways preformed better than sync in teamleagues for KTF.
-,-
empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
June 04 2012 15:48 GMT
#271
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.


Better half elitists than 95% incompetent scrubs.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
June 04 2012 16:41 GMT
#272
There is so much ignorant hate in this thread, it blows my mind to see it still open.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 17:23:07
June 04 2012 17:21 GMT
#273
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.

And i don't love playing Sc2. and i don't love watching SC2 now you tell me why am a elitist because i prefer something that might be older but in my eyes is better?
just because it is new i have 2 jump on it and like it? all this elitist blablalba so fucking annoying

oh and while we are at this elitist shit. the SC2 community is one big elitist :D only cares about SC2 and flames everything else into the ground.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
June 04 2012 17:29 GMT
#274
Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.

If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 18:48 GMT
#275
On June 05 2012 02:21 rasers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.

And i don't love playing Sc2. and i don't love watching SC2 now you tell me why am a elitist because i prefer something that might be older but in my eyes is better?
just because it is new i have 2 jump on it and like it? all this elitist blablalba so fucking annoying

oh and while we are at this elitist shit. the SC2 community is one big elitist :D only cares about SC2 and flames everything else into the ground.


As a member of the Sc2 community I beg to differ. I enjoy watching Proleague and not only for Sc2. I love watching Bw as well and love the BW players as well.
#TheOneTrueDong
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 18:49 GMT
#276
On June 05 2012 02:29 fabiano wrote:
Yea, as far as elitism goes, SC2 community is the very worst.

If you want proof, just look at TL IRC chat during events of which SC2 isn't the only game played. Or stream chat during the same events. If they show 5 mins of another game (say Halo) the SC2 vocals go crazy with shit like "WHERE IS MY SC2?" or "WHAT IS THIS SHIT HALO CRAP??? WHERE IS IDRA"


Im sure most are joking.
#TheOneTrueDong
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
June 04 2012 18:50 GMT
#277
All im saying is, in people's eyes like this coach and like most of you BW guys, Esports is dying because BW is dying, when in fact in America, Esports is just taking off and will only keep going. SC2 and BW arent the only esports games btw.
#TheOneTrueDong
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 04 2012 19:10 GMT
#278
On June 04 2012 22:34 TommyP wrote:
Reading all these comments I feel that half of you guys are BW elitists living in the past and never wanting Brood War to end. I love playing SC2 and i love watching SC2 and thats all i care about.


And that's okay for different people to have different opinions.

If you don't like reading these posts, then go somewhere else. Did you honestly expect pro-SC2 opinions in this forum? There's no need for you to defend the honor of the SC2 scene here and tell us we are all ignorant nostalgiafags, it just makes everyone roll their eyes and creates more animosity towards SC2.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
June 04 2012 19:44 GMT
#279
Most of them are definitely not joking.

The comments are extremely aggressive towards any other game than SC2. I experienced it all while trying to get back into SC2, and there is some especial hatred against LoL. There is almost 0 tolerance to anything else in the streams.. from one of the best gaming communities, SC became one of the most intolerant.

Funny enough, they use the same arguments they used to defend SC2 from criticism from people who played BW to attack LoL... go figure...

Maybe things changed, don't know. Whenever an event with multiple games stream, we will find out.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 04 2012 20:47 GMT
#280
On June 05 2012 03:50 TommyP wrote:
All im saying is, in people's eyes like this coach and like most of you BW guys, Esports is dying because BW is dying, when in fact in America, Esports is just taking off and will only keep going. SC2 and BW arent the only esports games btw.


On the contrary, E-Sports is dead. The "growth" that you see around you is for competitive gaming.
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