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Calis5
26 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:04 Sawamura wrote: Well they are pretty smart since they can spend their hard earn money on other things beside sc2 . So in my book they are pretty wise. But I thought Koreans had inherently better taste in games? How can they go from something so perfect like brood war to a dumbed down moba? | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:02 Calis5 wrote: So what you two are saying is, that no matter what game, it only becomes successful if its free? What does that say about Korea? It means Korea adopted the Free to Play model earlier than the west (they came up with it after all), and have done a well enough job that now that many great games are free of charge. Not sure what you're trying to imply. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:02 Calis5 wrote: So what you two are saying is, that no matter what game, it only becomes successful if its free? What does that say about Korea? Barring Blizzard games (because of BW), YES!!! What does it say about Korea? If the game is not free-to-play, it better be REALLY DAMN good. It doesn't mean that Koreans are not willing to pay. Just look at Diablo 3, for instance, and see how much hype that got prior to opening day and how many people still play it in PC Bangs. But overall, that mentality of paying $60 for a new game every year like the Call of Duty franchise doesn't really fly in Korea. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:05 Calis5 wrote: But I thought Koreans had inherently better taste in games? How can they go from something so perfect like brood war to a dumbed down moba? Nope broodwar has been losing popularity already even before sc2 and LoL pop up into the market to MMO games .Which is kind of reasonable since MMO are much more sociable although the grinding and craziness that ensue when you get too addicted to the games have force some kids to spend lot of $$$ on in game items. | ||
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Calis5
26 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:07 wassbix wrote: It means Korea adopted the Free to Play model earlier than the west (they came up with it after all), and have done a well enough job that now that many great games are free of charge. Not sure what you're trying to imply. Brood war only got popular because it was free, not becuase it was full of depth and life changing like everyone on here would like to believe. And now LoL is the next new thing that is free to play and will soon supplant brood war. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:10 Calis5 wrote: Brood war only got popular because it was free, not becuase it was full of depth and life changing like everyone on here would like to believe. And now LoL is the next new thing that is free to play and will soon supplant brood war. but BW wasn't originally free. You had to purchase a CD with a CD-Key in order to play on the Bnet Ladder back then. | ||
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Calis5
26 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:13 jpak wrote: but BW wasn't originally free. You had to purchase a CD with a CD-Key in order to play on the Bnet Ladder back then. Yes, 'originally' but do you know how easy it was to get around that? Same with WC3 in china, why do you think blizzard created this restrictive bnet 2.0 crap in the first place? | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:16 Calis5 wrote: Yes, 'originally' but do you know how easy it was to get around that? Same with WC3 in china, why do you think blizzard created this restrictive bnet 2.0 crap in the first place? 4.5 million copies were sold in Korea anyway, with 9.5 million copies sold worldwide. And yes, I agree that Bnet 0.2 is crap. | ||
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
... and this is how you should feel about sc2, both cases are similar in a lot of ways. who would watch sports if sports were as easy to learn as a moba and an -almost tool-assisted- rts like sc2? I enjoy watching sc2 more than i enjoy watching LoL though. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
asians aren't willing to pay for video games, or software in general. | ||
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smekz
Portugal503 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:16 iky43210 wrote: f2p is going to be the future of global gaming. Either adapt to the global economy or be prepare to be phased out asians aren't willing to pay for video games, or software in general. so asians dont play wow or diablo3? seems weird.. makes me kinda sad bw fanatics saying lol is better to watch than sc2. i started watching bw because whenever i saw pros playing i was like "how can he do that, how is that even possible?!" and i would just drool watching them play. for me watching things like jangbi storms or stork's shuttle micro is like watching lebron/kobe slam dunkin' or ronaldo/messi dribbling through a bunch of players. i think i will never have that feeling again, at least not as epic but in sc2 you can have some nice things like timings and micro showdowns. i like to watch lol but it's not as exciting as watching sc2. that said if i lived in korea i'd watch both i don't see any reason to have to choose just one.. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
This community has definitively seen better days than recently. | ||
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Hundisilm
Estonia99 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:28 mustaju wrote: If games change the way people think about things, they are responsible for the promotion of the idea and the destruction of the idea they replaced. As Falling eloquently put, the idea that a video game could survive the Next Big Title was destroyed with the events that followed SC2. I do not agree at all that games stimulate people less or change their behaviour less than movies or books, and I think that the degree that games influence peoples way of thinking will even increase as time advances. The degree that SC2 or BW did this specifically can and will be argued about, but I think that one can justifiedly despise SC2 for some of it's design choices. I think you can really destroy an idea only by limiting it's exposure. I also didn't mean to say that games as a medium for spreading ideas are necessarily worse than books or movies (games are more difficult to execute, but have a lot higher potential in that regard), but rather that the purpose of BW and SC2 is not really on the "idea" side (it's a platform for enterntainment not a statement of some sort). Books and movies are more often used to present ideas, but that's mostly because it's generally easier to do it with them and they are somewhat more limited as mediums. It seems to me that despising a game is somewhat similar to despising hammers because someone bludgeoned someone else to death with one. I also think despise is a rather strong word - "dislike" is pretty much how far I'd let a person go while still being rational. But it's an adjective so it might mean something different to you.  | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On June 07 2012 03:28 RavenLoud wrote: I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to John's post...then again maybe not that much. This community has definitively seen better days than recently. yeah because it was a post from John we must all agree with him and he is right. sure sure. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:52 rasers wrote: yeah because it was a post from John we must all agree with him and he is right. sure sure. ... I don't even know who he is. On June 07 2012 03:28 RavenLoud wrote: I'm pretty surprised at the reaction to John's post...then again maybe not that much. This community has definitively seen better days than recently. How do you know? You signed up here in 2011. | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On June 07 2012 07:36 AsymptoticClimax wrote: I'm genuinely entertained watching the inevitable end of BW and its fans boycotting sc2 while I sit back and enjoy GSL, Proleague and a bit of OSL when it becomes pure godly sc2. And you talk about people being pathetic in the OGN thread ) the irony. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On June 07 2012 07:36 AsymptoticClimax wrote: I'm genuinely entertained watching the inevitable end of BW and its fans boycotting sc2 while I sit back and enjoy GSL, Proleague and a bit of OSL when it becomes pure godly sc2. I feel as if there is quite a bit of truth in this statement. | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
On June 07 2012 07:40 rasers wrote: And you talk about people being pathetic in the OGN thread ) the irony.Well yeah, but for being subjective without any conclusive cases. anyhow I need to stop reading through these BW vs SC2 threads and arguments because they're driving me mad! T_T | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
It felt like terran tears ran sweeter when slayed at the hands of zerg or protoss. That, I can completely agree on. TvT is like fighting imba with imba. | ||
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