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On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something.
For the 100th time, you cannot compare Football and Starcraft. The current kid generation plays on Consols with Modern Warfare 3, FF 14 or some MMO on pc.
Football is always the same, the rules changes but the real life graphics, physics and how the ball rolls not ( as far as i know ). If theres no new blood flowing it, theres no future of that sport. If Football would slowly go out of mainstream, soon there would be no sponsors for it. If everyone would still play BW not only in Korea but In EU / US then you could compare the two. But like this, even in Korea the popularity of BW was falling down, and in the west there is maximum 10.000 people still following it, and thats a very positive estimate.
I love BW but these silly comments sounds just as stupid as a die hard Sc2 fan says that give time and the game becomes herp derply good, or the current BW pros will change the game.
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On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something.
SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years.
I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it.
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On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:
SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years.
I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it.
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people.
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star2 is exactly shiny graphics, a BIG NAME, and an accessible UI and mechanics *read, FOR DUMMIES*
everything that happened has happened for money, unlike the birth of BW esports scene, star2 was born to be its sucessor a giant of esports, because blizzard wanted the money from the esports scene ( just like it has shown in the last years of STAR2 tournament scene ), they know that games that live longer profit more,they planned to kill BW since the beginning.
in the end, it is like Freddie Mercury once said, 'nothing really matters, anyone can see"
do not bond yourself to anything too much, it is gonna hurt when they cut it from you
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On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something. SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years. I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it.
Idk man, around 7 of my friends got involved with SC2 once Blizzard announced the price money for the tournament. And they were playing the game religiously every day. Then as time went on, they stopped caring for the game as League of Legend offered so much more than Sc2 in term of the enjoyment factor. With them switching to play LoL and completely leaving SC2 despondent, I can safely say that Sc2 is indeed a fad. And at that time, they were swooned by one element over the other ones and that is the visual aspect of the game in which btw I found to be extreme distasteful since I personally cannot make up to what they described as "explosions everywhere, its like watching Transformers! zomg!".
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On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something. SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years. I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it.
That like say the COD series got better over time, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Many agree that COD 4 was the best in the series, yet you see far more sales for the increasingly pathetic subsequent games.
If SC2 was named something without starcraft, i doubt people would even consider leaving brood war.
Shiny graphics also tends to attract people, it's a marketing scheme; a good game doesn't require good graphics. 1.6 > source anyday in this millennium for example.
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On May 06 2012 04:18 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something. SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years. I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it. That like say the COD series got better over time, which is absolutely ridiculous. Many agree that COD 4 was the best in the series, yet you see far more sales for the increasingly pathetic subsequent games. If SC2 was named something without starcraft, i doubt people would even consider leaving brood war. Shiny graphics also tends to attract people, it's a marketing scheme; a good game doesn't require good graphics. 1.6 > source anyday in this millennium for example.
I dont know, I cannot find Dota anywhere in LoL's name, yet it is somehow popular, i bet its LoL's graphics, oh wait.
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On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people.
I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way.
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On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:
SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years.
No, its a shiny graphics-laden game with a well-known name for the purpose of franchising. There's not all that much money in sc2 especially when you realize that FANS made the BW scene with no groundwork, and from scratch. Even at its height (which has in fact passed), sc2 had a fraction of the pros/money/publicity that BW did at its height. LoL pretty much already took over the MOBA scene and I expect sc2 to fade in and out of "heights" in coordination with its expansions beinmg released.
This is no different than quake fans vs Halo/COD era players. Its pointless and should just be dropped. BW hardcores amd sc2 hardcores will never see eye-to-eye.
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On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way.
i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard).
The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8.
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On May 06 2012 04:18 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something. SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years. I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it. That like say the COD series got better over time, which is absolutely ridiculous. Many agree that COD 4 was the best in the series, yet you see far more sales for the increasingly pathetic subsequent games. If SC2 was named something without starcraft, i doubt people would even consider leaving brood war. Shiny graphics also tends to attract people, it's a marketing scheme; a good game doesn't require good graphics. 1.6 > source anyday in this millennium for example.
I am kind of divided about 1.6 being greater than source any day most 1.6 players argue that the hitboxes are just too big and the game is just to shiny but I think as a 1.6 player who tried out source first hand it was a great change from old gritty 1.6 . Some elements in 1.6 felt really ridiculous such as wall banging to kill some one and the way the grenade works in 1.6 was pretty weird . I have no doubt 1.6 is great because many players who have played it love it but I guess the hatred does come to the cs source community because not many 1.6 players want to change for a newer game .
There is some arguments for example that says that 1.6 players were just too afraid to change to source because they will lose their ability to play the game like they do in 1.6 which is kind of true . In the end however this divided the scene and has broken the counter strike community . Cs 1.6 players and source player never did see eye to eye until cgs was brought in to the picture and unfortunately it died so fast . So many dreams shattered too..... when it just disappeared the next day .
Even now cs go 1.6 professional like lurpis is bashing cs go to bits saying the game "sucks because it doesn't work like 1.6 " however fnatic.carn and ksharp looks at cs go really positive . Who to go with when players themselves are having different opinion about the new game . In my opinion if valve and friends nail everything down in cs go properly we have a great chance of reviving good fps shooters back again and I mean good fps shooters which are good to play for competition and skills .
Quake fan's don't think highly of counter strike fans also and most of them think cs is just too noob friendly and here we go again . Carmac once said in the interview that the scene will be hardcore as it wants depending on the fan's wanting it to be that way . But I don't think so I can't really agree with him when the game system itself and the way it works is the one which dictates whether the game will be difficult or not and that is another thing . I do agree that quake requires much more reflex,thinking skills and ability to manipulate your opponent movement is something to be awe.
I am not saying you are wrong that cs 1.6 > source but it will really differ depending on what kind of player who is actually playing the game will give his opinion about . If it's fans like this who keep saying " Cs 1.6 FOR life " you can bet he is going to hate source without any hesitation . If the fan just like both games because it's counter strike than taking sides will not be a issue in the first place and I am most likely a fan of both games .
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On May 06 2012 04:36 Darksoldierr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:18 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 03:55 densha wrote:On May 06 2012 01:03 shadymmj wrote:
i have zero respect for "gamer nerds" and don't consider myself one; just someone who likes to watch a funny little phenomenon in korea. it's great entertainment and also a very complex game that happens to have a big pro scene. it's like the football of video games, and i also love watching football (english, not american).
see, the thing is that football does not get replaced with football 2, with new offside rules, 12 players to a team and an oddly shaped ball. that is the meaning of a sport. the fundamental rules stay the same. neither are sports primarily created to be watched. they are created to be played.
those are the rules that sc2 broke and those are the reasons that will eventually cause its downfall. im willing to bet that if sc2 did not have starcraft in it, it'd probably sell less than half the copies. gamer nerds get very excited over new games made by big names, shiny graphics, and are constantly showing off their colourful keyboards. they spend a lot of time on many different games. for that reason they will keep hopping on whatever new bandwagon that passes by, and no amount of expansions will halt the advancement of new, shinier bandwagons.
it's sad that the world can no longer appreciate a classic thing. BW had the potential to become immortal like chess, but maybe blizzard and kespa failed to do something about it. while it lasted, BW was not a "esport" like they say, but a REAL sport unique to korea that had its own culture.
oh well. instead of partaking in senseless stupidity like "esports" *cough marketing machines*, id rather drive to the movies, read a book or something. SC2 is more than shiny graphics and a big name. Don't forget that there is a TON of money involved right now and that's something that is rather unprecedented. Maybe my eSports history is lacking, but SC2 seems unique in the amount of tournaments it has spawned, the amount of prize money involved, and the amount of spectators watching (at least in the RTS genre for the last point). It just seems much bigger than some new shiny game when you look at the competitive culture that has grown around it in just two years. I mourn the loss of BW too and am not trying to say you have to enjoy SC2, but I think it's more and more difficult to say SC2 is a passing fad or is only popular because of it's graphics (which aren't even that good compared to other modern games) when looking at the amount of people, organizations, and just plain money involved with it. That like say the COD series got better over time, which is absolutely ridiculous. Many agree that COD 4 was the best in the series, yet you see far more sales for the increasingly pathetic subsequent games. If SC2 was named something without starcraft, i doubt people would even consider leaving brood war. Shiny graphics also tends to attract people, it's a marketing scheme; a good game doesn't require good graphics. 1.6 > source anyday in this millennium for example. I dont know, I cannot find Dota anywhere in LoL's name, yet it is somehow popular, i bet its LoL's graphics, oh wait.
1: Lol is free, dota requires purchase of WC3 (unless Garena)
2: The original dota ran on the WC3 engine, not optimized for this type of game (although imo, it is enough)
3. People move for graphics too, but the majority of the pro-scene in dota (particularly in china and ukraine, where the top players are) didn't move until Dota 2 came out. Coincidence?
As Midas said: People these days just want to play the easiest game where you have to do the least amount of work.
Midas couldn't believe how easy SC2 was, and i'm sure Lol (in comparison to Dota) is not different.
I have not played Lol, but i have played Hon and Dota 2, and i can say that Dota1 is probably the best out of the 4.
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On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8.
failed is not the right term here, some of them just past their prime due to ages, u can't say that boxer and nada failed in BW, come on...
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On May 06 2012 06:10 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8. failed is not the right term here, some of them just past their prime due to ages, u can't say that boxer and nada failed in BW, come on...
Well it is obvious that their plays can definitely not hang with the newcomers anymore. BoxeR only got send out once in ProLeague that year against Killer and NaDa played twice vs a Zerg player and TurN while as other players from their perspective teams got fielded with much higher frequency.
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On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8.
That's absurd. There may not be as much money in salaries but there is a lot of money in the prize pool of the GSL, more than in OSL/MSL. It's ridiculous to think that players that came from the same culture of esports wouldn't train as hard with those incentives.
And really, those SC2 players may have been "failed" BW pros but they wouldn't even have been on a team if they didn't show the work ethic expected of a licensed pro-gamer.
On May 06 2012 04:51 sCCrooked wrote:BW hardcores amd sc2 hardcores will never see eye-to-eye.
I don't think you can speak for every hardcore BW fan. I'm sure most of them think that BW is a superior sport but many do not completely look down on SC2.
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On May 06 2012 06:42 Bijan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8. That's absurd. There may not be as much money in salaries but there is a lot of money in the prize pool of the GSL, more than in OSL/MSL. It's ridiculous to think that players that came from the same culture of esports wouldn't train as hard with those incentives. And really, those SC2 players may have been "failed" BW pros but they wouldn't even have been on a team if they didn't show the work ethic expected of a licensed pro-gamer. Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 04:51 sCCrooked wrote:BW hardcores amd sc2 hardcores will never see eye-to-eye. I'm sure most of them think that BW is a superior sport but many do not completely look down on SC2.
? You can't think X is superior without thinking Y is inferior
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On May 06 2012 07:00 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 06:42 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8. That's absurd. There may not be as much money in salaries but there is a lot of money in the prize pool of the GSL, more than in OSL/MSL. It's ridiculous to think that players that came from the same culture of esports wouldn't train as hard with those incentives. And really, those SC2 players may have been "failed" BW pros but they wouldn't even have been on a team if they didn't show the work ethic expected of a licensed pro-gamer. On May 06 2012 04:51 sCCrooked wrote:BW hardcores amd sc2 hardcores will never see eye-to-eye. I'm sure most of them think that BW is a superior sport but many do not completely look down on SC2. ? You can't think X is superior without thinking Y is inferior
Clearly not. I merely meant that there are plenty of BW fans who still gain enjoyment from watching SC2. sCCrooked makes it sound like a true BW fan has to hate SC2 and I know that is not the case for everyone.
For example, I consider myself a hardcore SC2 fan, but I do watch a bit of BW streams and Korean tournaments when I have the time. I especially like to look up old matches of the heroes of BW history. I consider BW to be a superior game but I still love SC2.
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On May 06 2012 07:59 Bijan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:00 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On May 06 2012 06:42 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8. That's absurd. There may not be as much money in salaries but there is a lot of money in the prize pool of the GSL, more than in OSL/MSL. It's ridiculous to think that players that came from the same culture of esports wouldn't train as hard with those incentives. And really, those SC2 players may have been "failed" BW pros but they wouldn't even have been on a team if they didn't show the work ethic expected of a licensed pro-gamer. On May 06 2012 04:51 sCCrooked wrote:BW hardcores amd sc2 hardcores will never see eye-to-eye. I'm sure most of them think that BW is a superior sport but many do not completely look down on SC2. ? You can't think X is superior without thinking Y is inferior Clearly not. I merely meant that there are plenty of BW fans who still gain enjoyment from watching SC2. sCCrooked makes it sound like a true BW fan has to hate SC2 and I know that is not the case for everyone. For example, I consider myself a hardcore SC2 fan, but I do watch a bit of BW streams and Korean tournaments when I have the time. I especially like to look up old matches of the heroes of BW history. I consider BW to be a superior game but I still love SC2.
Well it is understandable that for a Sc2 fans to adore the content of BW as much it is empathetic for a BW fan to absolutely despise SC2. I myself find 'hate' to have too much of might attached to it, I simply don't care about anything Sc2 related. But, however if SC2 end up being the cause to diminish my beloved hobby, then I will, be all means, conscript myself to that legion.
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On May 06 2012 06:10 Garmer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 05:16 Release wrote:On May 06 2012 04:44 Bijan wrote:On May 06 2012 04:07 Taku wrote:
Not unprecedented, Boxer and the others were the trailblazers in setting up an established scene with BW, and did it way more efficiently through sweat and blood rather than just having suits throw money at people. I think the Koreans playing SC2 work just as hard as their BW counterparts. Most of them came from the BW scene anyway and run their practice houses in the same way. i doubt it. The SC2 from the BW scene are just the people who failed at the BW scene (probably for not trying as hard). The best person right now from BW is MVP, whose greatest accomplishment in recent time was the hanadaetoo ro8. failed is not the right term here, some of them just past their prime due to ages, u can't say that boxer and nada failed in BW, come on...
Point is code S player list is like looking at OSL prelims list for a lot of us.
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